idiotic things that people say about relationships

[desertranger]

And love isn't some kind of scientific, quantifiable thing that can be measured.[COLOR=DarkRed] Rin has posted that time and time again here. Has anybody listened to what she says? you can't put a number on a relationship.[/COLOR]

it's just that in most girls perfect worlds, her guy will be totally committed to her, because he loves her absolutely for who she is.[COLOR=DarkRed] This is true, and it does work for most people for awhile and many others for a lifetime. I think that many times the fairy tale that made you for each other turned to dross somewhere.[/COLOR]


I think you can to a degree choose who you fall in love with.[COLOR=DarkRed] Forget it, you have no choice in who you fall in love with. It either happens or it doesn't. Love can and does grow over time for some but not for most.[/COLOR]

So...you can choose who to fall in love with and who to be attracted to?[COLOR=DarkRed] I didn't choose Rin or she me. We found each other there was no choice involved. [/COLOR]

The few relationships I had before I met Rin were the same way, we met, fell in love and eventually out of love and apart, it just wasn't "true enough" that was when I found that love can be temporary "a fleeting thing". That love wasn't meant to happen.

If you think you have a choice about love, you're crazy. I met Rin one evening and before that evening was over I was trapped. In love with the most beautiful girl in the world. I wanted to protect this flower from wilting under the hate that is/was her family. I want to keep her; as a doll, mate, toy, in bed, out of bed it doesn''t matter. I wanted Rin and she me. That has now gone on for a long long time and nothing has changed except we have gotten older, have kids,a home and jobs. We are still each others lovers/toys/dolls/lifemates. I look at other women, I wouldn't be normal if I didn't. I even flirt with some of them at the alamo or at a party or event and some with me, Rin does it to. we both know it's not serious but only a game. You can't stop it, it's natural. she knows that and so do I. It's at the end of the day however, when you are ready for bed and about to turn out the lights that you look at your spouse, wife, mate, significant other and you realise like I do; If Rin were not here I would probably kill myself. A separation, her leaving, would be devastating. Her death even more so. I can face my own death and have done so before; in battle, on a rescue. I cannot face hers, not even the thought if it. It can and has left me incapacitated. Even now as I write this Rin is my life and I have no control over it. If we did we might have divorced years ago. As it is we [i]are[/i] devoted to each other totally and should anyone or anything try to come between us there is going to be a lot of bodies stacked up.

It is a plain and simple truth. Mess with Rin, you mess with me and put your life in my hands.

[quote="Ranger"]
...when she told him (biker) to "get your filthy paws off of me" he made the mistake of threatening her and later followed Rin to the parking lot and cornered her by my truck. Mistake! Big mistake![/quote]

11 years ago this happened. He was lucky I wasn't packing heat or I would have blown his damn [size=1]and [i]that[/i] is not an engineering project to hold water[/size] head off. As it was I hit him with the largest and heaviest thing I could get my hands on, a rock, I hit him in the back of the head knocking him down flat out then kicked him in the ribs and stomped his arm. breaking both. His friends ran, again, if I had been packing heat I would have fired at them and as you know I don't miss. As it was there the sheriff to deal with and a trip to court but Rin was safe. And that's the kicker, [b] Rin was and is safe.[/b] Why? Because I truly love her. She is my life. I keep myself safe so she won't have to go thru that either.

Now back to stupid things. stop, think before you start running at the mouth. don't do that, try to understand each other. aplogies are a fact of life when you are in love, lots of them. It took a 19 year old girl to teach? find? me. I'm not about to lose this. If you want your relation to last you have to do more than understand each other, you have to learn from each other, you have to be each other. If you feel you are not worthy to lick her boots you're in the right place.

Now that I have written this (see I can be wordy like Adahn) and since she's home late tonight there will be a candle light dinner waiting, a favorite dish, no! some fav dishes with a nice wine, and she and me and us. Ranger and Rin; together we. I really like that.


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[wiccansamurai]

Well, my friend Nathan tried to put his arm around me when I was watching anime with him. I have a boyfriend, though he didn't know that, so I told him that. Today he said "I'm sorry for trying to start stuff Friday. Its just I was pissed at Melanie." Melanie is his ex.

This was extremely stupid. There's only two possible reasons for him saying this I can think of. The first is that he really was pissed off at his ex, and wanted to get back at her by hitting on me in the privacy of my living room. This would have not made her jealous, as she already told me I could have him if I want. The only other reason is that maybe he DOES like me and needed a macho excuse after getting turned down. That was dumb because if he does like me, he just told me the only reason he'd hit on me is to piss off an ex.

That and my friend Kyle said he was going out with Vanessa because she's "Basically Nathan without the penis." O_o (Excuse my language.)

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I guess the most idiotic thing that I can think of right now off the top of my head is when my roommates tell me that Ryan treats me like crap and that he is SO horrible for me and that I'm just blinded by love and ONE DAY I'll see the mistake I've been making.

For the past three years.

And this is coming from the people who can barely hang onto the relationships they are in. I'm sorry, but my boyfriend has never even called me a name. EVER. No matter how mad he's gotten at me in any circumstance. That's more than I can say for some people. And I've noticed a great change in him lately that makes my heart melt for him more than it did when we first met and I knew that I wanted to be with him. (I guess that's what James said, huh?)

So much for being blinded by love. I may be DEEPLY in love, but I assure you, it doens't blind me in the least.[/color][/size]

[desertranger]

Love is not blind.

It is the people who disapprove of your love that are.

How many times a day to you say to yours I love you?

[IMG]http://home.earthlink.net/~frogstar/images/hello_my_love.png[/IMG]

Even for me not enough.

I love you Lady Rin and nothing shall ever come between us except death.

[Guest splender01]

when someone says they promise they will never hurt you then they dump you the next day. :flaming:

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=darkviolet]Hmm....well, there's the one where the guy goes 'You're the only one for me' and he's cheating on you with two other girls because you go to school out of town. I really love that one.

Or when the guy blames you for cheating. Yet another classic which is right up there with saying that the reason he cheated is just because he is a guy. Well, at least he didn't say it wasn because he was a man, because men don't cheat.

And then of course as I mentioned before there's the time my ex told me I should be nicer to him when he was cheating on me. Yes, I had one crapper of a relationship before I met Lincoln, the man who's nice enough to want to buy me a horse for christmas.[/color]

[desertranger]

[quote name='"ChibiHorsewoman"']... to buy me a horse for christmas[/quote]

you don't want a horse. believe me.

This thread has shown me something very important. How fortunate I am to have the relationship I do and that I do not appreciate it enough.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE=desertranger] you don't want a horse. believe me.
[/QUOTE]


[color=darkviolet]Actually, i do. But we're not ready to take on the extra expenses at this moment. But I've been riding fr 12 years and know my way around them very well.[/color]

[quote name='desertranger']This thread has shown me something very important. How fortunate I am to have the relationship I do and that I do not appreciate it enough. [/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Yeah, me too. In four years I went from some low life jerk who's biggest job right now is pushing carts to a great guy with a job that's going some where and a beautiful baby girl. I think our old roomies ex girl friend was jealous of me, because I had Lincoln and she had a giuy that made her iron his uniforms[/color]

[evillilwinch]

I know...like...you are too young for that person. WEll...age is just numbers right? I mean if you are truly in love with someone.age shouldnt matter.

[wiccansamurai]

Oooooh, I got a whopper. So, I found out that me (now ex)boyfriend cheated on me. I was distressed and sad. I called him and asked him to explain, seeing as there were three witnesses because two of my friends walked in on them.

"I don't know. I might have done it I don't remember. Maybe I have multiple personality disorder, and my other personality did it?"


Yes. He said that. Me and my friends have been making fun of alternate personalities since.

[Xander Harris]

Idiotic things people say:

"X and Y would make SUCH A CUTE COUPLE!!!" often said by happily dating drippy females.

It's even more annoying when you are the X they are talking about. Whether you like the girl they think would be so 'cute' for you or not.

[foreverinfinity]

[QUOTE=Xander Harris]Idiotic things people say:

"X and Y would make SUCH A CUTE COUPLE!!!" often said by happily dating drippy females.

It's even more annoying when you are the X they are talking about. Whether you like the girl they think would be so 'cute' for you or not.[/QUOTE]

That happened to me twice... and it was scary. once it was me as x and y was this guy who was my partner in a tech project and they just had to say it when BOTH of us were there. The other was me being x and y being this kid in study hall who was a year younger then me. it was so annoying.

