Abortion--Views and Opinions

[kaisha]

This is a very sensitive subject and i must say i am completly against abortion in any circumstance.

[nezzyjean]

[B]i personally wouldnt ever get one[/B], but i beleive it should remain legal. it is a human right, and even if it made illegal people who need or want one will find ways to get it done. for example, marijuana is illegal and people still smoke it, so if getting an abortion was made illegal, and some one needed it done, they would find someway to get it done. besides, they already have it illegal to get it done if you've been pregnant for a certain amount of time, so the fetus can't be too far along on its way of being completely human. there are many other options, however, but i beleive it is a personal issue and if somebody wants an abortion i beleive they should have the right to get one.

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='nezzyjean'] but i beleive it should remain legal. it is a human right, and even if it made illegal people who need or want one will find ways to get it done.[/quote]

[color=green]Abortion is not a right.

Just because people will do it anyway, doesn?t mean it that we should legalize something. Thousands of murders, rapes and thefts occur each year in the US ? despite laws against such acts. Under your logic, we should abolish laws against them too.[/color]

[quote name='nezzyjean']besides, they already have it illegal to get it done if you've been pregnant for a certain amount of time, so the fetus can't be too far along on its way of being completely human.[/quote]

[color=green]Completely human?

You could say that many severely disabled people, who are incapable of living without medical support, are ?less than human? too if I?m reading what you said correctly.[/color]

[quote name='nezzyjean']there are many other options, however, but i beleive it is a personal issue and if somebody wants an abortion i beleive they should have the right to get one.[/quote]

[color=green]Nobody has the right to murder an innocent fetus.[/color]

[Kitty]

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]I am Pro-Choice. Why? I am a girl, afterall. This topic relates to me as much as it does anyone. I want the choice if I ever face the decision.

Now, I believe Siren is right. Banning abortion would be a "band-aid". The problem would not be solved, and it would cause more controversy and riots than you'd think.

But the choice should be entirely up to the woman harboring the embreyo/fetus. Not the father, not the family, and definatly not Pro-Life preachers (I do not refer to anyone [i]specifically[/i] in this statement). The pregnancy was the womans fault, yes. Should she have been more careful? Maybe. But realize: condoms and birth control pills do [i]not[/i], by any means, prevent all chances of pregnancy. They work 98% percent of the time, as it says on the package, if I'm not mistaken.

And what about rape? Why should a woman be forced to harbor a child she was given unwillingly? Or do you think that it's the woman's fault for getting raped? For those of you who are against abortion, [i]no matter what the circumstance[/i], you have a very closed mind.

Also, why shouldn't a woman be given the choice in any circumstance? If the woman did not [i]want[/i] the child in the first place, isn't she pregnant [i]unwillingly[/i]?

Personally, I think the whole issue is silly. Those of you who want the child to be born, even though they probably won't ever meet you, help you, or know about you and will just end up using up your resources, you seem to care about [i]them[/i] more than, say, the people over in Asia facing disease, grief from the loss of loved ones, and no place to live. And you care about [i]them[/i] more than the homeless here in the States; facing the same things.

If you're pro-life, why not make life better for EVERYONE instead of un-born people? You probably wouldn't care if a group of homeless were shot, and thrown into some ally. But isn't that murder, too?[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1] Now, I believe Siren is right. Banning abortion would be a "band-aid". The problem would not be solved, and it would cause more controversy and riots than you'd think.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]Is abortion a symptom of a problem? Yes. Should the source of this problem be addressed? Yes.

This has absolutely no affect on the purpose of abortion: killing a fetus, which is a human being at an early stage in life. Doing so, regardless of it?s status as a symptom of a problem or a problem itself, is wrong.[/color]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]But the choice should be entirely up to the woman harboring the embreyo/fetus. Not the father, not the family, and definatly not Pro-Life preachers (I do not refer to anyone [i]specifically[/i] in this statement).[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]I have a problem with this statement. You state that men, as fathers of babies, should have no choice in the matter. However, they must pay child support if the child is born.

