Marilyn Manson

[TheBlackSkater]

[FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]All You Marilyn Manson Lover Come Here. Personaly I Like His Lest We Forget Album[/FONT] :animenose

[Guest sageofdeath1]

Yea Lest We Forget was awesome in my opinion. I woulo dhave loved for something new, but it was better than nothing. i cant wait for his new album to come out. i havent heard much about it but its supposed to be about medieval times and the black plague.

[mr.magoo1]

well not the best ive ever hear

[TheBlackSkater]

Well Its the only cd i have of him, i never heard any of his old cds.

[Kamuro]

Well, for all he Manson lovers that actually do check out this post, you should say why you like Manson because personally I don't find him all that great. His music is ok, but a lot of it is slow and just him in his solemn weird voice. It just seems hes trying a bit hard to be different and/or "weird" so that people are drawn to him from curiosity rather than musical talent.

[TheBlackSkater]

I do Love Manson. I got into him when i saw his Beautiful People song in Concert. It was Crazy and weird! I guess thats why i decided to buy his cd. it was different and i like different. his cover songs of sweet dreams and tainted love are pretty good. some of his songs are slow and some arent. I find him and the band very talented. Manson's voice is weird just like the lead singer from The mars Volta. I dont know why i really like him, i just do and i dont seem to have a problem with it. although it does give something to think about now.

[Annie]

[color=darkgreen]I, for one, adore Marilyn Manson. His music is beautiful, and his lyrics happen to conjoin with truth. Aside from his music, Marilyn is highly intelligent and is quite civil (despite what [i]many[/i] people think). I find Marilyn intriguing in the fact that he is very eccentric and has this sort of mystery. I find him attractive in this way, and would [insert what you like here] myself if he ever approached me. He's intimidating and scary, but that is what I find fascinating. How someone can scare me, yet lure me in; with both amazing vocals, lyrics, and music, and eccentric sexuality.

Oh, I have two of his albums. I have [b]Mechanical Animals[/b] and [b]Golden Age of Grotesque[/b]. Both have great songs. [b]Lest We Forget[/b] is a CD of his greatest hits. And, I was informed that "Personal Jesus" can only be found on that CD. Which is too bad; I don't want to buy that album if I already have 2 CDs that half of the songs came from :p However, I definitely suggest MA and GAoG for every one of you fans.[/color]

[Semjaza]

I hope the people who have cited Lest We Forget actually own something beyond that... It's just a Greatest Hits album lol.

Personally, I love Marilyn Manson. You do get a lot of crap for it from people who claim to know more about music than you do, but what can you do about it? I used to get upset about it, but I figured out long ago that it really doesn't matter. I enjoy the music and I get what is trying to be accomplished. I don't think the latter is true of a majority of people, they just make a conclusion based on assumptions, rumors and a single or two.

Marilyn Manson was my favorite group for a long time (excluding single musicians such as David Bowie or Beck). I don't know if they still hold that position, but they're definitely very, very high up there. We get into this every few months it seems and I mention the same points over and over again. I'll just try to keep it down for once.

I love the sound. People want to dismiss the band quickly because of assumed themes and topics or what they believe the image itself is. Regardless, each and every LP has been substantially different from the last both in playing and writing style. The band, although ever-changing, is extremely versatile. Going from industrial metal to hard rock to glam rock and then into whatever else is not exactly something I would consider easy. I don't take their various changes very lightly in any sense. Hell, even as a huge fan, I find myself put off by every new release of theirs until I get used to it. You never wind up with what you're expecting, I find.

Personally, I adore the image. Marilyn Manson almost single-handedly brought showmanship back into rock that wasn't purely ridiculous like it was with groups such as Gwar. There are lavish productions, huge costume changes and god knows what else that change for each and every tour. He's one of the best theatrical performers around as far as I'm concerned.

The band has also almost single-handedly kept the concept album alive in modern rock. Certainly more bands have done concept type albums during the time of Marilyn Manson, but I don't feel any other group has pushed it to this extent and developed it so completely. The only comparable artist to this effect, that I can think of, was David Bowie. The man developed complete personas that appeared and sang in the albums. They had their own look, desires and voice. That isn't very easy to do. Marilyn Manson has echoced this in a far darker light, overall, although similar themes (such as drugs) do exist. There's actually a site out there that catalogs the references and implications in the words and image of Marilyn Manson and it's really just insane. There's just so much to it.

