idiotic things that people say about relationships

[Brasil]

[quote name='Adahn']proof of maturity[/quote]
What, calling cards? Photo IDs?

"I am 13 years of age. Please do not approach me to engage in any sexual relations with me"?

[i]Come on[/i]. Proof of maturity, my -ss. Written proof? Identification cards to state that it's inappropriate? How about the pure and simple fact that the 13-year-old girl is 13-years-old? Or how about the pure and simple fact that she's playing on her Middle School's playground?

That isn't proof enough? lol Come on.

[Adahn]

[font=Courier New][size=2][color=blue]Obtaining this 'proof' would ultimately be the parents' decision. If you can think of parents willing to send their 13 year old daughter to the doctor in the hopes of finding out she's sexually mature, I'd agree with you on that point. Oh, and the last time I had a playground was 5th grade, so if you could tell me of a school where 8th graders get recess, please tell me so I can spoil my children effectively.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]This puts more control in the hands of the parent. Now, if they don't want their 16 year old daughter to have sex, all they have to do is not allow her to be tested. Also, it protects 16 year olds who aren't ready for that sort of relationship.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Of course emotional maturity can't be assessed, but physical maturity can. When someone is sexually mature, is that person still a child?[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Before driver's licenses were required, do you think people were happy about having to be tested? I'm not a history person, but I'm sure many people were unhappy at the least. The purpose of determining physical maturity is to protect those who aren't ready for sex, and allow those who are ready to have sex to do so.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Also, by physically determining whether someone is a child or not, by the definition of pedophilia, it is no longer applicable.[/color][/size][/font]
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[Solo Tremaine]

[QUOTE=Adahn][font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff] Also, it protects 16 year olds who aren't ready for that sort of relationship.[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Of course emotional maturity can't be assessed, but physical maturity can. When someone is sexually mature, is that person still a child?[/color][/size][/font][/QUOTE][color=#503f86]It still seems too hard a plan to try and implement. The main reason so many underage pregnancies happen is lack of proper education about the subject. But even then, having to test wether someone's ready or not just doesn't work, because the standards of the tests won't apply to everyone who takes them, in just the same way that IQ tests only measure your ability to answer IQ tests.

[/color][QUOTE][color=#503f86][color=#0000ff][size=2][font=Courier New]The purpose of determining physical maturity is to protect those who aren't ready for sex, and allow those who are ready to have sex to do so.[/font][/size][/color]

[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Also, by physically determining whether someone is a child or not, by the definition of pedophilia, it is no longer applicable.[/color][/size][/font][/color][/QUOTE][color=#503f86]Unfortunately as soon as a girl has her first period, it signals the beginnings of her life as a fertile, reproductive person. And the hormones that come with it help facilitate the need to be a reproductive person. Regardless of whether they're ready or not people will be driven to do what their bodies want them to do. Restricting them without any explanation as to what's heppening won't solve the problem- it's just a needless barrier. All they need is to be told in full what's happening and for them to make their own choices and not be pressured into it by those around them, specifically images in the media and false messages sent out by the government.

The UK government's handing out cards to allow girls of 11 to get condoms to try and combat underage pregnancies. Eleven. Does that seem right? Regardless of the fact that a girl may be start to be hormonally receptive, what people aren't doing is providing them with the fundamental details about sex and its consequences- they're just trying to stop them from getting pregnant. It's a lack of education that causes the problems, and the fact that everyone want to seem to have everything done for them already. Apathy was recently voted one of the newest 'seven deadly sins'. I wonder why...

But trying to keep an Orwellian check on every single person is plain impractical. If children are properly taught about sex and its social and emotional consequences it shouldn't be a problem, because they'll know and understand when they're ready for it, at whatever age they may be.

But what on Earth did this have to do with 'idiotic things that people say about relationships'? This is getting heavily off-topic.[/color]

[Brasil]

[QUOTE=Adahn]Obtaining this 'proof' would ultimately be the parents' decision. If you can think of parents willing to send their 13 year old daughter to the doctor in the hopes of finding out she's sexually mature, I'd agree with you on that point.

This puts more control in the hands of the parent. Now, if they don't want their 16 year old daughter to have sex, all they have to do is not allow her to be tested. Also, it protects 16 year olds who aren't ready for that sort of relationship.[/quote]What are you talking about? Going to the doctor to find out if their child is ready to have sex? "Tested"? You're spewing nonsense, Adahn. Stop trying to sound smart.

[QUOTE]Oh, and the last time I had a playground was 5th grade, so if you could tell me of a school where 8th graders get recess, please tell me so I can spoil my children effectively.[/QUOTE]I don't see how your "point" here has any bearing whatsoever on both the topic at hand, and my original point, which was the fact that the girl playing on her school's playground should immediately be an indicator that engaging in a sexual relationship with her is wrong.


[QUOTE]Of course emotional maturity can't be assessed, but physical maturity can. When someone is sexually mature, is that person still a child?

Also, by physically determining whether someone is a child or not, by the definition of pedophilia, it is no longer applicable.[/QUOTE]Are you implying that a 16-year-old isn't a child? They're under 18, therefore, a minor, therefore, a child. Are you advocating "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"? I should hope you aren't.


