Kentucky Fried Creulty

[chobit]

Cruelty at a Perdue Plant in Showell, Maryland

"For two weeks in September of 2004, an undercover investigator from Compassion Over Killing (COK) worked directly on the slaughter line inside a Perdue Farms slaughterhouse in Showell, Maryland?a supplier to KFC. Using a hidden camera, the investigator documented horrific abuses to animals every day. Below are some excerpts from the investigator?s log:

? After only 30 minutes of working on the line, two things stood out more than anything else: how the animals were treated and how they reacted. ? Nearly every chicken responded with screams and violent physical reactions from the moment they were grabbed by workers and as they went through the line. The screaming of the birds and the frenzied flapping of their wings was so loud that you had to yell to the worker next to you, who was standing less than 2 feet away, just so [he or she] could hear you.

? I saw some chickens being shackled with their heads caught between their legs and the shackle. Since they weren?t hanging upside-down, their necks would completely miss the slicing blade, so they?d presumably go into the scalding tanks while fully conscious.

? Today I saw about 50 birds being dumped from the transport crates onto the conveyor belt, a distance of approximately 8 feet. ? The screaming was intense during the whole process. I looked onto the conveyor belt and could clearly see chickens with broken legs and wings, limbs sticking out [at] unnatural angles.

? During one break, a worker repeatedly slapped a chicken in the face until the line started again.

? Today, a worker walked the length of the live hang room floor, picking up chickens and throwing them against the shackles. ? [T]he line shook so hard that some other birds already on the conveyor belt [were] knocked off onto the floor.

? While one of the workers was talking about football, he ?spiked? a chicken onto the conveyor belt, pretending he had scored a touchdown.

Despite Perdue?s claim on its Web site that ?[i]ndividuals handling poultry must be trained in animal husbandry,? COK?s investigator never received any such training."

The link below is the video,I was to scared to watch it so I don't know how scary it is.
[url]http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=perdue[/url]

This is one of the most disgusting thing I have ever heard.I don't know how people,can eat animals,wear animals...whatever after reading this.Animals have feelings,like pain,and unlike us animals can't go see a doctor.

Opinions?

[Adahn]

[b][font=Trebuchet MS][color=darkolivegreen][size=2]I don't see why everyone gives pain such a hard time. Pain is a physical response to stimuli which are harmful to the individual. It is an unpleasant sensation with the function of causing the individual to remove itself from the harmful stimulus. We humans are pampered in that we're taught that nobody has any right to cause pain to another. All animals feel pain, and all animals die. What difference does it make whether one feels pain and death at our hands or natures'? Maybe it's better than starving to death in the wilderness or being eaten alive by some other animal. I've gone squirrel hunting before. Once I shot a squirrel, only nicking its neck, and I watched it run down the tree, move around in agony on the forest floor, and die a horrible death. I guarantee that that one little squirrel felt more pain than any one of those chickens. I ate that squirrel, and it tasted like chicken. I personally don't care what happens to my food before I eat it, so long as it is prepared in a hygenic manner. It would be okay for me if every chicken were personally and brutally tortured before being killed. Why? Because I wouldn't do a much better job of killing the critter humanely, myself. It's food, chobit. However, if someone pokes my cat with a stick, he can expect a swift and brutal *** kicking. I don't eat cats. I hug them and their soft and warm :D[/size] [/color][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][color=#556b2f][/color][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]I suppose that if you really like chickens and kept them as pets, I could sympathize with you, but chickens are food to me. Nobody cares about people brutally slaughtering plants, do they? No. Why? Plants can't respond physically to harmful stimuli, making pain an unnecessary response. We shouldn't have to work around a normal physical response just because it is paralleled in us, and we have a level of sympathy. Animals always have had the purpose of either feeding us or being cute and letting us pet them. I have petted chickens, but I've also eaten them. Next thing you know people will be knocking on my door telling me to get rid of my cat because it tortures mice before it eats them. Or to eliminate all lions and tigers because they kill other animals and eat them alive.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f][/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]I do agree with you on one point, though. I'm not a big fan of people killing animals for fashion. The only animal I'll wear is sheep, and the last time I checked, you could get wool from a sheep without killing it or hurting it.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[wrist cutter]

KFC sounds pretty good right now, actually.

[COLOR=DarkRed]Please add more thought to your responses wrist cutter. If it doesn't add to the discussion at hand please don't post it.