It?s a difficult situation, and there?s no easy answer, but I believe this situation is unfair.[/color]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1] The pregnancy was the womans fault, yes. Should she have been more careful? Maybe. But realize: condoms and birth control pills do [i]not[/i], by any means, prevent all chances of pregnancy. They work 98% percent of the time, as it says on the package, if I'm not mistaken.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]When someone gets pregnant accidentally, it isn?t one person?s fault. Both the man and the woman are equally at fault.

If you use spermicidal condoms and birth control pills, the chance of pregnancy is incredibly low. However, even if you do use birth control, you should be willing to accept and raise any child that will result from that act. Every action has a consequence, and if you knowingly accept the action and it?s risks, you should be willing to face the consequences.

If you really don?t want a child, and aren?t ready to raise one, abstain from sex. It?s very simple.[/color]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]And what about rape? Why should a woman be forced to harbor a child she was given unwillingly? Or do you think that it's the woman's fault for getting raped? For those of you who are against abortion, [i]no matter what the circumstance[/i], you have a very closed mind.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]I, personally, think that abortion should be legal in only three circumstances. Along with incest and possible harm to the mother, rape is one of these situations.[/color]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]Also, why shouldn't a woman be given the choice in any circumstance? If the woman did not [i]want[/i] the child in the first place, isn't she pregnant [i]unwillingly[/i]?[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]Tough. She made a choice to have sex. She now carries within her a life. A human being. If she doesn?t wish to care for that child, put it up for adoption. She made her choice when she had sex.[/color]

[quote name='Kitty][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1] Personally, I think the whole issue is silly. Those of you who want the child to be born, even though they probably won't ever meet you, help you, or know about you and will just end up using up your resources, you seem to care about [i]them[/i] more than, say, the people over in Asia facing disease, grief from the loss of loved ones, and no place to live.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[color=green]Abortion is murder; I don?t support murder.

As far as I?m concerned, this whole business of comparing abortion to the needy is off topic.[/color]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]My own opinions on the subject of abortion are pretty well known for anyone who's read any of the previous abortion threads. I believe that abortion is without question the murder of an innocent child, not simply the removal of an unwanted mass of tissue as some would argue. It really does astound me that someone can argue for the murder of children because that's what abortion is, we were all foetuses at one stage and we're all here now debating the rights and wrong of abortion, [B]those children who have been aborted don't have that luxury[/B].

I'd also like to state that I completely agree with Dave's comments in regard to Kitty's post, abstaining from sex is the simplest and easiest way to avoid pregnancy. However is saying that those who do commit to sexual intercourse should realise the possible outcome of the action, having sex may lead to a child and those involved should be decent enough to raise and take care of it. Also I have to agree with Dave when he says that comparing abortion to helping the needy is "[I]off topic[/I]" is rather an understatement. Just because "[I]I won't ever meet them[/I]" simply isn't a reason not to help someone, being a decent human being means that we care about others less fortunate than us.

Saying that allowing a child to enter the world is worse than helping those who have experiences suffering on the scale of those in East Asia and the homeless is honestly very disheartening. And I would actually care if a group of homeless people got shot because it's murder same as abortion is, but also because the loss of life is a tragic event regardless of the person's living conditions.[/SIZE]

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[QUOTE=Boba Fett][color=green]What? Personal definition of murder?
Murder is killing a human being. A fetus is a human being. You yourself, like everyone else reading this thread, are a former fetus. Therefore, killing a fetus is murder.[/color][/QUOTE]
Ok, so then soldiers defending their country are guilty of murder just as those felons currently on death row? How about the courts who would put war criminals to death under international law? Boba Fett, "murder" is a *certain way* of killing a human being as far as the legal system is concerned. Until you start reforming our legal system, your view of murder will remain solely your own.

Your stressing that I am a former fetus is like me stressing that you are formerly two separate single cells. Thanks for the heads up. Is that supposed to strike some sympathetic nerve perhaps?

Like I said before, it's a situation of conflicting moral codes. I would not be so quick to judge people, but Boba Fett do what you feel you must.

**I also want to point out, to those people who are concerned about the "great potential" that an unborn baby might have as a human being, that we could play "what if" all day and night. That baby might grow up to be a rapist/murderer or our next president. But let's not pretend we have any idea, or that it should make any difference in this discussion.

[Sol-Blade]

Ahem, well I haven't exact had the time to read through this entire thread...but I'm going to post anyways!