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Amazingly, Lady Rin quoted exactly what I said, [i]but still failed to see the meaning of it[/i]. I didn't ask her how old she was, so you can all go to hell.

[quote name='Baron']And question for you Lady Rin...what is the age difference between you and... 'Ranger'?[/quote]

All she had to say was '17 years'. So, I resent every single one of you for your comments about my lacking in 'etiquette' and 'manners'. Read the words, people.

And, 14 [when Rin started going out with Ranger] would have made him 31. Now, how strange is a 14 year old going out with a 31 year old sounding? Later on in life, that kind of age difference is acceptable, but I would feel disconcerted if I knew someone around my age who was dating somone more than twice hers.

Oh, and to add something more to my first paragraph, I'm sooo scared of 'time-out', Ranger.[/size]

[Lunai]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]Amazingly, Lady Rin quoted exactly what I said, [i]but still failed to see the meaning of it[/i]. I didn't ask her how old she was, so you can all go to hell.



All she had to say was '17 years'. So, I resent every single one of you for your comments about my lacking in 'etiquette' and 'manners'. Read the words, people.

And, 14 [when Rin started going out with Ranger] would have made him 31. Now, how strange is a 14 year old going out with a 31 year old sounding? Later on in life, that kind of age difference is acceptable, but I would feel disconcerted if I knew someone around my age who was dating somone more than twice hers.

Oh, and to add something more to my first paragraph, I'm sooo scared of 'time-out', Ranger.[/size][/QUOTE]

[font=georgia][color=blue][i]Hold, on Baron. Before you get all upset at people telling you about etiquette, understand that Rin said it was rude to ask anything that implied a woman's age, and that a woman might be offended. Asking the age difference between a woman & her husband is most definately directly related to her age, is it not?

And Rin & Ranger did not start dating when she was 14, I know this for [b]fact[/b]. She was 19 years old, an adult for all intents and purposes. Geeze. :grumble: [/font][/color][/i]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1][quote name='Lady Rin']Laura L. told me that I was really to young to have a long term relationship with Ranger. She also once asked Ranger didn't he think I was a little too young for him. I heard that and I told her that we had been going together since I was 14.[/quote]
[quote name='Lunai]And Rin & Ranger did not start dating when she was 14, I know this for [B]fact[/B'].[/quote]
Might not know them as well as you think then.

[quote name='Lunai']Hold, on Baron. Before you get all upset at people telling you about etiquette, understand that Rin said it was rude to ask anything that implied a woman's age, and that a woman might be offened. Asking the age difference between a woman & her husband is most definately directly related to her age, is it not?[/quote]
Of course it is. But her reference to it in her post made it a fair enough question to ask. Therefore it isn't rude. You'd think people would realise that, but I guess not, hey. Kind of disappointing overall, I'd say.

[quote name='desertranger']The dumbest thing? Baron Samedi asking Rins age. I'm surprised she didn't put you into time out.[/quote]

Point proven. Its disappointing the amount of people who are blinded by impressions rather than fact.[/size]

[Lunai]

[font=georgia][color=blue][i]Knowing Rin, I'd have to say that her comment to Laura L. was [b]sarcasm[/b]. And to be honest, I was surprised that everyone else didn't realize it was too. I'm sure Laura might not have, but Rin's post as I remember was pointing out how much of a fool Laura was in general.[/font][/color][/i]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Well, there was no indication of that in her post. Maybe she was being sarcastic, but if she was, it was pretty useless. And it isn't as if 19 and 36 are all that close either. I'm amazed to see you didn't find some other way to 'prove me wrong' on my other points too. Could I possibly [just possibly] be correct?[/size]

[Lunai]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1]Well, there was no indication of that in her post. Maybe she was being sarcastic, but if she was, it was pretty useless. And it isn't as if 19 and 36 are all that close either. I'm amazed to see you didn't find some other way to 'prove me wrong' on my other points too. Could I possibly [just possibly'] be correct?[/size][/quote]
[font=georgia][color=blue][i]I'm not trying to prove you wrong, on one point or the other. Only trying to steer you from making a factual statement from something that is not fact in the first place.