[QUOTE]Before driver's licenses were required, do you think people were happy about having to be tested? I'm not a history person, but I'm sure many people were unhappy at the least. The purpose of determining physical maturity is to protect those who aren't ready for sex, and allow those who are ready to have sex to do so.[/QUOTE]I don't see how driver's licenses relate at all here, because you're talking about operating a moving vehicle that requires time spent behind the wheel, evaluations, eye exams, etc. Only after one passes those criteria does one get issued a driver's license. You're advocating a sexual intercourse license, and that is utter bullsh-t.

You've said before that you won't pretend to know enough about society to present any idea that's remotely applicable to society, so stop pretending. And if you continue to post with no substance at all, with sentences and paragraphs that mean absolutely nothing, and have no real value to them, that's spam, and is a violation of the Rules of OB.

EDIT: Well, Solo, Adahn's nonsense here is the precise example of the "idiotic things that people say about relationships."

[Lady_Rin]

First my apology’s for not answering sooner. It rained Sunday and as always the phones stopped working, this time during my post. I kept the page open to finish my response. The world seems perverse today, as I can’t get to work either.

I am always willing to stand and apologize. Please accept it. I am not offended at all. Neither should you be. This started as do many things with two comments based on the original question. Dumb things heard/said about relationships.

The first was Baron (hi there Baron, how are you?) asking my age or the difference.

[quote name='"Ranger responded with"'] The dumbest thing? Baron Samedi asking Rins age.[/quote]

Ranger’s comment and opinion, not mine. I did not bring up my age and readily stated that and the difference between us. I do not subscribe to the dogma that you think I do. I am also at peace with myself for the most part and that has a lot to do with my reaction to that question. However I know lots of women who do subscribe to that dogma and who do react unfavorably when asked. It is extremely prevalent far more than you think despite women’s equality etc..

The Baron asked "Why?" So I answered as impartially as I could along with the question on why grown men shouldn’t be taking little girls to bed. I referred to a book. I did not state my opinion; I answered a question from a book of etiquette, which I use for more than what we are talking about. After all everyone should say please and thank you.

Will you please start living in reality? (I shall do reality on another thread, OK?)

Why? I do what works for me, my family and our community. For the most part it works. It's not 100% but it is certainly in the upper 80s. As a parent certainly I like polite children with clean rooms. I really don't like hearing a string of expletives as can be heard on the CDs many teens listen to today. The reality is I can and do keep it out of my home along with excessively violent video games, controlled access to TV and a lot more. My children respect that. I don't hear the language from what they listen to at home as much as I hear it in public. That doesn't meant they don't listen, they do. They also play the games and watch the TV I disapprove of, I know this, Mom’s aren’t stupid. They do it where I can’t hear or see it. I also don't say they can't listen to it. I guess my reward is they don’t do drugs and they haven’t pierced their bodies. They also do their chores without being asked.

*patiently*
The discussion then turned to social relationships based on the original question as to how someone else might react. Again I gave examples of what I see or read. My personal opinion is; if you want is deny your age, stuff your face with botulism and do whatever other body restructuring you want to, go ahead your only kidding yourself about your age and that's going to make your getting older harder when you really start to loose your innocent blush and doctors and toxins don't help anymore. Most women I know fight tooth and nail to stay young, hide their age and don't ever make a reference to it, these are professional women most of them in their 30s. I feel I still have my innocent blush and my health probably due to my accepting myself and not dosing myself with toxins. That too is reality.

Now bear in mind our own generation gap here (another thread?). I grew up in a time and place that formally taught etiquette and manners, as did Ranger. He still calls some people sir or mamm, he doesn’t have to. Opens the car door, holds a chair for me. Walks on the outside when we are walking down the street. Do you know why that is? He does a lot more as well. Again, he doesn’t have to; he just does it without thinking. It’s automatic. That means he will never let an expletive slip from his mouth in front of a client even if he’s angry and does have a very colourful vocabulary he can use. Unfortunately a few guides in the past have done just that, get angry and swear in front of a guest. That means immediate dismissal, no second chance. It’s bad for business to use foul language, even “damn” or lose your temper in front of our guests. That problem BTW is mostly among the younger guides, those <25 and the interns, mostly college students and teens. We are all a product of our own generation and culture and even so there is still a level of etiquette and manners from one to the next especially in business and the workplace, much less than at home and school. People don't get hired based on appearance, attitude and lack of etiquette and manners. People do get fired for lack of the same. It’s a fact of life and you can't get away with it. It is also a fact of life someone with manners who knows what fork to use or holds a door will do better in life, even if they are cutthroat and mean as a person, than someone who doesn't.

You’re right; my friends and co-workers do say I have a somewhat unrealistic, cheerful and naive outlook and attitude toward life. I would like to know what's wrong with that. I'm very happy with my life. I try to spread joy and cheer all year long among friends, co-workers and family. I try to help my community. I get hurt and I cry over beautiful simple things gone forever like the extinction of butterflies in the desert canyons. Have you ever cried over something like that? For no other reason than they’re gone? I have my problems like Mrs H and Laura, I even lost control Saturday and called Laura a drunken b__ch and wh__e then slapped her in public after she tried to manhandle my husband at a holiday party Saturday night. So you see, I have my limits as well. I choose to be a nice sweet person because I grew up with hate and anger and with punishment so horrific that it might be subject for yet another thread. I also get a certain perverse pleasure out of being “Polly Perfect” or ”Sarah Sweet” especially where Mrs H and Laura are involved. However, and I have said this millions of times; I am truly happy, my husband loves me as do my children. I have made a lovely home in 21 years, good career and have the respect of this peaceful community. So even with the conflicts in my life I really can’t ask for more. And that [i] is[/i] reality.

