Eminem: Disgusting Rapper or an Artist?

[eleanor]

[color=darkslateblue] Hm.

Well, I actually like his songs for their beats and such, I usually never listen to the lyrics of any song. Well, sometimes I do and I still like the way he raps, because I'm partial to rap. Most of them have cool beats/melodies/etc., and Eminem has a way of words, I guess.

Well, most of his big hits are dumb considering all they do is make fun of people and stuff, but the songs on his CD are cool. And I really don't think he gives a **** about what the trends are and he doesn't care if he's following them or not. He just says whatever he wants to and is basically saying F-you if you criticize him for it.

I still like him, though. :) [/color]

[Shredaa]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Well Enimems good. Some of his songs, indeed, are crazy -LoL- and I am ok listening to his songs any where![/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]He is kind of crazy in his songs though. ^_^[/COLOR]

[Doc]

[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=dimgray]I'm not a big fan of rap, but I do listen to Eminem occastionally *sp*, his songs are his views, he hates his mother, that's why hey writes things about her, but that was what he was feeling at the time. He doesn't wish to rape her, but that is just what he felt would do the most damage at the time.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=#696969]As for the homosexual problems he has, in a fairly recent interview played on MTV, he discussed this issue. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that when he grew up, words that are considered homosexual insults now, were words you used at the time to insult someone, and that had stuck with him. He doesn't mean it as in the homosexual people, but as an insult towards someone he was mad at, at that time.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=#696969]Now a days, he has mellowed down, with more political and truthful songs. Take "Mosh", it is a political song, nothing bad towards anyone but Bush, then take "Lose your self", it is meant to be humerous, but also truthful.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=#696969]I respect everyone on these boards views, but I feel, earlier, he was sort of off base, but now he is turning more into an artist, than just a slander spewing pig, which is what many people feel[/color][/size][/font]

[Guest Karasu]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Personally I hate rap but he is one of the only artist i like... it isn't all dealing crack and screwing whores... but that's just my opinion [/COLOR]

[Her Black Wings]

[size=1]I'm with epitome on this, Eminem is a wonderful music artist. There's nothing disgusting about how he gets his feelings out, because thats pretty much what he's doing, telling the truth as he sees it.

Normally I only listen to Death metal and such, but eminem just reaches out and grabs you. For example 'Crazy in Love,' one of his new songs is just wonderful, I'm assuming its about kim, but it shows how much of a lyrical genius he is. Everything with him just flows together.[/size]

[conpiracymonki]

[size=1]To DeathBug:

When you heard his album tracks, did you listen to them and take them for what they were or just decide to put your own lil spin on them? You know.. just pick at the twisted humour that obviously you didn't appreciate.[b]

And that Remember Me verse wasn't Eminem ;) [/size][/b]

[DeathBug]

[QUOTE=AJeh][size=1]To DeathBug:

When you heard his album tracks, did you listen to them and take them for what they were or just decide to put your own lil spin on them? You know.. just pick at the twisted humour that obviously you didn't appreciate.[b]

And that Remember Me verse wasn't Eminem ;) [/size][/b][/QUOTE]

I posted the lyrics with only one piece of commentary: that they were garbage.

[MoonlitStairway]

[COLOR=Navy][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]Hmm.. Eminem's validity of talent and controversial skill in culture today is pretty interesting in my opinion. While I am a HEAVY disliker of today's Rap culture, for the majority of it actually can be sadly labeled as "pimpin' " or whatever it is they wish to call running from the cops while whoring around attractive women; I find Eminem to be a powerful exception.

Granted, his songs can tend to go too far, even for jokes, as ALL PEOPLE CAN. However, like any other person, he has his moments of validity and power. The songs " Lose Yourself", "Mosh", "Stan", and "Cleaning out my closet" ( if I got the title right ) are examples of this.

Deathbug, while I respect your opinion, I feel you seem to be looking at this in a one sided manner. We all tend to this, but trust me, not a good thing. Before you begin hammering down upon one side, maybe you should check the other carefully to see its own points.