This is why I don't understand the general comparisons to Kiss and/or Alice Cooper in this sense. Their image was arbitrary. It was based on nothing and existed simply to exist. Certainly they had good songs and people enjoyed the image, but it was never even remotely comparable with the things Bowie and Manson have projected over the years. I think that's extremely commendable.

Of course, some people don't want to look past what they think is there. I can't tell you how many people give me absolutely ridiculous reasons as to why they hate the group. If they don't like the sound or are completely put off by the theme, then that's cool. I certainly don't expect most people to be interested even after giving the group a fair chance. It's just rather unlikely.

However, I don't think that many people can truly make that conclusion because they never have anything to support it. There is certainly more to the image and sound than most people are willing to discover (particularly because some people seem to think the themes and image have been the same since the Antichrist Superstar days). I don't know how many opinions I can value when I read stuff that says something to the effect of "Marilyn Manson sucks so bad, I'd rather play Drowning Pool...." I have to wonder exactly what they have bothered to try fairly ( did read that somewhere too, I still can't believe that, especially because the implication was that Drowning Pool was sucky and predictable as it was).

In any case, I know a decent amount of people here respect my opinion on music. Yet, I expect very few of them have bothered to look more into this group regardless of how much praise I lavish upon them. I think a lot of this has to do with assumptions and not what's actually there. It's a shame. The ideas that got the band popular in the 90s are biting them in the *** now... but I still enjoy everything about them.

[quote name='x kakashi x']Well, for all he Manson lovers that actually do check out this post, you should say why you like Manson because personally I don't find him all that great. His music is ok, but a lot of it is slow and just him in his solemn weird voice. It just seems hes trying a bit hard to be different and/or "weird" so that people are drawn to him from curiosity rather than musical talent.[/quote]

I'm wondering how much of their music you've actually heard if you think most (or even " a lot") of it is "slow". I don't know what you mean by "just him". He is the vocalist, there's little reason for anyone else to sing along (although some songs feature gospel singers and Personal Jesus has a back-up vocal from the bassist).

As for the latter comment, who knows. I don't think the guy himself is trying particularly hard at all (especially in the derrogatory sense you're implying here), he just does what he does. Certainly it can be simply described as "weird", but considering the large amount of research and thought that goes into the writing and image on and off-stage, I don't think it's that clear cut. Of course, most people aren't willing to go that far, as I've said.That's their choice, so what can be said past that? :animeblus

[Guest Sean]

[COLOR=Purple][SIZE=1]Marilyn Manson, now, I have to go with Tony on this one, I do hope you have more than just that album, it is a good sum up, I think there should have been at least two other songs added to it.

Now Marilyn Manson got his name from Marilyn Monroe, and Charles Manson, I think those were the two, correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't gotten the concept of these two names together, but now I see him as Marilyn Manson.

Now onto his music, it is obvious that he is [i]usually[/i] religous based, from 'Disposable Teens' to 'The Love Song'. His music is very inspiring, and quite influencial towards other bands, and artists. I for one see him, not as much a role model, but someone's opinions who match up with my own.

It's scary to think that his music is still thought of as 'satanist' music, but well, the whole 'people that wear black' thing is still thought of a satanist figure so what can you do? Marilyn Manson deserves more recognition in the world as a whole, not just in the 'goth' world.

God I hate using labels.

[b]EDIT[/b]: I have Mechanical Animals, Holy Wood, and Lest We Forget - which I got for Personal Jesus. XD!![/SIZE][/COLOR]

[James]

[color=#D6A204]Hm, I'm not sure how I can sum it up better than Tony. Tony and I have had a few discussions about Manson in the past (including most recently due to my RPG and stuff). But I've always known that Tony was the one person I could discuss Manson with on a deeper level - a bit like Matrix, there don't seem to be a lot of fans around that really have a deep appreciation. At least, that's been my experience.

My first experience with Manson was with the Antichrist Superstar album, but at that time I wasn't very fond of the sound. However, Beautiful People was pretty appealing - and it still is, really.

I really decided that I liked the band when Mechanical Animals was released. It was the first Manson album that I bought. I really liked both the sound and the image. As Tony accurately suggests, Marilyn Manson is really such a great fusion of visual art and sound - I love the fact that the visual image [i]isn't[/i] arbitrary. I love the fact that each of Manson's eras relates directly to the type of music being produced by the band at the time.

Everything from Mechanical Animals onwards has really impressed me, honestly. Holy Wood and Golden Age of the Grotesque are uniquely different in and of themselves, but nevertheless, I love both albums.

I also purchased Lest We Forget and that prompted me to go back in time and look at some of the older stuff that I'd missed. Tony helped me with this, by sending me some stuff from Portrait of an American Family. Dope Hat is now one of my all-time favourite Manson tracks, lol. Such brilliant lyrics, such a fun and twisted little song.

So yeah. I don't know what else can be said, really. The more I discover, the more I adore the band.

If you have an interest in learning about the deeper aspects of Marilyn Manson, you should [url="http://www.nachtkabarett.com/"]visit The Nachtbarett[/url]. I haven't seen a better resource anywhere online when it comes to discussions of symbolism and the meanings behind Marilyn Manson's art.

If that resource doesn't help you to appreciate his art, nothing will. ~_^[/color]

[Semjaza]

I heavily suggest giving Antichrist Superstar another try, if you haven't already. It wasn't my very first exposure to the band, but it was the first album of theirs I bought way, way back. I wound up buying it three separate times (gave it away twice) before I really sat down and realized how damn good it was. The layering of sounds on that album is phenominal. Most would consider it their best work, it seems.

As for Personal Jesus... I'm not quite sure why people are that into it. It's a very basic cover, I think, and adds very little to the original song. I enjoy it, but I could never buy an entire album because of it.

Personally, I bought Lest We Forget for the DVD with all their music videos. That and because some of the songs are mastered differently. Beautiful People, for example, sounds totally different during that little instrumental before the chorus than it does on Antichrist Superstar. I'm not sure why it was adjusted.

[James]

[color=#D6A204]I will have to do that, Tony. Of the videos on the DVD...only Beautiful People really appeals to me. The other two tracks don't, although obviously, there's a lot more to the album.

In regard to Personal Jesus, I think the main reason people like it is simply because it sounds wonderful. lol

I mean, his voice is simply perfect for it...and the music is as good as you'd expect it to be. It's just very rhythmic and appealing, I think. I have to admit that I like it more than any of Manson's other covers (although Sweet Dreams would probably come a close second).

Lest We Forget is great, in the sense that it really delivers a few tracks that I've wanted but don't actually own. And of course, having the videos is always going to be a good thing - I was really impressed with the attention to detail on the DVD. And the Personal Jesus video is pretty cool, primarily because it seems the only video that fits within the "Lest We Forget era" (ie: post-Golden Age era).

Do you know anything about the next album, Tony? I've heard nothing about it all, though perhaps it's too early to be asking.[/color]

[TheBlackSkater]

Man, now i cant really say anything deep about Manson now. i only have his greatest hits cd. ill have to go back and buy his old cds. as for his latest one, i have heard nothing about it. i checked Manson's site and it says nothiong about it. but both of you have very good veiws about him and i agree 100%. hopefully io can learn somthing more about him from you both.

[Kamuro]

ahh well, I can't say I've heard nearly as much Manson music as you've had. My friend who loves Manson made me a mix so I can't really even name the songs I've heard or what cd they're from. By no means would I call them bad or not worth listening to. Guess its just a matter of opinion, I just felt so much focus on image was meant to compensate for the actual music. I just wasn't impressed after a lot of the other bands I've heard. And I havn't pursued the music and listened to as much of it as you have because I wasn't drawn to it.

I understand that the music is different considering the album its from and such, but its unrealistic to think that someone would listen to every album of an artist if they listened to the first and didn't like. Maybe its uninformed but it wouldn't make sense considering some bands have been around forever and it would take quite a bit of time to sample songs from each cd and make an informed opinion about them. I've heard what I've heard and I just wasn't blown away like I have been listening to other bands. Just my opinion, not meant to insult Manson or anything.

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Only very, very recently [as in around a month and a half ago] did I really get into Manson. I'd listened to some of it at Tony's site on his Flamplayer for a while, but during a camp I heard "Beauiful People" and thought that I'd seek out some of his music. After a while I got Golden Age Of Grotesque, and now I have 23 of his songs. Not many, I'll grant you, but hey. I enjoy the music. There are some parts of it I really love [his voice in some of them is amazingly awesome], I love guitar parts like in the beginning of s-AINT, or the drum-roll styled parts leading back into choruses. Some of his songs like "The KKK Took My Baby Away" are really slow...but most of his stuff is a decent pace. It isn't fast like Misfits or Lucas, but it is the right pace for the songs, lol.

I haven't looked much into the deeper meanings behind his art or anything like that.... all I am doing is enjoying the music. And thats enough for me, heh. Currently my favourite songs would have to be "Bright Young Things" and "The Nobodies". But it was hard to single them out.[/size]

[Semjaza]

[quote name='x kakashi x'](The post)[/quote]

Sorry, I just didn't want to quote the entire thing. It would be redundant lol. Anyway, I'm happy you posted your side of it because I find people rarely bother. If you're not into it and don't want to pursue it, that's totally cool with me. I'm glad there was at least an attempt on your part (and moreso, from the sounds of it). I think the comment about the slow songs just made me assume you were just making an assumption based off of a song or two like so many people I come across. My apologies.

James, about the new album: nothing. There's no hints on style or anything. The band is still actually touring parts of Europe right now, last I heard. I imagine not much will happen till they all settle down after that.

I'm not even sure of their guitarist as of this point. John5 was the main guitarist on Golden Age, but he was dropped just before Lest We Forget for some reason that has still never been divulged. Right now they have this guy whose name I forget touring with them on guitar; he used to be a member of a band called Fight. Manson has been asked about him sticking around, but he's mostly just said "we'll see how it works out".

The drummer, Ginger Fish, was injured awhile back as well. Unless something changed since then, Chris Vrenna has been playing during the tour. He used to be NIN's live drummer and puts out his own stuff under the name of "tweaker". There's been rumors of him replacing Ginger Fish, but I think they're just assumptions because of Ginger's long downtime. I don't see that happening, but you never know. I never thought Twiggy would leave either.

So yeah, nothing otherwise.

In any case, it's nice to see some people posting in this thread that haven't posted in the past ones. It always seems to be the same few people lol.

[boxybrown305]

[quote name='x kakashi x']Well, for all he Manson lovers that actually do check out this post, you should say why you like Manson because personally I don't find him all that great. His music is ok, but a lot of it is slow and just him in his solemn weird voice. It just seems hes trying a bit hard to be different and/or "weird" so that people are drawn to him from curiosity rather than musical talent.[/quote]
[COLOR=DarkRed]This can be true in the musical sense of [B]Marilyn Manson[/B], however, it is COMPLETELY unfair to judge Manson's ex-guitarist, [B]John-5[/B] *points to banner*. He played for Manson from the [I]Mechanical Animals [/I] tour (but not the CD) through [I]Golden Age of Grotesque[/I]. He most certainly gave Manson a very good edge, but if you remotely appreciate musical talent you MUST listen to [B]John-5[/B]'s album, [I]Vertigo[/I]. It is just amasing.[/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

I ordered Vertigo awhile back off the site. I wound up getting a personalized autographed copy just because I could lol. The packaging is kind of weird and I don't really understand why he is sticking with the whole John5 image (but at the same time, I do, considering that's where most of his fanbase is located as this point -- I doubt anyone that liked him playing KD Lang cares anymore lol).

He really is a versatile guitarist. Vertigo is a fun album with so many different styles within it, all of which are well conceptualized and played. While his work with Manson was very good, Vertigo makes it very obvious that he is much more capable than the sound of Marilyn Manson would have allowed. I mean, I can't think of any bluegrass Manson songs lol. There really isn't a place for more traditional guitar rock within the group either, so it's nice hearing him go nuts and play 1,000,000 notes a minute.

I think all the members are pretty talented, though. Twiggy was often recognized as one of the better bassists around and was continuously nominated for awards with more well-known artists. He was also responsible for a good portion of the music writing.