This is my last post in this thread. It has been beaten to death. Let’s go find something else argue, talk about or share. Five minutes or a full half hour anyone? (Esoteric reference to what?)

[Sara]

[QUOTE=Xander Harris]Idiotic things people say:

"X and Y would make SUCH A CUTE COUPLE!!!" often said by happily dating drippy females.

It's even more annoying when you are the X they are talking about. Whether you like the girl they think would be so 'cute' for you or not.[/QUOTE][size=1]If you're a guy, wouldn't you be the "Y" part of that equation? ^_~

Apparently one of my high school friends once commented that myself and my crush at the time would make a "very scary" couple. (I learned this a week or two ago from the guy I had a crush on, heh.)

[quote=wiccan samurai]Well, my friend Nathan tried to put his arm around me when I was watching anime with him. I have a boyfriend, though he didn't know that, so I told him that. Today he said "I'm sorry for trying to start stuff Friday. Its just I was pissed at Melanie." Melanie is his ex.

This was extremely stupid. There's only two possible reasons for him saying this I can think of. The first is that he really was pissed off at his ex, and wanted to get back at her by hitting on me in the privacy of my living room. This would have not made her jealous, as she already told me I could have him if I want. The only other reason is that maybe he DOES like me and needed a macho excuse after getting turned down. That was dumb because if he does like me, he just told me the only reason he'd hit on me is to piss off an ex.[/quote]Really? I think it's somewhat admirable that he apologized. Of course, I am rather removed from the situation. But it sounds like he felt bad and wanted to make amends. And not that "the only reason he'd hit on" you was because he was angry--if someone's flirting with you, chances are they genuinely like you, regardless of what actually inspired them to act on the feeling.

takin' care of business,
Sara[/size]

[wiccansamurai]

[QUOTE=Lore]

Really? I think it's somewhat admirable that he apologized. Of course, I am rather removed from the situation. But it sounds like he felt bad and wanted to make amends. And not that "the only reason he'd hit on" you was because he was angry--if someone's flirting with you, chances are they genuinely like you, regardless of what actually inspired them to act on the feeling.

takin' care of business,
Sara[/size][/QUOTE]
Heh, I'm actually going out with Nathan now. And, its just that it sounded incredibly dumb when you overthink stuff like I do. And, really, Nathan flirts with a lot of girls, thouhg for a while it had mostly been me. :love: I'm in a great mood. Me and him just started going out today.

[Brasil]

[quote name='Lady_Rin]Ranger?s comment and opinion, not mine. [b]I did not bring up my age and readily stated that and the difference between us[/b'].[/quote]
You're about to get called on that:

[quote name='Lady Rin previously']Ranger is 58, I am 41 the difference is 17 years. He still calls me a "cute and adorable young woman" and "my little girl".[/quote]
You just got called on it.

[QUOTE]I do not subscribe to the dogma that you think I do.[/QUOTE]
You're going to get called on this later in the post.

[quote]I am also at peace with myself for the most part and that has a lot to do with my reaction to that question. [b]However I know lots of women who do subscribe to that dogma and who do react unfavorably when asked.[/b] It is extremely prevalent far more than you think despite women?s equality etc..[/quote]
Answer this, Lady Rin:

"Why do you think so many women react unfavorably to that question?"

I'll give you a hint. It's not because it's rude.

[QUOTE]The Baron asked "Why?" So I answered as impartially as I could along with the question on why grown men shouldn?t be taking little girls to bed. I referred to a book. I did not state my opinion; I answered a question from [b]a book of etiquette[/b], which I use for more than what we are talking about.[/QUOTE]
You're using a book of etiquette that pre-dates the Civil Rights Movement.

[QUOTE]After all everyone should say please and thank you.[/QUOTE]
And you need a book to tell you that? It's not just [i]common sense[/i]?

[QUOTE]Will you please start living in reality? (I shall do reality on another thread, OK?)[/QUOTE]
I don't think you can.

[QUOTE]Why? I do what works for me, my family and our community. For the most part it works. It's not 100% but it is certainly in the upper 80s. As a parent certainly I like polite children with clean rooms. I really don't like hearing a string of expletives as can be heard on the CDs many teens listen to today. The reality is I can and do keep it out of my home along with excessively violent video games, controlled access to TV and a lot more. My children respect that. I don't hear the language from what they listen to at home as much as I hear it in public. That doesn't meant they don't listen, they do. They also play the games and watch the TV I disapprove of, I know this, Mom?s aren?t stupid. They do it where I can?t hear or see it. I also don't say they can't listen to it. I guess my reward is they don?t do drugs and they haven?t pierced their bodies. They also do their chores without being asked.[/QUOTE]
You're not helping your children by restricting them, and do you know why?

