deep thaught (creepy)

[Miryoku]

Has any one ever had a weird deep thaught,like if yor watching tv and thares a tv on tv is thare an un ending chain of tvs in your tv. Or are we just another persons dream or are other people just our dream. or what if we are just characters in a book that some one thaught up? Or the classic if a tree falls and thare is no one to hear it does it make noise? or when we turn off the tv does it keep going? Can any one think of any more?

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Only if the TV on your TV is actually a shot of the camera that they were using at the time. But why does that matter?

Who cares if we are the dream or the dreamers? We think we are real, and thats all that matters.

Characters in a book are better than characters that aren't, and thats all that matters.

The logic says that yes, the tree will make a sound when it falls. Just because you can't see it, and don't know it is going to fall doesn't mean anything. Is there any reason a tree wouldn't make a sound? No. And thats what matters.

Notice the repetition of the word 'matter'? It is because several of these things don't matter [like the, err, infinite TVs >_>] but also because we will never know if other people are a reality or not, will we. The only logical way to live your life is to assume that they are.[/size]

[Miryoku]

why does that matter?


Oh thanks for the critique but i have a creative mind you don't have to shatter my whole world tear tear. just kidding It does'nt matter realy I'm just curious if other people think that or not :flaming:

[Delta]

[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1][quote name='Miryoku']Has any one ever had a weird deep thaught,like if yor watching tv and thares a tv on tv is thare an unending chain of tvs in your tv.[/quote]
That's not a deep thought; that...is just plain weird.
Yes, I've a few weird realizations. The weirdest one came to me last April. It turns out that there had been a few philosophers who pondered on the said realization and went crazy.

End of discussion, let's move on.
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Or are we just another persons dream or are other people just our dream.
Or what if we are just characters in a book that some one thaught up?
Or the classic if a tree falls and thare is no one to hear it does it make noise?
Or when we turn off the tv does it keep going?
Can any one think of any more?[/QUOTE]
[b]Red pill or blue pill?[/b]
Heh, just had to say that.

[u]First question:[/u] If we are, would it matter? If it is so, then which person is the dreamer? Aren't dreams viewed in first-person POV? Does that mean that we are in a collective dream? If so, then where did our brains get all this information about "living" when we have not even experienced anything outside of this dream? Do you dream about the fifth dimension or a hypercube?
[u]Second question:[/u] (reply analogous to the question raised above)
[u]Third question:[/u] What about soundwaves? Does it mean that when there's nothing there to sense these waves, the production of soundwaves will just stop? Why do deaf people sense vibrations when they can't even hear? If, for example, a star exploded into a nova thousands of years ago and we are able to observe it just recently; does that mean that the nova never happened when it had in the past? Should we not take into account the fact that light travels at a certain speed? Must we sense in order to believe?
[u]Fourth question:[/u] Since we're talking about creepy thoughts, have you seen the movie "Ring"? Can we say that when we turn our TV sets off, they are immediately connected to a well full of corpses? Did you know that TV screens are filled with little bulbs that emit red, green and blue light? Does it mean that when you turn off a TV, you are effectively turning off all those light bulbs? Am I going crazy?
[u]Fifth question[/u]: No.

Love and Peace!
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[Miryoku]

I get what you meen. but what if science is rong what if the theorys were proved to be true by curcumstancial evidence and all we see, hear, and smell is just that circumsancial evidence and the whole human race is missing the whole scope of things. Then with the whole dream thing who is to say that we aren't just given our personalities as we are in the dream, when you have dreams the personalities and knowledge of the beings within it are just determined no one has any concise controll of it, much like it is in what we believe to be real life. then what if the world is just one huge connection of dreams from people in some other realm and each indevidual in this realm is the dream version of some one in another.

[Retribution]

Who said people dream in first person? And if we do, there's no way there can be a 'collective dream world' because humans don't have psyhic ability.

Here's something stranger.

There once was a man who went to sleep. He dreamt he was a butterfly. And in that dream as a butterfly, he fell asleep and dreamt he was a human. Then all of the sudden, someone shook him in 'real life,' awakening him from both dreams. What troubles this man is that... is he still in the butterfly's dream, therefore making him a butterfly? Or is he in the 'real world,' which is only another dream? BTW, this is a chinese tale, and the Matrix took this and incorperated it into some of the story.

[Godelsensei]

[quote name='Miryoku']I get what you meen. but what if science is rong what if the theorys were proved to be true by curcumstancial evidence and all we see, hear, and smell is just that circumsancial evidence and the whole human race is missing the whole scope of things. Then with the whole dream thing who is to say that we aren't just given our personalities as we are in the dream, when you have dreams the personalities and knowledge of the beings within it are just determined no one has any concise controll of it, much like it is in what we believe to be real life. then what if the world is just one huge connection of dreams from people in some other realm and each indevidual in this realm is the dream version of some one in another.[/quote]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Courier New]In order for a theory (take the Cell Theory, for example: grade seven science class) to be considered applicable, it has to continue to support new findings. It's not like some one comes up with something once and it's held on to without let-up for the rest of eternity. (That would be religion.)

