Abortion--Views and Opinions

[Ezekiel]

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I hope no one gets put off by that heading, I'm not sure whether or not there's been a topic like this before, but I haven't seen one so here it goes.

Lately in RE we've been studying Christian views to Love, Sex, Marriage and, ultimately, Abortion. I aware that since I've known what and abortion is, that's about 4 years, and the situations in which women choose to have them, I have been a firm supporter of abortion for women of any age group.

I know this topic is a very touchy one and I'm fully aware that some people strongly believe in all life has a right to continue and that killing a foetus is effectively killing another human being. I was watching a program on abortion and people?s views on it and one man even said that a mother was effectively and accomplice to a murder. So he was really trying to guilt-trip any woman who's had an abortion despite the fact that he was not aware of the circumstances. I strongly disagree with that statement and thought he was totally out of order in saying it.

I'm not going to post my arguments for my belief just yet; I would just like to see other people's opinions on this matter.

Do you belief that abortion is right and should be kept as a legal practice? Or do you belief that it is effectively discrimination against the weak and murder.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Methuselah][COLOR=Green][SIZE=1]Do you belief that abortion is right and should be kept as a legal practice? Or do you belief that it is effectively discrimination against the weak and murder.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]I disagree with abortion except in cases of rape, incest and possible life-threatening complications for the mother.

With all of the birth control and sex education out there today, I feel that there's no excuse for having an abortion besides those I listed above.[/color]

[Sword Breaker]

Can't say rape is much of a factor, since they usually kill ya anyhow.

Anyways, I think abortion is perfectly acceptable, since everyone should have the chance to rectify a mistake, and people who saythat it is murder havbe one flaw. Murder involves one human killing another, but, by definition, fetuses are not yet human, therefore it does not apply. In the case that a baby had developed to the point of being human, I would restrict abortion, because they are human, therefore it is murder.

[DeathBug]

My views on abortion are simple: Within the first trimester, (prior to the fetus having brain activity), I think the mother should be able to do whatever she wishes. That's a three-month period, so there's pleanty of time to make the call.

Clrification: I think [i]the mother should be able to get an abortion if she wants within the first three-month period.[/i] Do I think she should make that choice? Nope.

A fetus is a human being, and having an abortion is killing one. I bel.ieve that some instances can arise where the killing of human beings is necessary (war, the death penalty), but it's never a good thing when you've come to that point. I'd uge any person considering abortion to explore other options first.

And, of course, partial-birth abortions should be outlawed, and those involved with them should be tried for murder. (Partial birth abortions involve inducing labour and then cutting open the b ack of the baby's skull to remove the brain, then slicing the child's limbs off. The baby, by the way, is at this point old enough to otherwie survive outside the mother's body.)

[Ezekiel]

[COLOR=Green][SIZE=1][QUOTE]Can't say rape is much of a factor, since they usually kill ya anyhow.[/QUOTE]

That is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. There are hundreds of cases every year where women are raped and not killed, men who rape are not necessarily murders they are just sick, I think you should edit that out of your post.

Anyway.

I agree with DeathBug in the fact that the time for an abortion to legally take place should be reduced. I believe it is somewhere around 24 weeks in Britain, which in my opinion is far too long. If a mother knows she does not want a baby, she should realise the fact within at least a month.

As I say, I support abortion because of women's choice, but there comes a time when it hits its limit. There is a singer, I believe, who has to date had 7 or 8 abortions. That is totally wrong in my opinion, because as Boba Fett mentioned, there is enough birth control available to avoid pregnancy in the first place.

I'm glad people here have better opinions than those who I've asked in school. Most just flat out disagree with abortion and believe it should be made illegal with no reasons given, I'm happy to see that members here support their arguments.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[desertranger]

Rin doesn't believe in it. I've never really made up my mind. to weighty a question for my poor brain.

However both of us believe it's a womans choice and should not be motivated by religion or poliotics.

[eleanor]

[i]My views on abortion are simple: Within the first trimester, (prior to the fetus having brain activity), I think the mother should be able to do whatever she wishes. That's a three-month period, so there's pleanty of time to make the call. [/i]

[color=darkslateblue] This is the statement that I am fully backing up, here. I always thought this way, but I never really knew how long it took for a fetus to start having brain activity. Three months? Like Death Bug said, plenty of time.

Although I have this vile annoyance towards teenagers who just have sex without protection and get pregnant... (I swear, how dumb can some people be?)[/color]

[Annie]

[color=darkslateblue]I touched on this subject in a different thread, and I was hoping it would not be brought up. This subject is very controversial and moving.