Because I grew up with Mortal Kombat, Doom, Street Fighter, GoldenEye, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, GI Joe, Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Mario Bros, X-men, Spiderman, Superman, Star Wars, Star Trek, South Park, Beavis and Butthead, Apocalypse Now, Platoon, Alien, Terminator, 2001: Space Odyssey, Ghostbusters, Denis Leary, Lewis Black, George Carlin...the list goes on and on. Some of the things I mentioned there are violent and vulgar sh-t, and yet...I turned out just fine. In fact, I turned out better than fine.

I can own a discussion in any one of my classes; I grasp concepts quicker than anyone in my Philosophy courses. Someone talks sh-t about T3, I'll call them on it and show them precisely why it doesn't violate any of the principles and thematic elements set forth by the first two films. I think both South Park and Denis Leary need to get listened to a hell of a lot more, because people need to hear what they're saying, because it's social commentary second-to-none.

I'm going to rock the classrooms when I start teaching, because I'm damn good at what I do, and I'm not tainted at all by the violent shows and video games you forbid your children to see and experience.

I'm all for the FCC, the ratings, the censorship and all that jazz, but if you believe your children are better off because you're restricting their life to essentially eating, sleeping, and doing their chores, you're lying to yourself.

Despite your fears, violent TV and video games are not going to change your children overnight into some homicidal madmen. That's not how it works, and deep down inside you, you know that, but you can't admit to it.

By the way, your children only respect you because you don't let them know anything else.

Tell you what...you run a Google search for a woman named [b][u]Jen Giroux[/u][/b] and tell me what you find, and what you think of her. I have a feeling I know exactly what your reaction will be, and if you have the courage to post your reaction, then everyone here will know precisely what kind of person you are, and how you do not fit at all in modern society.

[QUOTE]The discussion then turned to social relationships based on the original question as to how someone else might react. Again I gave examples of what I see or read. My personal opinion is; if you want is [b]deny your age[/b], stuff your face with botulism and do whatever other body restructuring you want to, go ahead [b]your only kidding yourself[/b] about your age and that's going to make your getting older harder when you really start to loose your innocent blush and doctors and toxins don't help anymore. [b]Most women I know fight tooth and nail to stay young, hide their age and don't ever make a reference to it[/b], these are professional women most of them in their 30s. I feel I still have my innocent blush and my health probably due to my accepting myself and not dosing myself with toxins. That too is reality.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to repeat the question from before:

"Why do you think so many women react unfavorably to that question?"

I'll give you a hint. It's not because it's rude.

[QUOTE]Now bear in mind our own generation gap here (another thread?). I grew up in a time and place that formally taught etiquette and manners, as did Ranger. [b]He still calls some people sir or mamm, he doesn?t have to. Opens the car door, holds a chair for me. Walks on the outside when we are walking down the street. Do you know why that is? He does a lot more as well. Again, he doesn?t have to; he just does it without thinking. It?s automatic.[/b] That means he will never let an expletive slip from his mouth in front of a client even if he?s angry and does have a very colourful vocabulary he can use. Unfortunately a few guides in the past have done just that, get angry and swear in front of a guest. That means immediate dismissal, no second chance. It?s bad for business to use foul language, even ?damn? or lose your temper in front of our guests. [b]That problem BTW is mostly among the younger guides, those <25 and the interns, mostly college students and teens.[/b] We are all a product of our own generation and culture and even so there is still a level of etiquette and manners from one to the next especially in business and the workplace, much less than at home and school. People don't get hired based on appearance, attitude and lack of etiquette and manners. People do get fired for lack of the same. It?s a fact of life and you can't get away with it. [b]It is also a fact of life someone with manners who knows what fork to use or holds a door will do better in life[/b], even if they are cutthroat and mean as a person, than someone who doesn't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]I do not subscribe to the dogma that you think I do.[/QUOTE]
You just got called on it. I've bolded what is very much the twisted Arthurian Chivalry.

[QUOTE]You?re right; my friends and co-workers do say I have a somewhat unrealistic, cheerful and naive outlook and attitude toward life. [b]I would like to know what's wrong with that[/b].[/QUOTE]
Try re-reading the thread, because 95% of the members here have pointed that out to you, and quite explicitly, I might add. You just choose to deny and/or ignore it.

[QUOTE]I'm very happy with my life. I try to spread joy and cheer all year long among friends, co-workers and family. [b]I try to help my community.[/b] I get hurt and I cry over beautiful simple things gone forever like the extinction of butterflies in the desert canyons. Have you ever cried over something like that? For no other reason than they?re gone? I have my problems like Mrs H and Laura, I even lost control Saturday and called Laura a drunken b__ch and wh__e then slapped her in public after she tried to manhandle my husband at a holiday party Saturday night. So you see, I have my limits as well. I choose to be a nice sweet person because I grew up with hate and anger and with punishment so horrific that it might be subject for yet another thread. [b]I also get a certain perverse pleasure out of being ?Polly Perfect? or ?Sarah Sweet?[/b] especially where Mrs H and Laura are involved. However, and I have said this millions of times; [b]I am truly happy[/b], my husband loves me as do my children. [b]I have made a lovely home in 21 years, good career and have the respect of this peaceful community[/b]. So even with the conflicts in my life I really can?t ask for more. And that is reality.[/QUOTE]
I keep getting flashes of The Stepford Wives or a demented Leave it to Beaver (though, that show was unrealistically demented to begin with), and I have no idea why...perhaps the bolded portions might be the reason.

