Gaming Nintendo...the final nails in the coffin?

[Bloodseeker]

Its no secret that the Gamecube didn't sale too well in the US or Europe. With nothing huge, exclusive, and promising like Halo or Final Fantasy on the Gamecube, and with Nintendo superstars Mario (with his new water pack) and Link (with his new cartoony look) butchered, its no wonders that Gamecube sales were less than Xbox sales and abysmal compared to PS2 sales. In all honesty, I think that Super Smash Brothers Melee, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Prime were the only things that drove anybody outside of hardcore Nintendo fans and a few exceptions to buy the system.

Then along comes the DS, which was just a bad idea. I don't know how sales have been doing for the DS, but I'd be willing to bet that with the awkward touch-screen/traditional button mixtures and a less-than-steller selection of games, sales haven't been doing too well, especially when compared to Sony's hit PSP.

While in another industry altogether, I think that Nintendo's failures can be directly compared to that of the former top superstore, K-Mart. Just like the big fish that was K-Mart wasn't able to modernize with their customers by providing an up to date fashion sense or an adequate and well-organized electronics section, Nintendo hasn't come to realize that family-friendly gaming is not what gamers are looking for anymore. The age where platformers are the top dogs are gone. Much like K-Mart was lost in the information age, Nintendo is lost in this relatively new stream of high-interaction sandbox obsessions among gamers. The DS, Nintendo's attempt at making all of their handheld games an interactive sandbox, is proof of this. Nintendo should have known that a touchscreen combined with the traditional buttons would be awkward, but in their confusion, they seemed to forget common sense.

And like K-Mart, unless Nintendo can bring their merchandise up to date, they'll be the superpower that [i]was[/i].

[Kamuro]

I see where your coming from concerning gamecube, I actually bought one, beat super smash brothers, and then sold it to my friend lol, its definitely nothing special, at least not to me

However, I like the DS and basically ever gamer I know has one, and its not because they're hardcore nintendo fans, its just good. The graphics aren't bad and the touch-screen, although awkward at first is quite fun when you get use to it. I'm not quite sure about the PSP. It looks ok, but it usually downsizes the gaming when people try to cram all those abilities into one system "pictures, movies, games, music" and its rather expensive as well, more so then the DS. I've played both and personally I find the DS more enjoyable.

Lastly, I don't think nintendo is nearing its end. Although later endeavors havn't been as successful as originally thought, they've had several hits in the gaming world over the years and I'm assuming this is enough to keep them going and keep the people buying.

[Zidargh]

[QUOTE=Bloodseeker]Its no secret that the Gamecube didn't sale too well in the US or Europe. With nothing huge, exclusive, and promising like Halo or Final Fantasy on the Gamecube, and with Nintendo superstars Mario (with his new water pack) and Link (with his new cartoony look) butchered, its no wonders that Gamecube sales were less than Xbox sales and abysmal compared to PS2 sales. In all honesty, I think that Super Smash Brothers Melee, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Prime were the only things that drove anybody outside of hardcore Nintendo fans and a few exceptions to buy the system.
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The XBOX would've been deemed a failure had it's price not dropped significantly. The sales of the XBOX were so low in Europe, that it had to drop it's price down by £150. That's a ridiculous amount of money within the first two months of it's release.

In case you hadn't of noticed, Halo is an incredibly overrated game. And now the gamer public who can see past the superificialities of graphics for example, (Though in my world, they don't rock my boat) are starting realise this.

Mario and Link were never butchered. Super Mario Sunshine and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, sold very well in Japan, Europe and the US. [i]Jeez.[/i] It's Mario and Link for crying out loud. Yes there was a section of the market that hated the changes made to them, but there was also a broad market that loved these. I personally find the two games very enjoyable. Yes, they have their flaws. Such as the ending of SMS or the Triforce quest in TWW, but so does every single game.


[quote name='Bloodseeker']Then along comes the DS, which was just a bad idea. I don't know how sales have been doing for the DS, but I'd be willing to bet that with the awkward touch-screen/traditional button mixtures and a less-than-steller selection of games, sales haven't been doing too well, especially when compared to Sony's hit PSP.[/quote]

[i]Never[/i] create a generalised thread that is supposedly factual by you, be dictated by just your opinion. You need statistics and other articles to back up your argument.