Madonna Wayne Gacy (aka Pogo) is just an excellent keyboardist and programmer. I find he is often the most underrated within the group because his work isn't at the forefront. However, the ambiance he produces (best examplified on Mechanical Animals, probably) and the background enhancement really adds [i]so much[/i] to the overall sound. I can't imagine the group without him, particularly because he's been around so damn long.

And then Ginger Fish... The guy is freaking insane on stage and probably the most active drummer I've ever seen in my life. His drumkit is pretty freaking huge (some of the pictures are pretty insane), yet he manages it all. I think what I respect most about him is that he knows when [i]not[/i] to play. It might sound strange to some people, but the hardest part about percussion is knowing when not to hit the drums and wait. Anyone can just go nuts.

Skold already has a strong history with KMFDM. Some people don't like him because of it, but I'm finding him to be a very capable bassist. His influenced on Golden Age is pretty freaking obvious, however, and I'm hoping the next album won't subscribe to those KMFDM-style sounds as much.

In other news, Area 51 is hitting Xbox and PS2 next week. I've personally been looking forward to this game for quite some time (it just looks like it is right up my alley and the demo was fun). I only mention it because Marilyn Manson voices the main alien character in the title.

[Kamuro]

I always post my opinion, even if it does cause a little controversy, as you can see, me getting bashed in the slipknot post lol. I really know nothing about John-5 so I couldn't really say whether I liked him or didn't like him. Its hard to actually pick out a certain guitarist in a song and listen to the actual tabs he/she is playing so its hard for me to comment.

[foxfire_2008]

I personally think that Marilyn Mansion has good music, but in my opinion he really needs to slow down on the make-up and clothing, it's just to much.

[Sea Of Chaos666]

I saw him in consert. He is so good. It stricks me creppy though because My friend thinks he is hot...*shivers* But it's not my place, that's her opinion and other peoples beacause I think he is getting married soon...

[Xyandar]

I have all of his albums and DVD's. I also have alot of posters of him. Even a wallpaper for my wall:O. He's an amazing person. I have his autobiography book and that really got me interested in him because i found out how he lived as a child.

[boxybrown305]

[quote name='x kakashi x']I always post my opinion, even if it does cause a little controversy, as you can see, me getting bashed in the slipknot post lol. I really know nothing about John-5 so I couldn't really say whether I liked him or didn't like him. Its hard to actually pick out a certain guitarist in a song and listen to the actual tabs he/she is playing so its hard for me to comment.[/quote]
[COLOR=DarkRed]I never meant to bash you. In fact i fully agree with you about Manson, that his n\music is pretty basic. All i was talking about was John-5, his ex-guitarist, who is a truly amazing guitar player.In fact, i recommend getting his CD Vertigo. You would never expect from listening to Manson just how good he is, and like NPC said he plays everything from bluegrass to heavier guitar. And he has essentially no lyrics (it's all just damn good guitar playing) so it isn't hard at all to focus on guitar, because it's pretty much all there is. I've heard that there are tons of people who love John-5 based on their music prefference. People who like classic rock, hardcore/heavy metal, basically anything that involves a guitar love John-5.

As for Slipknot, i agree with you there too actually, Slipknot should stick with what their best at. But this isn't the place for that. So, yeah, i'm sorry i never meant to bash against you or anything.[/COLOR]

[Kamuro]

I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned the bashing, just most people in the slipknot post. Even if your opinion is different, at least you express it in a well-mannered way. Some people just come into a post and insult a person with a different opinion then their own.

[Hevn]

[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][SIZE=1]I first saw Marilyn Manson a long time ago in some magazine and damn, was I scared of him. The rumors on satanism and all that added to my fear of him. lol

But then, with a lot of people talking about it here (particularly Tony, James, and Alan), I gave it a shot. I listened to a few songs and fell in love with "Rock is Dead" first. I listened to a few more and ended up liking each song that I downloaded. Unfortunately, Lest We Forget is the only available copy that I can find. I'm still out searching for the rest of his CDs.

Right now, his style fascinates me and I just have to learn a more about the music, the style and everything else.[/SIZE][/COLOR]