The Pope's condition has worsened

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]I was rather surprised and a little saddened that there wasn't already a thread on this subject, seeing that it's been all over the news for what appears to be the twenty-four hours.

As many people know the Holy Father's already weakened health has been steadily declining again over the last 24 hours, what began with a urinary infection has led to septic shock [blood poisoning], cardio circulatory shutdown, unstable blood pressure and renal failure. The Vatican has denied vigorously that the 84 Holy Father has not lapsed into a coma as stated by certain reports , he is as stated by Dr Navarro-Valls "Still lucid, fully conscious and extraordinarily serene", they do admit that the Holy Father?s condition has worsened.

However the Pontiff has decided not to return to hospital in Rome and instead is staying inside the Vatican City, the Pope appears to have made his peace with God and is preparing to pass on as reflected by Irish Bishop John Magee the Pontiff's former Private Secretary.

[quote]?The fact he has not gone back (to the hospital) shows he is serenely carrying the cross and ready to give up and to say, ?It is finished??[/quote]

These words are also echoed by Dr Navarro-Valls who has stated:

[quote]?This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years?[/quote]

The Pope has been granted the Sacrament of the Sick and the Dying, previously known as The Last Rites, it is believed that the Holy Father?s condition is very grave and these are his last days.

As a Roman Catholic I have already been to Church today in order to give my prayers to God in the hope that if the Pope is to pass on that he shall have a death as he had a life, peaceful, noble and dignified. Pope John Paul II has been the great Pope of the 20th and 21st centuries, and may he know the love of Christ as he knew the love of billions of people across the globe. [/SIZE]

[Justin]

Though, I'm not Catholic. I am a fan of Pope JP2. He's as Christian as they come, and it's good to know he's going to be with Christ.

-Justin

[Annie]

[color=#404142]It is sad to see, but he's well into his 80's. I was surprised how his condition escelated, I'll say that. But what can you expect? He's a really old man, and has lived a dedicated life to his Lord. I just hope he goes in peace.[/color]

[Guest Heezay]

Who cares, they'll just give some new guy his job. Maybe I could get it....

[Doukeshi]

[COLOR=DimGray][SIZE=1]I believe that his passing is a good, if slightly overdue, thing. He has worked so hard over many many years and even severely sick he has managed to keep his head aloft. I hope his death is peaceful and painless. [/SIZE] [/COLOR]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I'm not a 'believer', yet I admire the Pope. He is truly a crusader for life. His tenacity and willpower will be remembered. He was truly a "Pope of the people".[/size]

[Missa]

Well, what can you say, really? It's very sad, and the world will miss him. (Even us non-believers...) While I do not consider myself to be a Christian, I do believe in God and in Heaven. I believe that the pope will soon be in a better place, free from suffering...

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]Catholic that I am, I've been following the story since 3:30 P.M. EST yesterday. Some dumb--- at school said he was dead - I checked MSN.com and CNN.com and he was still living, but I've really been following it, since.

It's about 7:15 and some odd minutes in the vatican as I type this at 12:15 EST. I just heard an MSNBC report that he appears better than last night when it really seemed like he could go at any moment, and we were all waiting for that statement from the vatican for hours, so who knows how long he will last?

This is a urinary infection. An infection which means that there is an insanely small chance that he can get better if given the proper antibiotics. I heard there are a couple doctors in his residency, so who knows what's going on - bloody vatican and their secrecy. =/

It's almost tantalizing, because now there are some saying he's feeling better - giving hope where there shouldn't be any. The Pope was supposed to die over 10 hours ago, and here he is, clinging to life. What a surprise/miracle he's still living.

Breaking news --- the press staff in the Vatican just freaking left, and aren't due back until an hour and a half from now. I guess he's not feeling as bad as last night.

I personally think of Pope John Paul II as a great man. I do not agree with many of his pro-life choices (I'm pretty liberal), but I respect his consistency and his perseverance, and setting an example for the church in his descisions.

He's, of course, Polish - and the first Polish Pope ever. He secretly studied theology during the reign of the Nazi's, fought against the Russian Communists (the assasination attempt was attempted by someone hired by the Communists, I believe), and met with many people, including the leaders of Israel and Yassir Arafat. He pushed for peace in the region - on both sides.

Something rather trivial that I found as proof of his good nature: When he was little in Poland, the neighborhood kids always played games after school and such. The teams were always divided into the Christians and the Jewish. There were never enough kids on the Jewish team, and the pope would always volunteer to play on their team to make the teams more even.

Heh. I do feel sorry for him - dying infront of the whole world like this. I hope he suffers little, and is greeted by the Almighty & Jesus, in heaven.[/color]

[Sol-Blade]

[COLOR=DarkRed]Yes, while I too am not as outworldly pious as many others are, I do feel for the Pope at this time. He was a great man, who has done alot not just for the Roman Catholics, but for the entire world. As evident in his history of his life, he was truly a man who has touched millions...if not billions of people. He is the most acknowledged human being in the entire world, he has been seen by literally everyone. His body is fragile, but his will is strong and it flows throughout the world.

