kenshinsbabe Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [FONT=Georgia]How can you all be so heartless? I mean, even though he [I]is[/I] guilty, there has to be some other way to sentence him. His family has to watch him slowly die as he gets injected with almost the same thing that they put animals to sleep with, which I also deeply disapprove of. I also feel for Lacy's family though. They do deserve to see some justice, but I still think that the death penalty is wrong at all costs. The solitary confinement is the best idea out there. I'd want to kill myself if I were alone, but as long as he wanted to and couldn't, that would be okay. [/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiHorsewoman Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [color=darkviolet]I'm glad Scott Peterson is getting the Death Penalty. However due to many legal proceedings in California the guy is more likely to die due to natural causes than a lethal injection, which coincidentally leads me to my next rant about the death penalty. With a lethal injection Peterson is basically getting a shot that's gonna kill him. It won't even give him an agonizing painful death. It won't hurt him any more than if he went and got a vaccination at the doctor's office. I know this is going to sound bad and maybe a bit immature, but I think they should bring back the firing squade and hanging. Think about it, all it would cost is bullets and some rope. Laci's family could be the first to go through with the firing squade option since I think that the victim's families should have an opportunity to take the person's life since that's what he did to a member of their family. A murderer shouldn't be allowed to get off so eaily with just a needle in the arm. Someone with a sick mind needs to get involved in the justice system and think up some really agonizing ways to die...like stripping someone naked, smearing them with honey and leaving them on an ant hill...yeah that would work. Either that, or instead of complete solitary confinement, Scott can go live with my mother-in-law. It's a punishment Lincoln and are are thinking up for my brother and I doubt she owns any sharp knives. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [QUOTE] With a lethal injection Peterson is basically getting a shot that's gonna kill him. It won't even give him an agonizing painful death. It won't hurt him any more than if he went and got a vaccination at the doctor's office. I know this is going to sound bad and maybe a bit immature, but I think they should bring back the firing squade and hanging.[/QUOTE] Untrue. Lethal injection is not as good as everyone says it is, lol. I just watched a movie with a guy on death row who had been researching lethal injection. I believe the first thing that happens is it stops your breathing. So you are basically suffocating before it even kills you. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't find that to be painless, lol. [b]# Anesthetic - Sodium thiopental, which has the trademark name Pentothal, puts the inmate into a deep sleep. This drug is a barbiturate that induces general anesthesia when administered intravenously. It can reach effective clinical concentrations in the brain within 30 seconds, according to an Amnesty International report. For surgical operations, patients are given a dose of 100 to 150 milligrams over a period of 10 to 15 seconds. For executions, as many as 5 grams (5,000 mg) of Pentothal may be administered. This in itself is a lethal dose. It's believed by some that after this anesthetic is delivered, the inmate doesn't feel anything. # Saline solution flushes the intravenous line. # Paralyzing agent - Pancuronium bromide, also known as Pavulon, is a muscle relaxant that is given in a dose that stops breathing by paralyzing the diaphragm and lungs. Conventionally, this drug takes effect in one to three minutes after being injected. In many states, this drug is given in doses of up to 100 milligrams, a much higher dose than is used in surgical operations -- usually 40 to 100 micrograms per one kilogram of body weight. Other chemicals that can be used as a paralyzing agent include tubocurarine chloride and succinylcholine chloride. # Saline solution flushes the intravenous line. # Toxic agent (not used by all states) - Potassium chloride is given at a lethal dose in order to interrupt the electrical signaling essential to heart functions. This induces cardiac arrest.[/b] [url]http://people.howstuffworks.com/lethal-injection4.htm[/url] But yeah, anyways, I don't believe he will even get near the bed he willl have to lay down. Either the inmates will kill him, or it will be natural causes. If I am not mistaken, Charles Manson is on death row in California, and has yet to be put to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [size=1][quote name='kenshinbabe'] His family has to watch him slowly die as he gets injected with almost the same thing that they put animals to sleep with, which I also deeply disapprove of.[/quote] Are you talking about putting the animals to sleep? If so, then that is stupid and you are the one being cruel...unless of course, you can tell me why it is kind to extend an animals suffering and pain? Because thats why they put animals to sleep. They don't just go "Oh dear, I don't like Binky any more. Off to the Vets."[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [QUOTE=kenshinsbabe][FONT=Georgia]How can you all be so heartless? I mean, even though he [I]is[/I] guilty, there has to be some other way to sentence him. His family has to watch him slowly die as he gets injected. The solitary confinement is the best idea out there. I'd want to kill myself if I were alone, but as long as he wanted to and couldn't, that would be okay. [/FONT][/QUOTE][size=1]If you're upset about people's being heartless, I don't see why you would advocate solitary confinement. It seems we have a lot of vengeful people here... / kissed by a rose, Sara[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drix D'Zanth Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [QUOTE=Lore][size=1]If you're upset about people's being heartless, I don't see why you would advocate solitary confinement. It seems we have a lot of vengeful people here... / kissed by a rose, Sara[/size][/QUOTE] I wonder how long we get an abortion thread and the people "for" the death penalty are suddenly "against" abortion.... I'm against both, personally. I thought Baron and DarkOtakuBoy made great posts. Not much more to be said, I suppose. If there were a death penalty.. it should be Scott put in a fairly large, empty room; then releasing several of Laci's family members to rough him up however they want. Despite the fact I'm against the death penalty, I would most likely kill anybody that killed my family; a flaw that I find most regrettable and unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiHorsewoman Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Drix D'Zanth']I wonder how long we get an abortion thread and the people "for" the death penalty are suddenly "against" abortion.[/quote] [color=darkviolet]Thanks Drix, I'll get right on that! =D But I still say a firing squad is the way to go. And they can go back to what they did before the electric chair and equip every shooter but one with a blank cartidge so nobody knows who's going to kill the guy. And the reason Manson is still on death row is because the courts keep allowing the guy to appeal his case. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting. Personally I'm against the death penalty in any situation, I don't believe that any human has the right to judge another fit to die. I believe that anyone who does commit a crime, no matter how terrible deserves a chance to be rehabilitated and rejoin society. I accept that sounds a little soft for a lot of people who have committed terrible crimes but I do feel that everyone deserves forgiveness for what they've done. Mostly that just comes down to my own beliefs as well as my faith as a Catholic, and yes as Drix pointed out I also find it amusing that people are pro-abortion by anti-Death Penalty and vice-versa.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]Thanks Drix, I'll get right on that! =D But I still say a firing squad is the way to go. And they can go back to what they did before the electric chair and equip every shooter but one with a blank cartidge so nobody knows who's going to kill the guy. And the reason Manson is still on death row is because the courts keep allowing the guy to appeal his case. [/color][/QUOTE] That is the same with all inmates on death row, lol. Their lawyers are going to keep appealing as long as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Fett Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Kane][SIZE=1'] I believe that anyone who does commit a crime, no matter how terrible deserves a chance to be rehabilitated and rejoin society.[/SIZE][/quote] [color=green]Tell that to the parents of dead children killed by ?reformed? ex-cons. There are some people out there that aren?t fit to live in society. They are a danger to the public, and to other inmates in prison. The death penalty makes sure that they never hurt anyone again.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Which is exactly why many people don't get released from prison Boba, least the ones that do horrible crimes. And anyways, as was all ready stated, many don't even get to the electric chair, injection, etc. They just die in their anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 [quote name='Boba Fett][color=green']Tell that to the parents of dead children killed by ?reformed? ex-cons. There are some people out there that aren?t fit to live in society. They are a danger to the public, and to other inmates in prison. The death penalty makes sure that they never hurt anyone again.[/color][/quote] [size=1]Those inverted commas don't do you any favours Dave, there are actually people who come out of the prison system in countries besides America reformed. Yes I agree that there aren't people fit to live in society, but does the fact that we deem them to be unfit give us the right to sentence them to death ? I honestly think not, but you are of course entitled to your own opinions. "[i]To make sure they never hurt anyone again.[/i]" an interesting sentiment, does locking them away from the rest of their lives not solve that problem ? Or do you believe that such evil people will eventually escape or be paroled thanks to some bleeding-heart liberal ?[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Fett Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 [quote name='Kane][size=1'] there are actually people who come out of the prison system in countries besides America reformed.[/size][/quote] [color=green]The American prison system works. We may have the highest incarceration rate of any developed nation (three times the norm), but [b]the US has the lowest overall crime rate among major western countries that report statistics to the United Nations.[/b] We keep people in prison because they are a danger to society, and the statistics show that this works.[/color] [quote name='Kane][size=1'] I agree that there aren't people fit to live in society, but does the fact that we deem them to be unfit give us the right to sentence them to death?[/size][/quote] [color=green]If we incarcerate them, they become a danger to other inmates. Cold as it sounds, I?ll sleep better at night with these wackos dead and buried.[/color] [quote name='Kane][size=1]"[i]To make sure they never hurt anyone again.[/i']" an interesting sentiment, does locking them away from the rest of their lives not solve that problem ?[/size][/quote] [color=green]Take a look at the violent crime rates inside prisons, and then talk to me again.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1][COLOR=SeaGreen] For now I've been kind of undecided about it, I think the crime he comitted killing his own wife and son that wasn't even born yet (not to mention the affair) is probably the most horrible crime you could commit. How can you say theres worse crimes then this? I think letting him die would be an easy release for him, if it were me, dieing wouldn't be a big deal, if you spent enternity in a high-upstate prison for the rest of your life, to me that would be hell. I think he should spend the rest of his life in prison and suffer like everyone else has too. Not get injected with a needle and have an easy death. [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 But seriously people, who honestly [i]wants[/i] to die? No one wants to die. Being put to death is not an easy release for him or anyone for that matter. People do not want to die, and the fact that they will be losing their life is punishment enough until it actually happens. It isn't easy living with the fact that you are going to be getting put to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Banjo Grls Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 :nope:I really believe this guy was innocent.[PLEASE DONT GET MAD AT ME] :blackeye: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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