As far as I know, the Nintendo DS has sold very well. And you cannot say the PSP is going to be a stellar-hit in comparison to the DS: -

.The Nintendo DS was released much earlier than the PSP.
.The Nintendo DS has introduced ground-breaking elements, what with a touch-screen and in-built connectivity into a hand held console.
.The Nintendo DS is also more affordable than the PSP.

Just because you don't enjoy the titles, or don't like the looks of them, doesn't mean other people do not worship them.

Oh and...

[quote name='bloodseeker']...with nothing huge, exclusive, and promising like Halo or Final Fantasy on the Gamecube...[/quote]

There was actually a Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. It's much more different to your typical FF, but there was one.


Sorry, but I feel it's not quite the end for Nintendo. You've forgotten Greatest Hits like Metroid Prime for example.

Get some real information before you write another argument like this.

[Bloodseeker]

[quote name='Zidargh']The XBOX would've been deemed a failure had it's price not dropped significantly. The sales of the XBOX were so low in Europe, that it had to drop it's price down by £150. That's a ridiculous amount of money within the first two months of it's release[/quote]

I don't know anything about that. All I know is that it did okay here in the US, and that Xbox sales were better than Gamecube sales in Europe.

[quote name='Zidargh']In case you hadn't of noticed, Halo is an incredibly overrated game. And now the gamer public who can see past the superificialities of graphics for example, (Though in my world, they don't rock my boat) are starting realise this.[/quote]

I don't care much for Halo 2 myself, but there's no denying that it sold extremely well, as did Halo 1. And when it boils down, [i]that[/i] is what determines what sticks around and what goes down the tubes.

[quote name='Zidargh]Mario and Link were never butchered. Super Mario Sunshine and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, sold very well in Japan, Europe and the US. [i]Jeez.[/i'] It's Mario and Link for crying out loud. Yes there was a section of the market that hated the changes made to them, but there was also a broad market that loved these. I personally find the two games very enjoyable. Yes, they have their flaws. Such as the ending of SMS or the Triforce quest in TWW, but so does every single game.[/quote]

I don't know any fans of either LoZ:tWW or SMS, nor do I know anyone that owns either except for myself. And I regret buying the latest LoZ game.


[QUOTE=Zidargh][i]Never[/i] create a generalised thread that is supposedly factual by you, be dictated by just your opinion. You need statistics and other articles to back up your argument.

As far as I know, the Nintendo DS has sold very well. And you cannot say the PSP is going to be a stellar-hit in comparison to the DS: -

.The Nintendo DS was released much earlier than the PSP.
.The Nintendo DS has introduced ground-breaking elements, what with a touch-screen and in-built connectivity into a hand held console.
.The Nintendo DS is also more affordable than the PSP.

Just because you don't enjoy the titles, or don't like the looks of them, doesn't mean other people do not worship them.[/quote]

I suppose that I should have included my other basis for saying this at the beginning. My mom was a bit more keen to check out the DS than I was. Whenever she asked if they had any stock, they always directed us to a half-emptied cage/shelf of DSs. We even asked within the first week of release. The touchscreen was a turn-off for me. Only one of my friends has a DS, and he's going to return it. I myself have been more interested in the PSPs. Whenever I've asked if there were any in stock, the anwer has always been that they were sold out, and that hasn't changed. That's enough to lead a person to the conclusion that the PSP has sold better than the DS, and that the touchscreen was part of the reason why.

[QUOTE=Zidargh]Oh and...



There was actually a Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. It's much more different to your typical FF, but there was one.[/quote]

Chrystal Chronicals doesn't count. It was a sideshow, and everybody knew it.


[QUOTE=Zidargh]Sorry, but I feel it's not quite the end for Nintendo. You've forgotten Greatest Hits like Metroid Prime for example.

Get some real information before you write another argument like this.[/QUOTE]

I've never been good with finding old links that I found my info on...

