Michael Jackson Guilty or Not?

[Guest Alchemist]

I wanted to know your opinion on this. personaly i thinkhe is not guilty of the allegations. i hate when people say "He is guilty come on look at him no one that looks like him is innocent." The court evidence is extremely shaky. They have a lot of proof of the family commiting fraud for accusations. So what do you think?
o 1 more thing [B]FREE MJ!!!!!![/B]

[AzureWolf]

[COLOR=blue]Even if he is innocent, there are other reasons I would want him locked up, behind bars, and possibly do sunlight justice by keeping it fifty feet away from him at all times.[/COLOR]

[Guest Alchemist]

[quote name='AzureWolf][COLOR=blue']Even if he is innocent, there are other reasons I would want him locked up, behind bars, and possibly do sunlight justice by keeping it fifty feet away from him at all times.[/COLOR][/quote]
I mean sure they could lock him up for the illegal "skin condition", the skin bleaching he did to himself is illegal. but what is the use he did it to himself.
What are your reasons?

[elfpirate]

[b]You know-- my own life is so very full of my own major problems... problems that actually affect my life and the lives of the people around me-- and I couldn't possibly care any freaking less about some scrawny, trans-racial, quasi-faced billionaire stranger and his court plea.[/b]

[b]I may be an ***hole for not sugar-coating this post, but I get really sick of constantly hearing about the problems facing the people who live in the lap of luxery while I watch the people I love struggle and toil and [i]still[/i] have to worry about providing for themselves and their loved ones.[/b]

[b]The guy has a private amusement park on his ranch-house property and he flies hither and yon in his own private jet while my mom busts her *** all week and still can't afford the medications that she [i]needs[/i]. And she's a college graduate... there's no reason for the outrageous pay discrepancies in this country... priorities are seriously f***ed up in this country.[/b]

[b]Boo freakin' hoo for Mr. Plasticised Billionaire. [/b]

[Havoc88]

I could care less. He gets all this attention because he'sy. If he were just some guy no one would care. For the love fo god, report something useful for once! Not this stupid case...

[Semjaza]

I don't know if he's guilty in other cases, but I do not think he's guilty in this case. At least not without cause for reasonable doubt. The parent for the main child in this case is a cheat and has been caught in similar circumstances in the past (she claimed her kid had cancer, took all the money and spent it -- he didn't have cancer at all). Plus, there's been a lot of story changing on the part of some of the witnesses.

[PWNED]

I'm not sure at the moment because I haven't heard enough of the evidence to decide. I mysekf think he should be in trouble because of the Illegal Skin Bleaching but I am not sure about the Pedophilia charges.

[Minako]

I have not right to say whether or not Mr. Jackson is guilty or not. I don't know what went on in that bedroom and (hopefully) never will. If you ask me, I think he's a washed up star (and he knows it) and he's desperately trying to get the attention he once got when he was a huge mega-star. (NOTE: the dangling the baby out the window thing) I personally don't know him so I also have no right to judge. (Although his voice gives me the heebie-jeebies...)

In a nutshell, I don't know if he's guilty or not. I have my own opinions but my opinions don't count in the court of law.

[TheShinje]

[size=1][color=DimGray][b]Skin bleaching?[/b] Jackson has Vitiligo.
[url]http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/vitiligo/vitiligo.htm[/url]

I'm not sure if he's guilty or not, it's too sooon to tell, the cross examinations haven't finished yet. The boy's story seems to have changed quite a bit. this whole situation is not helped by the fact that Tom Sneddon has been after jackson for such a long time. It's possible that his judgement might have ben clouded, and he's jumped on this chance to have another go at Jackson. There is no doubt in Sneddon's mind that jackson is a child molester, wether he is or not is another story.

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[Guest Alchemist]

[quote name='Havoc88']I could care less. He gets all this attention because he'sy. If he were just some guy no one would care. For the love fo god, report something useful for once! Not this stupid case...[/quote]

If you did think it was important than don't post about it.
I thought it was a good thread.

[Bloodseeker]

[QUOTE=elfpirate][b]You know-- my own life is so very full of my own major problems... problems that actually affect my life and the lives of the people around me-- and I couldn't possibly care any freaking less about some scrawny, trans-racial, quasi-faced billionaire stranger and his court plea.[/b]

[b]I may be an ***hole for not sugar-coating this post, but I get really sick of constantly hearing about the problems facing the people who live in the lap of luxery while I watch the people I love struggle and toil and [i]still[/i] have to worry about providing for themselves and their loved ones.[/b]

[b]The guy has a private amusement park on his ranch-house property and he flies hither and yon in his own private jet while my mom busts her *** all week and still can't afford the medications that she [i]needs[/i]. And she's a college graduate... there's no reason for the outrageous pay discrepancies in this country... priorities are seriously f***ed up in this country.[/b]

[b]Boo freakin' hoo for Mr. Plasticised Billionaire. [/b][/QUOTE]

Quit feeling sorry for yourself. He's rich because he used to have talent, and he put that talent to good use. Its not like he was born a billionare. Despite the piece of trash that he's turned into, he at least deserves the recognition that he's gotten over the years, because he used to be great.

