Necronomicon

[sinna]

I was wondering whether anyone here has read the Necronomicon? If you've read it, what did you think, and did you beileve any of it? For those who don't know what it is it's supposed to be the book of the dead written in the eighth century A.D. by an arab named Abdul Alhazred. Thats about all I know of it, and if I'm wrong on some point would somebody please correct me?

[elfpirate]

[b]I've read it, and to tell you the truth, it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. There are a lot of pictures and incantations, but not a lot of explanation.[/b]

[b]I could be wrong, tho, cuz it's been about a decade since I last read it.:animeswea [/b]

[Lunai]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkorchid]The Necronomicon is a fictional book that author H.P. Lovecraft spoke about so much in his books, people actually thought it was real:[/color]

[quote]Frequently, Lovecraft made reference to ancient, mouldering tomes that contained secrets man was not meant to know. Most of these were fictional, but a few of them were ?legitimate? occult works. By mentioning factual and fictional documents in the same context, this helped to make the false books seem real. Lovecraft made only brief mentions of these books, primarily to add atmosphere, and rarely described them in any detail. The best-known of these fictional manuscripts is his Necronomicon, about which he said the most. So well-constructed was his information on this fabled text (helped along by modern-day hoaxers bent on making a profit from the ignorance of others) that people to this day believe this book to be real.[/quote]

[quote]The first appearance of the Necronomicon was in Lovecraft?s ?The Hound? (September 1922), although Abdul Alhazred, the book?s author, was mentioned earlier in ?The Nameless City? (January 1921). It was in this latter tale that the best-known quote from The Necronomicon first appeared:

That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.[/quote]

[color=darkorchid]Source: [url]http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/tomes.htm[/url][/font][/color]

[Dragonboym2]

[COLOR=Blue]I've heard of it. Wrapped in human flesh. Inked in blood. It was filled with bizzare burial rights, and demon resusertion rituals. I think it was destroyed. Remember, if you find it, speak the words. "Klatu, varrata nickto." Don't forget.

"KAMEHAMEHA!"

Dragonboym2[/COLOR]

[elfpirate]

[b]lol-- There [i]actually is[/i] a book called Necronomicon. [/b]

[b]I used to draw the incantations all the time and randomly use parts of the (text) incantations in my notes and letters as a joke. [/b]

[b]Clatu verata... neefjkbnjh... ha ha...[/b]

[Lunai]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkorchid]Oh, I'm not saying that there isn't a book called The Necronomicon, that was published at some point in the 20th century, I'm just informing everyone of the origins.[/font][/color]

[Dirt]

[b][color=darkgreen]I, like elfpirate, have read the Necronomicon. I don't know who published it or when, but it [i]is[/i] a translated text and is supposed to be what it's described as.[/color][/b]
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[b][color=#006400]Just for the record-- nothing in it really works. I tried to do the incantations and things, but they simply didn't work--what a disappointment.:( [/color][/b]
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[b][color=#006400]I still think it's a rather interesting wee book, however, and I do recommend giving it a read, if you're into that sort of thing.[/color][/b]

[Gelgoog Pilot]

I own the damn thing....Its somewhere deep within my attic right now...I'd most definelty quote some finner points out of it...however...I'm lazy...The book sort of reminds me of the chaos theary...I don't know why though... :animestun

You folks should buy it...it was only like $30.00 or something like that...

[Semjaza]

[quote name='Lunai][font=trebuchet ms][color=darkorchid]Oh, I'm not saying that there isn't a book called The Necronomicon, that was published at some point in the 20th century, I'm just informing everyone of the origins.[/font'][/color][/quote]

This is an important point to quote because, as mentioned, a lot of people seem to think this book is a real, historic piece of work. It simply isn't it. It's hilarious that people think it actually was uncovered after centuries or god knows what else.

There's more than one version of it, each pretending to be a different "translation" of the actual book in some sense. They're all fiction, every last one of them, regardless of how well researched they can be. Believing these to be true is like believing the events in Dinotopia actually happened. They're presented as factual, yet they're anything but.