I do not believe in abortion at all when it involves the selfishness of a couple. One night of unprotected sex, pregnancy, the woman deciding she doesn't want to be a mother. This is where my anger arises with abortion. And I do not, under this circumstance, defend these disgusting woman. Dot. Period. Done. It's merely killing of an innocent because one doesn't want anything imposing on their lives. Selfish and sickening. Whether or not they fetus has no control, thought, feelings, or what have you; it is disgusting and murderous. How can anyone bear the idea of killing something so absolutely innocent and beautiful? Unprotected sex equaling the result of pregnancy. That is the fault of the couple. The male not having enough sense to just go out and buy a condem. Seriously, what sounds better? Spending a couple of dollars on a three pack to prevent any headache; or just saying "forget it, I don't have time for this. I can control myself" and end up getting your partner pregnant. Then the fault weighs on the female for not having the common sense to tell her partner to back off.

I have only one thing to say to the girls like that: "Keep your legs closed." True, there are various occasions when abortion may make sense. But I can only agree with one.

Rape causing pregnancy. I agree that it is horrible, and it's a tremindous burden on the mother. But it's not the child's fault for being conceived how it was. The child does not deserve to die. The a.sshole who raped the woman does. Yes, I can understand and see that everytime the mother looks at her child, she's reminded of the rapist. I can see why she wouldn't want to birth the child.

There are other ways to deal with this. I hate to say it because I don't like it, but adoption. There are other women who are barron, and will never be able to conceive. Adoption is better than abortion.

*This is the only time I may question my views on abortion. A mother's life is in danger. The only way she can live is to abort. Now, here's where I would probably take back my disagreement. However, this situation depends on the woman birthing the child. It's a very, very difficult decision to make. I don't know what I would do if I were put in this situation. This is an arguement that I can't battle, to be honest.

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[Xander Harris]

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I'm glad people here have better opinions than those who I've asked in school. Most just flat out disagree with abortion and believe it should be made illegal with no reasons given, I'm happy to see that members here support their arguments.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I don't understand how anyone can go along with abortion. You are taking human life. In the case of rape, I fail to understand how two wrongs make a right.

Murder is one of those things that all people, in all places, intrinsically know is wrong. And of course a women has a right to do with her body what she wishes. But it's not her body we're talking about, now, is it.

Abortion is a disgusting practice, and the rationalization of it that people attempt is disgusting as well.

[Ezekiel]

[COLOR=Green][SIZE=1]I appreciate your opinion, but consider this:

If abortion were to be made illegal, it wouldn't stop. Before abortion was legalised in this country, women were forced to go to doctors who were not qualified for abortion or they took various other measures, like throwing themselves down stairs to kill the baby.

Women would have to resort to that option if the opportunity for a safe abortion was not available. Think of the trauma that the baby would go through then if it were not killed when the mother attempted it. That also means that the woman would harm herself.

I don't think abortion should be illegal or stopped, I just think that the reasons for a woman wanting an abortion should be heavily looked into and considered.

I think your comment,
[QUOTE]the rationalization of it that people attempt is disgusting as well.[/QUOTE]
is a bit harsh, I don't consider my beliefs disgusting. I think they are just different to yours and that you shouldn't criticise others heavily when they differ.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[phxshadowwolf]

oh boy, i wondered when this topic would come up here...

i don't like abortion. it's straight up killing. i don't like killing at all, even when it comes to animals, or plants. i don't like killing. except if there is a justifiable reason.

i'm okay with certain animals and plants dying so that i may ingest their organic matter. it is a natural instinct, it's there to further myself, as well as my genes so that i may reproduce and pass them on to another generation.

when a mother's health is involved, if it is highly likely that she may suffer incredible pain (as in lasting, permanent, or reoccuring), or if she might die, i support abortion. keeping the baby would only go against the natural survival instinct.

when is comes to rape, again, i'm for it. yes, while it does not interfere with the survival instinct, it does interfere with out instinct to avoid pain, emotional or physical. a woman was invaded, and something planted in her, one that the rapist will never have to take responsibility for (sueing for child support gives the othe parent custody rights, in which case that's another lawsuit completely). i can't imagine the emotional pain (sometimes even physical) that a women might have to go through, reliving that rape when she sees that child. some women can do it, but i'm not about to impose on her right to choose.

in all tense and purpose, a fetus is a parasite. they cannot survive on their own, they take nutrients from the mother directly, and offer nothing in return. that is the definition of parasite.

like has been stated, in the event that abortions are made illegal, it won't stop their occurences. rent the movie 'if these walls could talk'. demi moore plays a nurse in the 50's, i believe, and she tries to get an abortion. since it was illegal at that point, she had to settle for a 'doctor' with knitting needles. she bled to death in her own kitchen. i won't have countless women dying just because some beaurocrat finally starts to consider his religious ideals.

and DeathBug, i never knew what a partial birth abortion was....*shudder* i only advocate first trimester births.

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=DeathBug]My views on abortion are simple: Within the first trimester, (prior to the fetus having brain activity), I think the mother should be able to do whatever she wishes. That's a three-month period, so there's pleanty of time to make the call.