[quote][b]This is my last post in this thread[/b]. It has been beaten to death. Let?s go find something else argue, talk about or share. Five minutes or a full half hour anyone? (Esoteric reference to what?)[/QUOTE]
Answer the questions first, attempt to successfully reconcile your contradictions without resorting to incoherent babble about a "perfect" life, make some attempt to admit you have a problem, and then I'll let you off the hook.

Until that happens, you're still sounding like an Arthurian-Stepford-Cleaver automaton.

[desertranger]

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Siren where do you get off dumping on someones beliefs. That's the same as calling someone a jew or n____r.

You aren't even out of school yet, still wet behind the ears. What life experience do you have? Call Rin on somethng? All I did was see a rant bashing someone else, my wife after she apoligized and said she wished to offend no one and that it was her last post on this thread [b]you continue to attack. The cowards approach, hit from behind.. And you continued your attack even after the moderators asked for a cessation. [/b]

I suggest you actually study some of those books you talk about instead of just looking at the pictures.

I also suggest that you give up the idea of teaching since your posts show you are unfit to be trusted with the education of children. Not willing to accept other peoples beliefs no matter how strange is a sign of bigotry and intolerence. Bigots and the intolerant shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our children.

Rin took no offense at what you said., I did. and what you said pissed me off. People are entitled to their dreams and desires. They are entitled to happiness, even says so in writing. After watching her puppies have their heads literaly ripped off. After being assaulted and beaten. You have no right to do that to anyone. Online or off.

I also think Rin just proved her point about etequitte an manners. you have none.

Which basically shows that[b] you are an nothing more than an intellectual animal [/b]


Hooyah


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[KarmaOfChaos]

[quote name='Adahn][font=Courier New][size=2][color=blue] Oh, and the last time I had a playground was 5th grade, so if you could tell me of a school where 8th graders get recess, please tell me so I can spoil my children effectively.[/color][/size'][/font][/quote]

[color=deeppink][size=1]I had a playground AND recess all the way into 8th grade. Perhaps you should consider moving to South Carolina. ^-^

This thread makes me want to kill myself. Anyway! Back to the topic. Someone mentioned it before, I forget who it was (I was busy watching the Rin and Alex Deathmatch), but they talked about when people try to tell you who you love. The whole "you're not really in love with them" thing.

It's not that this shakes my belief in my own feelings for whatever person we happen to be talking about, but it pisses me of when someone is so presumptious and arrogant as to think they that know how deeply or shallowly I happen to care for that person. Now, if a friend who I'm close to and who knows about the intimates of the relationship is trying to give me advice saying "I think this is unhealthy for you" I respect that.

But when someone blatantly tells you that you don't know what love is, and that you couldn't possibly love so-and-so, to me, that is extremely rude.

Uhm yea. [/end of two cents]

-Karma[/size][/color]

[Godelsensei]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Courier New]I've read through various parts of posts and have gotten the general debate going on here, and this is how I feel about it:

As a general rule of thumb, no daughter should be in a relationship with a man that any reasonable father would set out to kill because of his seniority.

The same can be used for the age difference between a young boy and an older woman, but it just so happens that more girls end up in relationships with people much, [i]much[/i] older than they are. This is because of gender roles.
Men and women are not yet equal, something that is displayed everywhere, not to mention the fact that girls are smaller (in terms of weight etc...). It's easier to pressure some one who is at that kind of disadvantage into a relationship, not to mention [i]wrong[/i].
Pedophilia is a disorder and any grown, mentally stable, person should be able to keep inaproriate sexual feelings to themselves. A thirteen year old is still insecure sexually and has hardly any life experience. Hell, any one whose age ends in "teen" is way too immature to make a critical choice relating to relationships. Just because you're capable of having babies and wear a D-cup, it doesn't mean you're ready to face the chance of getting pregnant or give up your ambitions in some other way.
It's the same as taking advantage of kids when it comes to shoplifting or gang activity. You take some one who cannot yet think things through properly and put them in a situation that demands it. What do you expect a child to do when put in such a position? They will most likely feel obligated or too afraid to say no.

Another aspect of this is "young woman older man syndrome", where the father's dead or senile and can't take care of his ten year old children. No one has the right to place that kind of burden on some one.
No one has the right to rob a young person of their opportunity to blossom within their own generation and reach for their potential, either. Once again, if you are in a sexual situation at too young an age, you wont be able to prioritize. School, career goals, everything important fly out the window. Kids are kids: there is a reason why child pornography is illegal.
It can screw up your life permanently, especially if you get pregnant. It happened in the case of a relative of mine, who ran off with a thirty-five year old man when she was sixteen. She never went through university, never got a real job, never made a name for herself [i]any[/i]where (not within a small workplace--nothing). And her husband wasn't exactly faithful, either. At least, not until he died on her while she still needed his support.
Her father disowned her. If it had been my dad, the guy would have been [i]dead[/i].

Manners should stretch as far as common courtesy: holding the door for some one, appologizing for bumping into them, etc... Of course, eating in a civilized manner is something you can legitimately expect of a person, as well. However, all this behaving in the proper manner, as a lady should, is solid bull.
That's why I don't give a crap about how the Japanese I'm studying will result in me talking like a man.

