Star Wars 411

[Guest butterfly]

yes i agree. jar jar binks is too disney for my liking. he doesn't fit. i think that they tried to get the same humour as choowie and han solo, in 4-6. he needs to be destroyed. i haven't been all too keen on 1 and 2, i don't know why. they just haven't done it for me. well can't wait for the new ones to come out.

[Juu]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Jar Jar would be a better character if he did something a little more useful for a change. For the moment, I find him pretty annoying, and... useless. = \[/color] [/size]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Episodes 1-3 should not have been made in my opinion. A lot of the dates contradict things from the EU, i.e The Thrawn Trilogy. Blegh, I think it would have been better off with just the Original Trilogy and the Expanded Universe. I myself would have been totally happy to let the EU cover all things prior to Episode IV.

[Solo Tremaine]

I disagree, if only because I haven't read or seen anything to do with the Expanded Universe. But mind you, all of the books and whatever of everything set before, after or during the original trilogy will have some errors and contradictions to the films and each other. George Lucas is really the only person who can say what goes, so technically we have to go by what the films say, as he is the creator and all. And I like Ewan McGregor.

But like I've said, I've not seen anything to do with the EU, so if I'm wrong about anything don't rub it in. I'm ineducated.

[Boba Fett]

[COLOR=green]I think that producing the Prequel movies was an excellent idea that could have been fine tuned better.

I think that Episodes I and II are both great movies, and while they don't match up to the original trilogy, they still are critical parts of the Star Wars timeline.

If I could have had some say in the production of these movies, then there would have been several things I would have changed. Jar-Jar would [I]not[/I] be one of them. As much as I despise him, he does serve a purpose in the movies.

I also would have removed any reference to the Death Star construction from Episode II, since the EU had stated that both of the gargantuan battle stations were designed in the "Maw Facility".

I might have also removed some of the cheesier script, such as the conversation between Anakin and Padme right before they enter the Geonosian Arena.

Overall I think these are great films, and I strongly disagree with Mitth'raw'nuruodo's opinion that the prequel movies shouldn't have been made. But this is just my opinion...[/COLOR]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Oh I know their will be contradiction. Twice the creator of the Death Star was contradicted. JAT I think it was, said that the Death Star was Tarkins Idea. Then to fix that up they had Raith Sienar create it in Rouge Planet and then give it to Tarkin.(Read Rouge Planet for a better description) But then, in AOTC, they have the Geonisians(sp) build the Death Star.......I mean come on......Then with the dates of the Clone Wars in TTT, if I remember correctly....take place long before they are supposed to take place according to the movies. I mean....if he's going to make the prequels......at least pay attention to some of these details. I know Star Wars is his...But how hard is it to pay attention to details.... I like the prequels, but I dont pay them any reference when it comes to the EU. Blegh.

[Boba Fett]

[COLOR=green]The EU is my favorite part of Star Wars for one reason. Everything that happens is connected so intricately you would think one author had written the whole thing. No one story is isolated and autonomous from the rest. There had been no contradictions in what, ten years and one hundred plus full length novels?

As for the triple creation of the Death Star, I prefer to believe it was created in the maw facility. The Geonosian's and Raith Sienar can be shoved out an airlock without vac suits... :shifty: :laugh: :laugh: [/COLOR]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

I suppose I can bring this topic back up with something....

How do ya'll think of the Star Wars map in the NJO books?

I hate it. so inaccurate. Wild Space is supposed to sepereate the known galaxy from the Unknown Regions. Huge mistake there...mentioned in two sources that I am aware of, though there may be more. The Unknown Regions can't be that close to Coruscant(in my mind) they would have searched more of the Unknown Regions were Coruscant to be that close to it....Planet Nirauan(sP) from the HoT Duology....is on the border of Wild Space and Unknown Regions....look where it is in the maps....yet this also coincides with the problem of where Wild Space should be.

I mean did they even read the books....to get a good idea of where the planets and stuff should be? I personally do not think so, and I am just curious on what you all think.

[Boba Fett]

[COLOR=green]I was wondering if someone was ever going to post here again...

