What do otakus think about Homosexuality?

[Guest kimo123]

oh and another thing we don't homo sexual affairs in mangas right ................... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[MissWem]

[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]Thanks for clarifying that Shinje(sic) ^_^ I see what you mean.. although I suspect they will have to come up with a different way of creating the union than, the traditional way.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
[quote name='kimo123']oh and another thing we don't homo sexual affairs in mangas right ................... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:[/quote]
[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]You might want to read the posting rules on the left hand side.

And in many of the popular manga/anime there is homosexuality, some is more subtley portrayed than others. However, if you only watched the dubbed versions in America, a majority of them have been 'sanitized' so that the viewers wouldn't realize that some of the characters are homosexual.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Miryoku]

[quote name='kimo123']u guys are sick and wrong being hetro sexual is natural and why would you want sex from guys u guys probaly don't have anything against gays and lesbians because you have been called that your sef so you feel bad fo r themselves i think it is wrong but they should have equall rights.[/quote]


I respect your opinnion but it is'nt just like we wake up one morning and say i think i'm gonna be gay now or i'm gonna start being a lesbian. thats not how it works. We have as much control over our homo or bisexuality as you do over your heterosexuality, and thats none. we just are, its hard to make you understand.It is'nt just the "sex" aspect, its also love for another human being, if we're all created equal than gender should'nt matter. Oh and heterosexuality may be "natural" but so is homosexuality, scientists have obseved it in almoast every animal. They have even observed it in chimps and other types of monkeys, wich are our closest relitives ( just ask Jane Goodall). I'm glad you think we should have rights but your comments are vary offensive and you should take some time to get to know a "gay" person, we're just as "normal" as you.

Oh and to respond to your other post, have you ever opend up a manga? Most of the most popular ones are " Shonen-ai" or boys love, wich meens boy boy relationships, have you ever heard of Gravitation or Fake. Even some of the most popular animes hve "suggestive" themes.

[Sui Generis]

[quote name='Boba Fett][color=green][color=green']Most schools have a GSA, and I?m sure there are other students in your school who are either homosexual, or ambiguous about their sexuality. It helps to know people you can relate to in that fashion. If you can?t find any, there are a few people on the boards who would probably lend a sympathetic ear. Try contacting TN.[/color][/quote]

[color=purple]You obviously don't live in Kansas. Kansas schools are uniquely against gay rights (or the expression of them.) All attempts of my school as well as many schools in our district to get GSA or the like established have been shot down overwhelmingly.

We have a court case going on right now where a boy is sueing the school for getting suspended. They said he was wearing an "offensive" shirt and refused to take it off. However, all the shirt said was "Gay Rights. Gays are Americans Too." The next day several of the gay and bisexual kids (including myself) wore either gay pride or support shirts for Shuan. The administrator confronted every single one of us and if we chose not to take off our shirts and get new ones (All of us but very few) were sent home and recieved ISS.

The thing is pretty much political correctness and religion. It just depends where you live, somewhere like San Francisco is going to be a hell of a lot more accepting then a small town in Missiouri or Montana.


I agree with malajusted on the "cool part"

anyways...it's jsut something that will pass in time.

I think a lot of homo sexual people make it worse though with their antics.

[Miryoku]

"The thing is pretty much political correctness and religion. It just depends where you live, somewhere like San Francisco is going to be a hell of a lot more accepting then a small town in Missiouri or Montana."


so true, i live in Utah, every ones mormon wich is way extreme protestant. we have 2 millon people 7/8 of wich are mormon. luckly i live in a larger city so we have a dozen or mor homo and bisexual students, but for a school of 2000 people thats a vast minority. we all kinda stick together but i realy feel for the people in the smaller towns in this state who have no one. why is our world so cruel? :(

[Muad'Dib]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Navy][QUOTE=Lalaith Ril][color=purple]
The thing is pretty much political correctness and religion. It just depends where you live, somewhere like San Francisco is going to be a hell of a lot more accepting then a small town in Missiouri or Montana.
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I happen to live in Missouri, which (if I've got my facts right) was the first state to pass anti-gay marriage laws. It makes me ashamed to even live here. Fortunately, I'm moving back to Texas in the summer... right, back on subject. One subject that was brought up in the gay marriage debates was the seperation of church and state, correct? This came up because one of the reasons the subject of gay marriage even came up was that the church was getting pissed-off. So if the church is supposed never interfere with politics, how have they had such an effect on these laws? Now, I don't keep up well with politics, so I'm really not sure how much of an influence the church had, but no matter how much it did, [i]that's[/i] what's wrong, not homosexuality. Of course, half of what I'm saying is probably inaccurate as far as facts go... but whatever.