I don't know what you're going on about to do with "concise control", but the immediate answer has already been stated.

"So what?"

Additionally, if the world was just some connection of dreams, those dreams would still need a physical base. Like neurons.

In conclusion, "The Matrix" isn't real and do you even know what "concise" [i]means[/i]? O_o""[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Miryoku]

[QUOTE=Altron]Who said people dream in first person? And if we do, there's no way there can be a 'collective dream world' because humans don't have psyhic ability.

if we are some one elses dream from another realm who is to say that the people who are dreaming us are human? If they are not human they could have psycic abilities or maybe they don't need powers maybe it just happens that way.

sorry i ment conscious not consise( that makes no sense)

[Godelsensei]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Courier New]What if my neighbors were secretly housing a demonic penguin, in a chicken costume, bent on world domination?

I think it's more likely that we're in some ethereal loser's contemporary RPG, personally.[/FONT]
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[Miryoku]

[QUOTE=Godelsensei][COLOR=Gray][FONT=Courier New]What if my neighbors were secretly housing a demonic penguin, in a chicken costume, bent on world domination?

I think it's more likely that we're in some ethereal loser's contemporary RPG, personally.[/FONT]
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sorry for being creative, my idea is a possibility. Dont be such a downer its just an idea i had. :flaming:

[Delta]

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Now, now. Let's keep this discussion as (hmm...) gentleman-ly as possible, shall we?

[quote name='Miryoku']but what if science is rong what if the theorys were proved to be true by curcumstancial evidence and all we see, hear, and smell is just that circumsancial evidence and the whole human race is missing the whole scope of things.[/quote]
Since when have our race had the whole scope of things?

Do we not use Science to understand this "whole scope"? And if in the end Science fails because we find out that, because we based our conclusions on repeated experimentation, Science and its theories are actually products of the fallacy of generalization; do we scratch this from the history of Man just because it couldn't properly explain natural phenomena? If, following the fall of Science, we discover another Discipline, one that is finally able to describe and reveal "the whole scope", will it be able to describe the phenomenon of its predecessor too? Can we safely assume that if the new Discipline is able to explain Science, then the achievements of the latter are correct?

Again, am I going crazy?

[quote name='Miryoku']Then with the whole dream thing who is to say that we aren't just given our personalities as we are in the dream, when you have dreams the personalities and knowledge of the beings within it are just determined no one has any concise controll of it, much like it is in what we believe to be real life. then what if the world is just one huge connection of dreams from people in some other realm and each indevidual in this realm is the dream version of some one in another.[/quote]
If our personalities are really predetermined, then who had the say? Is it the Dreamer? If we were created, or if you will, had evolved into a form similar to tigers yet retain everything else, would it matter? Won't we call our tiger-selves "human" or some other term with a similar sense anyway? Is it not the same with your idea of dreams and what we perceive as reality?

Again, if the world is just as you said, would it matter?
(Hmm... Miryoku, this [i]is[/i] a lovely idea for an RPG)

Love and Peace!
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[Miryoku]

wow you know what your talkin about any way your not crazy ,you sound just like me, unless i'm crazy then you are, sorry. About the whole dreamer thing in a way they do determine but they don't know that their doing so, just like when you or me have a dream. If the world is as Im saying It does'nt matter in a way because we can't help it yet it does matter because every one wants to know the truth. And I'm glad you lik my idea you have good taste.

[Jeebs]

[QUOTE=Godelsensei][COLOR=Gray][FONT=Courier New]What if my neighbors were secretly housing a demonic penguin, in a chicken costume, bent on world domination? [/FONT]
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Well it depends. Are you saying that your neighbors wear a chicken costume or that the penguin wears it. I know if I were a demonic penguin being forced to wear a chicken costume I'd be pissed and probably would've killed your neighbors by now. ^_^

I've thought about the TV inside of a TV thing a few times, but after thinking about it for a while it gets boring. It's logical, but there isn't much to think about. About turning the TV off, if it kept going it wouldn't really be turned off, would it?

[Shredaa]

I have had that feeling many times...
Well i have only had the tv in the tv in the tv in the tvin the tv ... u know!
So it is funny i see this as a post... because i was just watching tv and then i came here and saw this thread... lol. WeIrD..
ok well yeah... great thread 2....,
~S h r e d a a

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I've had this deep thought about the intelligence of people who avoid grammar. But, I wouldn't want to share it with most of you. You might blow a fuse!

The 'TV staying on' idea is silly. Not only is it caused by particles being fired at a screen, but even though the broadcast continues when your TV is off, it isn't real. Its like saying that people on a video-tape are real. They're not.[/size]