Gaming Which new generation systems will fail?

[QuincyArcher]

[quote name='Morpheus'] The XBox is a commercial failure and the new xbox will cost at least $700[/quote]

I dunno man, if anything the gamecube is a commercial failure. it has sold the least out of the 3 consoles and it relies completely on it's first-party titles (i.e. Mario, Zelda & Metroid) good third-party titles on the gamecube are few and far between. Microsoft may be loosing money on each console they make, but what they loose on the console production they make up for it in publishing, licensing and xbox live subscriptions. Whether you want to believe it or not Halo 2 was the best selling game this year, even the 3-year-old original Halo was #9 in the top 10, but not a single GC game made the top 10 in sales this year. Also in regards to the xbox costing over $700, i understand you were exaggerating, but no console has ever cost more than $300 brand new and i don't think either sony, microsoft or nintendo is stupid enough to make that move now, it would just be bad marketing. although i do think multiple versions of a console, low end costing less and a high end version costing more, is entirely possible.

I loved nintendo growing up, i grew up on the original Nintendo, then the Snes (still the greatest console of all time), the N64 was alright, but then the GC was utterly horrible. They design it with a target audience of 10-15 years old (in both hardware and software, i mean come on.... a purple console?!) and the only thing holding nintendo together these days is Pokemon/Gameboy sales.

[James]

[color=#811C3A]The thing is, how do you define success?

Microsoft has sold more Xbox consoles than Nintendo have sold GameCubes in North America, but Microsoft's Xbox division has made a net loss on their console business. Xbox Live and software publishing don't come close to making up the reported $5 billion or so that the division will have lost during the Xbox's lifespan (this figure was provided by Microsoft itself, by the way).

Conversely, Nintendo is not a business that operates at a loss by choice. That is, they aren't in the "win their minds with one generation and their cash in the next" mindset. GameCube is profitable. Sizeably profitable.

So you have to ask yourself, do you define success by sales numbers or profits? What good are higher sales if you've made a massive financial loss?

The Xbox division cannot continue losing money forever. One day, it will have to turn itself around, or else it'll be a burden for stockholders. If Xbox 2 somehow [i]doesn't[/i] repair this problem, there's an increasing chance that Microsoft would kill off the entire division.

Mind you, I'm not as skeptical as some people here; I don't think they have acknowledged Microsoft's strengths for the next generation. But nevertheless, I also believe that people are often taking in misconceptions about Nintendo's position.[/color]

[PWNED]

I would have to say that X-Box 2 will fail unless Microsoft adress the problems from the original X-Box like size, weight and other problems. I have to also say that the PSP because besides from a few extra features than the DS it is nothing big because it has no backward compatibility unlike the DS which allows the playing of GBA games. The X-Box relied on Halo to drive it at first and since Microsoft has denounced backward compatibility then the only games they can play are the ones for X-Box 2 not X-Box 1. That is my Rant on the consoles which will fail and PS3 may fail if they denounce Backward Compatibility.

From the pits of Melbourne to bring the dirt on consoles,
DN.

[Grunt Salesman]

[QUOTE=Daermon_Nashabe]I would have to say that X-Box 2 will fail unless Microsoft adress the problems from the original X-Box like size, weight and other problems. I have to also say that the PSP because besides from a few extra features than the DS it is nothing big because it has no backward compatibility unlike the DS which allows the playing of GBA games. The X-Box relied on Halo to drive it at first and since Microsoft has denounced backward compatibility then the only games they can play are the ones for X-Box 2 not X-Box 1. That is my Rant on the consoles which will fail and PS3 may fail if they denounce Backward Compatibility.