[Semjaza]

Firstly, the GameCube is definitely not the top system in the US. Yet, neither is the Xbox. They're both extremely behind the PS2 worldwide. However, the GameCube isn't as behind the Xbox in the US as people lead you to believe. In Europe, the Xbox was pretty much put on wholesale, which can attribute to a lot of the sales. In Australia... well, there's no excuse, GameCube has done terribly because the company that is in charge of things there is apparently very poor. In Japan, the Xbox is currently selling about 100 units a week. GameCube isn't doing phenominal there either, but its certainly way, way beyond that on a weekly basis.

Secondly, the DS is doing fine. It was out about a week longer than the PSP in Japan and is ahead by 800,000+ units. Its games more reguarly appear on the charts there and the system had a recent sales spike due to new colors being released.

It's doing very well in the US (I think over 2 million units thus far) and while I agree with most that there aren't many great games on it (there's about four right now I think are worth getting), the line-up for 2005 is promising. It apparently is doing well in Europe as well. Infact, it was the best selling system launch in UK history. Nintendo is on track to beat its yearly sales predictions for the unit.

The PSP apparently sold about 500,000 units in the US, which is great. However, Sony predicted they would sell through their entire stock in a matter of days. That did not happen. I'm sure some random idiot will call that it a "failure" because of that, but who knows what will happen.

The GBA line is still doing really damn well and has little reason to slow down, regardless of the DS. The DS may play GBA games, but it certainly isn't a complete replacement for many reasons. In addition, Nintendo is still planning on a future Game Boy system which all speculation points to being at least on par with the PSP in actual power.

Whether or not some specific person dislikes the DS is completely irrelevant to so many things. If that person doesn't like what it offers or what is on it, they simply do not have to buy it. They don't speak for the general populace. Every product has its group of people who like and group of people who don't.

Nintendo's games are still selling decently. Not as well as on prior systems, but there's also not as many people who own the thing. Wind Waker sold very well, regardless of the general internet opinion that it is "ugly". Apparently that didn't matter much to the general consumer. Either way, the next Zelda is going for a more realistic approach.

Nintendo is no longer top-dog in the console race for many reasons (many of which are completely their fault), but they're certainly not floundering. They're not even remotely in a state where Sega was when it was doing poorly. They get more direct profit from what they do than both Sony or MS in their gaming sectors. If they play things smart, they can push themselves back up into the forefront in terms of console sales, I think.

Whether or not they will play things smart remains to be seen. Either way, I kind of foresee Nintendo becoming the Apple of the gaming world. Making things that might appeal to a smaller consumer base, but the consumers they have are strong and loyal. No one thinks Apple has "failed", even without the iPod's recent popularity. It's very possible to exist, do well and not be number one.

People seem to have this idea that "No one I know personally likes Nintendo's latest ventures, so they must be doing horribly all over the place!" Things don't work like that with anything.

[2010DigitalBoy]

well, Bloodseeker, your community must not be very diverse. The DS had an opening week as one of the bestselling consoles ever. Millions of people love it, and while it may not have very many notable games now, the coming of Viewtiful Joe, Final Fantasy 3 and Crystal Chronicles, Xenosaga, and many other titles I cant wait to touch, the sales will stay up. The PSP is NOT going to do overly well, because not only did they release it at a completely unaffordable price, but there are next to no big holidays in the coming months.

The gamecube is still doing very well. I have known far more people to own a Gamecube than any other game system, firstly because any hardcore gamer is probably going to buy all three consoles, and secondly because every parent who wants to buy their little boy a video game is going to buy a Gamecube bcause they advertise themselves as a kids system.

The legend of Zelda not only sold amazingly well, being one of the top sold games of 2003, but also had the highest pre-order count of any game in history. Even if you didn't like the new graphics, if you were a Zelda fan you bought that game, and chances are [b]you liked it[/b]. I know i did.

Mario Sunshine also sold through the roof because it was a very huge game, and due to the set up being like Mario 64, people knew what to expect. It also came out at a time when practically no great games had come out.

Lets not forget Resident Evil 4. This game got higher reviews than any of the 2004 games. It sold through the roof because of tons of advertising, a huge fan base, and lots of extraa stuff like the Chainsaw Controller and the special edition version.