Anyway, I've not read the different versions. Some of them are more of a journal type things, some aren't. They're all based on Lovecraft's ideas in some way. Some are pretty decent.

[Lunai]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkorchid]That is the point I was attempting to make...although I think you did a much better job of it, Generic NPC#3.[/font][/color]

[Dirt]

[QUOTE=Generic NPC #3]This is an important point to quote because, as mentioned, a lot of people seem to think this book is a real, historic piece of work. It simply isn't it. It's hilarious that people think it actually was uncovered after centuries or god knows what else.

There's more than one version of it, each pretending to be a different "translation" of the actual book in some sense. They're all fiction, every last one of them, regardless of how well researched they can be. Believing these to be true is like believing the events in Dinotopia actually happened. They're presented as factual, yet they're anything but.
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[b]heh- I thought we all were under the assumption that they were "fake" or whatever.[/b]

[b]i guess i would think that even an "original" version would still be a bunch of crap... there just can't be a genuine "book of the dead".[/b]

[b]if there were, someone would have used the incantations to raise the dead, and everyone would have heard of it, so there simply can't be one-- from any country or from ant time period.[/b]

[b]What "research" are you referring to, Generic? What kind of research would be done for something such as that? Like mine--lol--actually attempting the so-called incantations?[/b]

[Lunai]

[quote name='Dirt][b][color=darkgreen]I, like elfpirate, have read the Necronomicon. I don't know who published it or when, but it [i]is[/i] a translated text and is supposed to be what it's described as.[/color'][/b][/quote]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkorchid]If you were under the assumption that the Necronomicon is fake, then why did you say this?[/font][/color]

[Semjaza]

When I write something and say "a lot of people" I don't think strictly within the forum anyway. I'm thinking here and the rest of the world. A lot of people do think the book is real in some way.

Anyway, in terms of research, there's the obvious ties to Lovecraft's own work that have been heavily paid attention to. Cthulu has been detailed so much over the years since and including the time of Lovecraft himself that there's practically as many stories about it as there are for real myths. Keeing up with that isn't easy and it was already well done enough that it was halfway believable as it was.

Plus, anyone that wants to write decent things about the occult, myths or whatever else needs to research things. Just because things aren't factual doesn't mean they aren't based on other things from the past that originally were taken as such by some person or group of people.

As for the magic not working, I don't know. I don't think that's the single most reason why people aren't like "whoa the necronomicon!" (disregarding the fact that it is fiction to begin with). There's lots of books that some people still claim have magical properties, but when's the last time any of us honestly saw them work? I refuse to believe some internet-made wiccan is conjuring up elementals lol. The point is that there are plenty of historical books that were taken as fact at one time or another that actually do attempt to talk about some of these things, so I don't think that alone would convince anyone it isn't true. This one just happens to be a completely fabricated story lol.

Either way, as I said, there are several of these books. I have no idea which ones the people here have read, so I can't really comment much because I don't know what is in every last one of them. Some are worse than others and some make less sense.

[Dragonboym2]

[COLOR=Blue]You did say the words, right? Or you would unleash a great terrible evil.

"Did you say the words correctly this time?"
"Not excatly every little sylablie, buy yeah, I said 'em."

Now say them with me:
Klatu, varrata, ni...uh..necktie! Nugget! Nectrine! A n word. Definetly an n word. Umm.. Klatu, varrata, ni(cough, Cough.).

"KAMEHAMEHA!"

Dragonboym2[/COLOR]

[Gelgoog Pilot]

[QUOTE=Generic NPC #3]

There's more than one version of it, each pretending to be a different "translation" of the actual book in some sense. They're all fiction, every last one of them, regardless of how well researched they can be. Believing these to be true is like believing the events in Dinotopia actually happened. They're presented as factual, yet they're anything but.
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Now I don't want this to blow up into a heated arguement but I feel I need to get this off my chest...Technically...they way you put it the bible, Korhan, and Tora, can be stated as the same as the necronomicon. Aside from the fact that we know who thought up the necronomicon. All are different interpritations of the supposed book called the Old testement. I having fallen out of the ranks of christianity tend to think these religious books are also...well fabricated. I can only guess as to why someone would do it...respect form others or power over others...humans are pretty power hungry.