I think the Star Wars map in the NJO books is completely accurate. After reading your post last night, and looking back at my copies of the Hand of Thrawn series, I found the authors descriptions of the galaxy to closely match the map. The map used in the NJO is no different from any Star Wars map I have ever seen, and was in use before the NJO came out. I don't see how anybody can dispute its authenticity. [/COLOR]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Nirauan is supposed to be on the edges of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions(said somewhere in the HoT Duology). Now if you look at the NJO map, Wild Space is on the FAR side of the NJO map, so they just place Nirauan in the Unknow Regions by the Imperial Remnant. Big mistake right there. In the short story Command Decision by Zahn, it says the Star Destroyer they are on, has just left Wild Space and entered the Unknown Regions. Another mistake right there.

And if I remember correctly from The Empire Strikes Back, after the whole Hoth thingy and what not, Han says that whole thing about Lando and how he's on Bespin. Now, I may be wrong here since I havent watched it in awhile, but doesnt he say that Bespin is pretty far from Hoth or something?But in the NJO map, there practically neighbors.....now in my mind pretty far is like the distance between Endor and Bakura is in the NJO map.

Now I have seen countless other maps online made by regular fans, that are tons more accurate than the NJO map. They at least have the Wild Space and Unknown Regions case down flat. And just think, the other day I went to the map and drew the Vong invasion path on those maps, and it works as well.

In my mind, the NJO map is crap and will always be crap. It sucks, inaccurate. The points with Wild Space mentioned above, is clear proof that there is one big mistake in the map. Now if you find that map accurate.......shame on you. :p

Now if that isn't inaccurate I don't know what is.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]Nirauan is supposed to be on the edges of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions(said somewhere in the HoT Duology). Now if you look at the NJO map, Wild Space is on the FAR side of the NJO map, so they just place Nirauan in the Unknow Regions by the Imperial Remnant. Big mistake right there. In the short story Command Decision by Zahn, it says the Star Destroyer they are on, has just left Wild Space and entered the Unknown Regions. Another mistake right there. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]I looked all through [B][I]Vision of the Future[/I][/B] and [B][I]Specter of the Past[/I][/B], but couldn?t find any reference to Wild space or the unknown regions. Could you give me the pertinent page numbers?

As for the information found in [B][I]Command Decision[/I][/B], I can't seem to find the story anywhere. Where was it published? For some reason I think it was published in the [B][I]Star Wars Adventure Journal[/I][/B], but I doubt I am right?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]And if I remember correctly from The Empire Strikes Back, after the whole Hoth thingy and what not, Han says that whole thing about Lando and how he's on Bespin. Now, I may be wrong here since I havent watched it in awhile, but doesnt he say that Bespin is pretty far from Hoth or something?But in the NJO map, there practically neighbors.....now in my mind pretty far is like the distance between Endor and Bakura is in the NJO map. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]Actually, you remembered wrong. Hoth and Bespin are in the same are in the same sector, if they were farther apart Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids would have been in for a long trip with only lightspeed travel capabilities on the [I]Millennium Falcon[/I].[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]Now I have seen countless other maps online made by regular fans, that are tons more accurate than the NJO map. They at least have the Wild Space and Unknown Regions case down flat. And just think, the other day I went to the map and drew the Vong invasion path on those maps, and it works as well. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]Could you PM me the web addresses of those sites? I would like to see their maps very much?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]In my mind, the NJO map is crap and will always be crap. It sucks, inaccurate. The points with Wild Space mentioned above, is clear proof that there is one big mistake in the map. Now if you find that map accurate.......shame on you. :p[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green] Mitth'raw'nuruodo, the map used in the New Jedi Order was in use for two years before it appeared in the NJO books. The map is also approved by Lucas Film; they wouldn?t screw up in a major way on something as important as this. It would have been corrected by now.

I also have another reason to argue for the existing map :blush: I am too lazy to rip down the map of the galaxy I have on the wall behind my bed?[/COLOR]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

I can't tell you the exact page, but if I remember correctly, it is when Mara finds out the paths of the Chiss Clawcrafts, right on the border of Wild Space and Unknown, I will look for the exact page number later. Your right, Command Decision is in and Adventure Journal. I will find the maps for you, if you have AIM you can contact me at LoveHina4Life, and I will give the URL there, or I will PM you them.