The Gamecube's sale rate, while not overwhelming, has remeined practically the same over the last 4 years, and if it could hold its own then, it can hold it now.

Lets not forget my favorite system ever, the GBA. The GBA sells a TON of units yearly. Old school gamers who dont have any new systems will reach for this because its the cheapest. The same goes for the Gamecube. The GBA also has the excelent SP, which still sells pretty well, also. Because the GBA and SP come in so many different colors and variations (I have an arctic GBA and a classic NES SP and couldnt be happier) it sells a lot.

The point is, like the others said, Nintendo may not be the Wal-Mart of the gaming industry, but like the Dollar Tree, its cheep and has a lot of fans.

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Well I've always been a die-hard supported of Nintendo, back since the days of the NES and Gameboy which are pretty much the systems I grew up playing. I don't believe for a single second that Nintendo are going to go the same was as SEGA did, and the proof of that seems to be in the sales of the DS and GBA SP.

Even though the Gamecube didn?t sell as well as the likes of the XBox and PS2 in Europe, Microsoft did as Zidargh pointed out, have to drop the price of the XBox significantly in order to try and compete with Nintendo and Sony. If I remember correctly they were even selling the XBox at below the unit cost price of producing them. I?d definitely agree that Halo was nothing special, and underneath some good graphics was a surprisingly average game, and much of the rest of it?s release-date games were nothing to write home about.

I think the whole reason behind the Gamecube?s lack of success in Europe [though more specifically in Britain and Ireland] can be put down to the fact that Nintendo had a pretty poor games line-up when the Gamecube was released. There was no traditional Mario game, no Metroid [although they came in time] and really there were only a few games that really seemed interesting, now I may be wrong as I can?t remember exactly what was in that line-up beyond Luigi?s Mansion. As for the PS2, well the backwards compatibility of it meant that any PS1/One owners already had a library of games they could play, as well as that GTA 3 came out with it which meant any GTA fan, and many people who played it wanted to get it. Nintendo just got unlucky in the fact that it wasn?t marketed as well as the PS2 or Xbox were, hell I don?t even remember any ads for the Gamecube on TV when it was released.

I personally wasn?t a huge fan of Mario Sunshine, and found it a bit of a disappointment when I played through it, having completed Mario 64, I just found that I didn?t like the game. Legend of Zelda the Wind Waker however was a game that I simply loved when it game out, and I though the cel-shaded graphics added a great sense of fantasy and distinction to an already brilliant game.

I personally don?t think the Nintendo is in trouble, the XBox 2 will have to sell above r at it?s cost price to cover the losses on the original, which means if memory serves about $700 [that price was quoted in another thread]. The Revolution Desbreko has said will be backwards compatible, and will probably go on sale for a decent price, and as for the PS3, well I don?t really know the specifics on it yet so I can?t really say anything. All that said, Nintendo still rules the handheld world, the PSP might be Sony?s attempt to break Nintendo and the GBA?s grip on the market but as Tony?s quotes on the sales figures indicates that that might not happen.

I still have faith that Nintendo will go on well after the Revolution and DS.[/SIZE]

[Wayfarer]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=Blue]I'm not generally a nintendo fan, but I think that they are still going strong. Look at the facts: DS outsold PSP in its first week (that could be attributed to the holiday season, but the PS2 pulled a similar sneaky drop on the other two home consoles) The DS has a steadily growing library of really high-quality games, and the PSP has a lot of good games, but nothing that would sell me on the 300 dollar price tag. Most of the movies you can get for it aren't very good either (yeah, its got Spider Man 2, but that's again not enough to sell me on the price tag) And while the PSP certaily has prettier graphics and is overall a sexier (yes, I said sexier) looking gaming device, I've always been a firm believer of substance over style, and the DS has a lot of substance, even though some peope may think it doesn't have any style at all. Also to keep in mind is that the DS is NOT a successor to the GBA, it is merely a really coll side project from Nintendo.

Listen, Nintendo is not on its last legs as a console developer. I don't like it and I dont always have to accept it, but the DS is a cool piece of hardware that proves that innovation without alienating people is possible, and it is certainly worth more for your money than the PSP, seeing as its half the price. Now...as for the Revolution. I havent heard much more of it than rumors, so I cant make much of a comparison right now. Also, I've only heard rumors of the PS3, so I cant say anything about that either. I'd like to say more, but I really cant say anything about a console that I have no idea about.