Clrification: I think [i]the mother should be able to get an abortion if she wants within the first three-month period.[/i] Do I think she should make that choice? Nope.

A fetus is a human being, and having an abortion is killing one. I bel.ieve that some instances can arise where the killing of human beings is necessary (war, the death penalty), but it's never a good thing when you've come to that point. I'd uge any person considering abortion to explore other options first.

And, of course, partial-birth abortions should be outlawed, and those involved with them should be tried for murder. (Partial birth abortions involve inducing labour and then cutting open the b ack of the baby's skull to remove the brain, then slicing the child's limbs off. The baby, by the way, is at this point old enough to otherwie survive outside the mother's body.)[/QUOTE]

I definetly agree with you. 100%. I think that a fetus is just a collection of cells, until it develops brainwaves. Once it develops brain cells, I can't stand the idea of killing a baby that can feel, hear, and see later on in its development. Late-term abortions are just sick... DeathBug already basically outlined what they do for those.

[Dagger]

Mark me down as another person who agrees with pretty much everything DeathBug said. To be honest, though, abortion has never been a topic that aroused in me feelings of outrage or disgust. I get much more worked up over other subjects--call me a horrible person or whatever, but when I see someone pouring his heart and soul into protesting all forms of abortion, it just makes me sigh and wish he was out there fighting genocide or AIDS.

What really boggles my mind are the lunatics who bomb abortion clinics--the sheer irony involved in that is simply ridiculous.

Annie, what do you have against adoption? Isn't it easily the best and most obvious alternative to abortion? o_O

~Dagger~

[Baron Samedi]

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Can't say rape is much of a factor, since they usually kill ya anyhow.[/quote]
Thats crap, lol. Wrong. They hardly ever kill women that they rape.

I support abortion, but only in the cases of rape, or circumstances which may cause damage to either mother or baby. And I do think that women who live in a trailer and have seven children [b]should be de-sexed[/b].[/size]

[Pumpkin]

[QUOTE=Methuselah][COLOR=Green][SIZE=1]

That is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. There are hundreds of cases every year where women are raped and not killed, men who rape are not necessarily murders they are just sick, I think you should edit that out of your post.

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I was about to say, if someone didn't comment on that, I would. Thats probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard too, obviously you don't get out much. Whats sickening is Rape is more common then you think. I've (sadly) known many girls from the ages 13-16 have been raped and have to live through it. (most too scared to admit it to people) I'm going to have to say I agree with an abortion. I also knew a girl in highschool that had an abortion and two who had their children, if your not ready to have a child, and you can't handle the responsibility why bring a child into this life if its going to live on in missery? If your that young, its very hard for most to accept responsibility. Most likely this child would be given up for adoption and then what? what if he/she doesnt find a nice and comfy home? Would if everyone who got pregnant had their child and gave it up for adoption? there'd be triple the amount of kids in orphanages who have no parents and no one to care about them. So it kills me when people say "Save a life" but when you look at it isnt putting a child into an instute like that really helping them any more? do you go and visit those children? No you don't. They get to suffer, yes they live, but they suffer don't they? So all this so that they can be not cared about. Technically an abortion isn't killing unless its past two months, then it is murder. Before that its just a fetus.

Anyways that is just my opinion.
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[eleanor]

[i]I get much more worked up over other subjects--call me a horrible person or whatever, but when I see someone pouring his heart and soul into protesting all forms of abortion, it just makes me sigh and wish he was out there fighting genocide or AIDS.[/i]

[color=darkslateblue]Someone who feels the same way I do, joy! I totally agree with what Dagger said here, and I give her a hug for it. :) AIDS is just an example of one factor that is killing millions of people out there, and it's sad to think that some people could be fighting against something like this but decide to fight against abortion or gay rights, or something.

Of course I'm not saying abortion isn't important, but it certainly is. It just doesn't affect me much at all when a woman gets an abortion. I don't feel any hate or dislike towards her whatsoever. Well. Unless she aborts the baby when it's like 8 months old.[/color]

[Annie]

[QUOTE=Dagger IX1]
Annie, what do you have against adoption? Isn't it easily the best and most obvious alternative to abortion? o_O
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[color=darkslateblue][size=1]I just simply don't understand how someone can just give their baby to someone. I'm not all against it, but I'd rather not see it happen. If you don't want a child, then take the responsible measures not to.

Now obviously, in rape cases, you can't help if you get pregnant. And I can see the logic if the woman decides not to have the child. This is where I favor adoption over abortion.[/color][/size]

[Juke Box Hero]

I hate what abortion does, and on a philosophical level am 100000% against it.

However, I value every life equally- mother and child being no exception. Abortion for convenience I believe is always wrong, but abortion because of medically charged, or rape sitautions is understandable.