Additionally, I think Siren would make a perfectly awesome teacher. Get those kids asking questions! >:^O[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Brasil]

[quote name='desertranger']Siren where do you get off dumping on someones beliefs. That's the same as calling someone a jew or n____r.[/quote]
What makes you think I get off on it? I'm merely pointing out significant flaws in the worldview, nothing more.

[QUOTE]You aren't even out of school yet, still wet behind the ears. What life experience do you have?[/quote]
I know enough to know that running away from a problem is never the right thing to do, and it's only going to hurt more and more when the Cave comes crashing down. You know this just as well as I do, Ranger, don't deny that.

[quote]Call Rin on somethng? All I did was see a rant bashing someone else, my wife after she apoligized and said she wished to offend no one and that it was her last post on this thread you continue to attack. The cowards approach, hit from behind.. And you continued your attack even after the moderators asked for a cessation.[/QUOTE]
She was claiming to have never brought up her age, and I pointed out where she did. She denied ever adhering to the twisted Arthurian Chivalry dogma, and I pointed out precisely where she was. How is that bashing her? It's not. It's pointing out some serious contradictions that you know are there.

[QUOTE]I suggest you actually study some of those books you talk about instead of just looking at the pictures.[/QUOTE]
I know what you're trying to do here, and it's not going to work, I'll tell you that right now. What you said here is a petty insult, and has no basis in any type of reality. It has no precedent. What I said to your "wife" has precedent, and others here understand that, so, clearly, I'm not an exception.

[QUOTE]I also suggest that you give up the idea of teaching since your posts show you are unfit to be trusted with the education of children. Not willing to accept other peoples beliefs no matter how strange is a sign of bigotry and intolerence. Bigots and the intolerant shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our children.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of children, then, how old are yours? Rin rambled on and on about how well they behave, and how they do their chores without being asked (all phrased in present tense, mind you), etc etc, so I can't imagine them being any older than Middle Schoolers...Sophomores in high school at the most.

I know that you're writing your reply because you're so pissed at me, and because I've insulted Rin and so forth, so I'm actually not going to treat your comments as having any validity whatsoever, because they're not being said in any clear-headed, rational, or realistic mindset. You're posting because you're angry, Ranger, and anything said in an emotioned passion will never be precise.

[QUOTE]Rin took no offense at what you said., I did. and what you said pissed me off. People are entitled to their dreams and desires. They are entitled to happiness, even says so in writing. After watching her puppies have their heads literaly ripped off. After being assaulted and beaten. You have no right to do that to anyone. Online or off.[/QUOTE]
Dreams and desires, sure. But when those dreams and desires are clouding one's judgment and cognition, and severely limiting their ability to think rationally and of sound mind, deluding them into some Escapist fantasy land of fairies and anime, something needs to be said, and you know this just as well as I do.

[QUOTE]I also think Rin just proved her point about etequitte an manners. you have none.[/QUOTE]
Something tells me that the hyper-emotional Escapist Pacifist is never an accurate judge of etiquette and manners, because, like the Smashboards Smash Melee Tier System Tourney Results, you're going to get a severely skewed outcome, due to the predisposition, slant, and skill (Melee) of the observer.

[QUOTE]Which basically shows that you are an nothing more than an intellectual animal.[/QUOTE]
Like I said above, the reactions and assessments of a hyper-emotional Escapist Pacifist are not suitable grounds for any type of character analysis, and likewise, the reactions and assessments of those very close to the hyper-emotional Escapist Pacifist, who would defend her at all costs, are equally slanted and unreliable.

[QUOTE]Hooyah[/QUOTE]
You keep cheering like that. Bet it's fun, eh?

[quote]Damn censors.[/QUOTE]
They're a hassle occasionally, but not too much.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE=desertranger][size=3][color=red]

Siren where do you get off dumping on someones beliefs. That's the same as calling someone a jew or n____r. [/color][/size][/QUOTE]

[color=darkviolet]Yes, the world is about to come crashing to a halt because I'm siding with Siren in this one before I go on to [b][size=3]the actual topic.[/b][/size] Where do you get off dumping on other people for their beliefs? Isn't that the same as what you're doing to Siren and everyone else? I don't think it's in teh same catergory as name calling though. Name callingis a completely different catergory than making fun of someone's beliefs.[/color]

[quote name='desertranger][size=3][color=red]You aren't even out of school yet, still wet behind the ears. What life experience do you have? Call Rin on somethng? All I did was see a rant bashing someone else, my wife after she apoligized and said she wished to offend no one and that it was her last post on this thread [b]you continue to attack. The cowards approach, hit from behind.. And you continued your attack even after the moderators asked for a cessation. [/b] [/color'][/size][/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Where does he says he's not out of school yet? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but age doesn't always equal wisdom. If that were the case, I would have taken my mother-in-law's advice on the whole 'put your daughter in a pillow case and turnj her upside down becasue a pediatrician told me so' thing. Instead I took it as I take the rest of what she says. Get off your high horse about being older and therefore wiser than the rest of us and act your age. And aren't you doing the same thing that the moderators said to try and stop on? [/color]