About the whole 'cool' thing- anybody who would reconsider their sexuality to be cool has deeper issues they need to sort out. I'm not saying it's not possible to have feelings for someone of the same gender where previously you were never attracted to them. Just that forcing yourself to do so is rediculous.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[AzureWolf]

[FONT=book antiqua][SIZE=2][COLOR=blue]DerelictDestiny, it's cool with me if your reason for supporting homosexuality is by gut instinct. Heh, I tend to use mine quite a bit actually.

Anyway, [QUOTE=Rhian]Another thing: do all you(who don't like homosexuality) really think we have control over who we're in love with, and who are body is attracted to? Can I help it that I fell in love with another girl?

DO you really think we have a choice?[/QUOTE]I don't recall saying one had a choice, and I miss why having a choice matters.

However, I have mixed feelings about the whole argument. There are some who are gay/bi, and then there are those who are gay/bi out of some sort of pressure, as mal has pointed out. It's the latest fad for gays and bi's to be in and accepted. If you support homosexuality, you are accepted among your peers. If you are actually one of the people your peers sympathize with, well, you get quite a bit more respect and attention.

The human mind is quite the powerful thing. You can convince yourself you are something you are not, or something that doesn't exist to be the most realistic thing in the world. I'm not saying that's the case for every homosexual, but it definately exists. [QUOTE]Oh and heterosexuality may be "natural" but so is homosexuality, scientists have obseved it in almoast every animal. They have even observed it in chimps and other types of monkeys, wich are our closest relitives ( just ask Jane Goodall).[/QUOTE]Again, let's not go into this angle. There are quite a few things observed in other animals that you wouldn't condone when applied to humans. Before I actually mention what other shocking things exist between humans and animals, though, I want to know if that's everything you have laid out to support your claim. So some animals have homosexual tendencies? Other animals have "trial and error" sorts of behavior when it comes to sex.

If you want to argue with this angle that homosexuality is natural and among other animals, that's fine with me. However, I urge you not to.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[LokiTheAssassin]

Crimson Spider

You say that the would be ignorant but people aren?t just questioning it have you ever heard of a hate crime people get charge with them when they do some thing to hurt some one because the person doesn't like some thing about them well a lot of times gays are the victim of this

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Punctuation isn't just bells and whistles. It helps to form complete thoughts and stuff.


My problem is that most of the people who directly ask me that question don't just go "Oh, O.K. It's alright that you think that' whenever I give a response. Almost as if people are asking other people their views in order to get some relief to the constant insecurity of their own thoughts. On any subject that annoys me (especially on election days).


"Hate Crimes" occur to every form of generalization, appearance, and other such things. Homosexuals aren't exclusive to hate crimes. I mean, if a person in order to satisfy some sort of selfrighteous desire of theirs has to actually seek out and accuse someone of an intangible concept and commit acts of battery towards them, then I doubt their ability to properly comprerhend the concepts of self control and consequences.


Similar to Racism, half the people who do it don't know they are. They even condemn those who have the intelligence to acknowledge it.


Another funny thing is that every single topic about homosexuality in nearly any boards resorts in a minimum of two people arguing points made years ago to eachother while forgetting the original purpose of the topic.

[Drix D'Zanth]

Lucky us, we have a bush-bashing thread a page or two back, a war-concerned thread, and back to the gay/gay marriage debate! I?m surprised an abortion thread hasn?t come up in recent history?. Wow, the circle keeps on revolving.

So the question is; what do I think about homosexuality? Well, I don?t agree with it. Then again, I don?t agree with homosexuality as much as I don?t like listening to Eminem. Hey, some people do it, good for them! If they keep their life choices to themselves and decide against indoctrinating me, all the better!

Is homosexuality natural? Well, I would divide homosexuality into two aspects: the sex (carnal attraction) and the relationship. Is homosexual sex natural? Let?s look at human physiology? does a penis really fit inside a rectum? Sometimes, though it wasn?t really made for a penis. Now, does the ejaculate actually have a purpose inside a rectum? Nope. Hey, I?m not going to hold that against anyone! But far be it from me to say it?s ?unnatural? right?