From the Unoffical Encyclopedia at Theforce.net:

[b]Wild Space
the true frontier of the known galaxy, Wild Space separates the known galaxy from the Unknown Regions. The planets of this region are virtually ignored by the rest of galaxy, since they are so distant from the Core.[/b]

But with the NJO map, Wild Space is on the entire other side of the Galaxy, and is only a small section. Now from what I am getting from that entry.....it is more than a [i]small[/i] part, but more like a large part that seperates the known galaxy from the Unknown Regions.

And this is what the Heir to the Empire sourcebook says about Wild Space:

[b]Wild Space is today's true frontier[/b]

Now in my mind, that again says that Wild Space is more than just the small chunk of the galaxy that the NJO map gives it.

And could you tell me where the NJO map has been used 2 years before the NJO books came out? Really would like to see that.

And yeah, knew I was wrong with the Hand and Bespin thing, my bad.

Ill find the maps for you as soon as possible.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]I can't tell you the exact page, but if I remember correctly, it is when Mara finds out the paths of the Chiss Clawcrafts, right on the border of Wild Space and Unknown, I will look for the exact page number later. Your right, Command Decision is in and Adventure Journal. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]Sounds like a good place to start looking. I'll take another look today and let you know if I find anything.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B] I will find the maps for you, if you have AIM you can contact me at LoveHina4Life, and I will give the URL there, or I will PM you them.[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]Mitth'raw'nuruodo, you're on my AIM buddy list. Feel free to contact me [I]any[/I] time.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
From the Unoffical Encyclopedia at Theforce.net:

[b]Wild Space
the true frontier of the known galaxy, Wild Space separates the known galaxy from the Unknown Regions. The planets of this region are virtually ignored by the rest of galaxy, since they are so distant from the Core.[/b]

But with the NJO map, Wild Space is on the entire other side of the Galaxy, and is only a small section. Now from what I am getting from that entry.....it is more than a [i]small[/i] part, but more like a large part that seperates the known galaxy from the Unknown Regions.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]I took a look at my latest NJO novel, and found your statement to be accurate. However, since this encyclopedia is "unofficial", even though I would be willing to trust it more than other sites, I can totally trust it.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
And this is what the Heir to the Empire sourcebook says about Wild Space:

[b]Wild Space is today's true frontier[/b]

Now in my mind, that again says that Wild Space is more than just the small chunk of the galaxy that the NJO map gives it. [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]The reason Wild space is portrayed as a small chunk of the galaxy is that unlike mapmakers of old, the people who drew this map didn?t show more of wild space than had been already explored.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
And could you tell me where the NJO map has been used 2 years before the NJO books came out? Really would like to see that. [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]My large map of the galaxy, while not in a swirl shape as the NJO map is in, was copyrighted in 1998. Didn?t the NJO come out in 2000? I'm not sure?

Anyway, these maps are identical in their portrayal of wild space and the unknown regions.

On a closing note, I am beginning to greatly enjoy these debates we are having. I must make time to spar with you some time.[/COLOR]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Well if you want me to contact ya, I need to know yours. :-p

That map you are talking about, is it from that Star Wars Fact Files?

It also says what Wild Space is in the Star Wars Encyclopedia, the big huge book.

[Boba Fett]

[COLOR=green]The map is from the Star Wars "Core Rulebook" for role-playing games.

I'm still waiting for those web sites (No hurry...) ;)

EDIT: "Thrawn" has PMed me those web sites, but their interpretations of the galaxy leave me flabbergasted.

[URL=http://members.shaw.ca/red24/swrpg/maps/galacticmap.htm]The map in question can be found here.[/URL]

This map shows that one half of the galaxy is unexplored. This fact alone shows that this map is definitely flawed, as the Si-ruuk are described as coming from the westernmost side of the galaxy [near Endor, Hoth and Bespin].

[URL=http://members.tripod.com/Alex_Baker/starwars/swmaps.html]The second, similar, map can be found here.[/URL]

This map has the same flaw, and leads me to believe that Dagobah is the only planet in an entire quadrant of the galaxy. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

Neither map even mentions either Wild Space or the Unknown regions, so I can't see how these maps support "Thrawn's" argument[/COLOR]

[Mr. Maul]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Boba Fett [/i]
[B][COLOR=green]I think that producing the Prequel movies was an excellent idea that could have been fine tuned better.

I think that Episodes I and II are both great movies, and while they don't match up to the original trilogy, they still are critical parts of the Star Wars timeline.