So with that said, I don't believe in abortion. Now, what do I mean by "believe" you may ask? I don't feel that abortion is in anyways shape or form (From the actual act, to the concept on paper, to this discussion) is morally right at all. Sure, it's just a hump of flesh and maybe even some bone too. But still, a fetus is a living creature. Now, attempting to stay away from this whole fetus debate...I feel that even if the pregnacy is unwanted, that newly created [I]deserves[/I] a chance at life. Who are we to take it away? Nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to take the gift of life away from anything. No politician, no diety, no "licensed" doctor, nothing.

But, I mean it happens all the time...does it not? We kill cattle and fish for meat. Hunters go out and hunt wild game for sport. Almost everyone has smashed an insect at least once, just because it may have scared the hell out of you. People destroy plants and trees do they not? Of course it does, and frankly it's become almost all too common. I mean, taking away life...even from something insignificant to yours...may happen more often than you think. Sure, an ant or fly may die in a week or two, and zebra may fall prey to their predators the lions, but then again...I've always thought of the human race as being just a tad bit more advanced than your usual mammal. We have this amazing ability of reasoning, at least I do. Can we not use our brain to see, that what we are doing is just not right?

Now you may ask, what/who said that abortion was ever wrong? Was it ever written down? Probably not, but I mean come on. Use common sense, can you really feel any better knowing that a fellow human being, maybe even [i]your[/i] fellow human being was DENIED life because you couldn't deal with it. [I]That, to me, is the ultimate form of being selfish.[/I]

Does that mean we should shun whoever has an abortion? 'course not. It's their choice and their's only. Granted, that choice does NOT belong to them in the first place, in today's world, you'd be surprised.

[quote name='"Boba Fett"']However, even if you do use birth control, you should be willing to accept and raise any child that will result from that act. Every action has a consequence, and if you knowingly accept the action and it?s risks, you should be willing to face the consequences.[/quote]

See, now everyone should have at least figured that out when they hit like, oh sixteen? Seriously, if the act of intercourse is (for the extreme lack of a better word, lol) 'made' for the conciving of a child, then should it not just be for, oh say conciving a child? Argh, words are hard to come by at the moment, so basically what I meant was don't have sex if you aren't looking to have a child. It's not that hard of a concept to come up with, even by yourself. I guarantee that it isn't exactly the most orginal idea out there. ^_~

[Roxas]

I beileve that if the woman was raped, or someting similar that she shouldn't abort but give the child to the person who gave her the baby (expesicaly in the case of rape.) and if the person doesnt want the child put the child in a foster home or something. Everyone has a right to live. And also what if you were one of those kids who your mom was thinking about going with abortion, how would you fill? For me... I would break down and most likly get suicidel. Woldn't you?

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[quote name='Phayt']And also what if you were one of those kids who your mom was thinking about going with abortion, how would you fill? For me... I would break down and most likly get suicidel. Woldn't you?[/quote]
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Oh man, that's pure gold. Do you realize what you're saying?

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=darkviolet]I'm guessing that the scott peterson thread was merged with this one or vice versa.

Well, anyway I'm going to give a very quick explaination of the difference between an embryo and a fetus. I hope this will give some clarification on the subject of pro-life vs. pro-choice.

An embryo is completely dependant on the mother for life, it can not breath on its own if it was removed. It can not eat. An ultrasound can not be given to determine the sex of an embryo as the sex organs have not formed yet. Therefore I don't think that an embryo should suddenly be given the same rights as its mother. Or have its rights placed over the mother's.

However a fetus (in my opinion a pregnancy over five months) can live on its own
outside the mother. It can learn to eat on its own and breath on its own. An ultra sound can be done to determine the sex of the baby. If a misscarriage happens around this time an opperation has to be done to remove the fetus instead of a misscarriage during the first trimester.

That said, I don't see why everyone is so angry at a woman when she gets an abortion since the majority of abortions performed in the us are during the first trimester-they aren't allowed during the second or third. Yes, she knew what she was getting into when she had sex, but maybe the condom broke, or her birth control didn't work. And why should the woman be the only one held responsible for her actions in this? It takes two people to make a baby since humans aren't hermaphrodites.