For example, you asked "Tell me, then, what great purpose is served by singing about it?" This is a rather simple answer here my friend. One of the dating stereotypes is the badboy, an image on which a heavy amount of trends are built upon. While the image itself can tend to be despicable, it sells to people. Now that may seem irrelevant, so I'll say another:

All musical artists have an image they wish to keep up, do they not? That image is what makes them money. Eminem's image is an in-your-face controversy. The reason he uses this is to not just get his occassional point across, but to sell. By constantly sending out slurs and other ridiculuous topics, the masses are naturally attracted to him, buying his albums to find the true spin on his ways. Constantly, this is done.

Psychologically, when a child looks at something he is forbidden to have, a slight sense of rebelliousness comes along their mind. Naturally they either decide to follow orders, or simply go with the gut instinct of saying " ooo, what does this button do? "

When put to the extreme level that Eminem sends out, we send back the same reaction at a heightened level, " Woh.. allright, I have to see this. "

Remember; just because you find it particularly vulgar, etc, does not mean that others will always find it in the same viewpoint. Get the idea, Deathbug?

Remember, one of the beauties of art, poetry, and ESPECIALLY RAP, is that controversy can run thick in the blood, lacing the words with its effects. Being a poet myself, I have a personal understanding to this.

For those of you who say "I don't think he is an artist because in my eyes he has no talent.....he is a rapper", I sadly laugh at you. That is one of the most one-sided arguements in existance. Now naturally, this is your opinion, and for that, I will go no further than stating a counter arguement to such a belief.

Look... I believe that generally, rap as a whole can tend to go right off the edge of tasteful. HOWEVER, like anyone else in their own field, it-requires-talent. For example, often, Soccer is looked at as a crappy sport. Yet, the players within the game require a certain degree of running speed, handling upon the ball, and more in order to effectively play the game. Just as a football player can often rely upon a certain degree of resilience to hold off from injuries long enough to score a tackle or make the touchdown.

Pop artists such as N'Sync, while I despise them for one of the cheesiest marketed images ever, still have talent in THEIR FIELD.

So, to you especially Demented5051; be careful how you word your points, for the idea you presented was heavily flawed.

Back to you one more time, Deathbug. I apologize if you feel that I'm backing you into a corner, but I'm trying to get a point across.

On the topic of Eminem being garbage and such, one must remember that times change and so does the interpretation of art and talent. While a person does not have to enjoy the change or the result thereof, it is undeniable, that in some way, the one thing they do not like, someone else could. I do not like rap artists like Fat Joe, however, others do, because they are partial to his ways, as opposed to my own enjoyment of Progressive Rock's Coheed and Cambria.

So, I hope that I wasn't merely droning on, and maybe this is enlightening.

Ja-ne.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR]

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='MoonlitStairway][COLOR=Navy][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]On the topic of Eminem being garbage and such, one must remember that times change and so does the interpretation of art and talent. While a person does not have to enjoy the change or the result thereof, it is undeniable, that in some way, the one thing they do not like, someone else could.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]Judging by what passes for art, poetry and literature these days, I'd have to say that Eminem's pathetic works do fit the definition of art.

...along with crucifixes in jars of urine, free verse poetry and authors who think that, just because they're famous, grammar no longer matters.[/color]

[Miryoku]

All i see him as is white trash who brainwashed Americas teenagers. I also don't se how rapping is a talent. so what he talks fast to music in an annoying voice, i can do that i just don,t want to look like a retard so i don't. Is rap realy music? What ever happend to melodys are they "out of style"? I'm a teen but i some times wish i lived about 20 years ago back when most "music" was actualy music.

[Moi]

I'd call eminem a disgusting rapper. He sings filthy songs and I definitely don't see how he could be deemed an artist. He can rhyme, but who can't? He might have rapping skills, but he's no artist. He's filthy, but funny! Whee!

[Onikage]

[quote name='Moi']I'd call eminem a disgusting rapper. He sings filthy songs and I definitely don't see how he could be deemed an artist. He can rhyme, but who can't? He might have rapping skills, but he's no artist. He's filthy, but funny! Whee![/quote]

disgusting rapper?? Filthy songs?? wow and this is coming from a person who's a goth? or does he pretend to be one?? I mean I know some people who respects eminem for his artistic work, if you can't see that, then I gues its your lost...