Now if you want blunt, I'm going to say that its more than just a little suspicious that he invited little boys into his house and let them sleep with him. Everything seems to point to him having bribed the kids to keep quiet about the whole affair. But he'll probably bribe the prosecution to keep their mouths shut if they get anything solid...

[Lacuna Coil]

[size=1]Whether he's guilty or not guilty, it's really none of the publics business. Would you want your weird likes/dislikes spread across the country to people who don't even know you? Probably not. Just because he enjoys spending kids doesn't nesicarily(sp?) mean he's a pedophile, although he may be. I don't rightly think he is, people are greedy and they'll say and do anything to get their hands on money, even make their children lie and ruin someones life.

Jacksons a little weird, but I doubt he molests children. Not guilty.[/size]

[Ozymandius Jones]

[quote name='Lacuna Coil][size=1']Whether he's guilty or not guilty, it's really none of the publics business. Would you want your weird likes/dislikes spread across the country to people who don't even know you? [/size][/quote]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]Ahem. I'm sorry, but that had to be called out. Do you have any idea what you just said? If not, allow me to emphasize your quote.[/COLOR]

[quote name='Lacuna Coil][size=1][B]Whether he's guilty or not guilty[/B'], it's really none of the publics business. Would you want your weird likes/dislikes spread across the country to people who don't even know you? [/size][/quote]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]Dude, or dudette, as it may be, this is a kid we're talking about. Not something like drugs, or alchohol or something you do to yourself. If these charges are true, he did something that could permenantly scar - physically, mentally and emotionally - another human being. It has gone from being "a weird like" to being something that could seriously harm another human being. Frankly, I don't care if celebrities drink/do drugs/get themselves into half a dozen illicit affairs per week...it's their bodies; I wish they wouldn't, but in the loong run the only person they're hurting is themselves. However, with a charge like [i]child molestation[/i] then yeah...throw the book at them, and possibly take certain parts of their anatomy off.

Back on the topic, I have no clue if he's guilty. I do, however, think that it's going to be hard to have the jury be impartial. Everyone in the whole country has heard about this...heck, most of the [i]world[/i] has heard about this, and almost everybody has already made up their minds about his innocence/guilt. Another score for our media...[/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE=Zenju][size=1][color=DimGray][b]Skin bleaching?[/b] Jackson has Vitiligo.
[url]http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/vitiligo/vitiligo.htm[/url]
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. I know this is what he says, but so many people close to him in some form have really said otherwise. What he has is really beyond what fits under vitiligo.

[James]

[color=#B0251E]While we are on the subject of vitiligo...I had always thought that Michael Jackson [i]does[/i] have the disease, but that it comes out in splotches on the skin. And so, he apparently bleaches the rest so that his skin is one uniform colour. At least, that's what I'd heard reported and it seems reasonable enough to me. I would assume that making your skin uniformly darker would be tougher than making it whiter...but since I'm nowhere near being an expert on that subject, I really have no idea.

But honestly, I don't really even know why this entire subject is all that worthy of discussion. Surely it gets over-discussed in the media as it is. I have ideas about what's going on and everything (like everyone else does), but honestly, I really don't care at all. The more I hear about it, the less I care.[/color]

[elfpirate]

[quote name='Bloodseeker']Quit feeling sorry for yourself. He's rich because he used to have talent, and he put that talent to good use. Its not like he was born a billionare. Despite the piece of trash that he's turned into, he at least deserves the recognition that he's gotten over the years, because he used to be great.[/quote]
[b]heh- I wasn't feeling sorry for myself-- I was feeling sorry for a nation that pays no attention to the child rapist living right next door but whose attention is turned to a jack*** like MJ just because he was born with a talent and became a superstar-- and may be a child molester.[/b]

[b]Honestly, do you know the names of the sexual predators in your own community? I doubt it-- but MJ is worth all this attention WHY?[/b]

[b]And by the way-- he was like 5 years old when he recorded the first songs with his family-- he didn't go out and make it on his own-- other people did that for him.[/b]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Edit: Second time in this thread I have edited out inappropriate language. Please use more caution when writing your posts. Remember that swearing is against the rules of the site and considered spam. Thanks. -Panda[/COLOR]

[Bloodseeker]

You make it sound like its not because of his own ability that he made it. He wouldn't have made it in the 80's if he didn't have it. Just because his parents nurtured his natural abilty doesn't mean that he didn't suceed on his own.

Personally, I don't think that court cases should be publicised at all, as it prevents a fair trial. The public will almost always scream "GUILTY!" and will get downright pissed if the verdict isn't so.

[Havokio]

[COLOR=Indigo]It's not the fact of whether or not he's guilty or not that we should be concerned about. The verdict is the problem.

I don't think he's guilty, but that means nothing.

Sample defence:

He has had a series of accusations of child molestaion, so why would you send your child into the jaws of a monster?

Here's why that wouldn't work:

Even though the parent is partial to blame, the fact is that he shouldn't have done that, REGARDLESS of circumstances.

Let's keep in mind that the jury consists of (correct me if I'm wrong) 6-7 parents, all but one of those parents are women, who are very protective of children. There, in the entire jury, are at least 8 women. Mothers, widows, and former parents.

This means one thing...

He's screwed... whether we like it or not.[/COLOR]

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=elfpirate][b]heh- I wasn't feeling sorry for myself-- I was feeling sorry for a nation that pays no attention to the child rapist living right next door but whose attention is turned to a jackass like MJ just because he was born with a talent and became a superstar-- and may be a child molester.[/b]

[b]Honestly, do you know the names of the sexual predators in your own community? I doubt it-- but MJ is worth all this attention WHY?[/b]

[b]And by the way-- he was like 5 years old when he recorded the first songs with his family-- he didn't go out and make it on his own-- other people did that for him.[/b][/QUOTE]

Amen to that. Why should Micheal Jackson get so much attention for something that happens all the freakin time? If he's a child molester, throw him in jail and get it over with! Do you think all of this BS goes on with a normal child molester? If an average guy is accused, they bust in, find proof, and arest the guy. Their just milking this case for as much publicity as they can. Micheal may have had talent, and he may have been a great singer, in fact, I even like some of his music, but that doesn't make him innocent (or guilty).

I have no proof though. As Havokio said, he's screwed.

[Dielover]

He's guilty and that's all there is to it. Why would he pay half a million dollars to the first family that charged him if he didn't have something to hide? I also agree, stop wasting time with this jack *** and catch the other ten billion child molesters and rapists in the community. The people of this country can be so stupid... :animesigh :animeangr

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

Well I've been watching [B]Sky One UK's[/B] reconstruction of the Michael Jackson trial since it started, and I have to admit that my belief that he is innocent has only been reinforced by what I've seen. From the reconstruction of the testimonies of the two Arviso Boys [Gavin and Star] I have to admit that the amount of times they're proven to have changed their statements and in Star's case lied altogether does make me hope Jackson can walk away from this one with his head held high.[/SIZE]

[mr.magoo1]

well i think he guilty and the fact is he a werido

[Kamuro]

I actually thank elfpirate for not sugarcoating it, I'm tired of hearing about it, period, however, I don't think its merely coincidental that so many children have come forward claiming he did these things to them, it would be different if he was standing alone, especially consider other "fraud" cases, but what about all the other children he brought into his house? and slept with "innocently"?

[Gelgoog Pilot]

I have to agree that thoses boys are, if indeed lying, screwing themselves out of the case. They have changed their story on too many of occasions. On the other hand...what is up with Mj's sudden fetish for stalling the case? Could it be he's trying to work on a settlement with some members of the jury or with the prosecutors? I don't know. His actions in court are becoming idiotic...if anything they should hold him in comtempt for his repeated tardiness to the court date. Around here or any other court room a missed court date or even a tardy arrival is still fined or slapped with another charge.

Anyway...I'm still on the fence about this one...he could have done it seeing as his infactuation with little boys is long standing, or it could be just that an infactuation that has yet to materialize into molestation.

[Kamuro]

I definitely agree with the thoughts on his weird actions in court, I think people suspect him and actually believe these kids because of the kind of person micheal jackson is, coming to court in pajamas, always being late, unorganized, his lifestyle of bringing other people's children to his home, and asking them to stay the night? If micheal jackson was a normal person, I don't think anyone would be believe these children, cause your right, their story has changed, and fraud has already been admitted considering other cases, conclusion is, its his own damn fault, for god sakes, its not "ignorant" to be against children sleeping with him, its obvious, even if he didn't do it, I'm tired of hearing him whine about being accused and how obsurd it is, step back and take a look at yourself and see just how obsurd it really is, retard...