Anime Anime sexism

[kitsunekami]

hey, guess wat? if you don't like that sorta ****, then don't read it! or watch it or whatever. quite frankly, i have absolutely no problem with. it's hentai, i mean, this is the saddest arguement i have ever heard. LISTEN, IT SELLS! truest me! i learned this with doujin. H doujin sells a hell of alot better than non H doujinshi. to refrace it-SEX SELLS. besides, i think that jsut because you see someone in an anime with big boobs you yell "SEXISM" is pretty dam sad, too. i mean, that doesnt make the series sexist at all. for it to be sexist, there has to be descrimination against woman. and often that isn't the case.

[sakurasuka]

[quote name='kitsunekami']hey, guess wat? if you don't like that sorta ****, then don't read it! or watch it or whatever. quite frankly, i have absolutely no problem with. it's hentai, i mean, this is the saddest arguement i have ever heard. LISTEN, IT SELLS! truest me! i learned this with doujin. H doujin sells a hell of alot better than non H doujinshi. to refrace it-SEX SELLS. besides, i think that jsut because you see someone in an anime with big boobs you yell "SEXISM" is pretty dam sad, too. i mean, that doesnt make the series sexist at all. for it to be sexist, there has to be descrimination against woman. and often that isn't the case.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Sex does sell. And that's the saddest part of it. Guys nowadays would much rather sit at home and watch porno/hentai than live thier lives and meet [i]real[/i] girls. And - because of the obnoxiously large chested women in anime and other places - boys are having a skewed view of reality and of women. Magizines, TV shows, movies, and now even cartoons are portraying women as merely sex objects.

It's no wonder so many teen girls are falling back on plastic surgery lately. I think that's really what girls have a problem with, it's now having to compete with not only our peers, but the goddamn cartoon characters.

Personally, I think that the flat-chested girls from DNAngel are cuter, and much more pretty than the mongo-bongos from Psycic Academy. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's somewhat gross and un-realistic. [/SIZE]

[Starwind]

[quote name='sakurasuka][SIZE=1]Sex does sell. And that's the saddest part of it. Guys nowadays would much rather sit at home and watch porno/hentai than live thier lives and meet [i]real[/i'] girls. And - because of the obnoxiously large chested women in anime and other places - boys are having a skewed view of reality and of women. Magizines, TV shows, movies, and now even cartoons are portraying women as merely sex objects. [/SIZE][/quote]

I will speak on behalf of hte men here, Real women aren't very resposive to us. Trust me on this. I'm not into Hentai and I never will be, but some guys just are too afraid of real girls to bother to talk to them. Trust me, of all of life on the earth, none are more frightening then a teenage girl.

Sex sells. This is simply the truth of the world, and as sad as it is, it's the explanation for all these sexual animes and Hentai imparticular. But anyway, That's all I have to say on be halef of my gender, real women are cruel and unsympathetic. There are no rewards for the bold nerd other then an eldow in the face and a demeaning remark. If your a nerd, your chances witha teenage firl are slim to none.

[HeartStopper]

I totally disagree with you!! The majority of manga/anime fans are male. to attract a male to a certain manga/anime their gonna use a hot chick wearing tight clothes with tits the size of watermelon, no guy wants to read or watch something about some ugly, flat chested chick dressing like a boy!

[Dagger]

[quote name='HeartStopper']I totally disagree with you!! The majority of manga/anime fans are male. to attract a male to a certain manga/anime their gonna use a hot chick wearing tight clothes with tits the size of watermelon, no guy wants to read or watch something about some ugly, flat chested chick dressing like a boy![/quote]
And yet they [i]do[/i] want to read & watch stuff about flat-chested lolis... hm...

Fanservice-y character designs aren't limited to large-breasted women. If anything, the moe trend is more prevalent.

~Dagger~

[Panache]

I agree mohoro was flat chested.

[Ikillion]

[quote name='HeartStopper']I totally disagree with you!! The majority of manga/anime fans are male. to attract a male to a certain manga/anime their gonna use a hot chick wearing tight clothes with tits the size of watermelon, no guy wants to read or watch something about some ugly, flat chested chick dressing like a boy![/quote]

[COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]-sigh- Sadly thats what alot of people think most of the time when they are making Manga/Anime/Hentai or whatever. The sad truth about most of is that if most girls in real life try to do exactly that, they end up having back problems and such and end up regreting what they started.

For me however, when I go shopping for a manga or just look for whatever. I dont just look at the cover and go " -drool, swoon- That girl have HUUUge breasts thats going to be a good manga if she is the main character" I actually sit down and look at it and once I do take it all in THEN I actually decide to buy it or not.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Panache]

[QUOTE=Starwind]

Sex sells. This is simply the truth of the world, and as sad as it is, it's the explanation for all these sexual animes and Hentai imparticular.[/QUOTE]

It's not sad that sex sells. We were put on this earth to have children right? So if thats the way we get them. Its a beautiful thing if done for the right reasons in the right manner.

also to the ohter guy what did you mean that they get back problems? You mean implants? Well those are actually made to be light.

[sakurasuka]

[quote name='Starwind']I will speak on behalf of hte men here, Real women aren't very resposive to us. Trust me on this. I'm not into Hentai and I never will be, but some guys just are too afraid of real girls to bother to talk to them. Trust me, of all of life on the earth, none are more frightening then a teenage girl.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Not responsive? Pffftttt, most guys are just assh*les. Not pointing fingers at you, you seem to be alright, but most guys are simply idiots. Do you disagree? Well, you shouldn't.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Starwind']Sex sells. This is simply the truth of the world, and as sad as it is, it's the explanation for all these sexual animes and Hentai imparticular. But anyway, That's all I have to say on be halef of my gender, real women are cruel and unsympathetic. There are no rewards for the bold nerd other then an eldow in the face and a demeaning remark. If your a nerd, your chances witha teenage firl are slim to none.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]I'd like to think I'm not cruel and unsympathetic. You're generalizing women. Don't bunch me with every other female on the planet, I don't appreciate it. And, just so you know, I've never turned down a guy because he was a 'nerd'. I've dated all sorts of guys, and they've all burned me. Nerd, jock, goth, punk, it's all the same to me. If a girl only cares about stupid things like that, they're just not worth it.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Avenged666fold']also to the ohter guy what did you mean that they get back problems? You mean implants? Well those are actually made to be light.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]The ignorance and girl-bashing in this thread makes me want to hurt someone.

*Hits Avenged666fold and Starwind with baseball bat* There, now I feel better.[/SIZE]

[kitsunekami]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][SIZE=1]Sex does sell. And that's the saddest part of it. Guys nowadays would much rather sit at home and watch porno/hentai than live thier lives and meet [i]real[/i] girls. And - because of the obnoxiously large chested women in anime and other places - boys are having a skewed view of reality and of women. Magizines, TV shows, movies, and now even cartoons are portraying women as merely sex objects.

It's no wonder so many teen girls are falling back on plastic surgery lately. I think that's really what girls have a problem with, it's now having to compete with not only our peers, but the goddamn cartoon characters.

Personally, I think that the flat-chested girls from DNAngel are cuter, and much more pretty than the mongo-bongos from Psycic Academy. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's somewhat gross and un-realistic. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

i agree with some of your points, that it really has messed up alot of stuff in our world, but you can't blame most of it on anime and manga, i think. but still, that's the world you have to live in. i also agree wtih Avenged666fold, and i still think this whole forum has a pretty sad argument and big boobs don't make somthing "sexism" or whatever the hell the person decided to call it.

oh yeah, some guys like flat chested girls too. it's called lolicon...lmao.

[Saya]

Hentai is brought up elsewhere (namely the thread dealing with Hentai), but I thought this does deserve some sort of response...
[quote name='Sakurasuka']Sex does sell. And that's the saddest part of it. Guys nowadays would much rather sit at home and watch porno/Hentai than live their lives and meet real girls. And - because of the obnoxiously large chested women in anime and other places - boys are having a skewed view of reality and of women. Magizines, TV shows, movies, and now even cartoons are portraying women as merely sex objects.[/quote]I'm not quite sure I agree with you, certainly sex sells but I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Guys nowadays? I watch Hentai and I'd much rather have a woman in real life, and chest size means absolutely nothing to me and I'm a huge anime fan/Hentai fan.

Am I different from what is norm is?

I don't think so... while I certainly understand your concerns it has very little do with anime and Hentai and more to do with the individual in question (it might have little to do with the porn industry as well, but that?s beyond the scope of this topic as it in and of itself is a highly debatable topic). Certainly there are [i]some[/i] individuals who fit what you're saying perfectly, I know a few, but it isn't a standard and it certainly isn't enough to warrant saying "guys nowadays."

What I think is a little upsetting is the fact that you keep saying "now" as though that means something. You do know pornographic cartoons have been around for quite sometime, and if you think they're anymore popular now than they were in the history, you've got another thing coming. Sure there are times when certain types of artistic mediums are more popular than others, but I doubt that was your point. There is nothing new under the sun.

[quote name='Sakurasuka']It's no wonder so many teen girls are falling back on plastic surgery lately. I think that's really what girls have a problem with, it's now having to compete with not only our peers, but the goddamn cartoon characters.[/quote]I think this is a very simplistic view of an age old problem (and I do see what you are saying and I do consider it a problem). But it is an individual problem and must be dealt with on an individual basis, not on a large scale basis (it is, in my opinion, not as large scale as you make it seem [b]at least[/b] insofar as it pertains to hinting at those themes in animes, cartoons, and mangas).

