Gaming Online Morals....have we lost them?

[Gelgoog Pilot]

Alright....not sure if there is another one about this...so too bad you have another one... :p

What I'm saying is this...on pretty much all online games, the morality or players has dwindled. My favorite example is Battle.net. Take either starcraft or diablo, you can hardly find nice people anymore. You are either a 'noob' because you don't religiously study the abbreviations or because hell you're a new comer to the game. Aswell you can still enter games where some one will feel they 'need' to betray their partners even after the initial win was accomplished...Honestly it gets sickening.

I'm more lenient..if you call me a noob during a game while I fended off several waves of 3 players...then shutup...but if within like 4 minutes I was sloshed...you may have had a point...And if you betray me...wow I usually get angry...since there is no need to do it in the first place than to be malicious.

Whatever...maybe I'm jsut fed up with people acting like jerks or maybe I'm whining..who cares...I want to know your opinions..not just on these two but any online games share some experience...

[Semjaza]

I've had very, very little problems. In fact, I'd say most of the jerks I've come across have been on console online games. Not really PC ones.

I've played Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2004, Quake 3 (I was in a clan for this one), World of Warcraft, Ragnarok Online, Guild Wars and about a dozen other games online for decent periods of time. Honestly, for every poor person I've met, I've come across at least a few people who were very nice and wanted to help, team up or whatever else.

All I can say about Starcraft and Diablo is that they're pretty old games by this point and people who still play them on battle.net are probably just going to expect everyone to know everything because of that.

[Bloodseeker]

Who cares? If the guy's being an asshole, nobody ever said that you have to respond or even read his messages. I've never been big into online games (seeing as how most MMORPGs cost additional money to subscribe to, and I'm not too big on RTS or FPS), but the times that I've been on (Army Men, Star Craft), I found that beating them is the best way to get the ******** to shut the hell up. And even if you lose, once again, you don't have stick around and talk to your opponent.

[Kamuro]

it depends on the games, I use to big into PC gaming and such, but the people definitely pissed me off, it wasn't even their comments, I could careless what they say, but in Diablo, for example, you could have a certain amount of gold and it could be stolen from you instantaneously in a trade or a battle, which gets pretty annoying if you had a lot, people turning on you is another issue, but it doesn't really matter, most of the retards that turn on you do so to see your reaction, it makes it more enjoyable, instead of freaking out, go level-up and kill him :p

[Gelgoog Pilot]

[quote name='Bloodseeker']Who cares? If the guy's being an asshole, nobody ever said that you have to respond or even read his messages. I've never been big into online games (seeing as how most MMORPGs cost additional money to subscribe to, and I'm not too big on RTS or FPS), but the times that I've been on (Army Men, Star Craft), I found that beating them is the best way to get the ******** to shut the hell up. And even if you lose, once again, you don't have stick around and talk to your opponent.[/quote]
That really isn't the point...you're not saying if you feel the morlas have diminished really, you just stated that its best to ignore people...I'll admit I let it piss me off...but it's not like it continues to bother me hours later or what not...it just amazing how badly some people treat others.


And Generic I actually have to agree...when I played ragnarok online most people were nice...and if you just happened to run around with them for a while most of the time you could team up and have, well a decent amount of trust with them. The mean people still remain out there and it's just like real life I know but some are just ridiculous.

[Lunai]

[font=trebuchet ms][color=darkgoldenrod]I haven't played a lot of online games, but I do know that in a lot of cases you've got preteens, and even some older people, power tripping because they've been playing whatever game for a long amount of time.

As far as people stealing your gold in Diablo, that's just low.[/font][/color]

[2010DigitalBoy]

I havent played many online games, but I know what all of you are talking about

Mean: I recently got (and got rid of) Neverwinter nights for the PC. The people on there suck. You can walk into a server where the rules say "no magic or transformations" and find birds and volcanoes sprouting out of the ground. All the people there know each other and kill noobs for no reason. Every time I logged on Id have some jerk killing me over and over. Id say "stop! Im a n00b!" but theyd just be like "duh" and kill me and laugh with their friends.


Nice: Ragnarok online was a very friendly experience. My cousin was playing the first time and met a friend in the training ground They stuck together till the end of training. When they entered the real game, they were sent to different cities. They spent hours trying to find each other using long-distance chat. My cousin got into a little feud with some people haning around this place. When he came back, the people appologized. As they started to leave, a level 43 wizard walks up and asks for the friend's name. Then he contacted him, and teleported them both to the nearest town, told them to make that their respawn point, and then left.

