Your opinions on: Marijuana

[Syk3]

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]Wow, you're an idiot! You didn't even [i]bother[/i] to read what I posted before you replied did you?

You seem to be [b][i]COMPLETELY[i][/b] missing the point of what I was telling Zeta. Women's menstral cycles [i]aren't[/i] always regular. Pregnancy tests aren't always accurate. And most people check their condoms before and after they use them.

Just turn around get off the computer and go smoke some more because you're obviously not comprehending anything I said.[/color][/QUOTE]Wooaahh there, Bessy. Calm down now. No where in your post did you even mention pregnancy tests, so I'm not really sure which post you think you wrote, and which one you are trying to accuse me of not reading. lol

With that said, I understand that menstral cycles aren't [i]always[/i] regular. And I know I don't know much about being pregnant or having your period, obviously, because I'm a guy. :p But I do know that under responsible use, if you have sex.. alright, stay with me here, because it gets complicated.. if you have sex and there's any possibility, check if you're pregnant. Phew, alright. Still with me? Now if your period fluctuates around the time that you had sex, that's a good indication that you might possibly be pregnant. Even if it turns out that you aren't, it's better safe than sorry.

But if you can't trust the pregnancy tests, who or what can you trust? After that, I suppose it comes down to not getting pregnant in the first place. Clearly if she was smoking as much as you said she was, she probably wasn't planning on getting pregnant. So she shouldn't have even been in the situation where pregnancy was possible, simple as that.

Before you even go off and talk about how innaccurate they are, did she use a pregnancy test during the time her period was "fluctuating" to begin with?

[DBZgirl88]

[COLOR=#004a6f][quote name='Syk3][i]What?![/i'] Do you even know what you're saying anymore? lol Just quitting nicotine really isn't that easy; your body comes to depend on it, which is why people have so much trouble getting off cigarettes and have to resort to patches. o_O You can try to quit, sure, but you'll go through physical withdrawal of the substance, and to tell people to just suck it up shows how uninformed you really are.[/quote]True, people do find it difficult to stop smoking. That's why I said that banning tabacco and marijuana altogether was somewhat unrealistic.

However, maybe the bannnig of tabbaco products can be gradual, like slowly removing it from stores untill stores don't sell it anymore. Eventually selling cigarettes can be made illegal. For those who are hooked on tabbaco, offer programs that will help them quit during this time. Future generations won't be exposed to tabbaco products normally, because only drug abusers will be using it.

There is no good reason to allow any of these harmful products to be legalized. Like I said before, they can hurt everyone, and the environment. It's not fair to people who don't smoke. You're forcing us to breathe in toxic and dangerous substances second-hand.[/COLOR]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE=Syk3] Wooaahh there, Bessy. Calm down now. No where in your post did you even mention pregnancy tests, so I'm not really sure which post you think you wrote, and which one you are trying to accuse me of not reading. lol

With that said, I understand that menstral cycles aren't [i]always[/i] regular. And I know I don't know much about being pregnant or having your period, obviously, because I'm a guy. :p But I do know that under responsible use, if you have sex.. alright, stay with me here, because it gets complicated.. if you have sex and there's any possibility, check if you're pregnant. Phew, alright. Still with me? Now if your period fluctuates around the time that you had sex, that's a good indication that you might possibly be pregnant. Even if it turns out that you aren't, it's better safe than sorry.

But if you can't trust the pregnancy tests, who or what can you trust? After that, I suppose it comes down to not getting pregnant in the first place. Clearly if she was smoking as much as you said she was, she probably wasn't planning on getting pregnant. So she shouldn't have even been in the situation where pregnancy was possible, simple as that. [/QUOTE]



[quote name='Me][color=darkviolet']Ok, I don't know much about MJ, but you don't know much about being pregnant. One of my friend's mother's didn't know she was pregnant during the whole thing. It is possible to not show during pregnancy, and you can spot during your pregnancy. Tests aren't always reliable. And sometimes a woman's period isn't very regular. So yes, you can be pregnant and not know. [/quote][/color]

[color=darkviolet] No need to get nasty, but I thought that with your 3.6 GPA that you were bragging to Siren about that you would have read both posts. I guess I was wrong about that.