'But wayfarer' you say, 'what about the X-box?' Well, I havent said much on the X-box beause they have a pretty bleak future. Aside from the inevitable Halo 3 (if they dont do it, I wont be held responsible for what Im going to do to bungie.) and Jade Empire, X-box doesnt have anything really noteworthy in their immediate future. Now, I could be wrong, but X-box has never been much of a threat. Do they have cool online? Of course. Is it capable of more than the other two consoles? Well, yes, but do they have a list of games worth dropping the money for one? I dont really think so.

In summary, Nintendo is still going strong. As it was put in the poll, Nintendo's been the head of the console market for fifteen years (or fifteen years before the PS2) and that wasn't because of luck, it was because they were, and still are, one of the top-notch developers and companies out there. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Kamuro]

The Gamecube, as soom previously mentioned, isn't doing all that bad. However, I don't really believe its a good system. The graphics are ok, they vary from game to game, but I don't really think it has some special to offer us as gamers. Many of you have mentioned Windwaker, well, I'm a fan of Zelda, but not of this game. I don't like it, any of it lol. But that just further supports the point made before that personal opinions really make no difference in the selling statistics of the Gamecube. Even so, the only few games I enjoyed on the Gamecube were Metroid, Super Smash Brothers, and SMS (mildly). And if you have to struggle to mention a good list of games for the system, then there has to be some trouble concerning it.

As far as the PSP goes, I think it sold as many as it did just because it was made by Sony, and lets face it, the PS2 is the best out there right now, so why not expect the best portable station? However, its not all that great, especially compared to price. The game line-up is well, not all that exciting. And since it comes so expensive, you'd think it'd actually have somethings already in place when you buy it. However all the things included on the PSP (music, gaming, movies, pictures) are seperated. You have to buy the games, pay for the music and movies, and the picture program is below par at best. The DS, although not as diverse is definitely much better from the gaming stand point.

[Zidargh]

[QUOTE=Wayfarer][SIZE=1][COLOR=Blue]

'But wayfarer' you say, 'what about the X-box?' Well, I havent said much on the X-box beause they have a pretty bleak future. Aside from the inevitable Halo 3 (if they dont do it, I wont be held responsible for what Im going to do to bungie.) and Jade Empire, X-box doesnt have anything really noteworthy in their immediate future. Now, I could be wrong, but X-box has never been much of a threat. Do they have cool online? Of course. Is it capable of more than the other two consoles? Well, yes, but do they have a list of games worth dropping the money for one? I dont really think so.

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I think the XBOX has a long way to go yet.

The capabilities of an XBOX are superior to the PS2 and Gamecube, as in it's processor, graphics engine, memory, etc. Games have yet to really utilize what the XBOX is capable of.

It has Jade Empire lined up; Spinter Cell: Chaos Theory out already; The Godfather (Which is [i]supposed[/i] to be bigger than GTA, in that it would also be the best movie game of all time).

And let's not forget Area 51 and Doom 3's release onto the system. I think it's still putting up a good fight yet.

Also, Microsoft have signed a deal with the Final Fantasy franchise for the XBOX 2. I think these are good signs that the XBOX are going to put up a good fight.

[Kamuro]

I didn't really mention XBOX in the previous post because the thread is based on nintendo, but I do agree with Zidargh, XBOX has unbridled potential as far as systems go, a perfect example is Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. As mentioned before in another thread its gotten excellent ratings, some of the best ever. I'm not much of a fan of thir-person shooters, so I probably won't buy it, however, it is one of the highest rated games of the year. I believe XBOX has contracted with the Final Fantasy series because it has yet to really explore its RPG capabilities. I enjoyed Fable a lot, although it wasn't that great as far as story, but there was so many things you could do, it was fun. I also enjoyed Morrowind, although the world was huge and the game was quite tedious, its almost impossible to stop playing. The next installment of the XBOX will probably surpass whatever Nintendo and Sony have in mind.