[quote name='Dagger']Fanservice-y character designs aren't limited to large-breasted women. If anything, the moe trend is more prevalent.[/quote]True... many animes would also break the mold you gave them Sakurasuka, and fan service can be achieved with characters that have flat chests as well as ones with larger chests (in fact, I could name a few examples in which many flat chests were more prevalent with characters in a given series/video game/manga line... but in the end it would be splitting hairs, I don't know which is actually more prevalent and I don't think it's relevant).
[quote name='HeartStopper]I totally disagree with you!! The majority of manga/anime fans are male. to attract a male to a certain manga/anime their gonna use a hot chick wearing tight clothes with tits the size of watermelon, no guy wants to read or watch something about some ugly, flat chested chick dressing like a boy![/quote]I'm too appalled to give this a decent reply.[quote=Sakurasuka]Not responsive? Pffftttt, most guys are just assh*les. Not pointing fingers at you, you seem to be alright, but most guys are simply idiots. Do you disagree? Well, you shouldn't.[/quote]I disagree, and I fail to see any argument given as to why I should agree with that conclusion here.[quote=Kitsunekami']i agree with some of your points, that it really has messed up alot of stuff in our world, but you can't blame most of it on anime and manga, i think.[/quote]A very important point.

Now the reality: do many guys prefer seeing larger chests on their anime heroines over flat chests? Not sure seen things that run opposed to that. Do many guys like seeing large chest girls in animes, generally speaking? I'd say many [b]people[/b] do... not just guys. Actresses in real life are preferred in similar ways based on seemingly silly characteristics. Yes, socially it might in fact be considered the norm for how women should seem more ?feminine,? as disgusting as it sounds. Again, the problem has little to do with anime and mangas, and I think as far as they are concerned, it might not even appropriately apply.

When large chest characters are in animes solely as fan service it does strike me as silly... but apparently a lot of people dig that kind of stuff.

Whatever the reality of this is, I highly doubt that anime and mangas really set unfair expectations for women in society. That argument has been around longer than time itself: it's very big in the motion picture and modeling industries for example. Overall I'm inclined to say it is much more important there than it is for this specific genre (most notably modeling).

If such things play any role at all in mangas and animes (as they pertain to how men treat women or what men in general expect of women in society), then I have yet to see it.

[x_kr3w_x]

[quote name='Synical']Do you realise, that anime/manga mainly have women with boobs bigger than thier heads wearing skimpy bikinis (eg: love hina) or tight costumes? but you never see many blokes like that. Women are portraid in a slutty way, which is not how some live their lifestyle. If anyone disagrees with me, please say so.[/quote]

Look I Agree but not all anime is like that i myslef like this one kind of anime called Initial D Also it is good if you like cars....So I introduce you all noobs to Initial D

[url]http://www.geocities.com/go2initiald/main.html[/url]

[kitsunekami]

[QUOTE=x_kr3w_x]Look I Agree but not all anime is like that i myslef like this one kind of anime called Initial D Also it is good if you like cars....So I introduce you all noobs to Initial D
[/QUOTE]

yeah, we all already know that not eveything is like that. we already got over that. besides, prolly most of us have already heard of initial D. and don't call us noobs, wth. and i don't see anything wrong with it anyways.

[luzkage]

definitely. The females in anime are often portrayed with bodies that are anatomically incorrect- barbies if you will. Most of the females will more often than not have playboy figures, unless it's a specific character trait (eg: Lina Inverse of Slayers) I think the inaccurate portrayal of women in anime parrallels that of today's models. How many women do we know actually look like the ones in Dior or Gucci ads? In reality women don't look like the models in [I]Vogue[/I] or like [B]Hevn[/B] from Getbackers. Anime is not a realistic in the portrayal of either genders be it male or female. Do guys usually look like Camui Gackt the Japanese sensation or Hiei from yu yu Hakusho? It's not necessarily a bad or good thing that anime is presenting the characters with beautiful faces and perfect bodies. It's more of what society wants to see, sadly. Not all animes are like that though, the majority are. :animeswea

[Panache]

Well the point of anime is to escape reality.
Also I think beautifull men and weomen are nessesary to draw in a crowd, beacause people are superficial. I mean ladies you see a 500 pound guy walking around do you think
A. Man hes got one sexy personality and hes smart as hell to oh i just wanna talk to him
or
B. Man that fatass sure needs some slimfast real fast ohh boy is he fat jeez.

Well im pretty sure all the normal girls picked B.

So are guys different? Hell no. So if you want anime to prosper your gonna have to deal with t&a ladies and guy your gonna have to deal with pretty boys.