Pregnancy tests aren't 100% reliable and that's why you go to an OBGYN to get a second test. They give you some blood tests to make sure that the test was accurate. Obviously you're not as smart as you claim you are. Or you'd know that.

And when did I say how much my friend was smoking? She probably did like 1 Bong a day. I was only around her twice when she smoked around me...maybe 3 times. And Since when is it up to you or anyone else when someone should be in a possition where pregancy is or isn't possible? I didn't mention that when she was with her ex he'd get her high and rape her did I? Nope.

[quote name='Syk3']Before you even go off and talk about how innaccurate they are, did she use a pregnancy test during the time her period was "fluctuating" to begin with? [/quote]

Why would you use a pregnancy test if your periods have always fluctuated? My period was always on the 19th of the month before I got pregnant. That's why I took a pregnacy test to see what was going on. But my other two friends that got pregnant and weren't in the same situation as I was (ie married) had really off the wall periods and my best friend didn't take a test until she hadn't had hers for 2 months.


What I'm trying to say is even if you take an OTC pregnancy test and it says your are or aren't pregnant you still should go to see your gynocologist or an obstrcician (most are both hence the OBGYN)

Ok, I'm done. Now I'll just wait for you to get indignent again.[/color]

[Zeta]

[QUOTE]
Originally Posted by ChibiHorsewoman
Ok, so some of us who are replyingto this thread may not have smoked MJ, but some of us have seen the effects that Marijuana has had on people close to us.

One of my friends had a misscarriage, my brother's friend was shot at. And my brother lost a few jobs.[/QUOTE]

You made it seem as if she had a misscarriage because of smoking marijuana. And if what you say about how much, or how little she smokes, the misscarriage was not because of the marijuana. I am assuming you mean bowl/one smoking session a day. Bong is the device, you cannot smoke one bong a day, heh. But ya, one bowl/one smoking session a day will not cause a misscarriage. It probably doesn't even get one high to begin with, heh, depending on the stuff.

[Syk3]

[color=black][quote name='ChibiHorsewoman']Ok, I'm done. Now I'll just wait for you to get indignent again.[/quote][/color]
[color=black]Yay, I'm indignent for disagreeing. :rolleyes: [/color]

[color=darkviolet][color=black][quote][i][/color]No need to get nasty, but I thought that with your 3.6 GPA that you were bragging to Siren about that you would have read both posts. I guess I was wrong about that.[color=black][/i][/quote][/color][/color]
[color=darkviolet][color=#000000]Wait a second.. I never said that I had a 3.6 GPA, much less bragged to Siren about it. What are you talking about? haha And for the record, I did read both posts, but I was refferring to your most recent one. I apologize for missing the phrase the second time around, though.[/color]

[color=black][quote][i][/color]Pregnancy tests aren't 100% reliable and that's why you go to an OBGYN to get a second test. They give you some blood tests to make sure that the test was accurate. Obviously you're not as smart as you claim you are. Or you'd know that.[color=black][/i][/quote][/color]
[color=#000000]Perhaps.. or maybe I'm not a woman that has sex very often, so.. lol.[/color]

[color=#000000]I'm just basing my reasoning off a method I know of, which is using pregnancy tests. I'm not saying that you shouldn't check up on it; quite the opposite. You should find out if you're pregnant by doing whatever you can.[/color]

[color=black][quote][i][/color]And when did I say how much my friend was smoking? She probably did like 1 Bong a day. I was only around her twice when she smoked around me...maybe 3 times. And Since when is it up to you or anyone else when someone should be in a possition where pregancy is or isn't possible? I didn't mention that when she was with her ex he'd get her high and rape her did I? Nope.[color=black][/i][/quote][/color]
[color=#000000]A bong a day? Damn, I'd call that a lot. XD Basically, anything that results in a miscarriage is likely to mean she was smoking a lot, or at least regularly (minimum a joint every couple days) when you get down to it.[/color]