I remember, hearing that shortly after the Pope was shot (The days after the assassination attempt), he went and faced the man who tried to kill him, and he forgave him. He said, and I don't know the exact words so don't get all giddy over it, he said something along the lines of "I will forgive you, and love you the way Jesus meant me too."

When he does pass away, and sadly he will...I'll remember him.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[quote name='Heezay']Who cares, they'll just give some new guy his job. Maybe I could get it....[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Heezay I find that to very offensive, and I hope it was a joke in bad taste rather than a genuine statement. The Pontiff has done more for world peace and Middle East peace over the last 26 years than most governments have in the last 50, he has been a truly great man to foster peace and relations in places where it would seem nearly impossible. To say that "some new guy" will just get his job or indeed that it might be you is the height of disrespect towards the man.

I've just come back from watching SkyNews and it appears that the Pope is beginning to fall in and out of consciousness. I have to admit that Mistress Roxie's comments gave me a small glimmer of hope that the Holy Father might survive this, and if so it will truly have been a miracle. If he however does die in the next few days I'd like to thank everyone here who isn't Catholic for your kind works towards the Pope. [/SIZE]

[Delta]

[COLOR=#FF5646][SIZE=1]Hey, didn't he just say days ago that he would want to be kept on life support if he ever lapses into a, um, Schiavo?

He's really open to the media and is very hands-on; quite unlike the popes you read about in history books. I guess you could say that he is a "fun" pope. Anyways, he still is a great guy. Still keeping my fingers crossed!

Rah! Rah! Go JP2![/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Minako]

I'm not a catholic, but I feel for the pope. He's a really good guy, and his death would be release from the painful illness-filled life he's had these past few years. I looked at our local newspaper's website and it sounded like he could go any minute now. As I said, it would be a release from this horrible world we live in, and he will be with his Lord and Savior again.

My prayers are going out to him.

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]It is my sad duty to announce that the Holy Father John Paul II, previously Cardinal Karol Wojtyla of Poland has died at 8:37 PM [GMT] this evening in the Vatican at the age of 84. I was coming home from Mass when I heard the news on the radio, this is both a sad and a happy ocassion, and although we have lost our Holy Father, we take solice in the knowledge that he is with God.

The Holy Father will be a man remembered for his tremendous courage, his unfliching didication to spreading peace, he has been described as a great Christian, I believe he was more than that, I believe he was a great man. The following are some of the thoughts of people who knew and met with the Pontiff over the course of his life.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Dalil Boubakeur, Muslim leader in France']He was a man of peace[/quote]
[quote name='Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O?Connor']Catholics, fellow Christians, ... will be praying for him at this time as he comes toward the end of his extraordinary and wonderful life[/quote]

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[B]Pope John Paul II, 1920-2005[/B][/SIZE][/CENTER]

[Guest Heezay]

Perhaps the [B]POPE[/B] died from smoking too much [B]DOPE[/B]? Or maybe he hung himself from a [B]ROPE[/B], wait, [B]NOPE[/B]! Maybe he ate a bar of [B]SOAP[/B]!

[GrafX]

Heezay, have you ever heard of the saying, 'If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?'
That was very uncalled for. I'm not Catholic, but I am Christian. And I ask you to please stop it.
The Pope was an great person. And it's a great shame that he's gone. But think, he's in a better place now. No more pain or suffereing.
I hope the people can pull through. I'm sure we can. Just keep faith and be strong. ^^

[Kitty]

[quote name='Heezay]Perhaps the [B]POPE[/B] died from smoking too much [B]DOPE[/B]? Or maybe he hung himself from a [B]ROPE[/B], wait, [B]NOPE[/B]! Maybe he ate a bar of [B]SOAP[/B']![/quote]
[color=blue][size=1]What a rude thing to say. I'm not religious, and I'm certainly not Catholic, but I don't go around bashing people who are important to others' faiths. If you're going to be an ***, do it somewhere else.

Now, onto the topic..

The Pope, who had been fighting for his life for the past several weeks, has finally died. What are the Catholics to do? Most will go to Mass, as Gavin said he would do, and others will mourn the loss at home. I don't plan to do anything (remember, I'm an athiest), but if my Grandmother, who is indeed religious, wishes for us to go to Church tomorrow, I will in honor of him. The Pope was a man of faith, and there is nothing wrong with that. I wish his family luck, and I (surprisingly) await his successor.[/size][/color]

[Onix]

[quote name='Heezay]Perhaps the [B]POPE[/B] died from smoking too much [B]DOPE[/B]? Or maybe he hung himself from a [B]ROPE[/B], wait, [B]NOPE[/B]! Maybe he ate a bar of [B]SOAP[/B']![/quote]

[COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1]Not cool, man. Not ******* cool. I am not a catholic. I am not a Christian. I am not in any way tied to the Pope through religion. But I consider myself, on the whole, I decent human being. And the Pope was one of the most decent human beings ever to walk this desolate little rock. So show some ******* respect or just shut the hell up.