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Lunai][font=trebuchet ms][color=darkgoldenrod]I haven't played a lot of online games, but I do know that in a lot of cases you've got preteens, and even some older people, power tripping because they've been playing whatever game for a long amount of time.

As far as people stealing your gold in Diablo, that's just low.[/font][/color][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]I've only played one or two games online at a cousin's house, but I have found that sometimes there are people who "power-trip" as Bio said because they've put in more hours at a game than you have. I don't play online games enough to say whether or not Online Morals are slipping, there's always be people who act like ***** in the world, whether that be real or virtual. That said it appears from what most people have said they're only a minority, and prone to playing only specific games.

As for stealing stuff from people, that is just low.[/SIZE]

[Kamuro]

Stealing is definitely a problem on lots of PC games. Diablo was my classic example because anything and everything could be taken from you in seconds. Some servers were specifically designed for people to join, their stuff to be taken, and them to be booted from the server. This was quite annoying because they look just like normal servers. I actually found myself getting pretty far and in the game, and I had a decent character with some decent stuff. Basically everything I got was in this server (we had worked together and gotten pretty close to the end) and before the final boss one of the teammates turned, killed us all, and the final boss. When somethign like that happens, you can't just "ignore it." Its not just PC games, if you got really far on a PS2 game, and then the power went off or something, you'd be mad you just lost everything you'd worked for.

On the issue of morals. I don't believe its specifically all online gamers, however, I've found that a lot of people who play games like Diablo, play quite constantly and end up becoming "jerks" as they've been referred to as (I don't believe the mods would enjoy my other names for them ;) ). Even so, there are definitely nice people on these games, and its worth it to actually play through them and meet the people. I've found lots of friends on these games that I still talk to even after I've left the game. You can't really generalize all the people who play online games, cause theres an intire spectrum of people who play these games and they're all different.

[James]

[color=#D6A204]Well, there are some absolutely nasty people in Counter Strike: Source...but I think that comes from them having played so long and expecting people to know everything. That's no excuse for blatant rudeness, though.

But generally people on there are pretty nice. Also, I really haven't come across many bad players in Guild Wars...most seem to be very helpful and friendly, save for one or two who were total nutcases. But again, it seems to be the minority.[/color]

[boxybrown305]

[COLOR=DarkRed]I have never played an online game, and sometimes for reasons like these, i'm glad i don't. There can really be some mean people out there, but getting to the end of a game, then dying? By a team mate no less, is just awful. It's that much of a huge chunk of your real life that has just been thrown away completely, no compesation, no award, just that much closer to death.

But this works on the opposite level as well. Those who are having these kinds of things done to them need to know how to keep their cool too. There was someone who gave an extremely rare weapon in an online game, to a friend. That person then gave it to someone else (without permission of the original owner, who was only lending it), for a lot of money (real money, mind you). So the original owner of this virtual item actually killed, i mean murdered in cold blood, the guy who sold it. FOR REAL!
Read more [URL=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7341316]here[/URL].

It's an awful thing that people be so cold hearted in MMO's for no particular benefit even, but when someone actually dies over it, that's WAY over the top.[/COLOR]

[PWNED]

Woah, I just had a read of the article that boxybrown linked to and that is really,well, Damn. You put time and money into something then you lend it to someone and the person sells it. I myself would be be plenty pissed about that but it happens to everyone. I myself have had that happen to me plenty of times on Runescape but I add them as a buddy before I lend them stuff so I can hunt them down and take them out, Not because I am a bad guy but because it is so easy to be scammed on a game.

But Online Morals are going down; Just because I don't spend every waking hour on the damn game doesn't mean that I don't know how to play the game. It's more of a problem with RPGS not Shooting Games because you can make yourself stronger than everyone else. Shooting games are more about being sneaky and finding stashes of weaponry than levelling up and making yourself powerhouses.

And remember this rule
Online RPS= Bad Online Shooters= Good (At least in my opinion)

[Gelgoog Pilot]

Well that article reminds me of the Everquest scandal...Did anyone hear about the guy who had been playing it for like 3 years, then he had some hacked character kill him and take all of his stuff...THey found him 3 days later after he killed himself in the basement...I'm glad I never got THAT into a game before... :animeblus

[Gavin]

[quote name='Gelgoog Pilot']Well that article reminds me of the Everquest scandal...Did anyone hear about the guy who had been playing it for like 3 years, then he had some hacked character kill him and take all of his stuff...THey found him 3 days later after he killed himself in the basement...I'm glad I never got THAT into a game before... :animeblus[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Woah, first I've heard of it but that really does seem to take the issue to the absolute excess, I mean it does raise questions over how good security is over these kinds of servers. Something along the similar lines was brought up in PCZone, a fellow playing SW Galaxies was hiring out his Jedi to eliminate people for money, I mean that just takes it well out of proportion. You're there having a nice game, accidentally annoyed someone you shouldn't have and then find a Jedi character coming along and slaying you. [/SIZE]

[Semjaza]

People in those areas seem to take those things very seriously... at least some of them. I've read articles about people who play "professionally", meaning that it's basically [i]all[/i] they do.

Either way, 99.9999% of those bizarre cases happen in places like China or Korea. I doubt anyone outside of those areas (and really, even in them, it's not that common) has much to worry about.

[2010DigitalBoy]

A friend of mine started playing Runescape the other day and he said some guy tolf him to follow. He led him out into the desert, then teleported away... hows that for morality?

[Tatsubei Yagyu]

I only partner with good friends in Halo 2, because my friend has a Xbox, and we have a strong bond, actually. I was going to get hit by a plasma grenade, and my friend intercepted it...with his body. Then my other friend got hit by the dudes partner with a rocket launcher, I got pissed off and avenged them both with my Plasma Blade (sweet,sweet revenge :D ).

[PWNED]

[QUOTE=ThatOneOddDude]
Nice: Ragnarok online was a very friendly experience. My cousin was playing the first time and met a friend in the training ground They stuck together till the end of training. When they entered the real game, they were sent to different cities. They spent hours trying to find each other using long-distance chat. My cousin got into a little feud with some people haning around this place. When he came back, the people appologized. As they started to leave, a level 43 wizard walks up and asks for the friend's name. Then he contacted him, and teleported them both to the nearest town, told them to make that their respawn point, and then left.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Ragnarok Online has a fairly good community as a whole because people are more inclined to help you and they seem to be polite. Like all there will usually be some people that are gits but not as many as on others. People who do poor messages like Heal plz are often ignored/ considered rude. If you come across an Acolyte then you can ask politely and pay them for the healing. Ragnarok is good for people who are new to the MMORPG scene because you can be supported by others if you are low-level.

[Japan]

[quote name='ThatOneOddDude']A friend of mine started playing Runescape the other day and he said some guy tolf him to follow. He led him out into the desert, then teleported away... hows that for morality?[/quote]

[COLOR=Navy]At least that player didn't have your friend follow him into the wilderness....otherwise he would of died and a lot of his stuff stolen.

People can be mean in Runescape, but there are a lot of nice people there. The times that I played Counterstrike, no one was mean. The only thing bad in games that I've seen was when my friend Josh, and my friend's little brother Ryan betray their teams in Halo 2...what idiots.[/COLOR]

[silpheedpilot]

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]"Game experiance may change while online." actively translates to.."Children will cuss at you online."

Its a mixed bag about online gaming morales, some games are played with relatively positive reactions from other players while others have negative reactions. It also depends on whos' game you join, see, if you join someone's game on whatever online game you're playing and they are having a bad day then you'll see a different side to the person than if he/she was having a good day. The best way to avoid worrying about other players harrassing you with cuss words or bad gaming conduct would be to team up with friends you know and trust. Thats all I can think of, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and tell you some of the greatest or worst moments in online gaming history for me, I'm just going to part with that wisdom for you all.

~Silpheed, gamer for life.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Guest chobitslover90]

[QUOTE=Gelgoog Pilot]Alright....not sure if there is another one about this...so too bad you have another one... :p

What I'm saying is this...on pretty much all online games, the morality or players has dwindled. My favorite example is Battle.net. Take either starcraft or diablo, you can hardly find nice people anymore. You are either a 'noob' because you don't religiously study the abbreviations or because hell you're a new comer to the game. Aswell you can still enter games where some one will feel they 'need' to betray their partners even after the initial win was accomplished...Honestly it gets sickening.