[color=#000000]Obviously it isn't up to me. It's her choice. I'm just saying that there are consequences, especially having unprotected sex (you haven't specified either way, but I'm generalizing), especially when smoking frequently (resulting in a miscarriage), and [i]especially [/i]after continuing to date a boyfriend who rapes you (I'm guessing this happened more than once, since you said "he'd" meaning "he would").[/color]

[color=black][quote][i][/color]Why would you use a pregnancy test if your periods have always fluctuated? My period was always on the 19th of the month before I got pregnant. That's why I took a pregnacy test to see what was going on. But my other two friends that got pregnant and weren't in the same situation as I was (ie married) had really off the wall periods and my best friend didn't take a test until she hadn't had hers for 2 months.[color=black][/i][/quote][/color]
[color=#000000]Up up up! You can't take pregnancy tests to "see what was going on" if they aren't reliable, so why take them in the first place if you have to get it verified by the OBGYN? ;) [/color]

[color=#000000]Were you referring to the girl that had the miscarriage being one who had fluctuating periods? The way you described it is a little confusing. In any case, I imagine that periods probably aren't the only outward sign of pregnancy, am I right?[/color]

[color=black][quote][i][/color]What I'm trying to say is even if you take an OTC pregnancy test and it says your are or aren't pregnant you still should go to see your gynocologist or an obstrcician (most are both hence the OBGYN)[/color][color=black][/i][/quote][/color]
[color=black]Hey, tell that to your friend who had the miscarriage. Sucks to be her, but she needs to be on top of things a little more.[/color]

[color=black]I know that you're getting really excited because you finally know about subject matter that was brought up (pregnancy), but if you want to play it that way, then why are you arguing about marijuana in the first place if you haven't smoked it?[/color]

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=Chabichou][COLOR=#004a6f]True, people do find it difficult to stop smoking. That's why I said that banning tabacco and marijuana altogether was somewhat unrealistic.

However, maybe the bannnig of tabbaco products can be gradual, like slowly removing it from stores untill stores don't sell it anymore. Eventually selling cigarettes can be made illegal. For those who are hooked on tabbaco, offer programs that will help them quit during this time. Future generations won't be exposed to tabbaco products normally, because only drug abusers will be using it.

There is no good reason to allow any of these harmful products to be legalized. Like I said before, they can hurt everyone, and the environment. It's not fair to people who don't smoke. You're forcing us to breathe in toxic and dangerous substances second-hand.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I don't really have much to say concerning mary jane and the legalization/banishment of it. I'm only here to quickly reply to Chabichou's post.

No. Sorry. America's not going to [i]ever[/i] ban tobacco. It's too lucrative a business to just cut off the cash from the the Marlboro man and expect him to stay silent. Also, people who are addicted to it already will come and burn down your house if you're trying to ban the stuff. People love their nicotine, and will go to great lengths to make sure they have it.

Yes, there is no really good reason to have mary j or cigarettes legal, except for the fact that we live in America. I don't know about you, but I'd be angry if the government all of the sudden told me I couldn't do X and Y. Really, the government should be dictating people's lives, and it pains me to say it, but smoking falls under that banner.

Yes, we're breathing in second-hand toxic smoke. What're you going to do about it? All you really can do is stay away from the smokers... and while this is annoying, it's their right. If you're so concerned about protecting the environment from cigarette smoke, drive and electric/hybrid car and plant trees or whatever. Honestly, cars pollute [b]way[/b] more than a joint/cigarette.

Like I said above, it [i]isn't[/i] really fair to people who don't smoke, but I can't take away their right to blacken their lungs and help out the economy by wasting thousands on death sticks a year. Sorry. =[

[Morpheus]

[QUOTE=Altron]I don't really have much to say concerning mary jane and the legalization/banishment of it. I'm only here to quickly reply to Chabichou's post.