Your other points, as you put it, are valid, because they are your [u]opinions[/u] concerning other people's reactions. I have to in fact remember that according to My Otaku you are only 15. And my original post in response to you was only an attempt to get you to see where other members where coming from in their comments regarding your manners.

However, since I am quite sure that I've known Rin much longer than any other Otaku member, I can with some assurace say that no, you are not correct.[/font][/color][/i]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]To get back to the roots of this disagreement, Lady Rin may have had a shot at my 'manners', and Ranger definitely did. Was that fair and justified? No, but my question was. Unless my question was irrelevant or rude [which it was neither] then I didn't deserve to be 'talked to' like that.

And, as a side-note, did you ever refer to yourself as 'only 15' at the time? I don't think so. Just remember that age is no indication of maturity, won't you?[/size]

[Lunai]

[font=georgia][color=blue][i]At the time I did often think of myself as "only 15"...perhaps not for the reasons you might think, but I'll not get into that here or now.

I cannot speak on what is not fair...fair & justified in this instance is, to me, an issue of point of view. From your point of view, it wasn't. I'm sorry you feel that way, even though I was not one of the members to comments on your manners, or lack thereof. At this point I am only happy to have clarified the matter regarding Rin's age when she met Ranger...a 31 year old Ranger dating a 14 year old Rin is an image that is innaccurate, and one I didn't wish to be held in common opinion of him, as his friend.[/font][/color][/i]

[Lady_Rin]

[QUOTE="Baron Samed"]The dumbest thing? Baron Samedi asking Rins age.

I'm surprised she didn't put you into time out. [/QUOTE]

Ranger is not always the most tactful person. The fact that he has any manners at all is the product of his rigorous training on my part.

Ranger was actually correct. It alright for a lady to make reference to her age but not for a man to ask about it even after she has made reference to it. So I shall ask what is your age since you know mine? Are you male or female, it's hard to tell online.

[QUOTE="Baron Samedi"]
Oh, and to add something more to my first paragraph, I'm sooo scared of 'time-out',[/QUOTE]

[quote name='"Narrator"'] Lady Rin is now pontificating.[/quote]

I think you miss the point of this. It works elsewhere and on several forums not just limited to anime, ask Lunai. People now try to avoid timeout. The incidence of coarse language has dropped off making it more suitable for children and for some reason I have seen spelling and grammar have improved. Timeout is an expression of disapproval, lack of manners, coarse language and mistakes from minor to serous. There have been two times when I virtually washed someones mouth out with soap for filthy language. While some people didn't like it and tried to defend the use of such language it dropped off almost immediatley. It worked! There is nothing wrong with etiquette, manners and just generally being a nice person. The goal here is to make you think where did I make a mistake or what did I do wrong, am I offending people? I thinks that's fair. After all what you do here directly reflects on what you do out there even though we live here in a virtual world as well as the real one.

Back to the topic as this is a perfect example of things said about relationships

Addressed to all of you, Don't you think you should treat this virtual world as a real one? I do, you are as real as my neightbors even if you only are a data stream. We interact with each other (a relationship) and get flustered and angry (e.g.Barons reply), mis-understand what other people are trying to say, even more so than out here and attempt to create a nice neighborhood where we don't have to worry about the bikers [size=1]metaphorical reference[/size]. In that case I would think that the commonly accepted rules of behaivor would be the same here. Or is behavior in here different from behavior out there. Is the virtual world allowed to have a different set of rules about how we conduct ourselves than the real one.

We have been talking about personal relationships in this thread and not paying attention to social relationships and the gaffs there. Those relationships are as important, possibly more, as one of love is for your significant other.

eg: Barons question to me [size=1]don't get your panties in bunch, this is just an example since it's here, it's not about you.[/size]

You boss is a female and you ask her that or some other dumb personal question the way the Baron did. What is her reaction going to be? What do you think will happen to that relationship? The relationship between my dept head and I is a strained one. She has written me up twice this year. She would like to terminate me but she can't, she as much as said so. Why? She's seven years younger than I, tall, good looking, big boobs and dresses well like a professional business woman even though she is a geologist. She has nothing to be afraid from me and I don't want her job. I'm not a physical threat, I'm small with tiny boobs, happy in my position, except for her, and I get raises every year even though my reviews are poorly coloured by her.

