Gasoline; an interesting idea, please read.

[Ryuujin]

I recieved this email today, and it seemed like a note worthy email, I thought I would post it here on the boards, so it could reach a greater amount of people in a shorter ammount of time.

Before I post it; we all have out thoughts and opinions and thats great. I for one am going to do what this email suggests. Hopefully you will too.

Please consider the impact this may have, its not asking for much.

I uploaded the email:
[URL=http://members.cox.net/roninryuujin/Gasoline.htm]Imported Gasoline[/URL]

And here is a quote:
[QUOTE]Interesting factor--especially that today it hit
$55 a barrel and they are talking about 70 to 80 dollars this year.

PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, THANKS

WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

READ ON--

The Saudis are boycotting American goods.

We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil:

[B]Shell............................. 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels[/B]
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Citgo.......................0 barrels
Sunoco...................0 barrels
Conoco...................0 barrels
Sinclair.....................0 barrels
BP/Phillips..............0 barrels
Hess........................0 barrels
ARCO......................0 barrels

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.

It's really simple to do.

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people.

If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers![/QUOTE]

Regards,
Ryuujin

[Lunai]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkgoldenrod]I'm sure that I would have a stronger opinion concerning this if I actually [i]drove[/i] or owned a car (I get around by bus & [URL=http://www.bart.gov]BART[/URL]) but to be perfectly honest I am pretty sure that the really high gas prices across the nation currently are going to push people to purchase gasoline from whomever is the closest & cheapest in their area.

It doesn't do folks much good if the nearest ARCO is 40 miles away.[/font][/color]

[Ryuujin]

Well, yea. It Would be absurd to do anything extreme like that. In most cases though, the choice is maybe a block out of your way; perhaps even across a realitively busy street, in which case it wouldn't be much to go to the non-import gas station.
I have already thought of the nearest gas station that does not import gas, and it is not out of my way at all. I plan on going there to buy gas for however long it takes.
Thanks for your response.

Regards,
Ryuujin

[Kamuro]

I read the e-mail and it failed to mention the prices of gas at each of the mentioned gas stations, I could really care less where its from, its become so expensive I don't care if dying children in Africa made it, as long as its cheap lol, I'm all for boycotting those who do the same to us, but not at an extra cost to myself

[SunfallE]

Okay, the e-mail says this information is available at the department of energy, so how do we verify that this information is correct? I personally have no problem with who I buy my gas from but I would hate to find out later that it really was imported.

Truthfully I hardly buy any gas as I am a truck driver and the company I work for pays for the diesel fuel. I have no choice over where it's bought from as they schedule when and where I fill up. As for my own car, well, since I mostly drive a semi I proably only put gas in my car about once a month.

[Final Remix]

[color=blue][font=comic sans ms]'95 Buick LeSabre which, at one time, had a decimated cooling system that went through gas, coolant, AND water every week. It's fixed now, and i only gas up when the light's been on for 21.5 miles (yeah, i'm obsessive). I'm in NJ, and the price has already hit $2.05/99 for regular unleaded. It's getting to be so bad, I'm actually considering driving the extra hour for "Mike's Auto Shop" gas....which is still under 2 bucks. It'll mostly be water or something, but it's better than shelling out a solid 15% of a paycheck each time.[/color][/font]

[Corey]

[size=1]You think you Jersy folk have it bad?
Over here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin gas is a minimum of about $2.35 a gallon.

This is why I don't have a car. To fill up a fifteen gallon tank it'd be about $35.
Screw that.

No offence to all you patriotic people out there, but as long as gas is as expensive as it is, I couldn't care less if it was being packaged by American POWs as long as it's a little cheaper.[/size]

[Kamuro]

gas is about $2.30 here (maryland), and agreed, its outrageous, I have lots of places to go, and I'm always driving/being driven and paying for gas is one of the biggest money problems I have, I'm only 16, and money is hard to come by, so spending so much on gas is really iritating

[Lady Asphyxia]

[font=Arial Narrow][size=2]Oh, boo frickety hoo. You guys are so spoilt, it's ridiculous. We're paying 89 cents per [color=Red]litre[color=Black] in Queensland, and I'm pretty sure that New South Wales is generally about 10 cents more expensive. England is paying 79-85 pence per litre, and has been as high as 99 pence per litre. 1 gallon=4.546 litres, and 1 quid equals about 1.87 US dollars. Using those rates, fuel prices are something close to the following:


1 gallon in England= .79x1.87x4.[/color][/color]546 = [color=Red]6.72[/color] [color=Red]US dollars[/color].
1 gallon in English currency= .79x4.546 = 3.59 pence.