One of my friends had an abortion almost three years ago. It was a hard descision for her to make, but she did it. She's not too proud about it, but it was better than getting kicked out of her house like what happened to two of our other friends. (Yes, I'm probably one of the smartest of my friends because my pre marital sex didn't result in a pregnancy)

If we really want to stop unplanned pregnancies in the first place, maybe school districts should work harder to get better sex ed classes in their schools. I heard of this one district in Texas (hmmm) that actually took sex ed out of their curriculum even though they have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country. So yeah, lets start there.

Ok, my 2 cents are in, fire away.[/color]

[Roxas]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Oh man, that's pure gold. Do you realize what you're saying?[/quote]
For me... Yes. What Im actualy saying... maybe not.

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Ok, so then soldiers defending their country are guilty of murder just as those felons currently on death row? How about the courts who would put war criminals to death under international law? Boba Fett, "murder" is a *certain way* of killing a human being as far as the legal system is concerned. Until you start reforming our legal system, your view of murder will remain solely your own.[/quote]

[color=green]Hence my entire point, make abortion illegal. By changing Roe vs. Wade, I would be reforming the legal system.[/color]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Your stressing that I am a former fetus is like me stressing that you are formerly two separate single cells. Thanks for the heads up. Is that supposed to strike some sympathetic nerve perhaps?[/quote]

[color=green]You?re very welcome.

I see a fetus as a stage of life, just like childhood, adulthood and old age. Why? A fetus, if left unharmed, will grow into a child. Just as a child becomes an adult, etc.

With all of the options out there, abortion isn?t necessary. If you have sex and get pregnant, you?ve already made your choice. Now you have a responsibility ? the child.[/color]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Like I said before, it's a situation of conflicting moral codes. I would not be so quick to judge people, but Boba Fett do what you feel you must.[/quote]

[color=green]Maybe I?m mistaken, but I don?t think I?m judging anyone. I?m saying that people should take responsibility for their actions.[/color]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

I really don't like abortions. The concept of going inside of a mother and shoving a metal spike through the head of a well-developed baby sickens me. Most people have never even seen an abortion.

Only about 1% of all abortions are because of rape, incest, and/or the endangerment of the mothers life. If that was all that ever had abortions, there really woudn't be nearly as much of a problem with it.

Too bad white supremesists decided to implant that phantom "right to chose" law into peoples heads. Now, the deaths in the Holocaust are childs play compared to the number of abortions around the world.

I only allow abortions on two cases: Incest, and the endangerment of the mothers life (which better be unquestionable). The issue with molestation is that the child that is in the mother didn't do anything wrong. It was by chance it was givin life, so why kill it? What most people don't acknowledge is the thought that the child could be a girl, and not a boy. That the child would take after the mother, and not that excuse for a father. Even if you don't want the child, you could easily give it up for adoption. Get some extra money, give a family a child that they want, it seems like a much better choice than paying some person you don't even know to reach inside of you and tear open it's head, letting it's guts spill onto the table before you (as a note, many mothers experience mental problems after getting an abortion).

The main thing that keeps the idea of abortions going are the psychological and size-comparisons, which is pretty much the same things the Nazi's used as an excuse to kill off Jews. People say that it can't think for itself, live for itself, and has no concept of self-existance. When really, I know 30-year olds who are like that. People also say that it is only a sac of cells, and nothing more, forgeting that that small sac of cells currently makes up 100% of a person. (The smallest man in the world was only a foot high).

The baby has fully formed it's shape at 8 weeks of pregnancy. It has it's eyes, nose, mouth, ears, fingers, toes, everything at 8 weeks. The baby has a different DNA, has it's own brain structure, traits, and in half the cases it's not even the same gender as it's carrier. All it does the remainder of the pregnancy is grow larger and more solid structure.

What I also hate is when people put non-solid time-frames to determin when it is a human. I mean, if it's a human after the first Trimester, why not 5 minutes before? Chances are the mother had changed her physical construction more than the baby had in that amount of time at that time. There is only 1frame of time you can accuratly set up: when the sperm penetrates the egg. So if you engage in innercourse, you have 56 hours to do something about that possibility that you got pregnant. If you do anything else, you are setting a time frame in which you could call something that had changed little in the past days "Human", which is the equivilant to putting a value on the human life.