If I could have had some say in the production of these movies, then there would have been several things I would have changed. Jar-Jar would [I]not[/I] be one of them. As much as I despise him, he does serve a purpose in the movies.

I also would have removed any reference to the Death Star construction from Episode II, since the EU had stated that both of the gargantuan battle stations were designed in the "Maw Facility".

I might have also removed some of the cheesier script, such as the conversation between Anakin and Padme right before they enter the Geonosian Arena.

Overall I think these are great films, and I strongly disagree with Mitth'raw'nuruodo's opinion that the prequel movies shouldn't have been made. But this is just my opinion...[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

When Ep. I first came out, everyone thought it was the best movie ever. Then Ep. II came out, and people finaly relized that Ep. I was crap and that Ep. II was better. The same thing will happen when Ep. III comes out. I've also noticed the same things Boba did about the dialogue. In the first three movies, the dialogue sounded like normal, everyday, relaxed talk, but when you get to Ep. I and II, it sounds like they're robots cutting to the chase. And for those of you who are upset about the prequels throwing off the balance of EU, :laugh:

[Wormmon's Tamer]

Don't diss the EU!!!

[Mr. Maul]

Don't turn this into another spam fest, please.
The Eu has nothing to do with George Lucas' plot.
If it did he would include this stuff in his movies.

[Wormmon's Tamer]

He approved the stuff in the EU. So it does follow the plot.

[Guest Anakin Solo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mr. Maul [/i]
[B]Don't turn this into another spam fest, please.
The Eu has nothing to do with George Lucas' plot.
If it did he would include this stuff in his movies. [/B][/QUOTE]

There has been some things from the EU included in the movies ;).



Boba. Just because it says there is ONE planet in a section, doesn't mean there is only that ONE. Remember, the galaxy is huge. And not ALL planets have been covered in the EU books/movie/games. And the thing with the Ssi-Ruuk, I havent read TAB in awhile, so I may be wrong here. But it seems you are basing the fact of location on the NJO map. Am I right? But yet, that map isn't that accurate.(I will still say that as will others.) And if you had read my PM, I said they have a UPDATED version of the map. ;D Wild Space, Unknown Regions, new planets all included. Now please don't go saying things such as that, when I clearly say that it has been updated. :D

[Boba Fett]

[quote][I]Mitth'raw'nuruodo wrote on 12-26-2002 10:59 PM:[/I]
[url]http://members.shaw.ca/red24/swrpg/maps/galacticmap.htm[/url]

[url]http://members.tripod.com/Alex_Baker/starwars/swmaps.html[/url]


Maps that I use for charting the NJO invasion path....yes I chart it....theres an updated one I found the other day, I'll try and find that one for you.

Now these arent the [i]best[/i] maps, but in my mind, so much better than that NJO crap map. :p
[/quote]

[COLOR=green]For future reference, here is a copy of the PM you sent me.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]Boba. Just because it says there is ONE planet in a section, doesn't mean there is only that ONE. Remember, the galaxy is huge. And not ALL planets have been covered in the EU books/movie/games.[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]All of the galaxies planets definitely haven't been charted, but this map isn't even close to being accurate, since it doesn't have all of the basic planets featured in the movies.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]And the thing with the Ssi-Ruuk, I havent read TAB in awhile, so I may be wrong here. But it seems you are basing the fact of location on the NJO map. Am I right? But yet, that map isn't that accurate.(I will still say that as will others.)[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]I based my location on the Si-ruuk home system on its description in [I][B]Truce at Bakura[/B][/I]. I will try and find the page number for you.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]And if you had read my PM, I said they have a UPDATED version of the map. ;D Wild Space, Unknown Regions, new planets all included. Now please don't go saying things such as that, when I clearly say that it has been updated. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]I am well within my reasonable limitations to say the things I did about this map. I never said anything pertaining to the updated map, since doing it without viewing it beforehand would make no sense.

