Kentucky Fried Creulty

[Erika]

[size=1][color=royalblue]I think it's sick, plain and simple.

But in the end, I eat the chicken anyways, but the only thing that realistically irks me is how they're kept, and what they're fed, because I'm more health conscious than not. Free-range--it's pretty much the traditional way for keeping chickens...and for good a reason.

And as how to kill the chicken, well...hold the chicken down. Chop its head off. Let its blood drain. Pluck. Gut. Ship, cook, eat, whatever. Task done. There's no legitimate reason for anyone to screw around with them just because they're going to die anyways. The animal doesn't suffer after you've chopped off its head, albeit it is messier, but y'know...they're slaughterhouses. :rolleyes: During the time it takes to slam a chicken against random objects or treat it like some jock toy, two or three chicken heads could've simply hacked off.

Oh, and to wrap up my post, I watched the local news tonight and found out something involving chickens. Also, it is an odd coincedence, lol. :whoops:

Near Oregon City, on HWY.213, a 10,000+ lb. semi containing some-6000 chickens did a complete flip after failing to stop at a yellow light in time (that's all I managed to catch--how the semi flipped is beyond me, lol). Hundreds died, but the ones that survived were taken away in another truck.[/color][/size]

[Mitch]

I worked at KFC for 4 weeks once. The place and the company as a whole can burn in hell. Then I shall piss on its ashes.

[rainkius]

Wow... I'm amazed at how everyone is reacting to this. Like a few other ppl here, i don't understand how everyone can be so apathetic toward this. This sort of thing makes me lose faith in people as a whole lol.

A few things:
1) I eat meat.
2) I had a psychotic roommate last year who was involved in PETA.. i know the stares of death i got for eating meat in front of her (eventually i started doing it on purpose, but that's beside the point) and so i've been exposed to the weird radicalism PETA seems to have migrated toward.
3) It's a fact that serial killers and the like started by being cruel to animals, and eventually worked their way to humans. So saying that hurting an innocent animal doesnt compare to hurting a child is way off actually...
4) Of course animals FEEL. they have pain receptors exactly like we do. seriously, that's just completely stupid to say something like that. No, they don't think "bashing me against a wall for no reason is a violation of my rights" but the pain of being bashed against a wall and having bones broken registers... i'd imagine they think something along the lines of "oh holy **** this hurts" but that's just a guess. ;)

I agree that this violence is completely unnecessary and a waste of energy. There's no reason to torture an animal before you kill it. Just kill it and get it over with. I also don't think the torture is all that common.. i think its more just some messed up individuals. But slaughterhouses are still pretty awful, although for other reasons.

[wrist cutter]

[quote name='rainkius']This sort of thing makes me lose faith in people as a whole lol.[/quote]

Losing faith in humanity isn't really a laughing matter lol.

[quote name='rainkius']It's a fact that serial killers and the like started by being cruel to animals, and eventually worked their way to humans. So saying that hurting an innocent animal doesnt compare to hurting a child is way off actually...[/quote]

I suppose you think DOOM is to blame too?


[quote name='rainkius']Of course animals FEEL. they have pain receptors exactly like we do. seriously, that's just completely stupid to say something like that. No, they don't think "bashing me against a wall for no reason is a violation of my rights" but the pain of being bashed against a wall and having bones broken registers... i'd imagine they think something along the lines of "oh holy **** this hurts" but that's just a guess. ;)[/quote]

No, they don't think "oh holy **** this hurts". They don't think ANYTHING, and that's where all of you who are up in arms are off track. You're caught up in the mindset of a human, where reality to animals is totally different. My point wasn't that they don't have pain receptors, it's that the really don't have much awareness of what's happening around them. Re-read my baby example. Obviously you felt the pain, because you cried, but did it really hurt? Imagine if you died three minutes later. You would have never really had any knowledge of your existence, really, and thus the pain was insignificant.

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Is there much of a difference between beating a chicken against a wall, and beating say...a puppy?

Is there something slightly unhinged about beating a puppy against a wall?

Read between the lines.[/size]

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]Is there much of a difference between beating a chicken against a wall, and beating say...a puppy?

Is there something slightly unhinged about beating a puppy against a wall?

Read between the lines.[/size][/QUOTE]

[color=green]I don't eat puppies, I eat chickens.

It's painfully obvious that since most people don't consume dogs, we are more emotionally attached to them than say cows or chickens. This creates a level of empathy with puppies that we dont have with chickens.

There is a difference, and this allows us to rationalize violence against chickens. May not be right, or moral/ethical, but it's going to happen.

Live with it.[/color]

[Dagger]

[QUOTE=Boba Fett][color=green]I don't eat puppies, I eat chickens.

It's painfully obvious that since most people don't consume dogs, we are more emotionally attached to them than say cows or chickens. This creates a level of empathy with puppies that we dont have with chickens.

There is a difference, and this allows us to rationalize violence against chickens. May not be right, or moral/ethical, but it's going to happen.

Live with it.[/color][/QUOTE]

For the most part, I agree with you. However, the logic you employed in the final few sentences of your post disturbs me--it would make greater sense to say "Live with it [i]if you plan on continuing to eat chickens[/i]." Personally, I love meat and simply don't want to give it up. But the way you phrased this made it sound as though even people who are utterly stricken by violence directed at chickens should just shut up and deal with the fact that not everyone will find it as emotionally stirring.

Assuming they don't decide to start interfering with my own eating habits, I encourage those who think this is truly morally repellent to actually do something about it--i.e. become a vegetarian.

~Dagger~

[rainkius]

[QUOTE] I suppose you think DOOM is to blame too?
[/QUOTE]

Of course not. It was just an interesting fact i read somewhere. :rolleyes:

And i was joking about losing faith in humanity over chicken cruelty. I lost it long ago over more important things. :p

And i still think your logic is flawed over how much or little a chicken feels... but there's really no way to prove that either way, so whatever.