I think that says quite a bit, don't you?

And quite frankly, I don't think boycotting Saudi based fuel will lower American fuel prices. It [color=Magenta]may[color=Black] lower other countries' prices; if the cheap fuel isn't going to America, then it's free to go to the other countries, in theory. I'm not exactly a professor regarding fuel, but I don't see how boycotting it will bring it down, lol.

I think when it comes down to it, this'll be a matter of principle versus practicality.
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[Ryuujin]

[QUOTE=Lady Asphyxia][font=Arial Narrow][size=2]Oh, boo frickety hoo. You guys are so spoilt, it's ridiculous. We're paying 89 cents per [color=Red]litre[color=Black] in Queensland, and I'm pretty sure that New South Wales is generally about 10 cents more expensive. England is paying 79-85 pence per litre, and has been as high as 99 pence per litre. 1 gallon=4.546 litres, and 1 quid equals about 1.87 US dollars. Using those rates, fuel prices are something close to the following:


1 gallon in England= .79x1.87x4.[/color][/color]546 = [color=Red]6.72[/color] [color=Red]US dollars[/color].
1 gallon in English currency= .79x4.546 = 3.59 pence.

I think that says quite a bit, don't you?

And quite frankly, I don't think boycotting Saudi based fuel will lower American fuel prices. It [color=Magenta]may[color=Black] lower other countries' prices; if the cheap fuel isn't going to America, then it's free to go to the other countries, in theory. I'm not exactly a professor regarding fuel, but I don't see how boycotting it will bring it down, lol.

I think when it comes down to it, this'll be a matter of principle versus practicality.
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I honestly feel sorry for you. Really I do.

At first, I didn't think the boycot was to lower prices, but just to return the favor; but now that I think about it more indepth: If no one is buying your products, you lower the prices to increase business, right? So perhaps it might go down, perhaps not.

Another Solution:
If we want gasoline prices to be low; we need to drill in Alaska and the Artics, heh. I don't see how a few drills and a really long pipe is going to have a "deadly effect on the enviroment" in those areas. Not like much lives in Antarctica anyway. Heck, we have penguins at Seaworld!

[DBZgirl88]

[COLOR=#004a6f][quote name='Ryuujin']The Saudis are boycotting American goods.[/quote]I'm not sure, but I think it's because many American companies support israel's economy, and you know how most arabic countries don't like Israel, and with good reason. Saudi only boycotts companies that support Israel. Check out [url]http://www.boycottisrael.org/[/url] for the list of companies.

[QUOTE]Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty generic assumtion don't you think? I don't think the general Saudi population wants to kill you and your family. The Saudi government is on pretty good terms with the U.S. Sure, there are terrorists groups within the country who attack foreign workers and even Saudi citizens, but the Saudi government is trying to stop that. Therefore, boycotting their oil won't really solve anything. Besides, oil brought from Saudi was pretty cheap before the war on Iraq.

I just don't undestand why you'd boycott and arab country that you're on good terms with. It doesn't make sense. You have a reason to mistrust other Arab countries, like Iraq (when it was under Saddam's rule), or Syria, but why Saudi?[/COLOR]

[eleanor]

[color=darkslateblue] Holy monkies. :/ I thought Georgia was bad...most of the time our gas prices are 1.05/gallon. My mom told me once while we were driving that Georgia was sometimes 80 cents/gallon, and I flipped. [/color]

[i]Another Solution:
If we want gasoline prices to be low; we need to drill in Alaska and the Artics, heh. I don't see how a few drills and a really long pipe is going to have a "deadly effect on the enviroment" in those areas. Not like much lives in Antarctica anyway. Heck, we have penguins at Seaworld![/i]