Hmmm there was another supposed demonic book out there. Apparently written by an acolyte of the devil.. Also there is that odd story of a monk in midevil times becomming possesed by a demon and forced to write some odd book . This I believe was actually supported by the church for sometime (catholics I believe) I think he murdered anothe rmon who found him out...ran with his book and started some cult...I beleive he was later burned. Give me some time and I'll recall the Monks name as well as the books.

I know there is no 'real' Necronomicon...I own some fictional version of it mostly because I loved Army of Darkness so much....Lol But also because it was pretty interesting to read...

[SunfallE]

[QUOTE=Gelgoog Pilot]Now I don't want this to blow up into a heated arguement but I feel I need to get this off my chest...Technically...they way you put it the bible, Korhan, and Tora, can be stated as the same as the necronomicon. Aside from the fact that we know who thought up the necronomicon. All are different interpritations of the supposed book called the Old testement. I having fallen out of the ranks of christianity tend to think these religious books are also...well fabricated. I can only guess as to why someone would do it...respect form others or power over others...humans are pretty power hungry.
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Well you wont get any argument from me over that particular statement. Ironically I just finished reading a book called: "An Insider's View Of Mormon Origins, by Grant H. Palmer" As he says on the back of the book: [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]He finds that much of what we take for granted as literal history has been tailored over the years--slightly modified, added to, one aspect emphasized over another--to the point that the original narratives have been nearly lost.[/COLOR]

Basically in his book he points out how historical documents show that The Book of Mormon, which was supposedly translated by Joseph Smith who, was the prophet of the church at that time, was in fact fabricated. It's defiantly an interesting book to read.

I've heard before about how the validness of such documents like the Bible, Korhan, and Tora, are in question by some. Now I have to get a copy of the necronomicon as this thread has got my curiosity going about it. :animesmil

[Semjaza]

[quote name='Gelgoog Pilot']Now I don't want this to blow up into a heated arguement but I feel I need to get this off my chest...Technically...they way you put it the bible, Korhan, and Tora, can be stated as the same as the necronomicon. Aside from the fact that we know who thought up the necronomicon. All are different interpritations of the supposed book called the Old testement. I having fallen out of the ranks of christianity tend to think these religious books are also...well fabricated. I can only guess as to why someone would do it...respect form others or power over others...humans are pretty power hungry.[/quote]

All I can say is [I]"What in the world are you talking about?"[/I] What I said was in relation to the [B]Necronomicon[/B]. I mentioned Dinotopia because the writer claims at the beginning for it to be factual when it's just fiction. Same as Tarzan.

The Necronomicon was [I]never [/I]mentioned before Lovecraft worked it into his [I]fictional [/I]stories. Books that exist now that claim to be the book he is referring to are simply tributes to Lovecraft's original fiction. The writers know that and anyone that reads them should know that.

There is no Necronomicon to translate, that's the point. There is no [i]original[/i] text. That automatically rules out most religious translations in the first place which are real, historical translations based on real, existing texts. It doesn't matter what I believe in or what anyone believes in or how true they feel those religious texts are; the idea for the Necronomicon is pulled out of nothing but the brain of a horror fiction writer.

I get your point here and on a basic level I agree, but I think that using something like this is rather extreme and a bad comparison. Comparing it to the "truth" of religious texts makes little sense.

[Gelgoog Pilot]

I'm sorry NPC if it sounded as if I was comparing it to the fictional Necronomicon....I really wasn't. What I meant was that the idea of the bible being fictional...it doesn't matter if there was an original copy the fact remains that it's still disputed to be fiction. Also...I'm not sure the Old testement can be considered original in common respects...It was a culmination of stories and folk lore and ideas. It didn't have a single author just possibly a group of people who pasted it all together.