The vast majority of people admit that the embryo/fetus is alive, and that to have an abortion, it must be killed. Without this killing, it would've grown into what they call in anyones definition a human. So regardless of what a person thinks, you are prevent a human life, through death. It's like adding a middle-man to a murdere case to claim no blame.

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']Too bad white supremesists decided to implant that phantom "right to chose" law into peoples heads.[/quote]

[color=green]Right.[/color]

[quote name='Crimson Spider']The issue with molestation is that the child that is in the mother didn't do anything wrong. It was by chance it was givin life, so why kill it? What most people don't acknowledge is the thought that the child could be a girl, and not a boy. That the child would take after the mother, and not that excuse for a father. Even if you don't want the child, you could easily give it up for adoption. Get some extra money, give a family a child that they want, it seems like a much better choice than paying some person you don't even know to reach inside of you and tear open it's head, letting it's guts spill onto the table before you (as a note, many mothers experience mental problems after getting an abortion).[/quote]

[color=green]I assume you mean rape.

I think that in this circumstance, you cannot underestimate the psychological trauma that a mother would go through carrying the child of her rapist. That harm alone is justification to me.[/color]

[Mykul]

there are pills to take after intercourse that, if taken within a certain period of time after the incident, will render a woman infertile. called a "rape pill" by some cops becuase rapists actually usually give their victims these things, or the police will give a victim this same pill once they are discovered. im a devout catholic, abortion is murder.

[Excel]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman]I completly go agains abortion. Not beacuse of my religion, Beacuse i cant understand why kill something SOMEONE that only fault he had in life was being born from a mother that tought of abortion.

There is stuff out there to prevent pregnancy if the woman gets pregnant its hers and hers mates fault not her child and he shouldnt be punish by being killed. If she dosent want the child there put it up for adoption we all deserve a chance in life why take the poor thing chance?

Abortion is murder no matter what way you look at it, no one has right to take the life away of anything, the mother may have the right to keep it but not to kill it.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[EvanescenceChiK]

Ok, I hate abortion for a number of reasons but I still think the option should be open for people who are mentaly incapable of having a child, a woman who would die giving birth, and rape.The major reason i hate abortion is cause i have a 2yr.old daughter of my own.

Quote:there are pills to take after intercourse that, if taken within a certain period of time after the incident, will render a woman infertile. called a "rape pill" by some cops becuase rapists actually usually give their victims these things, or the police will give a victim this same pill once they are discovered. im a devout catholic, abortion is murder.

Are u serious?never heard that before........

[Mykul]

um yes, im definetely serious...

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Excel][COLOR=Indigo] [FONT=Times New Roman]There is stuff out there to prevent pregnancy if the woman gets pregnant its hers and hers mates fault not her child and he shouldnt be punish by being killed.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]


[color=darkviolet]Condoms break, birth control isn't 100% effective. Accidents happen. It's really nobody's fault if both parties took precautions to try and avoid such an occurance. If not well, hindsight is 20/20 and even though I believe that you should take responsibility for your actions it's not my place to tell someone that they can't do soemthing with their body.[/color]

[quote name='MehrLicht']there are pills to take after intercourse that, if taken within a certain period of time after the incident, will render a woman infertile. called a "rape pill" by some cops becuase rapists actually usually give their victims these things, or the police will give a victim this same pill once they are discovered.[/quote]


[color=darkviolet]I believe that you're talking about the Morning after pill. I forgot the other name for it, but you seriously have the results of this pill [i]way way way [/i] off. Along with the facts.

First (unless you're not in the US) I've never heard of [i]anyone[/i] besides a doctor giving out the morning after pill. This includes police and rapists. Why would a rapist want to give someone a pill to try and prevent an egg from embeding itsself in the uterus in the first place?

Second, although the FDA has allowed the sale of the morning after pill many pharmisists and doctors don't have it...you can go to planned parenthood if you feel the need to. But it's very hard to obtain. Just ask any woman who has tried to get it.

Third, this pill is not used by rapists or police, it can probably be obtained by rape victims and it can only be used in the first 48 hours (I believe) after that the woman has to wait until she's missed her period take a pregnancy test and make another desicion. The main reason a woman would use this pill is if she and her patrner had sex and the condom broke.