-Panda [/COLOR]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Adahn, this isn't just slaughter, with which I have no problem, it is torture. With which I do have a problem. Is there any need to beat, slap and otherwise mutilate chickens? The slaughter of them isn't worrying. It is the cruelty inherent in some of the workers actions which is the problem.

Chop their heads of and they're dead Adahn. You don't need to beat them against the wall first.[/SIZE]

[Adahn]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]Adahn, this isn't just slaughter, with which I have no problem, it is torture. With which I do have a problem. Is there any need to beat, slap and otherwise mutilate chickens? The slaughter of them isn't worrying. It is the cruelty inherent in some of the workers actions which is the problem.

Chop their heads of and they're dead Adahn. You don't need to beat them against the wall first.[/size][/QUOTE]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]I could do a better job of torturing chickens. If I had to work with the stupid things all day and they were squawking and flapping around and jumping out of their little box, I'd be pissed too. I watched the movie, and it really wasn't that bad. He probably had hours of footage, and that was the worst of it. You have to remember, also, that this guy is PETA (shudders). There's just a little bit of bias in anything and everything they say.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f][/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]Oh, and if you've got an excitable chicken that always hops out of its pen, maybe it does need to be calmed down a little bit. Short of giving it a tranquilizer, banging it up against something is probably the best course of action.[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1][quote]During one break, a worker repeatedly slapped a chicken in the face until the line started again.
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[quote]Today, a worker walked the length of the live hang room floor, picking up chickens and throwing them against the shackles.[/quote]

[quote]While one of the workers was talking about football, he ?spiked? a chicken onto the conveyor belt, pretending he had scored a touchdown.[/quote]

[quote=Adahn]Oh, and if you've got an excitable chicken that always hops out of its pen, maybe it does need to be calmed down a little bit. Short of giving it a tranquilizer, banging it up against something is probably the best course of action.
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Uhuh...

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[Boba Fett]

[color=green]Sure, the workers probably could treat these chickens a little better. But does it really matter; they?re all going to end up dead anyway.

If you?re so opposed to the slaughter of poultry, don?t eat chicken. I?m with Wrist Cutter on this one; I?ll still be eating KFC?[/color]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]It's the morality of the issue. It's like raping a woman who's on Death Row; it doesn't matter because she's going to be dead soon anyway. Right? Or beating up a kid with cancer.

Or going out and bashing quokka's as a group of boys did on Rottnest a year or so ago.

It's wanton cruelty, and if you did it to anything else, you'd be in trouble.[/size]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]These animals were produced with the intention of slaughtering them for our consumption. They were born with no choice in the matter. What a company does between their birth and them becoming a combo doesn't concern me. If something is bred with the goal for it to become some form of meal, I am pretty sure their existence has been demeaned to the point where complaints over torture prior to their ascendancy into fast food nirvana is irrelevant.

I respect the animal kingdom as much as or more than the next person but I do it logically, lol.

Oh and, not to be juvenile or anything, but COK is an amusing acronym. [/color]

[Adahn]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]It's the morality of the issue. It's like raping a woman who's on Death Row; it doesn't matter because she's going to be dead soon anyway. Right? Or beating up a kid with cancer.

Or going out and bashing quokka's as a group of boys did on Rottnest a year or so ago.

It's wanton cruelty, and if you did it to anything else, you'd be in trouble.[/size][/QUOTE]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]There's a difference between people and animals. If you disagree, you're a PETA person and you scare me. It's not like raping a woman who's on Death Row; it's more like raping a chicken. If you don't see a difference, then there's no point arguing with you, because you're a crazy PETA person (runs away screaming)[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I have no problems with the consumption of animals, or the use of their products. It's the actions that these people are taking in their job. Does it make them feel tough to slam chickens on tables? What kind of excuse can you provide for such shameful treatment of animals?[/size]

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1']It's the morality of the issue. It's like raping a woman who's on Death Row; it doesn't matter because she's going to be dead soon anyway. Right? Or beating up a kid with cancer.[/size][/quote]

[color=green]To me, there's a great moral and ethical difference between inflicting harm on a person than an animal. Neither is right, but unecessary malice towards an animal (especially one born and bred for slaughter) doesn't resonate with me very deeply.[/color]

EDIT:

[color=green]People who do these types of jobs undoubtedly become desensitized to the animal's "feelings", akin to an emotional defense method. I bet they were all shaken up after their first day on the job, but gradually became emotionally acclimated to their workplace.[/color]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I'm not PETA. I just used those as...examples. Biased, I know ~_^

How about another example. A boy finds a wounded bird on the road. He picks it up, and takes it home. He the sets it's broken wing on fire. After extinguishing it, he crushes its body with a brick, and then kicks its [presumably dead] body into the garden.