If i were a company, i would at least attempt to limit the waste of energy bc it's inefficient and most of these companies are all about the bottom line, so i'm surprised they haven't done anything yet. I bet the best way to end this is to mention to the execs just how much production would increase if ppl stopped messing around with the chickens and just killed them...

Oh, and the cruelty that's accidental, like the chicken being shackled incorrectly so it doesn't get its head cut before going to the scalding tank - that's just unfortunate. There's not a whole lot you can do to stop that. That i can see saying "just live with it" to.

[Gavin]

[quote name='wrist cutter']I suppose you think DOOM is to blame too?[/quote]

[SIZE=1]As you're no doubt well aware Wrist Cutter humans have been capable of inflicting cruelty on both animals and other humans since long before Doom was created.[/SIZE]

[quote name='wrist cutter']No, they don't think "oh holy **** this hurts". They don't think ANYTHING, and that's where all of you who are up in arms are off track. You're caught up in the mindset of a human, where reality to animals is totally different. My point wasn't that they don't have pain receptors, it's that the really don't have much awareness of what's happening around them. Re-read my baby example. Obviously you felt the pain, because you cried, but did it really hurt? Imagine if you died three minutes later. You would have never really had any knowledge of your existence, really, and thus the pain was insignificant.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]And yet when a dog gets hit by a car and has it's leg broken it howls in pain, all creatures have pain receptors, all creatures are aware of pain otherwise they wouldn't cry/howl/what have you when it happens, just because they doon't say "God damn this hurts" doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Are you saying then the animals such as the Hump-backed Whale which sings while it swims to attract others of its kind is doing what exactly ? Hmm I'll just make this noise for absolutely no reason and then be amazed that more of my kind just shows up for no reason.

Just because an animal doesn't speak your language or communicate through the same terms as you do doesn't mean it's not intelligent or self-aware. As for your baby point of course it felt pain, your words exactly were "[I]Obviously you felt the pain, because you cried[/I]" are you seriously trying to convince us that feeling pain and being hurt are completely unrelated in everything bar children capable of speech ? If you are, then that is just completely ludicrous.[/SIZE]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE=Kane]
And yet when a dog gets hit by a car and has it's leg broken it howls in pain, all creatures have pain receptors, all creatures are aware of pain otherwise they wouldn't cry/howl/what have you when it happens, just because they doon't say "God damn this hurts" doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for totally restating what someone said before. I know damn well animals have pain receptors, I already said that. What do you think my baby example was all about? Babies crying when hurt. So no **** animals have pain receptors.

[quote name='Kane']Are you saying then the animals such as the Hump-backed Whale which sings while it swims to attract others of its kind is doing what exactly ? Hmm I'll just make this noise for absolutely no reason and then be amazed that more of my kind just shows up for no reason.[/quote]

Um, no, of course he's not thinking that because my whole point is that animals are too stupid to think. Ever heard of Darwin? Humpback whale is just making noise because it has been doing it for thousands of years and it needs to perpetuate its species. It wouldn't be amazed, because the whole point of making the noise is to grab the attention of a female. But the fact that every single humpback whale does this demonstrates that it's purely instinctual. If humpback whales had unique ways of attracting mates, it might actually demonstrate thought. But they don't.

[quote name='Kane]Just because an animal doesn't speak your language or communicate through the same terms as you do doesn't mean it's not intelligent or self-aware. As for your baby point of course it felt pain, your words exactly were "[I]Obviously you felt the pain, because you cried[/I']" are you seriously trying to convince us that feeling pain and being hurt are completely unrelated in everything bar children capable of speech ? If you are, then that is just completely ludicrous.[/quote]

Animals aren't intelligent or self-aware. At least chickens anyways. I mean, there are some "smart" monkeys and whatnot, but the vast majority of animals don't even realize they exist.

I'm not saying anything about speech. Go back to my baby example. Because you were hurt from the doctor putting a needle in you, you responded by making a sound. But what did it feel like? Nothing. And if you died a minute later, you would've never known you or the pain existed. That is the state that chickens and most animals live in.

You're all looking at this in terms of human pain. Chickens do not experience pain in the same way we do. YES I KNOW THEY HAVE PAIN RECEPTORS. But animals are little more than bundles of responses and instinct.

[CaptainAnarchy]

Peta people scare me....if chickens were made to be edible, then they were made to be eaten. their meat would contain anti-freeze if they weren't meant to be eaten.

[rainkius]

[quote name='wrist cutter']Animals aren't intelligent or self-aware. At least chickens anyways. I mean, there are some "smart" monkeys and whatnot, but the vast majority of animals don't even realize they exist.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but i don't see how you have ANY real basis for that. How do you know they don't realize they exist? If they didn't realize they existed, wouldn't they just... sit there and do nothing? Don't give me bs about instinct being everything. I guess we've hit the fundamental question in this issue: do chickens (and other "stupid" animals) experience pain in a way we can understand? To me, experiencing pain is a concept everyone can understand... i mean, individual people experience pain differently so isn't this similar?

Being cruel to a chicken is like pulling the wings off a butterfly - senseless and a waste of energy. Now, i make no claims about insects having pain receptors - to me, it would make more sense biologically if they didn't (what with being so small and probably stepped on all the time, and designed almost purely to be fodder for something larger). But i guess you could compare the lack of intelligence... (to me, a chicken is smarter than a butterfly and being cruel to a chicken is way worse, but that's just me...) I have a question: why do people want to do this sort of a thing in the first place? i can't understand WANTING to cause something pain just because i could.. :confused: