Outrageous!.... is it?

[Eternal Snow]

More and more youths in my country are being pressurised by their parents, teachers, studies as well as their co-curricular activities.... to add things worse, some parents "force" them to have tuition every day (don't laugh, my friends have this almost everyday for about 2-3 hours on different subjects) just because they want their child to get to University, and get a good paying job.

I know that these parents care for their child, but isn't this way too much? Yes, a little pressure is alright, but these people are way too pushy. I would like to hear your opinion about this topic, and whether such things happened to you or your friends.

[TheShinje]

You pay through the nose for tuition, be grateful they care enough.

[MissWem]

[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]Hmm, aside from me and one other person, I think everybody I know at my school receives tuition for something. Although many of them don't do any extra-curricular acitivities which isn't a good thing either. It's difficult, some people do respond to tuition though and it's of genuine use to them. Others as I've noted don't seem to do any better with it.

I've never ever had tuition for school subjects but then, my parents don't ever pressure me to do anything school-wise. I suppose it works out, but when teachers put me under pressure I crack like a piece of balsa wood ~_~

All parents want their children to succeed. Some want to be more proactive about it. By saying it's a "cop-out" is a very cynical way of looking at it. The student should want to do well, so that they themselves can get a good job with money and be proud of themselves. So it isn't completely unfair of the parent to say "I want what's best for you."[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Lady_Rin]

I,m confused I think he/she may mean being tutored. The context of her English says that.

[quote="Eternal Snow"]...some parents "force" them to [b]have tuition[/b] every day (don't laugh, my friends have this almost everyday [b]for about 2-3 hours[/b] on different subjects) just because they want their child to get to University, and get a good paying job.

So I shall ask;

Eternal Snow, when you say tuition do you mean to pay for materials and classes or additional study with someone to help you privately.

[Delta]

[color=#B33D79]*shakes Lady Rin's hand* Am amazed! Am now a big fan of yours.

[b]Tuition[/b]
A lot of children wish they could go to school but their families haven't the money to send them to one. A woman here even sold her kidneys to pay for her child's tuition fees(a gory truth!) The only way their kids could go to a decent university (without dis-organ-ment) is with a scholarship.

Be grateful that your parents are well-off and took the risk of investing money in your education. They're not doing it for themselves, though; they're doing it for you. You said it yourself: they want you to have a good-paying job. Who'll take care of you when thy become senile and die?

[b]Tutor[/b]
I like being tutored. No, it's not like I'm the university dunce or whatever but I find it easier to study with somebody who knows the subject. That way, any misconceptions I had may be corrected. Thing is, I'm already in college and it's only now that I appreciate this "tutor-business" (sic). I say enroll in tutorials while you can get them!

Oh yeah, the only way you can get rid of tutorials is to get better at the subject. ^_^'

Love and Peace!
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[Eternal Snow]

No Lady_Rin, I mean neither, and I'm sorry if my English can make people confused. You see, lately, the education minister has changed the policy of schools : having Saturdays as a "family" day - meaning that Saturaday is not a school activity day - the school has very little time to teach the students. Futhermore, students have remedial lessons after school, and a compulsory co-curricular activity(CCA) that may last till 5 to 6 pm. The students, after going through a long day, has to go through another round of learning things. The students have no choice but to attend the tuition, or else their parents' money will go down the drain, even if they don't want to go for it.

I was trying to symphatise with those students that have to go through this, as they seem to have no freedom, and I find that this is not letting them have this "freedom" is not really fair. If just 1 day in school is tiring (including after-school activity), think about students who have to go to tuition immediately after school, it'd be worse.

EDIT: I just noticed that my CCA is at the afternoon, and, being in a uniformed group, I get dismissed at 5, close to 6. If those students live rather far, and reach home, they might be facing their tuition teacher..... and homework which they have not yet done. Then finishing everything up, some of them may sleep at 12 midnight, waking up at 5 or 6 in the morning to go to school.

PS. This may get worse during the exams

[Delta]

[COLOR=#B33D79] Oh... I think remedial lessons should be taken voluntarily. It's the kid's choice if she wants to get better at the subject.
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[Eternal Snow]

True, but for enrichment classes, especially at for all secondary students, is very important. Remedial is different, if that student did badly in a subject, he is imformed that he must to turn up for that particular remidial. For both cases, the teachers will call up the parents if the student did not turn up. :?

[DeathBug]

Honestly, I don't see what the problem is. Yeah, putting all that effort into school might be unpleasant now, but in the short run, it'll pay off. Yes, I said "Short run"; all the time I spent doing school work got me the grades that payed for a %100 scholarship right out of high school. When things like this start to happen, the effort seems worhthwhile.

As long as the students aren't having problems taking on the workload, I don't see any conflict.

[Ravenstorture]

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Well, down here in Australia things certainly aren't taken as seriously as say, in Japan, where schooling and results are becoming what seems like a life and death matter. So tutoring is available in school, no fee, just a teacher spending a bit of extra time with some students if they want. Or if you want to pay money for professional tutoring, that can be easily arranged and certainly isn't anything exceptional. I am actually a tutor myself, or I used to tutor younger grades in my spare time for some extra money.

I just finished high school and got an OP of 3, out of one to twenty five, which I am very happy with as it has placed me in the top ten percent of my state. But school results here are just a ticket to university, and university degrees are just tickets to certain jobs that you can get any number of ways. A close friend of mine did rather badly at school - no sweat. We love him for who he is anyway, and he just had to tweak his uni application a bit.

Very rarely down here is there any excess pressure to perform well at school, because everyone knows a child does best if he or she is relaxed in the learning environment. And now the government and workforce has made it so that an education is very easily attainable, and not necessary for an occupation.
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[Sara]

[QUOTE=Freude][color=#B33D79][b]Tutor[/b]
I like being tutored. No, it's not like I'm the university dunce or whatever but I find it easier to study with somebody who knows the subject. That way, any misconceptions I had may be corrected. [/COLOR][/QUOTE][color=#4b4b79]I have to agree--having help on a subject is [i]wonderful[/i]. Through grade school and high school, with a couple exceptions, I was always able to muck through my lessons on my own. This year in Calculus, there is no way I would have made it through without help from my friends who had already been through the class (and often, a few classes further.) The whole set-up of Uni Calc was so different from anything I had encountered before. [i]All[/i] the material was new, and it was being taught in a completely un-highschool-like way. As it was, with the help I got--just being able to ask questions of someone who knew what they were doing, and who was patient enough to explain--helped incredibly.

[quote name='DeathBug']Honestly, I don't see what the problem is. Yeah, putting all that effort into school might be unpleasant now, but in the short run, it'll pay off. Yes, I said "Short run"; all the time I spent doing school work got me the grades that payed for a %100 scholarship right out of high school. When things like this start to happen, the effort seems worhthwhile.[/quote]

Deathbug has a point as well. I worked my tail off applying for scholarships my senior year, and (along with my grades) it really payed off. I got several great scholarships--not all of them are renewable (that means that some of them will last for more than one year, and some of them are one-time grants), but I literally payed [i]nothing[/i] for tuition or housing last semester--I got a [i]refund[/i] of two hundred dollars, because I had more scholarship money than I needed. It was awesome.

truly scrumptious,
Sara[/color]

[Attimus331]

I think it depends on the kid. If it's a smart kid who cares about his future, then let him decide. If it's some punk kids who don't care about education, then it's alright to force them. Kids don't know what's best for them. An education is much more important than what some kids will say is more important. More than likely the kids will thank their parents later...maybe, maybe not. But i do believe it's important for the kids to have time off, so they don't lose their minds. Parents gotta be able to compromise with their kids. If they force them to do this, maybe they should reward them later with something cool....

Later.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Personally I really don't like it. I was never one to enjoy my legal guardians pressuring me into doing something I don't want to do.

When I was a very little kid, a thought occured to me. This became one of the ideas that I strongly hold to today: [i]It's not for the children[/i]. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but let me explain:

I've heard parents say verbatim "I want Michael to do well in school." "I'm not going to let my son fail highschool", "My little girl has the best grades in the class," And a few other non-verbatim statements, such as participating in extracuricular activities to buld up character. Then those parents turn around, and brag about how well their child is doing with little regard for their feelings.

Words such as "love" and "good for you" are thrown around carelessly by parents not knowing that it can create an emotionally dead adolescent (like me). Most parents have enough sense to know that if a child get's a B+ and 5 "A"s in the third grade, it isn't going to matter much. The manager for an Aerosol factory isn't going to say "Oh, well, I would've promoted you, but you got a B+ instead of an A in the third grade. Whether it be "breaking a habit" or teaching them to succed, it has more reprocussions than positive outcomes.