From the pits of Melbourne to bring the dirt on consoles,
DN.[/QUOTE]

There are NO problems with the Xbox's "size and weight". I want a big heavy console. It makes it feel American. It makes the console feel like it wont fall apart in my hands *coughPS2cough*. It makes it the juggernaut of gaming that the Xbox is today. The Xbox 2 WILL have backwards compatability, you people need to read your current articles. I read that stuff a few months, and Bill Gates has recently confirmed backwards compatability in an interview :D.
The Xbox is the most powerful console on the market by far. Just sheer raw power. Power that allows developers to make games as good as they can, and not be restricted by Sony's weak hardware. The Xbox2 will have upwards of 10 times as much power. See how good Halo 2's graphics are? Halo 2.5 for the Xbox 2 is going to have at least 3 times the resolution on textures, and much higher poly models. The lightmaps are being redone to be so good as to toll even the Xenon. The Microsoft team isin't trying to take over the market or make all of this money, they're trying to give people a good console, that wont fall apart in your hands *coughSONYcough*.

I don't think any will necessarily [i]fail[/i], but I think that the Xbox 2 will be worth my money. :) I might buy a PS3 if Sony doesn't make another pile of crap like the PS2.

[James]

[QUOTE=Daermon_Nashabe]I would have to say that X-Box 2 will fail unless Microsoft adress the problems from the original X-Box like size, weight and other problems. I have to also say that the PSP because besides from a few extra features than the DS it is nothing big because it has no backward compatibility unlike the DS which allows the playing of GBA games. The X-Box relied on Halo to drive it at first and since Microsoft has denounced backward compatibility then the only games they can play are the ones for X-Box 2 not X-Box 1. That is my Rant on the consoles which will fail and PS3 may fail if they denounce Backward Compatibility.

From the pits of Melbourne to bring the dirt on consoles,
DN.[/QUOTE]

[color=#811C3A]I'm not sure if backwards compatibility is the be-all and end-all.

I mean, it's a nice feature, but I read a statistic a while ago which showed that few people actually play PSX games on PS2. I think the figure was below 30%, but I can't be certain at this point.

If Microsoft can remove backwards compatibility but [i]add[/i] something else (or make the unit smaller/lighter/cheaper), then I think everyone can win out.

Of course, Xbox's price is likely to drop once more before Xbox 2 comes out (and probably a few times after that). So I think that people will have plenty of chances to keep enjoying Xbox without necessarily investing in Xbox 2.[/color]

[Shinmaru]

Backwards compatibility is nice, but I don't particularly think that it should be a requirement for a company who has an older system with a large library of games. None of Nintendo's home consoles have had backwards compatibility from the start, and I don't really miss it all too much. So, if Microsoft decided not to include backwards compatibility in their next console, I won't mind. Maybe if I didn't already own an XBox I might care a bit more, but I don't know.

For some reason, though, it's more of an issue in handheld systems. I certainly make extensive use of the backwards compatibility in my GBA and DS a lot of the time.

EDIT: Yeah, I agree with Des and Morpheus, actually. Early in the morning, obvious reasons don't pop into my head, and whatnot.

[Morpheus]

I think it's a bigger deal with a handheld because you can have 20 systems in your house and play with each of them easily, but you don't want to carry around 5 handhelds to play your favorite games.

[Desbreko]

[color=#4B0082]Personally, I don't care if any of the next generation consoles are backwards compatible. I keep all my old systems anyway, and the only reason I play PS1 games on my PS2 is because it's easier to only have the one system hooked up. Heck, I still have my N64 and SNES hooked up, in addition to my GCN and PS2.

The only reason I would care if a system were backwards compatible would be in cases where I don't have the first system. And while this would be the case with the Xbox 2, I doubt I'm going to be getting one anyway.

With handhelds, I think the issue is bigger because of their mobility. Yeah, who cares if you have two consoles sitting in front of a TV instead of backwards compatibility on the newer one. But what about carrying around two handhelds instead of having backwards compatibility on the newer one? The first I don't mind, but the second I do, because it's more of a hassle.