From another POV...Halo 2 sucked, thanks :catgirl:

[2010DigitalBoy]

I do not believe that any of the systems are going to die.

First: Xbox: Even if the Xbox 2 doesnt sell overly well, they could lower production rates and try to make less so that they sell everything. Its not like Microsoft is going to go out of bussiness!

Second: PSP: No it hasn't sold overly well yet, but with the high reviews its getting, it could pick up. Once it hits online there is going to be a lot of favor toward it. There is the price point, but this wont matter to the older gamers. There is one major problem. There have been 2 stories Ive heard of dead pixels (one here and one from a kid on my bus). This could pose a huge problem if this keeps happening. Im not paying 250 bucks for a system with no screen!

Third: Nintendo: Okay, what the heck are you talking about "struggling to find good titles"? Just because a game isnt good doesn't mean it didn't sell well.
SMS, tWW, and Super Smash Bros have all been mentioned, but lets not forget that in the last year there was Metroid Prime 2, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario 2, Resident Evil 4,and a slew of other great games. One problem is that without online capabilities it doesnt sell well in the multiconsole race, but games like Prince of Persia and Gauntlet and other action games are best on Gamecube because of it's controller.

[James]

[color=#B0251E]Yeah, I think everyone has pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

Saying that Nintendo is going to exit the console business in the next generation demonstrates a couple of things. One, have you read nothing about Revolution? And two, do you know nothing about how Nintendo works as a business?

GameCube sells similarly to Xbox worldwide. Both GameCube and Xbox are significantly behind PS2 in hardware sales.

However, the GameCube business is actually [i]profitable[/i]. The Xbox business is not. The key here is profitability. Do you know that despite the huge difference in sales, Nintendo is still more profitable than Sony? Did you know that it is, in fact, more profitable than [b]most[/b] companies in Japan?

It is consistently rated as Japan's best-run business. It doesn't need to have PS2-beating sales to actually achieve this. It does so by ensuring that all of its ventures deliver a solid return.

Your analysis of GameCube's titles is just wrong on every level anyway. I mean, have you even played most of these games? Have you tried RE4 or DK's Jungle Beat? These games have achieved success on GameCube for a reason - they are [b]good[/b] and even more than that, many of them are the defining titles of the current generation.

In regard to DS...well, it's already been said here. DS sales are as good as anyone could hope, I would say. The fact that DS has been attracting a different audience in general is also a demonstration that Nintendo's message is getting through. Of course, DS could use more good games. And it'll get those within the next few months. But to call it a failure? No.

The fact is, Nintendo is still a highly profitable business. They have billions of dollars in cash sitting in the bank. They own more than 50 companies in Japan alone. They are exceptionally well run and they make healthy profits with all of their key ventures. To suggest that they are going to die is, at the very best, totally inaccurate. ~_^[/color]

[eleanor]

[color=darkslateblue] Nintendo isn't exactly doing super, but they're holding themselves together pretty darn well. All of my 'gamer' friends have the same attitude towards Nintendo: it's lame and all the games they put out are dumb, so Nintendo is going to 'die'. I find it hard to imagine a huge company like Nintendo falling, so... *shrug*

I'm not exactly a huge gaming person... I only own about seven games, tops. But from all the things I've heard (whether or not they're accurate I'm not sure) Nintendo is the only company right now that is really experimenting and exploring. All the games from PS2 and XBox seem to be the same to me: something about some war, 'cool' graphics, or a plotline along the lines of 'cool guy goes and totally wipes out a bunch of bad guys'. Don't wail on me if PS2 and XBox are also putting out some original stuff (..except for their eyetoy or however it's called, and no, I don't count better graphics as really exploring/experimenting). If I'm wrong, I apologize. [/color]

[marking time]

I respect Nintendo and support it for the soul reason that it is the only company that focuses 100% on games. it's console is not a third or fourth most important thing on the list of the company who makes it. while sony focuses on a number of things before its playstation and microsoft being a software giant there consoles do not take priority like the console made by nintendo. Now I am not saying that my system of choice is the game cube just that i respect and will support nintendo as long as gaming is its # 1 priority.
also Nintendo is not going anywhere for awhile. DO you know how much money they have stashed away that is 100% dedicated to games. they may not be selling wel,l but nintendo is sure not losing much money. I highly doubt that nintendo will stop making consoles and hope they do not.

[James]

[color=#D6A204]Also, the simple fact is that they are selling well. They consistently have several million sellers each year. Even on games that sell half a million units or less, they're still often making a profit. So...I don't even know where the idea that they aren't doing well comes from.

I think people get the impression that if [i]they[/i] don't own a GameCube or if their friends don't, that it isn't doing well. But the numbers contradict that.[/color]

[Dragon Warrior]

Wow, such craziness in this thread :P

If one would actually read statistics on the consoles (like Zidargh did and a select few others) you'd learn that not only did the Gamecube sell like a beast along with other consoles like the DS, but Nintendo is still ranked way high up there. If not tied with PlayStation at the moment (or beating PS, since it's a race between the two constantly), it's taking second and there's not a chance that Microsoft can beat them, even with the overrated Halo (which, IMO, gets too much hype for what it actually is).

Nintendo is legend and was around before most gaming systems, especially PlayStation. It has history of classic characters like Mario and Link and those two alone are enough to keep Nintendo on its feet. I don't know who would think Nintendo doesn't stand a chance against PlayStation. PS has great graphics, can play DvDs, and has some nice games--yes, this is true... but Nintendo was recorded for having the [i]best[/i] games on the market (that includes best-selling aside from Halo) as well as having the most revolutionary system out (and I mean the DS). PSP has nothing on the DS and I mean that because the DS has a lot more to offer.

'Nuff said.

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[Wayfarer]

[QUOTE=Zidargh]
The Godfather (Which is [i]supposed[/i] to be bigger than GTA, in that it would also be the best movie game of all time).

Also, Microsoft have signed a deal with the Final Fantasy franchise for the XBOX 2. I think these are good signs that the XBOX are going to put up a good fight.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=1]Okay, so, on the Godfather, Im not so sure about that. I mean, it sort of looks like GTA, but in the '30s, and when Mafia tried that...things got really ugly. Fast. Yes, it looks really good, but I heard (from a fairly reliable source) that Godfather is also coming out on the PS2 or PS3. To get off the subject for a second, on the matter of Halo 3, I think that bungie alienated so many people with that ending (and people seem to whine about the Arbiter a lot) that most people are sick and tired of Halo.

As for the Final Fantasy deal, there will NOT be a Final Fantasy game on the X-box 2 that I know of, the only thing that comes close is the Mist Walker project, which was made by a development team from Square/Enix, and that's so early in development that it could just as easily end up on the PS3 or the Revolution.

All Im saying is that, yes, in the distant future, X-box may have some life left in it, but in their immediate future, a remake of a cheesy 1995 lightgun shooter and one cool RPG may not be enough to guarantee that those two games will even be on an X-box. Especially in the face of the wealth of good PS2 titles (FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts 2, Wanda and the Colossus, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness, etc.) and Gamecube titles (Legend of Zelda, 100 Marios, Kirby, Fire Emblem, etc.) coming out in the near future. Is there hope for the X-box? Well, yes, but is there much hope? Well, no. [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Guest otacon13]

[QUOTE=Bloodseeker]Its no secret that the Gamecube didn't sale too well in the US or Europe. With nothing huge, exclusive, and promising like Halo or Final Fantasy on the Gamecube, and with Nintendo superstars Mario (with his new water pack) and Link (with his new cartoony look) butchered, its no wonders that Gamecube sales were less than Xbox sales and abysmal compared to PS2 sales. In all honesty, I think that Super Smash Brothers Melee, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Prime were the only things that drove anybody outside of hardcore Nintendo fans and a few exceptions to buy the system.

Then along comes the DS, which was just a bad idea. I don't know how sales have been doing for the DS, but I'd be willing to bet that with the awkward touch-screen/traditional button mixtures and a less-than-steller selection of games, sales haven't been doing too well, especially when compared to Sony's hit PSP.