I'm more lenient..if you call me a noob during a game while I fended off several waves of 3 players...then shutup...but if within like 4 minutes I was sloshed...you may have had a point...And if you betray me...wow I usually get angry...since there is no need to do it in the first place than to be malicious.

Whatever...maybe I'm jsut fed up with people acting like jerks or maybe I'm whining..who cares...I want to know your opinions..not just on these two but any online games share some experience...[/QUOTE]

i think u have a point but i still think your wrong
there are mean people in these games true but it depends on where you are in the game i mean if your in the first city in a game made for level 1-6 then if a guy is nasty then shame on him but if your in the uderworld where the lowest level you can be to get there is 105 then they expect more from you which is what they deserve

but in some games like guild wars theres only the occasional asswipe i mean ive been in a level 20 city when i was level 12 and people were super nice showed me where everything is and one person even gave me a butload of moolah just beacause i asked her so u shouldnt say that there is an access of them cuz there isnt at least not where they shouldnt be

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]I love my FPS, never been much into MMORPG's, and I have only rarely had issues with people. I play Battlefield Vietnam, and Battlefield 2, and generally the people are pretty good. In particular Battlefield 2 is excellent, with the formation of squads and such, the whole teamwork thing is vastly improved. Total strangers just work together to accomplish their goals. I am generally a squad leader, and often find myself leading these people [who may or may not be on my squad] into bases etc. and it is really friendly environment. On the other hand, you occasionally get people who will hop in a jeep with you, and when you get out to capture the flag, they'll just drive off.

Or worse, when there is a group of people waiting for aircraft [generally on a map where you're stuck on the carrier and need to get to shore] people will kill you over the vehicles. I had actually hopped in a jet one time, when a guy used his sniper rifle to shoot me through the canopy. That kind of behaviour really aggravates me.[/size]

[Goodbye, Face]

[font=trebuchet ms]In StarCraft I used to constantly get accused of hacking because I was rather good. I spent the two years I wasn't here... over there...

Anyways, I quit playing because it felt like I was the only trustworthy person there. I made friends with a lot of newbies, showed them the ropes, and still AIM them every once in a while. However, when I talked to some people that had played the game for a little while, ones who already knew how to play, they were fearful of me due to bad experiences with oldies.

Oh well.

Oh, funny thing to do if you're Terran: Make lots of cheap buildings and hover them over your opponent's base. Cover up their buildings and troops so they can't click on them. That's where the fun's at.[/font]

[Desbreko]

[color=#4B0082]You know, I thought I wouldn't have to deal with any of the standard online crap with Mario Kart DS. Matchmaking can be done to find people who are close to your skill level, so if you look you can find a pretty fair match. And you can't talk to your opponents in any way. So what could go wrong?

Well, it turns out people are still sore losers no matter what the interface. I've only had this happen once so far, but I've read about other people who've seen it a lot. What happens is, if a person doesn't win the first race or two (out of a set of four), they disconnect in the middle of a race. Now, if they just disconnect in between races, the rest of the players can continue without them and finish out the set. But they don't do that; they wait till the middle of a race to disconnect, which of course then disconnects everyone else.

Why do they do it? Because they can't take having their precious win/loss record tarnished. The guy who I saw do it had something around a 30/5 record, I think it was. Seeing that before the start of the first race, I thought, "Hey, this guy must be pretty good." Wrong; he sucked ***. Which makes me think the only way he could've gotten a record like that is through lots of disconnecting, which doesn't affect your record in any way.

I wouldn't really care about this except for two things: First, it doesn't just drop them out of the game when they do it mid-race, but everyone else too. It pissed me off when I had it happen to me because the first race had been a close match between me (2nd) and the guy who got 1st, which was a lot of fun. And second, it not only makes win/loss records near meaningless, but it also makes people suspicious of anyone with a good record, even if they got it the honest way.

And my faith in humanity slips just a little farther away...[/color]

[Tatsubei Yagyu]

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Comic Sans MS]That makes me kind of sad...

The fact that because some people can't handle losing so much that they have to screw up everyone esle's experience... In the end, you can't really do anything sadly. I would think that the record was to be a reminder of all your good times with the game, but some people just want to see 1000-0 at all costs. It would really suck to be racing and the whole time hoping that not one of the seven racers behind you's hand isn't twitching to remove the cord.[/FONT][/COLOR]