No. Sorry. America's not going to [i]ever[/i] ban tobacco. It's too lucrative a business to just cut off the cash from the the Marlboro man and expect him to stay silent. Also, people who are addicted to it already will come and burn down your house if you're trying to ban the stuff. People love their nicotine, and will go to great lengths to make sure they have it.

Yes, there is no really good reason to have mary j or cigarettes legal, except for the fact that we live in America. I don't know about you, but I'd be angry if the government all of the sudden told me I couldn't do X and Y. Really, the government should be dictating people's lives, and it pains me to say it, but smoking falls under that banner.

Yes, we're breathing in second-hand toxic smoke. What're you going to do about it? All you really can do is stay away from the smokers... and while this is annoying, it's their right. If you're so concerned about protecting the environment from cigarette smoke, drive and electric/hybrid car and plant trees or whatever. Honestly, cars pollute [b]way[/b] more than a joint/cigarette.

Like I said above, it [i]isn't[/i] really fair to people who don't smoke, but I can't take away their right to blacken their lungs and help out the economy by wasting thousands on death sticks a year. Sorry. =[[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a $600 million or so lawsuit that threatens to wipe out tobacco in the works. The charge: Intent to harm.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]Yeah, I think that tobacco should be made illegal as well. I mean who cares that warnings about tobacco causing emphysema began circulating on a national level in the 1950?s. Who cares that by the early seventies it was common knowledge that it causes and aggravates various types of cancer. And, although it has always been one of the hardest substances on earth to quit using, who knew cigarettes were addictive? It is too bad that the government doesn?t step in and stop us from choosing to use a substance that we know is addictive and probably will kill us.

You know what else the government should ban? Caffeine. Caffeine is a mind-altering drug that speeds your heart rate and causes mild euphoria. It can aggravate ulcers and help increase stress levels in your body elevating the risk of heart conditions. And to top it off there are not even warnings on gags of coffee and cans of coke!

And what about fast food? Shoot what about large portion sizes that you receive at restraints? Man I wish the government would regulate what I eat. I mean, how am I supposed to know that eating six pounds of fried food every night and following it off with two desserts could lead to obesity?

There sure are a lot of car accidents in America too. Automobiles are dangerous contraptions that require quite a bit of concentration to operate. I just don?t think people are capable of using them in a very safe manner. Nope the government should out law those rolling death traps as well.

Didn?t man build governments to protect us from our own idiotic mistakes?[/color]

[James]

[color=#334366]I just want to step in and make an obvious point. You probably know what I'm going to say.

Justifying something bad by pointing out a million other bad things is not really going to get anyone anywhere. The subject is marijuana, not fast food or automobiles. Of [i]course[/i] there are many legal things that can hurt people -- I think the question is simply "do we take a harmful drug and make it legal?" Obviously there are many, many repercussions that need to be considered -- I can see arguments on both the positive and negative side, personally.

But yeah. I don't think it's terribly constructive to point to other bad things when we aren't even discussing those things; if you keep following that logic it's a bit like saying "I'll just go and do everything harmful because one day I will eventually die anyway". You know?

I think that the moment we get caught up in comparing the degrees of damage between different activities, we start to get into semantics that don't offer anything relevant to the topic.

So, I consider it important to remain focused on the topic, particularly given that this thread has been about the effects of marijuana itself (which, athough being debated on both sides, are pretty clear if you read the evidence provided earlier), as well as the question of legalization (which is a very complicated issue, with many different points to it).[/color]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE=James][color=#334366]
Justifying something bad by pointing out a million other bad things is not really going to get anyone anywhere. The subject is marijuana, not fast food or automobiles. Of [i]course[/i] there are many legal things that can hurt people -- I think the question is simply "do we take a harmful drug and make it legal?" Obviously there are many, many repercussions that need to be considered -- I can see arguments on both the positive and negative side, personally.
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[color=indigo]Tsk, James, you took a purely satirical post as an attempt at an argument. I guess my sarcasm must have been ill conveyed. The comparison between marijuana and cigarettes is moot, because cigarettes are legal, marijuana is not. So the comparisons, health related, addiction related, cost related are more or less pointless in this argument, like fast food, automobiles and the whole lot.