Isn't that a nice tale? The moral of the story: According to increasingly violent Americans, acts of wanton cruelty to animals are acceptable as long as the creatures death was likely anyway.[/size]

[wiccansamurai]

[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]There's a difference between people and animals. If you disagree, you're a PETA person and you scare me. It's not like raping a woman who's on Death Row; it's more like raping a chicken. If you don't see a difference, then there's no point arguing with you, because you're a crazy PETA person (runs away screaming)[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]
The only difference between humans and animals is we have "morals." If we do stuff like this, does this not take our morals down and bring us closer to animals? Your logic is flawed.

[Adahn]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]I'm not PETA. I just used those as...examples. Biased, I know ~_^

How about another example. A boy finds a wounded bird on the road. He picks it up, and takes it home. He the sets it's broken wing on fire. After extinguishing it, he crushes its body with a brick, and then kicks its [presumably dead] body into the garden.

Isn't that a nice tale? The moral of the story: According to increasingly violent Americans, acts of wanton cruelty to animals are acceptable as long as the creatures death was likely anyway.[/size][/QUOTE][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]You forgot one thing. He has to eat the birdie.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f][/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]EDIT: I'm not doing that to animals. The argument is that we shouldn't eat meat because of how the animals are treated, not whether or not cruelty to animals is right or wrong. PETA thinks you're an abominable person if you eat meat because of how the animals are treated. I think PETA is retarded.[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]How about another example. A boy finds a wounded bird on the road. He picks it up, and takes it home. He the sets it's broken wing on fire. After extinguishing it, he crushes its body with a brick, and then kicks its [presumably dead] body into the garden.

Isn't that a nice tale? The moral of the story: According to increasingly violent Americans, acts of wanton cruelty to animals are acceptable as long as the creatures death was likely anyway.[/size][/QUOTE]

[color=green]That's right, pin it all on America. Big, bad America... o_-

Cruelty towards animals isn't right or acceptable. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm merely saying that those acts described above don't really faze me. They don't motivate me to take action; they don't outrage me. It's regrettable, but it happens.

It's simply not a big deal, as I see it.[/color]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi]
How about another example. A boy finds a wounded bird on the road. He picks it up, and takes it home. He the sets it's broken wing on fire. After extinguishing it, he crushes its body with a brick, and then kicks its [presumably dead] body into the garden.[/QUOTE]

Say, I think I've done that once before. Good times.

[quote name='wiccansamurai']The only difference between humans and animals is we have "morals."[/quote]

Don't you think you're selling us a bit short? We're the only being on the planet with Broca's area, meaning we're the only beings endowed with the ability to form [i]original[/i] speech (so this doesn't include parrots, since they only mimick speech).

On top of that, consider this: did it hurt when you got shots as a baby? "Of course it did you moron, that's why I cried!!" I see. What did it feel like?

Animals pretty much live their lives like that.

[Soliel]

[COLOR=GREEN]Okay, I'm currently taking an Animal Science class and have been learning about food animal production. First off, chickens are going to make a fuss, even if you just walk up to them in a hen house (my friend lives on a farm and I've helped her collect eggs before). Also there is a legal document known as the Humane Slauter Act. I don't think many people know about this, especially some extremist animal rights supporters (no offence to the vegitarians out there). I'm not sure how this applies to poultry, but it states that unless an animal is being used in a sacrafical slauter, it must be rendered unconcious prior to death. In no case can an animal be skinned or ripped open alive. So try not to believe the stories that say that all meat packing plants just stick a cow on a convaer belt and start hacking away at its flesh. Just thought I'd lay that myth to rest.

As for your story, chobit, nothing can be done about chickens making noise, that is not considered lines for abuse. But the rest of it, if it's true, would be in violation of the HSA and should not be seen as a typical poultry processing plant.[/COLOR]

[wiccansamurai]

[QUOTE]Don't you think you're selling us a bit short? We're the only being on the planet with Broca's area, meaning we're the only beings endowed with the ability to form [i]original[/i] speech (so this doesn't include parrots, since they only mimick speech).