[quote name='desertranger][size=3][color=red]I suggest you actually study some of those books you talk about instead of just looking at the pictures. [/color'][/size][/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Again, please act your age. Suggesting that someone just looks at pictures in books that he or she read isn't exactly maturity afirming.[/color]

[quote name='desertranger][size=3][color=red]I also suggest that you give up the idea of teaching since your posts show you are unfit to be trusted with the education of children. Not willing to accept other peoples beliefs no matter how strange is a sign of bigotry and intolerence. Bigots and the intolerant shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our children. [/color'][/size][/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Now, I'll be one of the first to admit that Siren's posts can be a bit cutting and sometimes very rude I have some personal experiance with the receiving end of some of his replies. But you have to admit that he usually knows what he's talking about and is very clear on his beliefs. Actually, I find some of Rin's beliefs a bit disturbing as well since I'm a woman and really have no problem with someone asking my age. I'm also very to the point instead of puddy footing around a subject or sugar coating it because I don't want to offend other people. I think the time for acting like a lady all the time is past its use by date-in my personal opinion I think it expired right after the end of World War one.

I'd be more likely to allow siren near my daughter than you any day. (El, I must be losing it)[/color]

[quote name='desertranger][size=3][color=red] People are entitled to their dreams and desires. They are entitled to happiness, even says so in writing. After watching her puppies have their heads literaly ripped off. After being assaulted and beaten. You have no right to do that to anyone. Online or off. [/color'][/size][/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Wait...you just told Siren that he shouldn't keep wanting to be a teacher then you said that everyone is entitled to their dreams...does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?

Can you please tell me what puppies and assualt have to do with this post because you completely lost me there. I've been assualted, I've been threatened. I've even physically thrown a guy out of my dorm in college and called the cops to press charges. Does that mean that now everyone has to be nice to me and agree with whatever I say? Damn, I should have taken advantage of that a while back![/color]

[quote name='desertranger][size=3][color=red]I also think Rin just proved her point about etequitte an manners. you have none. [/color'][/size][/quote]


[color=darkviolet]What? That you should always act like friggin' Mary Sunshine every day or you have no manners? In that case neither do you, neither do the rest of us, except for Rin, Kathy Lee Griffin and Katie Coric because they're sweet enough to give you cavities.[/color]

[QUOTE=desertranger][size=3][color=red]Hooyah

[/color][/size][/QUOTE]

[color=darkviolet]I hope you Did Hear opperate and...well I forget the last part of it. But two things, 1.) It's either Hooah or Hoorah and 2.) Why is it that all extreme military idiots seem to be the most hard headed? I think I should ask my husband who treats me as an equal and who I've been married to for 2 years and not had an easy perfect time of it that question.[/color]

[color=purple]OOOOOOOkay, that's over with. The most idiodic piece of advice I've ever heard for a relationship comes from my Grandma who says that you should always defere to your husband for advice and whatever he says goes.

Yeah, sure....so, I should have let him buy the drums we have no room for while he's in Iraq??? PLease, in heterosexual relationships women are at times put there to save men from themselves.[/color]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I'd like to know why having an age where it is widely accepted that you are physically and emotionally ready for sex is a bad thing. Sexual maturity, ie. the capacity of your body to fulfil your gender's role in the perpetuation of humankind, is not the only factor involved in the "Do I or Don't I?" aspect of sex.

I'd say that people around the 16-18 age range are reaching or have reached the stage in their lives where they have a) the physical capabilities and b) the mental/emotional capablities to have sex and deal with any of the possible ramifications of it.

It doesn't really matter if you're ready at 14, or 15. Or 13, as the case may be. If you're that stunningly mature, then you'll see the sense in the law, and you'll also be mature enough to wait and realise that sex is not the be-all and end-all.[/size]

[Panda]

This thread really isn't staying on topic. It is filled with off topic discussions and only seems to get those involved more and more upset. I am going to close this one right now before it turns into an all out flame war.

Thank you to all of those who have stayed on topic.

~Panda

Edit: I am going to reopen this thread with the condition that all participating will remain on topic.

[Erika]

[size=1][color=royalblue]Lol, really. I can't stand health class sessions--I was entertained until something like that started up in this thread. o_O;

Maybe someday a thread on shampoo brands will break out into some scientific debate on the ultimate shampoo that smells like every God-given fruit and flower, provides all elements of health, and grants blondes the power of intelligence (joking, lol, I know that brunettes can be just as stupid as blondes). :p

Anyways, I recall my brother falling victim to ignorant generalizing of girls sometime last year. I overheard Mom and Bro in a conversation, and him stating something along the lines of, "...but girls go for that; they want the guys dissing and abandoning them, and play hard-to-get..." and blahfrickingblah. I guess an IQ of 140+ serves no justice without any sort of common sense/good judgement . -_o

My memory's a bit fuzzy, but that was pretty much the meat of it. :whoops:[/color][/size]

[desertranger]

Ky is 15. A rock climber member of the local search and rescue team and likes to think he's a homie even thougth we don't have any. He's a ggod kid and gets great grades.

Mu is 17. The problem child. less than fair grades doesn't want to help but she does have a job.

Ya is 21, mother and gooing to colleg.