Anyway, for every logical argument made on either side of this point there have been two or three illogical points or comparisons made.

For example, the point has been made that marijuana can aggravate preexisting mental disorders such as paranoia, depression, and schizophrenia. That is a solid, logical argument on why marijuana is a dangerous drug and should remain illegal. However, stating that your friend had a miscarriage and it was due to the consumption of a very small amount of marijuana is ridiculous. I have scoured pages on the web to see if there is a link between marijuana and miscarriages, and there is nothing (though there is quite a bit about the possibility of a baby being born with weak and underdeveloped lungs) correlating the two.
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[Shinmaru]

[quote name='Heaven's Cloud][color=indigo']Tsk, James, you took a purely satirical post as an attempt at an argument. I guess my sarcasm must have been ill conveyed. The comparison between marijuana and cigarettes is moot, because cigarettes are legal, marijuana is not. So the comparisons, health related, addiction related, cost related are more or less pointless in this argument, like fast food, automobiles and the whole lot.[/COLOR][/quote]

I'm pretty sure that he was referring to earlier in the thread, when people were arguing about how just about anything you put into your body is harmful on some level. I was able to discern pretty easily that you were being really sarcastic with your post, and I'm sure James was as well.

I agree with James and HC that getting into that too much is a rather silly way to go about trying to prove your point. So is arguing about grades, miscarriages, and whatever else people are pulling out of their hats.

My opinion on the matter is that I don't care what most people put into their body, as long as they do it responsibly (as responsibly as one could use something like marijuana, anyway). If marijuana were to be legalized, then there would have to be very stringent restrictions placed upon it like Syk3 mentioned earlier. What those restrictions would be, I don't know. It's not my place to decide that.

I've never used marijuana before, and I don't really plan to. I'm well aware that marijuana is not [i]quite[/i] as dangerous as people think, but it's still not some wonderful thing that's completely free of bad reprocussions if you use it. As Syk3, Zeta and others have been saying, I wouldn't want people to use it if they're just going to be blazed out of their mind the whole time, and become a danger to others.

But whatever. Marijuana is illegal, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon. The United States is far too conservative for that to happen, I think. That doesn't affect me too much, so whatever.

Anyway, I just wanted to do a quick post. No arguing with me about my grades, or my diet, or how much second-hand smoke I've inhaled in the past fifteen years. There's already too much silly arguing on the Internet to allow for more of that. :)

[DarkOtakuBoy]

Well, I almost didnt post in this thred, because I'm not really in a debating mood. So, I'm just going to give my general opinion on weed.

I must smoke no more than 3 joints a year, and I have plenty of friends who more or less smokes the same amount. We kind of reserve it for the biggest of house parties or special occasions. For instance, my friends wedding was in January, so after the reception we got a little high and drunk. The point I'm trying to make is, I don't beleive it is bad at ALL if people are not stupid about it, and just use it to have a good time every once in a while. I feel that way about a lot of things; alcohol (I drink more than I smoke up, but not every week or anything), caffine, bad food, etc. If people use these as simple pleasues in life (in moderation) and not become addicted or obsessed with it, then I personally don't beleive there's a problem. I am not against weed in any shape or form, but I AM against people who would abuse it and ruin their lives. The same can be said about people addicted to eating. (We don't blame the food, after all.) I LOVE my life so much, and I take pleasure in a variety of things. I really dont know the extent of damage from three joints a year, but its probably so infinitesimal, that it can't be quantified. I'm sure the cigs or the bad food are doing MUCH more damage to me. (I have to quit cigarettes, I know.) Bottom line, however; we all put dangerous or risky things in our bodies, at least in some form. Be it fatty foods, or the occasional joint...these are things that sometimes, I beleive....just makes life worth living. =)

Lenny

[Fall]