She's jealous and I know why, everybody here has told me. She doesn't like my carefree atitude (says I should grow up), I dress like a schoolgirl sometimes (not midi blouse uniforms) or wear a pretty dress, sending people on my team into timeout for disipline instead of writing them up, that I have more respect than she and that I dress and act like a lady ALWAYS, she swears here. This prevents me from getting promotions and creates a lot of friction in the workplace. This has been going on ever since she came here five years ago; I've been here eight and I have seniority and tenure, yet I have to listen to this single bimbo who is always trying to destroy the relationship between my staff and myself. Dumb things said about relationships? You should hear her. I would never say the things she says or jump on any staffer in public the way she does much less her language. Now for the kicker. Every year after several drinks at the dept. Christmas party she makes passes at Ranger, girls in the office say she talks about him and wants him and that makes me more than a little angry. Can I show that anger? No it would erode and already fragile relationship. I have to have manners and show etiquette.

[b] Manners dictate[/b] that I be polite and not create a scene, especially in public, although I would like to rip out her hair and call her several expletives that I never say.

She once said to me that Ranger had a great bottom (she put it differently). If I react and overstep my bounds I could lose my job, tenure or not.

[b]Etiquette dictates[/b] to be careful what you say and how you say it. These days it's called PC.

[b]So what can I do?[/b] I walk over and stand by Ranger and taking is arm. Maybe kiss him on the cheek, smile and and say politely "Would you excuse us please? There is someone I would like Ranger to meet" then just walk away pulling Ranger with me.

I could also walk up to Ranger take his arm, listern for a moment, then give him a sweet lovers kiss. Say what I have to and leave. This reminds her; he's mine and I haven't broken any rules of etiquette depending on how I kiss him. I think a french kiss would be considered a major breach of etiquette.

Relationships are important everywhere, at home, work, play. With your boy/girlfriend, spouse, children, friends, neighbors, co-workers. Oh yes, and here in our virtual world. Manners and etiquette make relationships easier. BTW: At the Alamo I can just walk up to any bimbo hitting on Ranger and say "Hands off he's mine" and I can glare at her. Slapping her is also acceptable if the situation warrants it.

Now I have a few questions.
What would you do in a similar situation. Some bimbo or bimbette is making passes at your man or vice-versa

Baron, are you in a relationship? Tell us about it if you would please. Also what dumb things have you said to her/him. Maybe your last major public gaff.

Rangers last major breach of both was at the mayors Halloween party when a politician known for his wandering hands decided to wander on me. He cornered him together with his wife and told his wife to keep him under control then told him if he didn't keep his wandering hands to himself he would break his fingers. Unfortunately it was heard by a lot of the wrong people. Fortunately his reputation sort of protects him. After all he is one of the good guys.

I think I'm finished now, *takes a deep breath* that was a lot of work.

Thank you very much for your patience and attendance. Class dismissed go now outside and play it's a beautiful day today and we're off to the Tamale Festival. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/desertranger/lol.gif[/IMG]

P.S. It shall be interesting to see the response to this.

Toodles. *she gaily leaves LOL*

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1][quote name='Rin']Ranger was actually correct. It alright for a lady to make reference to her age but not for a man to ask about it even after she has made reference to it. So I shall ask what is your age since you know mine? Are you male or female, it's hard to tell online.[/quote]
Considering the 'Baron' part of my name, I think it would be logical to assume that I am a guy, which I am, and that I am 15. Now, I will explain [again!] why asking about your age [i]difference[/i] was fair game. You said that this Laura L was shocked by the age difference between you and Ranger, and that you had been going together since you were 14. Now, we want to know [i]why[/i] Laura was shocked, don't we? If you weren't going to tell us, someone was going to have to ask, because such a question is important. Did Laura have reason to be shocked or not? As a young person [14 or 19 or whatever the case may be] I would most definitely consider 17 years to be [i]too large a gap[/i]. This is simply because one partners age is roughly double anothers. Now, it would depend upon the people in the relationship, and once you are 19 what you do [i]is[/i] your own business, but I would likely view that relationship as innapropriate. Does nobody agree with me?