Rin a sucessfull geologist with published papers. Get a great paycheck. I don't see how her lifestyle has anything to do with that.

Everybody is entitled to their dreams. That doesn't mean they have to come true.

I have quite a few dreams and I think it's best if they never come true.

I'm done here

[Adahn]

[font=Courier New][color=blue][/color][/font][font=Courier New][size=2][color=blue]I think I'll make a generalization here. Most people that post on OB are in their teens and twenties. Most people that are in their teens and twenties have friends/peers that are in their teens and twenties. Most of the stupid things that are said are said by people in their teens and twenties.[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Basically, I'd disregard almost everything anyone in this age range has to say about relationships, because the majority of people our age don't know jack sh-t about anything. They have no idea how you feel or what you think, and are really only pulling things out of their -sses, or drawing from the years of experience that their vast knowledge base consists of.[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]If there's one thing I found, it's that adults are much more tolerant of relationships. The funny thing is that we the enlightened teenagers/young adults seek out and take heed of the wisdom of our peers, avoiding completely those who can actually help us.[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]The least idiotic thing you can hear from anyone in our age range is, "I don't know."[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]Good 'ole Socrates had the right idea a couple thousand years ago. True wisdom is knowing what it is you don't know. If wisdom had an opposite, it would be defined as thinking you know something when you really know nothing at all.[/color][/size][/font]

[Brasil]

[QUOTE=desertranger]Ky is 15. A rock climber member of the local search and rescue team and likes to think he's a homie even thougth we don't have any. He's a ggod kid and gets great grades.

Mu is 17. The problem child. less than fair grades doesn't want to help but she does have a job.

Ya is 21, mother and gooing to colleg.

Rin a sucessfull geologist with published papers. Get a great paycheck. I don't see how her lifestyle has anything to do with that.[/quote]
So, then, your children [i]aren't[/i] perfect, despite what Rin was saying earlier...what you just described here sounds nothing like the "Miss Mary Sunshine Leave it to Beaver" household that Rin was describing previously.

So, we have a problem here. Either your household is the peachy-keen perfection that your "wife" is saying it is, or it has its faults, like you're unintentionally saying here, and your household in fact [i]isn't[/i] Leave it to Beaver.

Which is it? Whose assessment is correct? Whose assessment is [i]realistic[/i]? There can be only [i]one[/i] correct assessment, mind you.

[quote]Everybody is entitled to their dreams. That doesn't mean they have to come true.[/quote]
When they're [i]realistic[/i] goals, and able to be achieved [i]without bending the very rules of existence[/i], I think they can come true very well. When those dreams can only happen in Fantasy Land, however...nope.

[QUOTE]I have quite a few dreams and I think it's best if they never come true.[/QUOTE]
Do share.

[quote]I'm done here[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you're done here, Ri--er, [i]Ranger[/i].

[quote=Adahn]I think I'll make a generalization here. Most people that post on OB are in their teens and twenties. Most people that are in their teens and twenties have friends/peers that are in their teens and twenties. Most of the stupid things that are said are said by people in their teens and twenties.

Basically, I'd disregard almost everything anyone in this age range has to say about relationships, because the majority of people our age don't know jack sh-t about anything. They have no idea how you feel or what you think, and are really only pulling things out of their -sses, or drawing from the years of experience that their vast knowledge base consists of.

If there's one thing I found, it's that adults are much more tolerant of relationships. The funny thing is that we the enlightened teenagers/young adults seek out and take heed of the wisdom of our peers, avoiding completely those who can actually help us.

The least idiotic thing you can hear from anyone in our age range is, "I don't know."

Good 'ole Socrates had the right idea a couple thousand years ago. True wisdom is knowing what it is you don't know. If wisdom had an opposite, it would be defined as thinking you know something when you really know nothing at all.[/quote]
Survey says, "No."

[wiccansamurai]

Ranger, Siren, stay on topic! :)


Well, here's the stupid thing my friend, Sam, did today. Well, she's not actually my friend, seeing as how I've never liked her but she kept talking to me. Today, she was sitting on the ground and giving me crap about wearing a skirt and "Dressing like a whore." My boyfriend was around and wanted to yell at her, but wouldn't because she's a girl.

Tonight, because of circumstances beyond his control, he ended up at the chorus concert. He's wandering aorund the hallways, because he really does not like the chorus concert thing. Sam was too, though she wasn't just wandering, she was coming back from almost getting caught (And in the end she did get caught) having sex with my best friend's boyfriend, even though she has a fiance. (A high schooler with a fiance? :rolleyes:) She goes up to Nathan and starts telling him how I dress like a whore. Because I wore a yellow paid skirt with thigh high socks, and it wasn't THAT bad. He was trying to be nice, and tell her that I don't dress that bad. She puts her arm around him and he nearly decked her right there. Telling my boyfriend that I "dress like a slut" isn't something that's a good idea! So, that was an idiotic thing to say. ^_^ Hell, he slammed a guy in a locker for saying somethign along that line.

But she got repayed. When a janitor explained to Bre that he was locking the prop room because he saw two people matching Sam and Phil's physical descriptions having sex in there, she immediately slapped Sam so hard, she started to bleed. Before Nathan didn't like Bre, found her annoying. Now he says she's awesome for doing what he wished he could have done.