Put in plain terms, a chick that bangs five guys a day, and gets pregnant, and aborts the kid for no reason I would say that she's 100% wrong. But a woman who is raped, or who will die for giving birth, then its understandable.

I pretty much agree with DeathBug in principle.

[eleanor]

[i]I just simply don't understand how someone can just give their baby to someone. I'm not all against it, but I'd rather not see it happen. If you don't want a child, then take the responsible measures not to. [/i]

[color=darkslateblue]Well, in some situations the mother may not be able to support the child or raise it successfully, so I guess they would, out of love, make sure it was adopted into a family that could give it a good life. And for the people who didn't want a child but had it...I don't believe they would be able to love it unconditionally. I have a friend who was just given away because her mother didn't want her, and she was adopted. I personally would rather live with someone who would love me unconditionally than someone who grudgingly accepted me.

*shrug*[/color]

[AzureWolf]

[FONT=book antiqua][SIZE=2][COLOR=blue]Did you know, that in this world, there are quite a few people who are 30+ years out of the womb and still have no brain activity? Can we still abort them?

In all seriousness, I'm up in the air about this whole thing. If we didn't have the advancement to abort "humanely," would abortion still be considered a valid option? What is the harm from having a b#st#rd child as opposed to killing one?

And I can't say I'm with Deathbug on the whole 1st trimester "it's not human yet" idea. Creating a standard for what encompasses human just as simply as brain activity seems kind of weird to me. Cell development that leads to brain activity seems to be a rather intelligent system unto itself, IMO.

I hear there are actually female rapists, and I would just like to cordially invite them over to my place. Can a guy be raped? O_o[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[EvanescenceChiK]

well, i really dont like the idea of abortion, but people should have the right to choose.the reason i say this is cause one of my cousins got pregnant at 17 and her parents refused to let her get an abortion.she ended up going to a fake doctor, getting a huge infection and died.i do however totaly disagree with late-term abortion.thats just sick.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

I don't see what place a bunch of older white guys have passing legislation regarding a woman's reproductive rights. So as far as laws concerning abortion, I oppose them to a very large degree.

Personally, it's case-by-case. I don't believe in any "sanctity" of human life, and I also think there is clearly a difference between a legal abortion and homicide.

[eleanor]

[i]I hear there are actually female rapists, and I would just like to cordially invite them over to my place. Can a guy be raped? O_o[/i]

[color=darkslateblue] Someone in my health class asked that, and my health teacher told us females 'raped' males by producing feelings in them to make them have sexual intercourse. Personally I think that's bull.

Most likely they force the male to have sexual intercourse by (don't read if you're not comfortable with this stuff) [spoiler] forcing the penis into the vagina by maybe drugging the male or if they're strong enough to hold them down. [/spoiler][/color]

[i]Did you know, that in this world, there are quite a few people who are 30+ years out of the womb and still have no brain activity? Can we still abort them?[/i]

[color=darkslateblue] I guess brings up the whole 'Are zygotes people too?' thing. Although your first question is a good point. Hm. It can be viewed as 'unreasonable' that you compare and full grown person and a bunch of cells, but I get your point. I still think a mother should be able to abort a fetus before brain activity, but I have no way of actually supporting it with words. It's just a feeling I get when confronted with the question. And of course I won't go against my root feeling.

It might sound horrible, but it's hard for me to have sympathy for a fetus with no brian activity when I do have sympathy for a 30 year old with no brain activity, although not much. [/color]

[AzureWolf]

[QUOTE=maladjusted][color=darkslateblue]I still think a mother should be able to abort a fetus before brain activity, but I have no way of actually supporting it with words. It's just a feeling I get when confronted with the question. And of course I won't go against my root feeling.

It might sound horrible, but it's hard for me to have sympathy for a fetus with no brian activity when I do have sympathy for a 30 year old with no brain activity, although not much. [/color][/QUOTE][FONT=book antiqua][SIZE=2][COLOR=blue]Heh, I guessed you missed my whole, repeated shouting in the homosexuality thread. BY ALL MEANS, I applaud using your gut instinct. Seriously, don't follow others and slowly force yourself to accept something you truly disagree with.

Secondly, I was kind of making fun of stupid people in my opening statement, heh. ^^; But I guess it does kind of support my point, now that you addressed it.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Brasil]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']I don't see what place a bunch of older white guys have passing legislation regarding a woman's reproductive rights. So as far as laws concerning abortion, I oppose them to a very large degree.[/quote]
Hear, hear. I was watching Comedy Central the other day, probably it was the Best of 04 show. One comedian had a very astute observation about the whole abortion issue:

[quote]It's easy to be pro-life when you're some rickety old guy who hasn't gotten an erection in like, 15 years, but when it's two weeks after Prom, and you're waiting for that little blue line to appear, I think you'd have a bit more mixed thoughts on the issue.[/quote]