[color=darkslateblue] If you're talking about that nation refuge thing in Alaska...I think the Senate rejected the Democrats' attempt to stop the drilling, so the drilling in Alaska is on. I personally think it was a last resort, and that if we're going to have to open up a oil pipe line in a Nation Refuge, we should also be making some sort of effort to increase use of other energy sources. [/color]

[Oceanborn]

[quote]Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.[/quote]
Lol, it's stupid. Theyre killin you, your family, your friends - you're killing them, their family, their friends XD. It's natural balance. Of course, a bit dilemmic is that if, for example, the US stops any kinds of hostility towarsd the terrorists, the terrorist won't stop, err, terrorizing ppl, yet when the US launches massive wars vs the terrorists, mot t-sts appear, seeking revenge-or-something. [yawns] Guess I'll beter go practice my kendo ;p

[Kamuro]

[QUOTE]Oh, boo frickety hoo. You guys are so spoilt, it's ridiculous[/QUOTE] well, childish much? anyway, considering your not from here guess I'll excuse the comment, but 2.30 and up is a high price for gas here, maybe its low for someone from another country, but each country has its own standards, and that is a lot of U.S. gas

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]Oil makes the Middle East important. Without it I'm not really sure that I, as a human, would care about the dealings of eccentric cultures in a desert/arid setting. But, of course, that would make me an apathetic person to the difficulties of a set group of people. How horrid.

Logically, boycotting Saudi Arabia won't do anything positive. They aren't trying to kill 'us', they are being attacked by terrorists themselves. The actions of a few don't reflect on the majority- e.g. not all Muslims are terrorists. What is funny is that if you reverse that, the actions of American companies 'supporting' Israel shouldn't be used as a reason to potentially boycott the U.S. since, well- the actions of a few don't reflect the majority, right? Oh well. I'm not well versed on who is supporting Israel or whatever so I guess I can't talk. If a nation soundly kicked my *** in several wars I'd be irritated at them too. Err, rather- what I meant to say was that I uh.. understand their aggravation. Yeah.

Gas prices in Texas are reasonable still since, well, we're a gas state. They are higher than normal but in comparison to places like California or New York we are considerably lower, as always. It's unfortunate that we rely on such a resource so heavily but we can look to the future with hope that an alternative fuel source will arise that will relieve us [even slightly] of these sorts of dealings.

It's hard being a spoiled person living in a superpower. *sighs* It ain't like it used to be. *reminisces*[/color]

[Havokio]

[COLOR=Indigo]Here's the problem with this situation.

No matter how high the prices go up, PEOPLE WILL BUY. Gas prices are going up everywhere. Bargains are unheard of...

THIS SHOWS CORRUPTION!

Why? Simple cause gas is an NEEDED resource, rather than a luxury. If air was bagged and sold, poeple would'nt want to buy it... they would HAVE TO.

It's the same with gasoline.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Lady Asphyxia][font=Arial Narrow][size=2]Oh, boo frickety hoo. You guys are so spoilt, it's ridiculous. We're paying 89 cents per [color=Red]litre[color=Black] in Queensland, and I'm pretty sure that New South Wales is generally about 10 cents more expensive. England is paying 79-85 pence per litre, and has been as high as 99 pence per litre. 1 gallon=4.546 litres, and 1 quid equals about 1.87 US dollars. Using those rates, fuel prices are something close to the following:


1 gallon in England= .79x1.87x4.[/color][/color]546 = [color=Red]6.72[/color] [color=Red]US dollars[/color].
1 gallon in English currency= .79x4.546 = 3.59 pence.

I think that says quite a bit, don't you?

And quite frankly, I don't think boycotting Saudi based fuel will lower American fuel prices. It [color=Magenta]may[color=Black] lower other countries' prices; if the cheap fuel isn't going to America, then it's free to go to the other countries, in theory. I'm not exactly a professor regarding fuel, but I don't see how boycotting it will bring it down, lol.

I think when it comes down to it, this'll be a matter of principle versus practicality.
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[SIZE=1]And I thought petrol was getting was getting expensive here in the Republic, we're paying about ?1.00 on average per litre for petrol, and strangely enough about the same for diesel. I say strangely, as anyone who drives a diesel car knows that it's a less refined version of petrol and it would made sense that it'd be cheaper because there'd be less processing involved. In fact around where I live, diesel at the moment is more expensive than petrol which really makes me wonder what the heck is going on.