The Pope was a great man. I did not agree with everything he said, I did not follow all of his teachings, but I respect him for his tenacity, his strength, and his compassion for humanity - three things the world is sorely lacking. For this, I mourn his passing into whatever world lies beyond. May he find solace amongst those few that can be called virtuous souls.

-ULX[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]How sad. I can't believe he's dead. I mean, I've been following this story extensively, but I was so shocked when I found out he had passed away.

He was a great man, and he is with God now. Amen.

Edit: Forgot to mention, today is my mom's birthday. She considers it an honour to share her birthday with the day the Pope died, since he was such a holy man.[/color]

[Skye]

[size=1]I, myself, am not a Christian, but the Pope's death did strike me numb. He was a man of faith, a true one, not one who goes about saying he loves God only to get profit. I respect a man like the Pope, and I hope his soul goes safely to the afterlife, to its next body, to Heaven, to the Summerlands, or wherever souls go when someone dies. He certainly deserves to go to Heaven if there is one.

Gods Bless, John Paul II.

Pae[/size]

[Annie]

[quote name='Heezay]Perhaps the [B]POPE[/B] died from smoking too much [B]DOPE[/B]? Or maybe he hung himself from a [B]ROPE[/B], wait, [B]NOPE[/B]! Maybe he ate a bar of [B]SOAP[/B']![/quote]

[color=#404142]What the hell is wrong with you? That was not funny in any way, shape, or form. I don't consider myself too religious, but that was uncalled for. Have some respect, and some descency; that man has done more for people than you can possibly fathom.

May his soul rest in peace after years of battling several illnesses.

[b]Edit[/b]- Oh, he's been banned..[/color]

[Tigervx]

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Teal] Good thing he's banned, thats probably the most horrible message I've ever seen on this forum, ever.

The John Paul II was one of the greatest popes we've ever known. I remeber hearing a story how when he was nearly assassinated, once he recovered he went to jail and forgave his assassin for his sin. Such a man of patience and forgiveness is something we don't see too often in our word of modern tools and computers. This story just sent a message to me, and I'll probably never forget this man for his courage and faith.

He also did many reforms in the churches, and reached out to the new generation which may be drifting away from reilgion and many of my friends are actually very sad today that the pope has died, he was the pope we grew up and knew and its truely sad this happened.

His death has resorted my faith in ways, as I now question my own faith and am beginning to think of my life over again. We just have to think what kinda of Pope will we get next? Lets just hope we get a Pope that will be 1/3 the pope John Paul II was.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Zidargh]

Well it's reassuring to know immaturity still walks on this Earth. The world is normal once more. o_0

Regardless of him being banned;

[b]Heezay[/b], take it [b]eazay[/b], ya' smellin' [b]cheezay[/b] dawg, makin' me [b]queazay[/b]. The [b] Pope[/b] will definitely be taking that [b]soap[/b] of yours, and will be shoving it down your, um... [b]throap[/b]? In the afterlife.

- A prime example of why my budding Hip Hop career will never take off.

Onto the topic, and not to say anything repetitive of others.

God bless. All your faith will pay off, and you'll finally have the evidence of if a real God exists.

It's sad, but despite the power or influence people hold over others, death is definitely a wake up call to let us know we are all mortal.

It's strange, the last news I heard was that he was just progressively falling into unconsciousness. I haven't been very up to date mind you.

[Gelgoog Pilot]

Yes he passed away at 2:11 today...errr my time that is...I don't see why everyone is saying they are surprised...Paul was old, and very sick, we all know death is just an inevitability. He was a great man, and he lived out his duties. Now we (Christian community) can only hope for another revolutionary pope as John Paul II.

[Retribution]

[SIZE=1]Like everyone and their mama has already said, I'm not Catholic, but I am Christian. His death, however, didn't really arouse any emotion. I kind of nodded slowly at my dad when he told me he had died while I was on the plane.

I knew he was deathly ill, and that he was going to die pretty soon, so his death wasn't really too surprising. I do [kinda] feel for him, since his mother died when he was young, his father died when he was 20, and then he lived throug Hitler and Stalin. What a nightmare... He was a very strong person, but not very prominent in my life.[/SIZE]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]We all knew he was going to die sometime in the past 24 hours. I'm not really sure why everyone is 'shocked' ~_^

But yes, it is very sad. He fought for a lot of causes, and had a massive effect on the world...even outside of religious factors. Mikael Gorbachev even credited him with helping to fell Communism [I think...]. So yes, it is a great loss. [/size]