I've no doubt that any time I take my Nintendo DS anywhere (after I get one, that is), I'll be making good use of the GBA cartridge slot simply because I have a good number of GBA games that I still like to play. And that way, I can carry two games with the system and not even have it take up any more space. SM64DS + ZLTTP = awesome.[/color]

[Misaki Mitsu]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Red]tisk tisk tisk James. i dont think anyone here gets it. the producers of the game systems will not produce games for the older versions. so then by that, they make you buy the new game systems and buy the newer games. like now, you can not find the gameboy (original) games that havent been used before. okay so maybe you can find a few but they are limited. heck, soon we might have game consoles that we can just put over our heads (like the ones in .hack). America is already buying parts of the moon, so when we finally build a hotel up there, they can have houses. :: shoots the moon down ::"wheee!!" ::[/COLOR][/FONT]

[Morpheus]

Gameboy has been dead for six and a half years, so of course there is no support. But nintendo has a knack for supporting it's succesful consoles. The last game for:
Gameboy: '99
GBC: '04
NES:'94
SNES: '96-'97

You see, GBA is the best selling system ever. Their not just going to drop it like a brick. Pokemon, Zelda, and Warioware will make(or have made) more appearances on GBA before support dies.

[James]

[quote name='Misaki Mitsu][FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Red]tisk tisk tisk James. i dont think anyone here gets it. the producers of the game systems will not produce games for the older versions. so then by that, they make you buy the new game systems and buy the newer games. like now, you can not find the gameboy (original) games that havent been used before. okay so maybe you can find a few but they are limited. heck, soon we might have game consoles that we can just put over our heads (like the ones in .hack). America is already buying parts of the moon, so when we finally build a hotel up there, they can have houses. :: shoots the moon down ::"wheee!!" ::[/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote]

[color=#811C3A]But your point is irrelevant. That's what I'm saying.

What you are describing is natural. Of course companies won't continue to support old systems once they are no longer on retail shelves -- it makes no sense to do so. And consumers demand new product releases.

If this process didn't happen we'd never get anything new. You can't expect companies to support redundant machines years and years after their release.[/color]

[The Vampire: Ed]

[quote name='Misaki Mitsu][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Red] i didnt mean that Xbox will fail, it will just kinda have no more use.[/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote]

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Okay, so if you didn't mean that the XBox would fail, then, why did you say it? You said XBox would fail. So if you didn't mean to say it, why say it? Say what you mean.

Anyway, although James pretty much covered everything I don't see how there won't be anymore use for the XBox. What if XBox 2 isn't backwards compatible and you still want to play your XBox games? Well, you're still going to need the XBox then won't you? It'll still have some use to it, unless of course Microsoft makes XBox 2 backwards compatible like the PS2, which basically made the Playstation one itself pretty useless. Also, you could use the XBox as a sort of juke box if you wanted to once the XBox 2 is released. Load up all your favorite songs and just play them off your XBox instead of using them in your stereo and scratching the CDs up. There is one use for a "useless" Xbox.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Misaki Mitsu]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Red] :: falls over dead :: i think he got it. and i think he should get a cookie for that too :: grin ::

still.... wait...now after this argument or what ever you want to call it, it seems sort of pointless.

~maybe thats just my conclusion ~ :confused:

god Ed, you sound like my father, just always pissin and moanin about stuff. :flaming: [/COLOR][/FONT]

[The Vampire: Ed]

[quote name='Misaki Mitsu][FONT=Palatino Linotype][COLOR=Red] god Ed, you sound like my father, just always pissin and moanin about stuff. :flaming: [/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote]

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Hey, I say what I mean and mean what I say. It's not my fault you made the mistake of saying something so wrong. Next time just say what you really mean instead of having to come up with little clues for James and I to figure out what you really meant. Besides, how is it pissing and moaning when I'm making actual conversation about the usefulness of the XBox even after the next generation of consoles are released? And another thing the whole argument you made was pointless because you were just stating something everyone knew, except worded poorly so no one really understood what you initially meant. [/FONT][/COLOR]