On top of that, consider this: did it hurt when you got shots as a baby? "Of course it did you moron, that's why I cried!!" I see. What did it feel like?

Animals pretty much live their lives like that.[/QUOTE]
Ok, yeah, we have intelligence too. Thanks for reminding me. But, how do you know that's how animals live? Do you really think they can't remember pain from the past just because they can't tell us they do?

Still, one of the major things that set us apart from animals is morals. They're plenty of smart animals. Chickens aren't one of them, but that's like saying, though this is an extreme, we should have a prejudice for people with mental disabilities. Sure, they won't end up being food, but some of the basic concepts are there.

They just shouldn't do that to animals, even if for the mere fact its going to start a controversy.

[chobit]

[QUOTE=Boba Fett][color=green]
If you?re so opposed to the slaughter of poultry, don?t eat chicken.[/color][/QUOTE]

I don't eat chicken for the record.I'm powered by tofu.And it does make a difference.

"Thanks to 11 months of intensive campaigning against McDonald?s, six months of even more intense campaigning against Burger King, and two months of campaigning against Wendy?s, these corporations are making major improvements in the living and dying conditions of animals used for their restaurants."
-PETA

And no,you don't have to stop eating meat.Its not the meat most people have a problem with,its what people do to get the meat.All I'm saying is that there is a better way(free range chickens perhaps?)I am not trying to make you vegan.

[DeathKnight]

[quote name='Baron Samedi']According to increasingly violent Americans, acts of wanton cruelty to animals are acceptable as long as the creatures death was likely anyway.[/quote]

[color=crimson]Yes. They are, lol. Thank you for summarizing my post. The plight of the chicken destined for fast food is of no concern to me. If people wish to rant, rave, sue or lament over the plight of said-chickens, that's fine with me. I don't care either way what occurs, people will be as idiotically passionate as they want to be.
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[Delta]

[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]
Hey don't the blood and flesh mix when you beat a chicken up? The meat goes dark and will probably taste like blood when cooked. Shouldn't the Quality Control people do something about [i]that[/i]?

Love and Peace!
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[Guest sangoiscool]

i guess it would but i would much rather have blood than the meat :devil:

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I have no problem with eating animals and/or animal products. I do it on a regular basis. I'm not saying we shouldn't eat the meat. But I do think that this kind of behaviour is innapropriate, and needs to be punished.

Plus the fact that nobody seems to find anything wrong with it irks me.

[b]Edit[/b]: I'll pin it on Big, Bad America whenever I can ;)

Kidding, lol.[/size]

[Pumpkin]

[QUOTE=ssjSolarPrinces][COLOR=GREEN]Okay, I'm currently taking an Animal Science class and have been learning about food animal production. First off, chickens are going to make a fuss, even if you just walk up to them in a hen house (my friend lives on a farm and I've helped her collect eggs before). Also there is a legal document known as the Humane Slauter Act. I don't think many people know about this, especially some extremist animal rights supporters (no offence to the vegitarians out there). I'm not sure how this applies to poultry, but it states that unless an animal is being used in a sacrafical slauter, it must be rendered unconcious prior to death. In no case can an animal be skinned or ripped open alive. So try not to believe the stories that say that all meat packing plants just stick a cow on a convaer belt and start hacking away at its flesh. Just thought I'd lay that myth to rest.

As for your story, chobit, nothing can be done about chickens making noise, that is not considered lines for abuse. But the rest of it, if it's true, would be in violation of the HSA and should not be seen as a typical poultry processing plant.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1]Wow obviously you've never visited a factory or known someone who works with them. You think they say they do everything they state? No. Many bend the rules in so many ways. You should go to where they slaughter cows, half the time they arnt all the way sedated, sheep too, if you heard the screams i have you would think twice about that. But anyways, I think its wrong to blame PETA or anyone who is passionate about the way food is processed. First of all, its because the animals are treated like garbage and not handled with any proper care, which is secondly can be bad for your health because they dont even make the chicken properly. I don't think any animal should be throw around or slaughtered while being alive like that. I have to say I get everything Baron was saying, would if someone slaughtered your cat and just said "Well it was going to die anyway?" and ate it. Yeah you'd feel pretty disgusted right. I dont have anything against meat products either and not trying to encourage everyone to go vegetarian or anything, I think its more of the fact they want the horrible way of slaughtering to stop, cause in a way we are more like animals ourselves. We treat them in a in-humane way. [/FONT][/SIZE]