One thing that people have to, absolutely have to realise is that besides America being the world's largest consumer of petrol, other very large emerging countries are taking up a chunk of the market. China would be the best example of this as much of it's people are now starting to cars to go to and from their business, and it doesn't take a genius to realise that a country of over a billion people is going to use quite a lot of petrol. The Americans as it is are getting a very sweet deal out of the petrol trade and as such shouldn't bloody well moan when they receive a small increase in the cost of petrol.

Also both Chabichou and Ken are exactly correct, all the people in Saudi Arabia are not terrorists out to kill the Americans, and boycotting their products because of a few people who do is not a fair thing.[/SIZE]

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff][size=1]Hmm, a lot of people have said what I wanted to say. I agree with Ken and Chabichou - a small group of people does not always represent the majority.

I also agree with Ken that it [b]is[/b] sad that our coutnry can't invest money into finding alternative fule for the day when *gasp* there won't be any fossil fuel left!!!!! But that'll never happen because as anyone who lives in America knows, our government is f*ed up beaurocracy at it's best; and oil companies have a large stake in our government. Like the way cigarettes will never be illegal because they have a large steak in our government as well. Pisses me off.

I already knew that nations other than the US are paying $6.00 per gallon. Like Gavin said, it's pretty simple. American consumers are the biggest market for oil, so we buy a lot. You buy in bulk, it's always cheaper.

Just another note to point out, a lot of nations in Europe (like England, France, Spain), Japan, and I don't know about Australia, but I'll assume (someone can always correct me) actually have working mass transit systems. You can take a train or a bus from a bus or train stop, and actually go somewhere!!! I'm still trying to grasp the concept, and am wondering if it works as well as I think it does, since I'm unfamiliar with mass transit that works.

In America, if you don't live in a city, the only way you're getting around is by CAR. The mass transit system to NYC is laughable (actually, NYC has the longest commute time followed by Chicago). I mean, even [i]in[/i] the city, some commutes take 40-50 minutes because of the subway or bus systems.

The closest train station to me, in NJ, is about two hours away, and I recently found out there's one bus that runs through our town (and I don't even know where it goes). Now that's sad.

So we waste more gas, because cars are the [strike]best[/strike] only way to get around, and of course, because we have a larger nation, and more people in it. A dur. :/

Someone in Georgia has cheap gas? You sux. And yeah, I found out recently that NJ has cheap gas. It averages about $2.17 for regular, where I am. Down at the shore, it's like $1.95. Grr...


You know, I have [i]heard[/i] some thing which has lead me to think we should stop buying Saudi oil, but I have no facts. So how about I tell you what I know, and then you all can correct the silly rumors I've heard, okie? Okie. Sounds good.

Basically, I'm under the impression that Saudi Arabia and other oil holding countries are funneling money into terrorist activities (some of them in Iraq where our boys are getting killed?), so we should all stop buying their oil.

True, untrue, or unconfirmed?[/size][/color]

[Kamuro]

well, like someone else said, it is a needed resource, but there is alternatives to buying high priced gas, they're just not widespread yet, you know, solar powered cars, electrically powered cars, or just the good old fashion way of walking or biking where you want to go (I know, only for places close to you), but still, people are working on alternative to this problem

regarding the gas, well, I don't think boycotting saudi arabian oil would really make a difference, its just us, going out of our way to "get back" at another country whos doing the same to us, well, I think it would be a bigger waste of time rather then a sinical plot of revenge

[2010DigitalBoy]

Gas prices are like the frikkin stock market here in Virginia. One day we were driving down the road and I saw a sign that said 1.80. The next day the exact same sign said 2.10! I was beffudled. While I think this boycotting idea is interesting, I seriously dought it will make any difference unless it hits the air (TV)

[ForgottenRaider]

The Saudis are doing what now? EH?!?!
[quote]Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.[/quote]
The last time I looked they were not interested in killing Americans, and frowned apon many of the attacks. I guess supporting the guys who kill off one of your biggest money makers is bad for business...

Damn I hate spam and chain letters.