Fourth, the morning after pill will [i][b]not[/b][/i] make a woman infertile. Who ever told you that was on some kind of pill themself...a whole assortment of them. Please try to get your facts from a reliable source and get them straight before you put them up and swear by them. Better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove them right.

Ok, now that that's over I'd like to address the person a few posts back who said she was against adoption...why? It's a lot better than abortion. The child not only gets to live but gets a chance at a better life than what its mother could have offered. How do I know that? Well, I'm adopted. I think it's extremely selfish to try and raise a child in an environment where the child won't be able to experiance everything there is to offer. Or to end up with a parent who isn't emotionally ready to raise a child.

There are many couples who are unable to have children who would like to adopt and are on extremely long waiting lists. Yes, I know it's a very hard desicion, you grew this child in you for 9 months and gave up a lot of things that you loved (like sleep, chocolate, alcohol and being able to not pee every three seconds) But if you're not ready to have a child and you don't believe in having an abortion than adoption is the best way to go. There are even open adoptions where you can make arrangements with the child's adoptive parents to see the child. [/color]

[Mykul]

well maybe i dont know as much about the pill as id like to, but i am sure it can be given by police. thats what happend with my second cousin. the police medics gave her an infertility pill once they were called to the disturbance.

[EvanescenceChiK]

Quote:There are many couples who are unable to have children who would like to adopt and are on extremely long waiting lists. Yes, I know it's a very hard desicion, you grew this child in you for 9 months and gave up a lot of things that you loved (like sleep, chocolate, alcohol and being able to not pee every three seconds) But if you're not ready to have a child and you don't believe in having an abortion than adoption is the best way to go. There are even open adoptions where you can make arrangements with the child's adoptive parents to see the child.

Yes, I completley agree with adoption.If you don't believe in abortion and aren't able to raise a child, adoption it probably the best way to go.I remember when I was a kid, my neighbor(who was also like my best friend)was adopted.We were friends from the time we were 2, and we still talk to eachother on the phone every once in a while.Oh, yes I also agree on the giving up chocolate, alcohol(acctually, I didn't drink even before, but I had to give up coffee, wich in my case is MUCH worse), sleep, and the peeing thing.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='MehrLicht']well maybe i dont know as much about the pill as id like to, but i am sure it can be given by police. thats what happend with my second cousin. the police medics gave her an infertility pill once they were called to the disturbance.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]1.) where do you live (ie country/state?) and 2.) there is no such thing as an infertility pill.

Police and paramedics (atleast where i live) [i]don't[/i] have access to the Morning after pill and even if they did, why would they administer it (or an infertility pill for that matter) to a victim of rape or domestic violence.

You can not get a pill (as far as I know) that makes you infertile. You can get your tubes tied or a vasectomy, or something like that to make you infertile, but there is no pill...unless you count imense ammounts of weed, that will make you infertile or sterile.

Oh, while we're on the topic of pills, how much do people know about what birth control pills do?

[b]edit[/b] Ok, no poll. But for those of you who think that any type of birth control actually kills an embryo with extra hormones, you're wrong. Birth control whether it's oral contraceptives or a shot or what ever just prohibit the egg from being fertilized and emplanting in the uterus.

However, some people aren't aware that that's what the pill or other contraceptives do and are against birth control...like my grandma. OF course, she's pro life too. Hmm, pro life and against birth control and sex ed...yeah, that works. Does anyone besides me find it funny that the same people who are against abortion are usually also opposed to birth conrtol which would help to curb teh need for abortions? [/color]

[Mykul]

thats just what they called the pill. i didnt say it made her sterile. they said something about antibiotically killing sperm in the uterus. now i really dont feel like talking about this anymore so im not answering anymore posts.

and its not strange at all for ppl to be against both abortion and birth control. i mean you just have to be catholic to understand. what these ppl are all about is life. they dont support abortion because its stopping a child from coming into this earth. they look at birth control the same way. i know its kinda abstract but i know where theyre coming from.

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet'] Does anyone besides me find it funny that the same people who are against abortion are usually also opposed to birth conrtol which would help to curb teh need for abortions? [/color][/quote]

[color=green]Those same people are for abstinence, which works 100% of the time.

That too would 'curb teh need for abortions'[/color]