As for 'time-out', the whole point of something like that is that people must care about their online selves, and care about the person who is putting them in 'time-out'. And frankly, I care about my online self, but I don't care about 'time-out'. Especially as I did nothing wrong. I think Ranger should be put in 'time-out' to take a look at his suitability in his choice of replies.

Bet he doesn't even care that I said that.

You see, I know I am in the right. This is 2004, not some dated time-period, and the definitions of manners and etiquette has changed. And I dare you to say that I have no manners.

[quote name='Rin']mis-understand what other people are trying to say[/quote]
Which you have done on occasion, don't be shy about it.

[quote name='Rin']You boss is a female and you ask her that or some other dumb personal question the way the Baron did.[/quote]
If my boss had brought up that when she was young, a friend of hers was shocked at the age difference between her and her partner, if she didn't mention the age difference herself [which clever people would], I would ask her.

And the thing is, it would be OK to ask her. About the [i]age difference[/i].

Which proves my case.

[quote=Rin]Now I have a few questions.
What would you do in a similar situation. Some bimbo or bimbette is making passes at your man or vice-versa[/quote]
Who says I need to do anything? I would stand protectively near my partner, but I would trust in my partner.

[quote name='Rin']Baron, are you in a relationship? Tell us about it if you would please. Also what dumb things have you said to her/him. Maybe your last major public gaff.[/quote]
No, I'm not in a relationship at the moment.[/size]

[Seibzeihn]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1]As a young person [14 or 19 or whatever the case may be'] I would most definitely consider 17 years to be too large a gap. This is simply because one partners age is roughly double anothers. Now, it would depend upon the people in the relationship, and once you are 19 what you do is your own business, but I would likely view that relationship as innapropriate. Does nobody agree with me?[/size][/quote]

[color=navy][font=garamond]I'm probably going to regret throwing in my two cents on this whole deal...ahh well.

I happen to agree with thee, Baron. Moreso if 14 was the age at which the dating began (since there are statutory rape laws until you reach age 18, though I'm by no means implying that the above mentioned (Rin and Ranger) had sexual relations at this time, since I doubt that they did (since both seem like reasonable people). I was merely bringing that up to show what the law/government believes is the correct time to take that step). As soon as you get to age 18, whatever you do is no one's business but your own. However, there are societal norms that attempt to dictate a limit for age differences in a relationship. For example, a 20-year age difference is considerered unacceptable, whereas a 4-year age difference is fine. While not everyone may necessarily agree with this, there must be a reason that such a norm exists, no? Perhaps it's just because a larger majority of people agree with it.

Am I saying that this is the end-all be-all? No, by no means. I am simply offering forth another view on such age-differences.

I think this norm is in place because many people associate age with maturity. For example, it's hard to believe that a 14-year-old would have the level of maturity necessary to be in a relationship with a 31-year-old. (Once again, however, I am not saying that such a thing is impossible). I'm not exactly sure why people don't like older men dating younger girls -- I've heard a number of things, such as 'then the man will be more apt to take advantage of her' and such. But who am I to say? Anyone care to share some opinions on why it's not socially acceptable for a sixteen-year-old girl to date a thirty-six year old guy?

Ehh...lost my train of thought. Curses.

H'anyways, for those of you that this does work out for, kudos to you! Ranger and Rin, I admire your strength and dedication to each other, and I can tell you are both very much in love. Props to thee ^^[/color][/font]

[Retribution]

You bring up a good point. There are cultural norms that are in place, but why, I have no idea.

I think the reason why 14 year olds don't regularly date 31 year olds in mainly because of conflict of interests. Neither one is remotely interested in what the other does for a living, hobbies, free time, etc. There is also the maturity issue, and I sort of doubt that a 14 year old is as mature as a 31 year old. There may be a few, but not too many.

[wiccansamurai]

I have to agree with Baron. We wouldn't have known you're age jus by knowing the age difference, and Baron was just wondering if there was a reason for the girl to be shocked. I never understood the whole "Never ask a lady abou her age" thing anyway. If it bothers you so much, just do what my aunt did and be 29 for 14 years.

My friend did a dumb thing with his girlfriend. My other friend suggested he try to get a more emotional bond than pyhsical with this girlfriend. So when the girlfriend did something that made him unhappy, he poured out is feelings about it and about her. For four hours. After a month of going out, saying how much he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. And so on. :rolleyes: