Annie Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [color=darkslateblue][size=1]Oh my, I just finished watching QT's latest, [i]Hero[/i]. I just bought it on DVD today, and this is the first time I've seen the movie. I wanted to see it in theaters so badly, but was unable to make the showings. But now I own it, and I am happy. Well, I would be much happier if I could have enjoyed the colors better. My television or DVD player is messed up, because no matter how long I spent trying to adjust the color, picture, brightness, tint, et cetra, the movie just did not look right. I was rather upset because I put movies to the color usage. It makes it easier for me to associate situations in the movie with the colors used in that particular scene. In this movie, colors are very important. Most of Tarantino's movies revolve around color. Color signifies moods, feelings, emotions, situations. So, for me to watch this movie (which is filled with vivid color and amazing contrasts) without the proper color adjustments, was highly disappointing. But, that is going to be fixed. Aside from my retarded TV, the movie was beautiful. There are parts that I missed, so I must watch it again. I just wanted to hear from everyone on their views of the movie.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Webb Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Keep in mind that QT didn't direct (or even produce) this movie. He just "presented" it. He sponsored its import to American theatres. I never got around to seeing this movie. I heard the visuals were good, but some people were disappointed with the action, story, and overall length of the movie. You can tell Quentin Tarantino didn't make this movie, because his movies usually take more time to play than a videogame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [color=#811C3A]I never really had any problems with the film's length. It goes for the pretty standard time -- it's definitely not a three hour saga, but that isn't always necessary. Actually, it felt like a long movie to me...perhaps this is because it had some very slow moments. But slow isn't necessarily bad; Hero does it well. In regard to everything else, the action is probably on bar with Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. The only thing is that the action is a little bit more "artistic", for lack of a better word (as in, we often get more of a focus on slow motion movements and close-ups and so on). However, the colours really works to its advantage, in the sense that it provides a gorgeous context for many of the battles. The story, like Crouching Tiger, isn't particularly complicated or anything. I mean, I'd go so far as to say that it's a bit of a no-brainer. However, it's nonetheless a beautiful story -- as just about all Chinese legends are. It focuses on the beauty of small and great things alike. So, it definitely comes recommended from me, but primarily if you enjoy Chinese films. If you didn't like Crouching Tiger at all, it'll be tougher to get into Hero (although I think I did prefer Hero in the end).[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 [color=darkslateblue][size=1]Yes, I found similarities between Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Hero. The fight sequences in Hero were more exaggerated than in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. And the colors (I like color, if you couldn't tell) played more of a role. That makes me happy. The over-all length of Hero didn't really bother me. It was such a breathtaking movie, that I was sucked into it the whole 2 1/2 to three hours. Wonderful and vivid.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 [FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]Heh, I just rented this movie about half a week ago, and saw it for the first time. I was drawn to it mostly because of it's similarities with Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (which James has alluded to). Hero was a lot more emotional than Crouching Tiger, which made it better in my opinion. Though the variety of characters is limited because the same story is retold several times (eventually coming to the truth), the few characters there were I found really interesting, erm... people. The only thing that distracted me a bit was how formal and forced the voices seemed some of the time. It didn't really take anything away from the movie though. What surprised me about it was that the whole thing kind of takes place with Nameless sitting in front of the King of Qin (and the story is told in flash backs). This didn't make it bad by any means, but I had thought it was a little more, mm, spread out. Speaking of which, the scenery was amazing. And that's all I have to say...[/COLOR][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meggido Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I loved Hero. I think it would have to be the greatest tragedy of the last decade if not the last hundred years. I was so emotional in it. It would be the first movie that has had me weeping openly and that's a lot to say considering it was not once but at least three occasions. I can't wait for this film to reach DVD here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissWem Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 [COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]First off I'm going to say that I haven't watched this movie in about a year. Or whenever it may have first been released in HK. Honestly, I found the movie to be rather tedious. The story was alright though, I suppose I do like the idea of how it was told through a series of flash-backs, however I think there were either too many or, they just felt very lengthy. I think I just have a short attention span for movies such as these. As for the fight scenes, much like CTHD I found them too be overly artistic. Personally I've always been more fond of the older Chinese films which had the rougher, grittier scenes with less floatiness. I'm wondering though, has Hero been released with English dubbing? Or just with subtitles? I watched it in the original Mandarin version, unfortunately I'm not very fluent at it, eh heh.. [/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010DigitalBoy Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I went into the theater to see Hero in hopes of seeing the bloodless version of Kill Bill. I was expecting something that had a great Saiyuki style story with plenty of action. I also expected it to be like Ninja Scroll in a way. All of that desintegrated into what I conisider to be one of the most dissapointing movies in the last few years. I was perfectly fine with the unexpected fact that it was all Chinese. I watch a lot of my anime in Japanese. It wasn't bad to me that it was all a flashback. I was still expecting greatness. I loved the beginning. The battle with Sky was AWESOME. The music was great, the story was looking good, and everything was brilliantly colored, as so many of you have said. Then the whole thing hit the ground hard and fast. First there was the whole "calligraphy" scene. This seemed to drag itself out. And when the arrows started launching, I kept thinking, this is too predictable. Everything that happened at that part seemed so obvious that it was going to happen. Then there was just ALL this CRAP, and I was starting to get bored. Finally, things were wrapping up, and nothing was too horrible. Then the unthinkable happed, the entire thing was done AGAIN! Thats right, when this king thinks about the story, half the thing was done again, in a modified way. The same psople died, the same people cried, and the one good battle was never seen again. The actual major battles were just as repetitive as the story. The flower pettal thing was just the screaming lady charges, the other lady dodges, the screaming lady charges, the other lady dodges. Then there was the lake battle. One guy jumps, the other guy jumps, they bash swords, they jump, they bash swords, it just happened over and over! Half the battle was showing there FEET!!! The only other battle that was even lightly appealing was the battle in the green place, but that wasn't even all that great. I don't really see why the one guy liked the king so much. [spoiler] In the end, the king is spared. They could have left it at that. I would have still not liked it, but not hate it. Then the most horrible thig happened. The hero died. Dead. Gone. The king should have spared him! Or if he haldn't, the hero could have blocked the D@M# arrows![/spoiler] I hated Hero. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 [QUOTE=ThatOneOddDude] [spoiler] In the end, the king is spared. They could have left it at that. I would have still not liked it, but not hate it. Then the most horrible thig happened. The hero died. Dead. Gone. The king should have spared him! Or if he haldn't, the hero could have blocked the D@M# arrows![/spoiler] [/QUOTE] [color=#811C3A][spoiler]If he'd blocked the arrows, that would kinda have been ridiculous in the context of the story. From what I remember, the King didn't spare Jet Li (I forget his character's name), because sparing him would have diminished the King's position in the eyes of his court. As a result, he would not have been in a position to bring peace to China. Remember, Jet Li tells the King that he [i]doesn't[/i] want to assassinate him, because the King is the only man who can unite the different factions in China. This is why the scene is so tragic. It's like Anna and the King. The King wants to spare the hero -- but he is bound by his office not to do so. In other words, he really has no choice, because he has to follow a greater good.[/spoiler] In regard to the lake fight...I agree that it was a bit slow, but it was beautifully shot. It had a lot of meaning. [spoiler]I particularly loved the moment when he disregarded the battle to brush the water droplet off his lover's cheek. Although he was in a battle to the death, he still put himself at risk to ensure that his loved one -- his most prized treasure -- would remain comfortable and "perfect". The fact that Jet Li avoided hitting him was also great, it showed a strong sense of honor and a respect for their love.[/spoiler] So, yeah, the movie was slow in parts (and some people just won't like that regardless). But the slowness wasn't there for clumsy reasons or anything; it was a movie that had great philosophical significance, much of that significance being evident in the more subtle imagery.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ScirosDarkblade Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Meh, the comic book adaptation (which is illustrated very very well, by the way) changes the ending, in my opinion for the better. I think it isn't that the move was *slow* that was the problem, it's that as dynamic as the choreography is, the characters are all terriby static. It doesn't help that the acting is an atrocity, especially on Jet Li's part. That man should play the Terminator because he was born for the role. Hero would have been better if the lead had an emotional range beyond that of a crocodile. Another problem is that all of the impressiveness of the "real" martial arts is masked by boring and repetitive wire BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmystic_silverx Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [QUOTE=Manic] I never got around to seeing this movie. I heard the visuals were good, but some people were disappointed with the action, story, and overall length of the movie. You can tell Quentin Tarantino didn't make this movie, because his movies usually take more time to play than a videogame.[/QUOTE] I was disappointed =_= I wanted to see the movie so badly and then I bought it for my dad and we sat down and watched it. And I admit I had a hard time staying awake. The one thing I disliked the most is the "walking-on-water" and the "staying-in-the-air-for an-extremely-long-time." It just seemed fake. Does that make any sense? Heh. I should have expected it though, having seen Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidargh Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I don't understand how Hero can be classified as a bad film. Acting-wise, yes alright, Jet Li especially was a bit bland, but this didn't affect the film. I didn't particularily enjoy [i]Hero[/i], but this is because I found the sub-titling in the theatre especially fast so I couldn't read it and get a good view of the entire picture. And I'm not used to sub-titling, lol. I watched Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon with dubbing and I didn't find it too bad, plus, we used to have this Jet Li Friday Night thing on for months on Channel 5. The dubbing just made it hilarious. (Break enjoys my 'dubbing voice'.) Admittedly, I did go into the film expecting this bloody martial art film, and yes I was a bit surprised because the trailers didn't make it out as philosophical as it was, but I wasn't particularily bothered. I just feel I need to see it a second time to fully enjoy it. However, despite my gripes, I especially [i]loved[/i] some of the sets. Especially the set where Nameless fights Sky. That chess court was beautiful, plus, I love rain, lol. I'm surprised nobody has complimented the film in how the colours represented the different emotional perspectives of the film. Grey - Calm; Red - Anger + Lust; Green - Jealousy; White - The Greater Good; Blue - Sadness + Honour. Well, that's what I got from the film anyway. Either way, the cinematography was superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [QUOTE=ThatOneOddDude]First there was the whole "calligraphy" scene. This seemed to drag itself out. And when the arrows started launching, I kept thinking, this is too predictable. Everything that happened at that part seemed so obvious that it was going to happen. Then there was just ALL this CRAP, and I was starting to get bored. Finally, things were wrapping up, and nothing was too horrible. Then the unthinkable happed, the entire thing was done AGAIN! [/QUOTE][size=1]I was looking forward to [i]Hero[/i], largely because the the actual [i]art[/i] of the shooting that was evident in the trailers. I hadn't seen [i]Crouching tiger, Hidden Dragon[/i] at that point (although I did watch it with some friends a few weeks later). I enjoyed the film. I liked the calligraphy scene. The philosophy of calligraphy, heh--I enjoyed that. The use of color in each segment of the film was beautiful. Even without the contrast of the different parts, it's an incredible example of how color can be used to reflect and influence emotions. Plus, it was just really aesthetically pleasing. The red story in particular--I could watch it again, not paying attention to anything but color. But, I suppose I'm that kind of person. Jet Li's acting, heh. I didn't really even notice (although I don't profess to be an expert on the quality of acting) that it was a problem. I think it worked for Nameless. He didn't need to be especially emotional or anything. For most of the flim, he had a goal, he was focused on the goal, and he worked towards the goal. *shrugs* Anyway, it wasn't [i]moving[/i] or anything, but it was alright for the character. breakfast of champions, Sara[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 [QUOTE=Zidargh] I'm surprised nobody has complimented the film in how the colours represented the different emotional perspectives of the film. Grey - Calm; Red - Anger + Lust; Green - Jealousy; White - The Greater Good; Blue - Sadness + Honour.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.myotaku.com/users/animangademon/life/][color=magenta][size=1][b][u]Here's my input on that.[/size][/u][/b][/color][/url] [color=darkslateblue]There you will find my fascination for colour. I agree with you in that the colors played a major role in this movie. Even if you could not read the subtitles quick enough, you were still able to grasp the content of the scene through the variety of color. The Sky vs Nameless scene was magnificent. The rain was beautiful and set the mood to the fight. The next fight scene that mystified me was the one between Flying Snow (Maggie Cheung) and Zhang Ziyi. The contrast of Snow's passion (color=red) against the bright, falling yellow leaves and the relentless wind (which I saw to be her sorrow and shame) was brilliant. If you read myO's post on colour, you'll see my obsession for this topic. -Jet Li's acting, I agree with Lore. Li's character (Nameless) was not meant for emotions and drama; you got enough of that through his many stories. He was there to accomplish a goal. He was an assassin. -The length of the "flash backs", I felt that the length of all was necessary. There was so much to be said, and the length abided to this need. As James said, the fight on the lake may have been lengthy, but it was needed to show Broken Sword's love for Snow. And Nameless's respect for Sword and Snow. It showed sides of the characters that would never have been completely shown if it were deleted from the movie. Respect and honor are two very important factors in Asian culture. And that scene captured that fact. -The artistics of the battles. Of course, this was intentional. The "floatiness" is the discipline of freeing your spirit, freeing your mind, allowing kharma and fate to guide you. Having faith in your abilities. And all of the "floatiness" represents just that. I think most people underestimate the meaning of Chinese, or Asian, movies. You have to remember the ways of their culture. Knowing this, it should make sense as to why Asian directors do the things they do.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010DigitalBoy Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [quote]-Jet Li's acting, I agree with Lore. Li's character (Nameless) was not meant for emotions and drama; you got enough of that through his many stories. He was there to accomplish a goal. He was an assassin. [/quote] But thats not exactly true. There were plenty of parts where he had a clear empathy towards his opponents that should have been shown, but this guy kept the exact strait face through the entire movie. I might have bee moved a little more if he actually showed some feeling. I understand that the colors are great. I agree. I also agree that the battle with Sky was freiking awesome. But the flashbacks were pretty much the same thing every time! I cant remember what those words were, but Snow kept saying this one phrase over and over again. Seeing these people die once was alright. Seeing the people die 6 times, allways from a stab in the stomach, is just wrong. When the green scene came, I was kind of relieved, but then it went back to the crap. There was so much power put into the red scene, only for it all to be a lie! That was kind of like watching thirty minutes of absolutely nothing! Then, we see the kings version. But since that turns out to be incorrect, I gain nothing from that either. The only thing I truly gained anything from, and that was the last scene, which I didn't like. Also, the king kind of had some kind of growth spurt in intellegence. In the beginning, he doesn't even know his own countries language, then suddenly he is extremely intelegent. Not to mention the whole thing with Nameless and Broken Sword (BS for short hehehe) coming from the same place ir whatever was weird. I give it a four out of ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Navy][QUOTE=ThatOneOddDude] I understand that the colors are great. I agree. I also agree that the battle with Sky was freiking awesome. But the flashbacks were pretty much the same thing every time! There was so much power put into the red scene, only for it all to be a lie! That was kind of like watching thirty minutes of absolutely nothing! Then, we see the kings version. But since that turns out to be incorrect, I gain nothing from that either. The only thing I truly gained anything from, and that was the last scene, which I didn't like.[/QUOTE] I don't think you're getting what Annie and the others are trying to say. First off, the repetition tells a story. It shows how Nameless' lie is revealed as such, and eventually formed into the truth. They show the 'same thing' over and over to show how the lie evolves into what actually happened. And while you may not like it, it has a deeper meaning. You say it shows the same thing every time- wrong. Each flashback, though showing the same time and place, is dramatically different from the last. Second, from my perspective, it seems that all you were expecting out of this movie was great action. Even you should know that a Chinese legacy is always much more than just good action. And, as has been said, Jet Li wasn't [i]supposed[/i] to [i]show[/i] emotion. Though there may have been parts where he obviously had ssome kind of empathy, his character is one that wouldn't show it. Like Annie said: he's on a mission. Besides, you get enough emotion from Snow and Broken Sword to cover everyone. You need to rethink what this movie is supposed to be. It's a legacy, a story to be told. Not just an action flick with cool swords. PS: The fight scene with Snow in the field of leaves is my favorite. Very nice.[/COLOR][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010DigitalBoy Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 woah now, that isn't true. I wasn't expecting cool battle scenes, because it was only rated PG13. I also had no idea it was a CHinese movie. The comercial didn't say anything about that. The battles in the movie were so (and I will be harsh) horrible, that I would have prefered there be no action AT ALL. I was expecting a better story. Kill Bill wasn't ALL about the blood. Kill Bill had a great story of revenge and hate. Most Chinese legends I have read and seen have been eally good. Even the ones that are about morals and not action at all are better than Hero. You may have liked the story.... I DIDNT. Sure there was a dramatic difference in each flashback, but all of them involve the same three people doing practically the exact same thing. Some parts were all right, like when he knocked over all those scrolls, and when BS wen't over to wipe the water off of FS's cheek. But the OVERALL story was just wrong. You said yourself that the lie was evolving, but I would have enjoyed it a heck of a lot more if it was just the truth. And I don't see how the guy was a hero. (and quite frankly, I don't care) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 [color=darkslateblue]Oh my, where do I begin?[/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']I wasn't expecting cool battle scenes, because it was only rated PG13.[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]That will come into play in a minute.[/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']The battles in the movie were so (and I will be harsh) horrible, that I would have prefered there be no action AT ALL.[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]Really now? You said yourself that the rating was PG-13. Didn't it occur to you that it [b]wasn't meant to be an action movie to begin with?[/b] Seriously, start really looking into movies, rather than pick them apart to find something that [b]you[/b] want to see. Watch movies for what they mean. [/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']I was expecting a better story. Kill Bill wasn't ALL about the blood. Kill Bill had a great story of revenge and hate.[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]Oh, and this movie wasn't about hate and revenge? That tells me you didn't really watch the movie. Nameless explains why he's set on assassinating the king. It's out of his hatred for the King, and his lust for revenge, that sets the story into motion. I'm not going to explain this perfectly clear picture to you. [b]Go watch the movie again, and really pay attention.[/b] [/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']Sure there was a dramatic difference in each flashback, but all of them involve the same three people doing practically the exact same thing. [/quote] [color=darkslateblue]Oh my God. Each flashback was, in fact, different. The red scenes were way different from a white/blue scene. The anger wasn't in the blue scenes as much as the red. (Hint: colours say more than words, duh) The blue/white scenes were more loving and longing; rather than the red scenes that were hateful and violent. [b]Once again, go watch the movie and pay attention.[/b] [/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']Some parts were all right, like when he knocked over all those scrolls, and when BS wen't over to wipe the water off of FS's cheek. But the OVERALL story was just wrong.[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]What was wrong about the story? What? I'm not seeing this. The story is beautiful. It tells stories of love, hate, passion, and respect. It tells us stories within one story. Or maybe your mind is too shallow and simple to grasp that.[/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']You said yourself that the lie was evolving, but I would have enjoyed it a heck of a lot more if it was just the truth.[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]The point of the movie was to eventually come to a truth. If it had simply spilled the truth within the first half hour, then you wouldn't have a story to the movie. It would have been a stillmate. It would have been a yuppy, drab, and colourless movie. Or is it that some people just don't have taste? You take your pick, because I'm sure I know what it is.[/color] [quote name='ThatOneOddDude']And I don't see how the guy was a hero. (and quite frankly, I don't care)[/quote] [color=darkslateblue]Ever heard of "it's just an expression"? Besides, didn't he let the king live? He could easily have murdered the king, but he chose not to. And in choosing to let the king live, what we know now as China, would not have come to pass. Letting the king live allowed unity to all of the lands that make up "our land". Thus, making him a "hero". But you wouldn't see that, would you? You have alot to learn when it comes to interpretation of a story.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010DigitalBoy Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hey, hey, settle down, its just a movie! You have your opinions and they may be right, but that doesn't mean mine are wrong. This thread WAS started asking for opinions right? As for watching the movie again? No thanks. I don't have enough money to even rent it. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [color=#811C3A]Erm, yeah...he wasn't a hero in the sense that he went around and killed bad guys. He was a hero because he overcame "the use of the sword" and utilised a peaceful solution. I think that opinions can be wrong, in the sense that you may not have totally understood the film and its purpose. But if you don't like it, you don't like it. Sometimes understanding it more helps you to at least appreciate it more -- but even then, you may not get enjoyment from it. It's a bit like Shakespeare. I don't really enjoy reading Shakespeare at all -- but I appreciate the exquisite language and detail apparent in his plays. So I can appreciate it, but I may not actually enjoy it in terms of entertainment. Note: Chill. It's just a discussion. When someone responds or disagrees, it doesn't necessarily mean they're flaming you. But at the same time, people are allowed to dislike things, even if they may not totally understand them. Let's be mature, people. ^_^[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hmm... I assumed that I had already posted in this thread, but I guess I must have been thinking of something else. Anyway, I didn't care for Hero. It made for a relatively entertaining evening, I guess, but I feel absolutely no desire to watch it again. The trailer(s) really gave me the wrong impression of the battle sequences--I have very specific tastes when it comes to action, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon-type hijinks just aren't something I particularly enjoy watching. If they had put half as much effort into the story, the movie as a whole could have been shorter and a whole lot sweeter. I'll admit that the billowing cloth and blowing leaves were ravishingly beautiful, but the action scenes could have--should have--been executed much more concisely. It just grates on me when two expert martial artists go at it and the resulting fight feels so darn slow and [i]languid[/i]. Also, the fact that the filmmakers seemed to be glorifying the king probably bothered me more than anything. Couldn't they have picked a historical figure more deserving of admiration than Qin? He accomplished a couple of good things, but overall he was a vicious, cruel ruler who basically revelled in censorship, tried to erase the past and slaughtered just about everyone who opposed his ideals. The film would have been more tragic and realistic, in my opinion, if the script-writers and director chose not to gloss over his bad qualities. As it was, the premise left a bad taste in my mouth. ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=DarkRed][QUOTE=Annie] [color=darkslateblue]Ever heard of "it's just an expression"? Besides, didn't he let the king live? He could easily have murdered the king, but he chose not to. And in choosing to let the king live, what we know now as China, would not have come to pass. Letting the king live allowed unity to all of the lands that make up "our land". Thus, making him a "hero". But you wouldn't see that, would you? [/color][/QUOTE] First off, well said. Anyway- if you remember the beginning of the movie, it said something alongthe lines of 'In every war there are heros on both sides.' Nameless was a hero in several ways. First, he was a hero to Zhao(sp?) and the three assassins for having this elaborate plot to kill the king. Then he was a hero to Qin for killing the three assasssins (even though it was a lie). Then he was a hero to all of ancient China for sparing the king and so on (refer to Annie's post). He may have even been a hero to the king himself for revealing to him the philosophy of laying down your sword, or whatever the exact quote was. [quote]If they had put half as much effort into the story, the movie as a whole could have been shorter and a whole lot sweeter.[/quote] Forgive me if I'm interpretting this statement incorrectly, but did you even pay attention to the story? The story [i]was[/i] the 'good' part. Oh nevermind. I'm not going to bother -.-*[/COLOR][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 [quote name='Kyuai][FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=DarkRed]Forgive me if I'm interpretting this statement incorrectly, but did you even pay attention to the story? The story [i]was[/i] the 'good' part. Oh nevermind. I'm not going to bother -.-*[/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote] Um, yes. Would I comment about the plot if I had been disregarding it? I fail to understand why you insulted my ability to comprehend the movie and then simply said, "Oh nevermind. I'm not going to bother." If you're going to imply that I missed something important, the least you can do is attempt to explain whatever it is that I overlooked. The way things are, it sounds as though you believe I disliked the story because I ignored it--which I didn't. To me, the story was most definitely not the good part. It was the part which had potential, but didn't meet said potential. It was the part that glorified a sovereign who is comparable to Stalin. In my opinion, the best aspect of Hero was its cinematography. ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Zidargh']We used to have this Jet Li Friday Night thing on for months on Channel 5. The dubbing just made it hilarious. (Break enjoys my 'dubbing voice'.)[/quote] [color=purple]Ahh yes... those Jet Li films set in ancient China can be so funny. Your dubbing voice is great, very wise you should say that. *strokes beard*[/color] [QUOTE][i]However, despite my gripes, I especially [i]loved[/i] some of the sets. Especially the set where Nameless fights Sky. That chess court was beautiful, plus, love rain, lol.[/i][/QUOTE] [color=purple]I also loved that, the rain had an amazing effect on the scene. However, I'd have to say that my favourite scene was either the fight between the two girls in all the red and yellow leaves. Autumn is great. Hmm, I liked the calligraphy scene too, quite powerful in the fact that the calligraphers are so strong willed that they are willing to die whilst practicing what they devote their life to.[/color] [QUOTE][i]I'm surprised nobody has complimented the film in how the colours represented the different emotional perspectives of the film. Grey - Calm; Red - Anger + Lust; Green - Jealousy; White - The Greater Good; Blue - Sadness + Honour. Well, that's what I got from the film anyway.[/i][/QUOTE] [color=purple]I love colours and their meanings, I guess that's why I liked the film quite a lot. I did unfortunately go into the cinema expecting a film with lots of fast and furious fights, typical of Jet Li, so the slowness of the film did hinder my liking of it slightly.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miryoku Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 it was the best asian film i've seen since crouching tiger hidden dragon. I love the fact that it was historicaly acurate to the time of the Qin dynasty. the clothing and weponry were so cool. I also noticet the color thing wich helps to put you in the mood of the scene it also helps to foreshadow what will happen in the scene, the amazing thing about the colors is weather or not you could point out exactly what they meant in words you understood their usage. I just baugt the dvd and it's a great movie. I was watching it w/my family they're not big into asian movies especialy chinese martial arts films so they fell asleep, that was good cuz half way through the movie i started crying and did'nt stop until 30 minutes after it ended. so all in all a great movie great plot, great story, great use of color, and it hits the viewers emotions in ways i can't explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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