Now, is the attraction to the same gender unnatural? Firstly, does anyone have a choice of who they love? Strictly speaking, you can desire sex at any time without any discernable control. Yet as the character Alice in the Patrick Marber play ?Closer? said, ?There?s always a point where you can go with it.. or you can resist it. I value having some sort of conscious decision making in who I fall in love with, if anything. I do not believe anyone is [i]born[/i] gay, however, I don?t believe there is a definitive choice, or crossover point. I think homosexuality is a combination of physiological changes that may result from any sort of stimuli. It may be sexual insecurity? it?s understandable that being around guys is a lot easier than girls sometimes. Perhaps this comfortable feeling could lead a guy to desire only male companionship. Perhaps a guy has not had success with women and decides he would rather be attracted to men. If guys can be attracted to farm animals, they can be attracted to the same gender. This would also lead to the conclusion that one could be ?raised? gay? this isn?t so far fetched an idea. Aren?t we somewhat raised heterosexual? Always asked if we have girlfriends, first kisses, posters of the opposite sex, pornography? etc.

Do I think it is ethically ?right?? No, I consider homosexuality a sin. I sin as much as the next human being? and I can ?love the sinner and hate the sin?. If my dad robbed a bank, I wouldn?t love him any less? that doesn?t mean I would approve of him robbing a bank.

Gay Marriage? No thanks. Just read any of the previous threads concerning gay marriage?

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Outside of any religious reasons, what is there against homosexuality?

Uum. Uum.

Oh dear, I don't know.

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Are you getting the drift. I can understand why some people feel how they do about homosexuality due to their religion, but sadly I lack any respect for that kind of decision. I'm not going to stand here and say "You all should accept homosexuality, or I'll ram it down your throats", but I do take the stance that as long as people are discrete, then their sexual preference [b]should be of no concern to you[/b]. I'm not always the most tolerant person, but I do think that sometimes people should keep their opnions to themselves, and allow other people freedoms.[/size]

[Hevn]

[quote name='maladjusted][color=darkslateblue'] I have a problem with the 'coolness' of bisexuality.[/color][/quote]
God. You hit the nail on the head, lol.

There was a time once when homosexuality doesn't appeal to most teenagers. That time when everyone stares in schock whenever someone reveals they're gay or lesbian then the next day the whole school's talking about you.

Then the time came when lots of teenagers confidently declare they're gay or lesbian or bisexual. I don't know what happened. They tell everyone and anyone like it's a cool trend or something. Like being bisexual will make you different and stand out. Like they just have to [I]flaunt[/I] it.

It's pure sticky crap.

[quote name='Me!']You don't like homosexuality because of what your religion taught you.[/quote]

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]
Are you getting the drift. I can understand why some people feel how they do about homosexuality due to their religion, but sadly I lack any respect for that kind of decision. I'm not going to stand here and say "You all should accept homosexuality, or I'll ram it down your throats", but I do take the stance that as long as people are discrete, then their sexual preference [b]should be of no concern to you[/b]. I'm not always the most tolerant person, but I do think that sometimes people should keep their opnions to themselves, and allow other people freedoms.[/size][/QUOTE]

I really don't think homosexuality is any more of a problem to the church than the fact that we as Christians so often forget the second, and second most important, commandment. I will never hold contempt in my heart for anyone for being homosexual, but I will never agree with that lifestyle. So where does that put me? Well, I don't treat them differently, as I said before.

As for religious interferance in ethics... i don't see a huge problem. People say "you are a different religion than I am, what makes you right?". Well, people share different ethical beleifs regardless of religion, that are not so far removed from the strucuture of a religion despite not being organized. Hey, you think homosexuality is "OK" because of your philosophy, mine tells me differently. There's really no difference between an opinion founded upon religion and an opinion from other ethical or philosophical means; they both remain on the same level ground, and should be respected equally.

[Dagger]

About the "coolness" of bisexuality...

I think flaunting one's sexual orientation, or pretended sexual orientation, is much more common among teenage girls than among boys of the same age. It usually stems more from the "guys like lesbians" reasoning than from feeling genuinely conflicted or confused about one's sexuality. Speaking in a very general sense, females are usually far more accepting of lesbians than males are of gays, which is why you don't really see this happening among young males.

Also, it's true that in [i]some[/i] areas of America, it's in vogue to boldly declare oneself bisexual. But once you get out of the blue states, people's attitudes about homosexuality and bisexuality change drastically. This fad is not quite as widespread as it seems. So although I agree with what earlier posters have said, it only applies to a certain extent; prejudice is still a problem in many parts of the country. I can't speak for other nations, only my own.

I personally find it ridiculous that teenagers feel so pressured to categorize themselves. Whatever happened to simple experimentation? To claim that you're bisexual while you're still going through puberty is just a little silly, in my opinion--nearly everyone around that age is going to experience some curiousity and question his or her sexuality. If it lasts into adulthood, then at least you have a real basis for pigeon-holing yourself.

To answer the original question, I have nothing against lesbians or gays.

~Dagger~

[James]

[color=#707875]My opinion is primarily that homosexuality is vastly misunderstood. And like anything that is misunderstood, the first reaction is fear and/or hate.

In terms of whether people actually "agree" with it or not...it's a bit like the sky being blue. It's there. It is what it is. I think that each individual simply has to choose how they deal with that.

People can disagree with homosexuals or the so-called "homosexual lifestyle" (which I suppose just means two men or two women being in a relationship), but they can choose whether or not they allow that opinion to actually colour the way they treat people. Or, indeed, whether they want that personal prejudice to be the catalyst for denial of rights or whatever the case may be.

I have respect for those who don't approve of homosexuality but who do not allow that prejudice to actually negatively impact the way they treat others. I think that's very important. I also think it's important to acknowledge that someone's relationship (their love for each other) is as legitimate and real as the love that exists between two heterosexual people.

As I've said before, nobody can really choose who to fall in love with. And for me, that concept really lies at the heart of the issue. Whether people are born homosexual or become homosexual is kind of irrelevant at this point. People can't consciously choose who to be attracted to, or who to fall in love with...so, should they choose to have a same-sex partner, it's really their own choice. It shouldn't warrant abuse, or unequal treatment in society.

I mean, I know that when I've had a relationship end...I'd love to just switch off my feelings for that person and say "Okay, as of this second, I no longer love them. End of story." But think about how ridiculous that sounds. The fact is, we [i]can't [/i]control emotions in that manner. The only question is how we deal with those emotions.

So, that's my view. Regardless of people's opinions on sexuality (and matters of sex in general), I am pleased that the majority of people here are still willing to be fair and reasonable in their behavior toward people, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. At the end of the day, kindness to others doesn't hurt and can go a long way.[/color]

[Afire]

[COLOR=Red]I don't really care if someone is asexual (yes there are non-sexuals), heterosexual,
homosexual, bisexual, transexual, or try-anything-sexual! I'm about as interested in
someones sexual preference as I am in what kind of soup they prefer. If I know you
well enough and I'm interested in what kind of soup you like, or your sexual
preferences for some reason or another; I'll ask you.

As for people that flaunt their sexuality as 'who they are' or those who seek out groups of those flaunters just to hang with them because they are cool people...I can't help but feel sorry for them. Do they really know who they are?

The only people I want to see LABELED for their sexual preferences are those
who commit sexual crimes. I want to see PEDOPHILE or RAPIST tattooed across
their foreheads in extra bold print.[/COLOR]

[M.Ali]

[quote name='Afire][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=1][COLOR=Red]I just don't understand how anyone 15, or under, can make a decision about his or her true sexual nature when they're probably not even sexually mature yet. [/FONT][/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]


[color=darkgreen][font=trebuchet ms] You're right, how could anyone make a decision this early in their life, but you also have to look at the fact that although, these 15 and under kids are young, they also know what they are attracted to. You'd really be surprised at how many 13 to 15 year olds I know, who have already defined thier sexual prefrence. I talk to these kids on an almost daily basis, being as though I am a voluntary counselor at the high school I just graduated from. And the funny thing, is that most of these kids engage in homosexual or bisexual activities, but still consider themselves to be straight, mainly because they don't want to be shunned by their friends or talked about by others.

Me Personally, I think that they should keep it that way to avoid the presure and criticism of other people. That's just to much presure for kids thier age to go through. But, I still don't object to coming out of the closet, that's if you're that comfortable with the circumstances.

But to help you out Miryoku, just keep tryin to maintain a good relationship with you're parents, after all, they were the ones who brought you into this world, and eventually they'll realize that you're the same person you were before you told them you're chosen sexuallity.

[b]Just Keep Ya Head Up Lil Buddy[/b][/color][/font] :cool:

[Sui Generis]

[COLOR=Indigo]Hm...first off I'm going to finish my though that I had before. (sorry I just stopped ubruptly I had to go.)


As everyone knows, of course I support gays/bisexual/hetero whatever, but the thing that really aggrivates me, is something that happens to any minority what so ever. First off I really don't understand why the hell everyone has to play the victim. I mean sure I've had things happened to me, because of my sexual preference, but I don't go around accusing everyone in the world to be anti-gay or biggots. If you're anti-gay then grand, you don't like my life style, chances are I don't like yours. Nothing personal just a matter of opinion.

Second, a lot of gays almost ask to be persecuted. I mean if you think about it heterosexuals arn't flaunting the sex in the middle of San Francisco with a huge "Heterosexual Pride Parade." I mean I'm all for the whole "be proud of who you are thing" but honestly, by pointing yourself out so much, by making yourself that recognizeably different and announcing it to everyone, you're only making yourself a target.

From what I've learned in the past couple of years one's sexuality is none of anyone elses concern. If the issue comes up and it's alright with both people then sure talk about it, but why do people feel the need to know everyone's sexuality or flaunt their own. For god's sake it's sexuality; the stem is sex, it's ment to be private. Why do they call a penis and a vagina your "private parts" because they are ment to be private. The whole concept of sex has stemmed from privacy, and the absolute devotion to the partner at hand. (Be that a devotion of love or pleasure)

The simple fact is both sides of this argument are blowing it way out of proportion, if we just lived our lives without trying to invade someone's personal life then you know what, this wouldn't be as big of an issue.


Second point:

[i]Seperation of Church and State[/i]

As much as this sentence is idealized among the "gay community" there is no truth in this statement beyound the fact that you can't be arrested for being a certain religion. Look at President Bush he uses his Christianity as not only a fore runner in his campaigns but he uses it to base a lot of his decisions. Listen to all of his speaches, God is mentioned atleast once. The simple fact is our soceity (well rather America) is based off of religion, and the simple fact is we'll never get a way from it. the majority of republicans (or so they say) are religiouse, be that good and bad, with a bi-partisan country if half the country is religiouse then there is going to be religion in politics and law.

Personally I don't think it's ever going to be achieved with the argument of seperation of church and state, just because thats more of an ideal now a'days.




Again the questoin comes, why are we actually talking about this? Homosexuality isn't a new thing, it's been around for years. There are reports of homosexuality in the dark ages, there are reports of homosexual acts even before the Dark Ages, why in the world is it such a big issue now? Honestly, I think the simple fact is, it's been over exposed by the media.

I guess the old saying is "No news is good news, and only news sells." comes into play. (Hopefully if you've taken a Journalism class you've heard that moto atleast once.) I really wish it wasn't such a big deal, instead of people coming up to me everyday asking if I'm bi or gay and how I feel about it, I could just walk down the hall and not worry about a thing, just like a normal person.

Homosexuals are no different then heterosexuals in a lot of instances. It's like saying a left hander in baseball shouldn't be allowed to bat because they're different, and it's not what the majority is. You'll never hear that because it's ludacris, and in a sense thats what I think it is in this instance as well. Ludacris.

My whole basis of any argument is: [i]America was founded on the basic ideals of freedom, disregarding slavery. America has become more and more "free" pertaining to people as the yeras progress and this will be no different. It's just like the civil rights movement, or the women suffrage movement, it'll take time, but in the end it's just going to end the same. The simple fact is; people can ignore it for only so long. Either way it's no dirt on my back, because I know who I am, and I am fine with that. [/i]


(Granted if you don't live in America I guess that argument really doesn't stand, but that's a different story I guess. I like how Otaku (including myself) seems to always generalize everything to America.)

Can't we all just get a long ^.^

If you don't like homosexuality thats great, as I said before, who effin cares? Just let people live their lives, and as long as I'm not hurting you then you shouldn't be hurting me.

As Transtic Nerve (where is he anyways) [i]Lets get this straight....I'm not[/i] I just think it's funny something like that can make such an uproar. Oh well, people will be people. Still I don't understand why people have to descriminate towards people.

Of course the descrimination goes both ways, I really don't think heterosexuals are the only ones descriminating towards the other side. I know for a fact some homosexuals absolutely can't stand heterosexuals.



So in the end, both sides are at major faults in my book.
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[James]

[color=#811C3A]The thing is, "homosexual" is almost used erroneously here. I mean, we aren't really even talking about the sheer act of sex itself -- we're really talking about a whole relationship between two people.

I mean, nobody would want their relationship and their rights to be devalued. Nor would they want to be treated unfairly and with inequity as a result of the way they are.

I agree with you that some parades and stuff are really terrible PR for the "gay community" (which itself is a highly erroneous term -- gay people are not in some secret league or something, lol). The problem is that this stereotype is the view of all gay/bisexual people, but it doesn't really represent the majority -- and the majority are just regular people, they aren't running around waving banners in your face or something.[/color]

[Sui Generis]

[QUOTE=James][color=#811C3A]The thing is, "homosexual" is almost used erroneously here. I mean, we aren't really even talking about the sheer act of sex itself -- we're really talking about a whole relationship between two people.

I mean, nobody would want their relationship and their rights to be devalued. Nor would they want to be treated unfairly and with inequity as a result of the way they are.

I agree with you that some parades and stuff are really terrible PR for the "gay community" (which itself is a highly erroneous term -- gay people are not in some secret league or something, lol). The problem is that this stereotype is the view of all gay/bisexual people, but it doesn't really represent the majority -- and the majority are just regular people, they aren't running around waving banners in your face or something.[/color][/QUOTE]

[color=indigo]

I agree with you completely, I know I was making a generalization on some part, I was just saying evne if it's the minority of gay/bisexual people they don't help. I really don't see the point in the parade at all, it just calls more attention to the "gay community" (as its called) I know that not all gays/bisexuals are like that (after all I'm one), but I agree with what you stated.

The simple fact is no matter what way you look at it (the act of sex or just relationships) it's really no one's business what sexual preference you are. I just think it's been blown out of proportion ya know? Perhaps it's just from personal experience, and lord knows I could be the 1 out of 891234738 that think that, but I guess thats my opinion.

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[lupin_is_4ever]

I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality. Why does everyone make a big deal out of it? I have gay friends and a gay and lesbian cousin myself. I don't see nothing wrong with it at all. I support the right to marry, adopt, all of that. I feel that homosexuality is normal like everything else.

Lucy.

[3v1l.l33t]

I do not agree with it nor do i disagree. It's something I won't do but don't mind. I mean, I have gay friends and I don't mind them one bit at all. I mean so what? I can't point out to them a chick I think is hot but thats about it. I

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1][b]Rap is ruining our literacy- it is spelt ludicrous, not ludacris...[/b]

Anyway, [quote name='Drix']I will never hold contempt in my heart for anyone for being homosexual, but I will never agree with that lifestyle.[/quote] Thats OK. As long as you're not discriminating. Now, on that basis, why is gay marriage wrong? If you hold no ill-will to homosexuals, then why shouldn't they be allowed to marry?[/size]

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]
Anyway, Thats OK. As long as you're not discriminating. Now, on that basis, why is gay marriage wrong? If you hold no ill-will to homosexuals, then why shouldn't they be allowed to marry?[/size][/QUOTE]

If a homosexual couple walks into a church, swap rings, and the priest gives them their blessing, I don?t care. If they want to call eachother husband, and husband? I don?t care. If they want to visit eachother at hospitals, and have equal property transfer; I don?t care! In fact, I support their ability to do so!

But please, if you are asking my opinion on your lifestyle and how it should be publicly recognized; I?m going to examine my moral fiber and give you a vote/answer. When homosexual marriage is brought up to change our definition of marriage for the sake of ?equality? I chuckle to myself and say, ?Sorry buddy, you got to meat the prerequisites.? I don?t think homosexuals should get married for the same reason rich people shouldn?t get welfare: they don?t meet what I see as requirements for marriage! My ?requirements? aren?t very difficult? they are the same sociological non-religious purposes that I think marriage was created for: the benefits are for the baby. There is nothing sociologically unhealthy about too many heterosexual marriages. Can there be too many homosexual relationships? It is certainly possible. Not only that, bringing the idea of homosexual marriage into a public forum such as government, especially within a republic ?of the people? you demand my ethically-supported response. I would be deceiving my moral obligation as a Christian and a voter to just vote ?yes? when I don?t believe it is ?right?.

That being said, get married all you want? but please, do NOT ask me to agree with it.

[Adahn]

[font=Courier New][size=2][color=blue]I believe Drix has already answered your question. I think he said, 'hate the sin, not the sinner.' The reason he doesn't want gays to marry is because to him, it's relative to condoning murder or pedophilia.[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]On that note, to me, man-on-man relations are about as bad as having sexual relations with animals. The person could enjoy it, and so could the animal. It's just an example of how something that doesn't hurt anyone can still be considered wrong.[/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Courier New][size=2][color=#0000ff]EDIT: He got to it first, but I think my version (the first part) still represents his thoughts, albeit in less words.[/color][/size][/font]