These two maps are the only fan maps I have seen so far, so I can't say much for the quality of fan maps in the Star Wars universe. I still think both these maps are inferior to the:[/COLOR]

[quote][I]Mitth'raw'nuruodo wrote on 12-26-2002 10:59 PM:[/I]
NJO crap map.
[/quote]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

But yet, in my mind, you refuse to believe about the things wrong with the map. Just because the map has been used for whatever years, does not mean that it itself is accurate. One major flaw is the placement of Wild Space. And if i remember correctly, Adumar is on the edges of Wild Space, but it is placed near the Unknown Regions near the Imperial Remnant. Two flaws right there with that map. Now I know there are flaws with the maps I sent you. I will work hard to find the updated map, and PM, but I cant guarantee I will find it right away, I am getting ready for exams and what not.

[i]Spectre of the Past[/i] page 199.

"It's an unexplored system in the Gradilis sector, right on the boundary between Wild Space and the Unknown Regions."

The planet being talked about there is Nirauan. It cleary states on the boundary of Wild Space [i]and[/i] the Unknown Regions. If you look at the NJO map, you can't possibly set Nirauan in the right place, due to the placement of Wild Space on the NJO map. And if what you say is true, about the map being used before the NJO, well then they should have been able to read, and find out where Nirauan is. It isnt that hard to make a map, that is accurate, since [i]Spectre of the Past[/i] came out in 1997 I believe. :-D


And if you say you have provided ample evidence that the map is accurate, I would like to say things. One, just because you say it was approved by Lucas Films, means that there aren't ANY errors? Because that is what I am getting from your post. You haven't provided any [i]clear[/i] evidence that the map is accurate. Now I [i]have[/i] provided evidence in ways that the map is inaccurate.

Now until you can provide evidence that the map is accurate, I will always say that it is inaccurate. I have provided three cases in which the map is inaccurate, you have only said things along the lines of "approved by Lucas Films so there cant be any mistakes."

So as I have said before, give me ample evidence that the map is as accurate as you say it it, and I might, might consider changing my views. But, I do not think you can change my view-point at all. I will stick by my view, with my cases, I have only further proved that it is inaccurate. All you have done is say it is "approved and there can't be errors."

[Yu Yu Hakusho!]

Damn...this thread sure has been around for a long time. I was a really huge fan of SW when the second movie came out. I was obsessed with Anakin (Hayden Christensen) just because of his cuteness. And I was blinded by that and I didn't notice his horrible acting skills. All that corny love dialouge.....*pukes*
He does not know how to make a girl fall in love.
Boy is Natalie Portman (Padme) stupid. I hate her too.

Sorry for being so negative...I've been wanting to say that for ages.....0_o

Not that I don't like Star Wars.

I just like the Lord of the Rings better! :p

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Now please look at this. I just did this with the NJO map. Now do not think that this is accurate but this at least can make the map [i]look[/i] accurate. In red, I drew the boundary of Wild Space. Sorry it is so crude and stuff. Now I do not know how large Wild Space is at all, so I just guess. But with this, Nirauan is actually where it is supposed to be, on the edges of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions.


Gyahhh......Attachment won't show up. Instant message me, and I will show it to you. I think it is too big of a file.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B]But yet, in my mind, you refuse to believe about the things wrong with the map. Just because the map has been used for whatever years, does not mean that it itself is accurate. One major flaw is the placement of Wild Space. And if i remember correctly, Adumar is on the edges of Wild Space, but it is placed near the Unknown Regions near the Imperial Remnant. Two flaws right there with that map. Now I know there are flaws with the maps I sent you. I will work hard to find the updated map, and PM, but I cant guarantee I will find it right away, I am getting ready for exams and what not. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green] What a coincidence. I have been re-reading my [B][I]X-Wing[/I][/B] books, and just today started [B][I]Starfighters of Audmar[/I][/B]. You are correct on your placement of Adumar on the galactic map, and here is the quote from the book that supports your statement:

General Cracken: "The world of Audmar is on the near edge of Wild Space."

However, Audmar is not on the NJO map. In fact, the world is so inconsequential that is doesn?t seem to be marked on any maps I own. I think you may have been looking at [I]Agamar[/I], which is indeed located near the Imperial Remnant.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[i]Spectre of the Past[/i] page 199.

"It's an unexplored system in the Gradilis sector, right on the boundary between Wild Space and the Unknown Regions."