While in another industry altogether, I think that Nintendo's failures can be directly compared to that of the former top superstore, K-Mart. Just like the big fish that was K-Mart wasn't able to modernize with their customers by providing an up to date fashion sense or an adequate and well-organized electronics section, Nintendo hasn't come to realize that family-friendly gaming is not what gamers are looking for anymore. The age where platformers are the top dogs are gone. Much like K-Mart was lost in the information age, Nintendo is lost in this relatively new stream of high-interaction sandbox obsessions among gamers. The DS, Nintendo's attempt at making all of their handheld games an interactive sandbox, is proof of this. Nintendo should have known that a touchscreen combined with the traditional buttons would be awkward, but in their confusion, they seemed to forget common sense.

And like K-Mart, unless Nintendo can bring their merchandise up to date, they'll be the superpower that [i]was[/i].[/QUOTE]

What a fool!Do you seriously think Nintendo is doing horrible.You obviously don't play video games of any kind,and you don't know there history.Back when atari relased the game ET,based off the movie,the video game industry was on the brink of destrution,the game barly sold at all and the made more of that game than there were atari's in existence.Some people called this point in time"the crash".Then came along this company.The name of the company was Nintendo.When the NES was realesed gaming sales sky rocketed.Nintendo saved the gaming industy from distruction.And it is also thanks to Nintendo that sony became the gaming empire it is today.Back when sony was a decent sized company it they where trying to partner with Nintendo in the gaming industry,They where going to make an add on to the SNES.Nintendo turned down there offer because they thought it was a bad idea,it may have been i'm not sure.Then sony eventually made the sony playstation.

So you see,even if you hate Nintendo you should at least show a little respect for the company that saved the industry that you know and love.

oh,and one of sony's up and comin faliures is the $1000 PSX,it's just a PS2 with alot of uneeded hardware.

[Shinmaru]

Let's hold up on the name-calling, everyone. I don't exactly agree with Bloodseeker's sentiment, but there's no reason to call him 'ignorant' or 'a fool' or whatever else. The posts in this thread have been civil, for the most part, and I'd like for it to remain that way. I'd like to go on in life continuing to believe that it's possible to hold a debate without resorting to name-calling. :)

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=otacon13]What a fool!Do you seriously think Nintendo is doing horrible.You obviously don't play video games of any kind,and you don't know there history.Back when atari relased the game ET,based off the movie,the video game industry was on the brink of destrution,the game barly sold at all and the made more of that game than there were atari's in existence.Some people called this point in time"the crash".Then came along this company.The name of the company was Nintendo.When the NES was realesed gaming sales sky rocketed.Nintendo saved the gaming industy from distruction.And it is also thanks to Nintendo that sony became the gaming empire it is today.Back when sony was a decent sized company it they where trying to partner with Nintendo in the gaming industry,They where going to make an add on to the SNES.Nintendo turned down there offer because they thought it was a bad idea,it may have been i'm not sure.Then sony eventually made the sony playstation.

So you see,even if you hate Nintendo you should at least show a little respect for the company that saved the industry that you know and love.

oh,and one of sony's up and comin faliures is the $1000 PSX,it's just a PS2 with alot of uneeded hardware.[/QUOTE]

I didnt see any disrespect to Nintendo in the origional post...

What you're saying Otakon, has nothing to do with how Nintendo is doing now. Just because they saved video games in 1985 doesnt mean theyre still doing well. Just look at SEGA, they were doing almost as good as the Super Nintendo with the Genesis, and now theyre practically gone.

Also, wasnt the PSX a remake of the PS1? Or is it something new from Sony? I have never heard of this PSX.

Look, all of these companies are going to live on. Sony is a powerhouse, Microsoft is the biggest company in the world, and Nintendo is intellegent. There is really no reason to discuss this any longer.

[Desbreko]

[quote name='ThatOneOddDude']Look, all of these companies are going to live on. Sony is a powerhouse, Microsoft is the biggest company in the world, and Nintendo is intellegent. There is really no reason to discuss this any longer.[/quote][color=#4B0082]I agree. All the relevant information on the topic has already been posted (as well as some faulty counter-arguments and flat-out wrong information), and there really isn't anything more to say, so I'm going to close this before it degrades into a bunch of flames.

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