[Kamuro]

lol finally, raider said it, are we sure we're not just making a big deal out of just another chain letter? I never really trusted the content of random spam in my inbox, so why am I now?

[Lady Asphyxia]

[quote name='MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff][size=1]Just another note to point out, a lot of nations in Europe (like England, France, Spain), Japan, and I don't know about Australia, but I'll assume (someone can always correct me) actually have working mass transit systems. You can take a train or a bus from a bus or train stop, and actually go somewhere!!! I'm still trying to grasp the concept, and am wondering if it works as well as I think it does, since I'm unfamiliar with mass transit that works.[/size'][/color][/quote]
[font=Arial Narrow][size=2]Mmm...not so much in Australia. Australia is a very big place [just smaller than the contiguous 48 States of the US] and so we drive several hours to get anywhere. While we might drive an hour and a half to go to our Capital city and see maybe 4 towns in between, in England you drive for an hour and a half and see a town every fifteen minutes. Public transport is available in towns, but I don't know very many people who use it. We do have mass transit systems in the 'cities' [Which aren't as large as yours, I don't believe] and they work very well. I can catch a bus up from my town to the city [an hour and a half trip], catch a train from there to Central, then another train or bus [or even City Cat, which is a boat] to wherever I want to go. Most of the time I stay with friends in the city, so it takes me about two minutes to get there. Obviously bus rides take longer, but they're quite comfortable.

The European system, while I've never actually been on it myself, seems to be very good. If you get a 3 month Eurorail pass you can pretty much go where you want to, I believe...as long as you have visas. ^_^" My brother's been on the London underground, and he said that it smells very bad, haha.

[/size][/font][quote name='x kakashi x']well, childish much?[/quote] [font=Arial Narrow][size=2]
This from a guy who says [i]childish much[/i]? [img]http://otakuboards.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img] I can understand your point of view; but at the same time I think it's also important to take in the situation for the rest of the world, too. In Australia, I think that's pretty on par. Let me see...2.30 is about 4 dollars fifty cents, and we're paying about a dollar per litre at the moment [according to my Mum, I just asked her, lol.] 1 gallon is approx. 4.5 litres, so Australian and American fuel prices are pretty much on par at present.

We actually had a fuel stunt here not long ago. A few years ago, ethanol based fuel got a bad rap because some petrol stations had fuel with 20% ethanol, which pretty much destroys you're engine. 10% ethanol is okay, however, and that's the amount it's supposed to have if you buy ethanol based fuel. This company, in order to raise good publicity for ethanol based fuel, put the price up as 9c per litre, between the hours of 7 am and 9am on this one day. So that, instead of paying about $40 for 40 litres, people paid about $3.60 for the same amount. The demand for this promotion was so great that they had to extend it for hours! Amazing, non?

I don't really know very much about the situation with Saudi Arabia. I did try to do some research on it and found a website detailing examples where America apparently turned a blind eye or bent to Saudi Arabi's will -- the inference was because of fuel related issues, of course.
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[You Don't Care]

Ignore it. There are times when lots of people get crap like this anyway (some of it [B]is[/B] true, but most is not).

I remember a few years ago, in Nevada there were people who got e-mails saying that their "unknown" relative had passed away and the bank wanted to "get rid of the money"! If you give them your bank account numbers (and codes) they will send the money to you. Apparently, it was a hoax (who'da guess). Some country in Africa was scamming small cities in America and there was no way to prove it (but if you could, there is nothing that can be done, because you were stoopid enough to give your numbers away). An old couple lost a few-hundred-thou' that way!

Now that I'm back on topic, I will have to see this gas "thing" happen with my own eyes before I believe a single word. The gas here is about 2.15/gal for unleaded, but I couldn't care less, because I take the bus (It saves thousands a year!)

[Kamuro]

I apologize for my comment Lady Asphyxia, but it seemed like you were asking us to take in the situation of the rest of the world, and then weren't doing the same for us. I understand gas is expensive there as well, and on some standards it doesn't even compare to how low it seems here, but here, thats high for us. And its raising by the minute, so when someone posts about how low it actually is, it sort contradicts what everyone had been saying, and the subject of the spam letter in the first place.