It occured to me at a young age that my own Parent, and many of my friends really didn't care about their child. They cared about numero uno. The fulfillment of their own selfrighteous desires. "I'm doing this for your future" is a machine-like tag-line that is thrown into the mix to provide some sort of explanation as to why the parents would physically strike a child for not having strait "A"s that only applies in less instances than it doesn't. What's sad is that the majority of people don't even acknowledge that they are doing it.


Through time, I have also lost a lot of faith in the school system's effectiveness. Whenever you hear about someone who succeeds, they are majorily those who went to college, did well in school, and learned many of life's lessons the hard way.

What people failed to realize is that there were at least 20 other people in those same classes with the same education that didn't become the successful doctor or politician or scientist. Why they didn't? Varioius reasons. And now, those 20 other people go and get lower-end jobs, making it difficult for others with less apeal on paper to get those jobs. (I have family members who experienced this, aswell as friends).

So I have always held it to this: If you are smart and can succeed and stuff, go ahead and take honors classes and extra-curricular. If you want to succeed, go ahead and get tutors and stuff. If you are a C-student average at non-honors classes and are comfortable with that, then go ahead. Parents should only do one thing: Advise.

[Lady_Rin]

I understand now. Forced extra curricular study and you have to pay for it on top of an already full day. Disgusting practice. Governents in an effort to mean well often pass laws that don't work or make any sense. This is one of them. Students these days in many countries are driven to succeed. Look at Japan were there is a high suicide rate among high school and college students. Other countries like America have let education languish. What I see on the forums proves it. An inability to spell or use proper grammar is the most noticeable. I quite often find that people in other countries often write better than their American counter parts. 100 years ago in America there was almost no illiteracy; today they rank near the bottom in the entire world. California where I live is at the bottom of that pile as well. Here no one cares about education . Where you are they may care so much they try to force it down your throat until you can't eat anymore. Education needs to be balanced, liberal arts, fine arts, sciences and physical education in an 8 hour day with minor homework not volumes of writings and scribblings. It is a shame that one of the best english speaking writers I know,a university student in Turkey, is being accused of having his English being too good. What do you expect of an engineer and pilot. English is their second language.

It would be interesting to find out how your school district does in your education; your parents as well. The Core classes, the 3Rs, reading writing and arithmatic (math), science and fine art. Do you play an instrument (not guitar or drums) or the last time you went to a museum, art gallery, concert, play or ballet. A county, renaissance or other period faeres and fetes. Maybe fouinders day where you are. etc. I don't think rock concerts, sporting events and such should be included however.

While the school district didn't see to this type of education for our children, we did. We took our children to see everything from museums, zoos and gardens to the Nutcracker Suite and even a Pink Floyd concert. I think that was in 1991 or '92.

The arts are as important top you being an well rounded individual as anything else is.

[Sara]

[QUOTE=Lady_Rin]
It would be interesting to find out how your school district does in your education; your parents as well. The Core classes, the 3Rs, reading writing and arithmatic (math), science and fine art. Do you play an instrument (not guitar or drums) or the last time you went to a museum, art gallery, concert, play or ballet. A county, renaissance or other period faeres and fetes. Maybe fouinders day where you are. etc. I don't think rock concerts, sporting events and such should be included however.[/QUOTE][color=#4b4b79]That's interesting.I have some really fond memories of field trips that we took in grade school (and girls scouts, heh.) We went to the a cool musuem in Milwaukee a few times in various years (Dinosaurs! Mummies! Everything a museum should be!) Plus there was Discovery World. I don't know if that's a common thing? It probably is...it's like this hands-on science museum for kids. All sorts of awesome stuff you learn about and try. It used to be next to the Milwaukee Public Library, but it's part of the museum now.

We even went down to Chicago on a few occasions. Visited the Shedd Aquarium, the Field Musuem. I've been to the Musuem of Science and Industry a [i]lot[/i], and it was always such fun.

Racine (where I live) has got the Golden Rondelle Theatre, which shows free little...program...things....that were an easy way for teachers to get their kids out of the classroom and into a new environment for an hour. There's also a little "Racine County Historical Musuem" that we visited once or twice.

It's not really something you need to go to be enlightened, or anything, but it's something that I always enjoyed as a kid. Getting [i]out[/i] of the classroom, doing something different and fun! Wow, it makes me feel all cultured and stuff. *laughs*

I should take my kid brother to Discovery World this summer. I bet he'd love that.

napoleon of the south,
Sara[/color]