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Onikage']disgusting rapper?? Filthy songs?? wow and this is coming from a person who's a goth? or does he pretend to be one?? I mean I know some people who respects eminem for his artistic work, if you can't see that, then I gues its your lost...[/quote]

[color=green]People respect other "artists" for garbage they produce. Just because people respect someone, doesn't mean that person is [i]worthy[/i] of respect.[/color]

[Onikage]

[quote name='Boba Fett][color=green]People respect other "artists" for garbage they produce. Just because people respect someone, doesn't mean that person is [i]worthy[/i'] of respect.[/color][/quote]

garabge? his songs is certainly not garbage take his song stan for example, that's some deep ***** their, but hey its your opinion, some hate him for his lyrics, and some respect him for it, and I for one respects his lyrics, just because of what he have been through and what he had to do to GAIN THAT RESPECT...

[MoonlitStairway]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]All in all, it's an iffy topic.... as I displayed earlier; though I may not like Eminem too greatly for the majority of his material, I do believe that a few songs here and there do deserve praise ( Stan, Lose Yourself, etc. ) But, that is simply my opinion.

Another thing... everyone has good and bad, and though Eminem's "bad side" clearly is of malcontent and annoyance along with immature statements, his good side deserves respect.

Maybe some of us can consider that, maybe not.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Lt.Zero]

Eminem is an artist NO DOUBT! I don't see why people hear a little bit of his music, and judge him on that. The really bad thing is that people judge him by his more vulgar songs, so they don't ever hear any of his songs that have some actual meaning.

[KatanaViolet]

I don't know if any of you know this or not. But I am not a fan of rap. I like punk and ska and hardcore music... which is pretty much the polar opposite of rap.
However, if there is one rap artist I'll listen to (other than Kanye), it's Eminem. Ever since he first came out with his in-your-face, tongue-in-cheek rhymes, I enjoyed hearing his songs. Even when people were protesting him, saying that he was a negative influence on today's youth, it just fueled his fire. Think of his song "White America" (there are going to be alot of *'s here...):
[I]"So now I'm catchin the flack from these activists when raggin, actin like I'm the first rapper to smack a ***** and say '******'?"[/I]
Which is totally true. These things have been glorified by "gangster rap" for decades. What's the big deal now that some little white boy from Detroit is saying it?
He's made some pretty good songs, and has had some pretty wicked lyrics. Yes, he has had those immature songs, but hey, I'm not complaining. As cheesy as "Lose It" was, I couldn't help doing the Pee Wee Herman thing every single time I heard it.
My favorite song would probably have to be "Sing For The Moment."
Couple lines from it that I love;
[I]"And everybody just feels like they can relate. I guess words are a ************, they can be great, or they can degrade, or even worse they can teach hate. It's like these kids hang on every single statement we make"
"It's all political, if my music was literal, and I'm a criminal, how the **** could I raise a little girl!? I couldn't, I wouldn't be fit to..."
"That's why we, sing for these kids who don't have a thing, except for a dream and a ****** rap magazine. Who post pin-up pictures on their walls all day long, idolize their favorite rappers and know all their songs. Or for everyone who's ever been through **** in their lives, and they sit and they cry at night, wishing they died. So they throw on a rap record and they sit and they vibe. We're nothin to you, but we're the ****** **** in their eyes."[/I]

Not to mention his new album, the two songs about his daughter.
I think that since he has first came out, he has grown as a person, as an artist, and as a father.
I heard that he is going to be retiring his alter ego, Slim Shady. Which I think is very iconic of his maturation.
He may not be as iconic as Biggie or Tupac, but I think he will be an artist that will be remembered long after he is gone.
He definately has my respect as an artist.

[Petie]

[font=Verdana][color=blue]Generally, I'd just delete the last post and send a PM but because there was more than one reply, I'll take care of it this way instead.[/color][/font]

[font=Verdana][color=blue]The last post in this thread was in December of 2004. That is a good year and a half ago. If you'd like to talk about Eminem, you are free to create a new thread but in the future, please do not bring back long dead ones.[/color][/font]

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