The planet being talked about there is Nirauan. It cleary states on the boundary of Wild Space [i]and[/i] the Unknown Regions. If you look at the NJO map, you can't possibly set Nirauan in the right place, due to the placement of Wild Space on the NJO map. And if what you say is true, about the map being used before the NJO, well then they should have been able to read, and find out where Nirauan is. It isnt that hard to make a map, that is accurate, since [i]Spectre of the Past[/i] came out in 1997 I believe. [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]You are correct. Nirauan doesn?t seem to be placed where it is described in the [B][I]Hand of Thrawn Duology[/I][/B]. But I will address a possible solution to this later in my post.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo [/i]
[B] And if you say you have provided ample evidence that the map is accurate, I would like to say things. One, just because you say it was approved by Lucas Films, means that there aren't ANY errors? Because that is what I am getting from your post. You haven't provided any [i]clear[/i] evidence that the map is accurate. Now I [i]have[/i] provided evidence in ways that the map is inaccurate.
Now until you can provide evidence that the map is accurate, I will always say that it is inaccurate. I have provided three cases in which the map is inaccurate, you have only said things along the lines of "approved by Lucas Films so there cant be any mistakes."

So as I have said before, give me ample evidence that the map is as accurate as you say it it, and I might, might consider changing my views. But, I do not think you can change my view-point at all. I will stick by my view, with my cases, I have only further proved that it is inaccurate. All you have done is say it is "approved and there can't be errors." [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green] Mitth'raw'nuruodo I spent the last two days poring over my collection of Star Wars novels, searching for references that would prove your ideas wrong. In the following paragraphs I have tried to explain both the Wild Space/Unknown Regions discrepancy and prove that these fan made maps have the locations of their planets completely off. The following is the result of my research:

First some background information regarding publishing dates. I have been careful to exclude from my resources any book published after the NJO map, since the author may have used the map as a reference.

The first appearance of the NJO map was in 1999, when [I][B]Vector Prime[/B][/I] was published.

My map, which is a more complete, colorized, de-swirled version of that map was published in 2001.

I used one main source for the planet locations that follow. While considered juvenile by most hard core fans, including myself, the [I][B]Essential Guide to?[/B][/I] series does come in handy as a reference book. I used the [B][I]Essential Guide to Planets and Moons[/I][/B](published in 1998) to find out the locations of all the galaxies many planets. I then tried to corroborate this information with other sources.

I now have a long list of planets, and where their locations can be found. I don?t really feel like typing them all out, so here is a sample:

[B]Deep Core[/B]

Byss(former): Dark Empire I, published in 1995
Khomm: Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, published in 1998

[B]Core Worlds[/B]

Abregado-Rae: Heir to the Empire, published in 1991 and Dark Force rising, published in 1992
Alderaan(former):Graveyard of Alderaan, published in 1991
Chandrila: Star Wars Encyclopedia, published in 1998
Coruscant: "Described as the center of the universe, but scientists place it as slightly off, placing it in the core." Star Wars Encyclopedia, published in 1998
Kuat: Rogue Squadron, published in 1996
Ralltiir: Star Wars Encyclopedia in1991

If anyone would like to know more about a specific planet or system, feel free to PM me.

I am trusting a lot of reference books here, but I assume they are accurate because they were published before the NJO map and their information was gleaned from the novels.

[B]Part II: My Wild Space/Unknown regions theory[/B]

I think that more of Wild space is located in the "south" of the galaxy, while more of the Unknown Regions are located in the galaxy's "northern" portion. This is why, instead of being labeled as rings (Wild space separating the outer rim from wild space), the galaxy's "south" is labeled Wild Space and its "north" is labeled the unknown regions.

Here are the official definitions of what wild space and the unknown regions encompass.

[I]Wild Space[/I]
The frontier of the known galaxy, Wild Space is the ragged fringe separating civilization from the Unknown Regions. Planets such as Almania lie so far from the galactic centers they are virtually ignored.

Examples:
-Almania
-Pydyr

[I]Unknown Regions[/I]
Even after twenty five millennia of interstellar travel, much of the galaxy remains unexplored. Scouting missions were drastically curtailed during the height of the Empire, though Grand Admiral Thrawn spent many years mapping portions of the unknown regions. Recent attacks from unfamiliar foes such as the Ssi-ruuvi Emporium have helped convince the New Republic that further exploration of this area is a military necessity.

Examples:
-Lwhekk


I also would like it if you could show me where you got that NJO map you e-mailed me. I want an unaltered copy for myself ;)[/COLOR]