[sinna]

I'm actaully surprised that so many people on the ob have read this book. I'd have to agree with the people who said they thought it's not non-fiction. The only reason for this is that the book seems more like a fanasy book than anything that could be real. Not to mention that the writing style changed a little ways into [I]the Testimony of the Mad Arab[/I] .

[Dragon Warrior]

You can hear and see the Necronomicon in the movie series [b]Evil Dead[/b], which plays a dominant role of releasing demons onto the cast of heroes. It makes those movies so much more interesting, in my opinion. S'posedly inked in blood and bound in human flesh, eh? Sounds charming, doesn't it?

But I have not read the book (and if what everyone is saying in this topic is true, I probably won't anyways).

EDIT: It's also called the Necronomicon Ex Mortis, as I'm sure some of you knew. Funny how across the internet there are sites trying to sell Necronomicons. Hehe, I enjoyed one ad I saw: "Raise the dead for fun and fortune!"

[img]http://img131.exs.cx/img131/8930/dwwashere9rz.gif[/img]

[Xander Harris]

[quote name='sinna']I'm actaully surprised that so many people on the ob have read this book.[/quote]

No, they haven't read this book, because IT DOESN"T EXIST! What there is to read are fan made works that are all different from each other. Some are just the same Arabic text repeated over and over, because they figure no one is going to bother reading past the first few pages. Saying you have read the Necronomicon is like reading a fan fic called Star Wars: Episode 7: Leia Gets a Mohawk and saying you have read Lucas's script for a Star Wars sequel.

[Gelgoog Pilot]

[quote name='Xander Harris']No, they haven't read this book, because IT DOESN"T EXIST! What there is to read are fan made works that are all different from each other. Some are just the same Arabic text repeated over and over, because they figure no one is going to bother reading past the first few pages. Saying you have read the Necronomicon is like reading a fan fic called Star Wars: Episode 7: Leia Gets a Mohawk and saying you have read Lucas's script for a Star Wars sequel.[/quote]
UGH! The fan made books are still called the Necronomicon...what it means is that there was no REAL one...trust me...my book is called the necronomicon...I know its just a fiction book but it still has the name...so we have read the necronomicon because it exists as fiction... :animeangr

And whether or not the other version repeat themselves for 40 pages or not...the actually reading can still be accomplished...besides that I doubt may people are going to buy a book they can read or hasn't been translated into a readable form.

[Xander Harris]

[quote name='Gelgoog Pilot']UGH! The fan made books are still called the Necronomicon...what it means is that there was no REAL one...trust me...my book is called the necronomicon...I know its just a fiction book but it still has the name...so we have read the necronomicon because it exists as fiction... :animeangr[/quote]

No. You read [I]A[/I] Necronomicon, not THE Necronomicon. Go here. [url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-3490448-3537467[/url]
Look at all the different books that are "The Necronomicon." All works of fiction, by different authors. If you claim to have read "The Necronomicon", you should specify which 'Necronomicon' you speak of. One book entitled 'The Necronomicon' is an encyclopedia of horror. One book which is THE 'Official' fictional Necronomicon simply does not exist. People can say they have read A Necronomicon, but not THE Necronomicon. EDIT: Since some books are entitled "The Necronomicon" one could perhaps say they have read "The Necronomicon" in reference to the title, not the content. Like I said above, one should then specify which of the myriad of books labeled 'The Necronomicon' of which they are speaking.

[quote name='Gelgoog Pilot']And whether or not the other version repeat themselves for 40 pages or not...the actually reading can still be accomplished...besides that I doubt may people are going to buy a book they can read or hasn't been translated into a readable form.[/quote]

There's a sucker born every minute...

[PWNED]

An yes, Necronomicon Ex Mortis, Roughly Translated to the book of the dead. Bloody Charming when it is shown in Evil Dead huh; Like Dragon Warrior stated even if there might not be one it is fun to imagine that it is real. All Copies that exist these days are fakes and even if there ever were such a book It would've been burnt hor Heretical Beliefs.

[Iron_Inuyasha]

Hmm...where would i be able to find this book...?