[font=Verdana][size=2]As much as I'm in this discussion as I'm not, I just want to say my point of view on the drug... and then leave. :toothy:[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]I know many people that are on pot, more than half my friends are on it, I know for sure. And then half of them are on other drugs.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]I'm probably the most "drugs-are-******" person in the world. (figure of speech :drunk: ) But, I don't care if people are on it. It's they're choice.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]I have seen what marijuana can do to people. Depression is the main factor. One of my best friends, I had known my whole life, was on pot. He gave up after three years of "marijuana-world". That first week, he went unhappy. I swear. I could see it was tearing him apart. His life went down the drain. He killed himself eight months later.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]As much as this drug might harm you physically, the mental effects of it can be just as bad, if not worse.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]Marijuana cost me a best friend. And the way things are now, I won't be surprised if it does harm to more of my friends. I don't want it to.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]I smoke cigarettes. Yes, nicotine may be addictive. I've been smoking for well over two years, and I'm not addicted. I've been a month without a cigarette, no cravings. The next time I had a cigarette was when my friend offered me one out of the blue. I know it's hurting me. [i]"I know it's hurting me"[/i]. But I still do it. Maybe my friends on pot are in the same shoes. They just do it. You're either addicted or not. Simple. Whether you're addicted or not, doesn't tell you why you're smoking it or not. You don't [i]start smoking[/i] because you're addicted. You start because [i]you want[/i] [i]to.[/i][/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]As much addiction in the drug as there may be, it's not the whole reason more and more people are getting on weed. It's peer ******* pressure. It's personal choice. It's a human decision. Addiction is only an end result. An end result of a human decision. An end result that can damage.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]It's not going to stop. This damn drug is illegal here, always has been as far as I know. And yet my school is running like a god-damn cropfield. Fines, jail, charges, whatever. Nothing's gonna stop anyone who's on pot. It's gonna be as easy to get here now as if it was if the damn thing was legalized.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]Illagal things are sought after. The word "illegal" puts that "ting" into the whole thing. If it's illegal, its worth more. It's worth it all. It's better. "Legalized" ruins it. It has no "ting". But it has the "easy"... more people would be on it. "Legalized" makes it easier to get. So easy. That's why more people would be on it.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]"Illegal" has the "ting" everyone wants. "Legalized" has the "easy" everyone wants. Either way, the drug wins. The bad guy wins.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]It's never gonna go away. Never. It's gonna keep taking lives. Kids, people, they like playing with their lives. They like playing with their emotions. Without emotions, without the drugs to make emotions, this world wouldn't be right. [/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]There's always gonna be the "drug" that everyone wants. Some people find it, some don't.[/size][/font]

[LPpunkrocka]

Hmmm...should marijuana be legalized, eh?
*shakes head* NO!
I really don't care how many people on here may have said it should be, or "it's the people's choice". If it's the people's choice, they should choose what's GOOD for them...You're probably going to say, "But some people think marijuana IS good for them". Guess what? It's not, and many people who are on it KNOW it.
The stuff is really addictive, and dangerous for your health, but once you're on it, chances of stopping you are very slim.
I know for a fact that the crap affects your lungs, and your brain thinks you're drowning. Your brain is pretty much right, but it won't matter because the only reason you'll be on the stuff is because of the addicting thing about it!
I understand that for some CERTAIN corporate fat cats out there, it's a good way to get money, but here's what I have to say: "ARE THERE NOT OTHER ******* WAYS TO GET YOUR HANDS ON SOME ****** ******* CASH???"
It's not healthy, and I'll bet it's one of those causes of America's debts, if I'm not mistaken.
I understand that I, being a 13-year-old, might not make much difference in my say, but what the ****-I'll say what I want to anyways. So, my answer is no. Period.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='LPpunkrocka']The stuff is really addictive, and dangerous for your health, but once you're on it, chances of stopping you are very slim.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]I only know this because I asked my brother (and after this I'm not jumping back in because nobody really listens to me about birth defects and marijuana) Marijuana is only psycologically addictive, not physically addictive.

You just think you need it you really don't. Other than that you're right and that's the only time i'm defending that stink stuff...I swear my mother-in-law smells better.[/color]