Love in Action... or not?

[sakurasuka]

[CENTER][SIZE=1]I apologize, but I basically skimmed through most of the posts. After four or five, I just couldn't stand people bashing Christians anymore. You may call THEM sick (And they most certainly are!!!) but none of you have any right to put down my religion.

This is most certainly a cult and should be investigated and shut down.
[quote name='shinji172's brother']Christianity is the evil, not homosexuality!!!! [/quote]
*Shakes head at the utter ignorance in that quote*[/SIZE][/CENTER]

[Renegade Minx]

[CENTER][B][COLOR=RoyalBlue][SIZE=1]I find that to be sick beyond all reason. I don't blame the Christian religion, though. Some people, be they Christian or not, will be disturbed by the entire subject of Homosexuality.

However, in this case, Christianity seems to be the dominant reason for his going there, which is pathetic. Zach is what he is, and if his parents don't like that, there's really not much they can do. Speaking as a person with a few homosexual friends, there are very few people that would become straight merely because they are forced to wear clothes people think they wouldn't, or they are forced to cease practically all human contact. That, to me, is the most peculiar "treatment" I can think of.

Want to help Zach? Then accept him for what he is. That's my advice to his 'rents...[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER]

[Sara]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][CENTER][SIZE=1]I apologize, but I basically skimmed through most of the posts. After four or five, I just couldn't stand people bashing Christians anymore. You may call THEM sick (And they most certainly are!!!) but none of you have any right to put down my religion.

This is most certainly a cult and should be investigated and shut down.

*Shakes head at the utter ignorance in that quote*[/SIZE][/CENTER][/QUOTE][color=#6699CC]If you had read further, you would see that most of those subsequent posts did make a distinction between the group in question and Christians at large. (I'm not reproaching you, but letting you know that most of the people here are intelligent enough to realise that Love in Action's [i]Refuge[/i] camp does not represent the views of all Christians.) And I do understand how that angered you--being misrepresented (and having people believe that you fall under that misrepresentation) sucks.

Zach (the boy whose blog was linked) apparently attended the two week camp, and is now attending the six-week "extension."

What continues to... baffle me, really... is what I stated in my first post. I cannot believe that any youth would be sent to this camp [i]with his parents' consent[/i] or approval.

The camp "treats" things such as drug abuse, promiscuity, and homosexuality. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that the three are lumped together.[/color]

[James]

[QUOTE=Retribution][SIZE=1]Tolerance, hm? Whatever happened to [i]accepting[/i] human beings? Ahh, I'll stop preaching now.

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[color=#332E1D][font=franklin gothic medium]Just out of my own curiosity, how do you seperate those two words?

I choose not to say "acceptance" because there are still people around who believe that the Earth is flat and only 2,000 years old. Such people will never accept anything to the contrary; I would doubt whether many of them are even capable of it.

I instead say "tolerance", because I think that it's possible to treat people equally and to tolerate differences between each other without necessarily accepting someone else's religion/political beliefs/whatever. Clearly, homosexuality isn't the same as either of those things, but still, I think a general "tolerance" is all one can realistically hope for.[/color][/font]

[Boo]

[quote name='Sapphire Flare']Yes, you'll see in the OLD TESTAMENT of the bible that any man caught sleeping wtih another man as if he was a woman should be stoned. But thanks to jesus dying and the fact that we are more civilized means that we don't have to stone them.[/quote]

[color=gray][size=1]You had to stone them if they did not love eachother. At the end of the roman empire for one, a lot of orgies were held in which men had to one another without loving, mostly even[i]knowing[/i], eachother. This is wrong, not men who love other men, or are just attracted to them.

You can read the bible in many ways. Some just seem like to pick out the ones that can be read very negative.[/color][/size]

[Darker Alucard]

Extremely outrageous. In this world peopled should get that there is no "Wrong way" Being gay is as Right as beeing Hetero. besides the bible was written by men sinfull man. and thye new testament was written by people who were born after jesus died. Like people call Hetero people Straight. i''m hetero and i find this to be disgusting. I'm atheist i couldn't care less for the bilble. anyway that's what beeing chrisstian is totaly outrageous and overthrown.

[Boo]

[quote name='Darker Alucard']Extremely outrageous. In this world peopled should get that there is no "Wrong way" Being gay is as Right as beeing Hetero. besides the bible was written by men sinfull man. and thye new testament was written by people who were born after jesus died. Like people call Hetero people Straight. i''m hetero and i find this to be disgusting. I'm atheist i couldn't care less for the bilble. anyway that's what beeing chrisstian is totaly outrageous and overthrown.[/quote]

[color=gray][size=1]What the hell are you saying? I really think you should read through the thread once and work on your punctuation. I didn't get a thing of what you said except that you see the bible and all the christians altogether as [color=red]EVIL!!![/color]
Think before you open your mouth, this is just bullsh.[/color][/size]

[Darker Alucard]

I wrote that being christian is outrageous? sorry i was really sleepy. it's not but the teachings of the bible don't teach you morally correct. it's not just homosexuality issue is many other. try to read the bible. twice. and they are a little [COLOR=DarkRed]EVIL[/COLOR]

[Hevn]

[quote name='Darker Alucard]I wrote that being christian is outrageous? sorry i was really sleepy. it's not but the teachings of the bible don't teach you morally correct. it's not just homosexuality issue is many other. try to read the bible. twice. and they are a little [COLOR=DarkRed']EVIL[/COLOR][/quote]
[SIZE=1][COLOR=#DC9B99]The Bible isn't evil. Often, the teachings just doesn't apply today anymore. Also, some people just tend to rebel and does not want to follow what it says, therefore saying that it's evil. That's pretty lame.. I'm thinking you're saying it's evil because of that reason. Otherwise, please show me a verse or two where you can prove that it is even a bit evil.

People tend to misunderstand the Bible. I think that's why people from this Love in Action camp do those horrible things. They take it too literally, instead of applying it appropriately to today's issues and stuff. I think the teachings should be flexible because this is an ever changing world we are living in.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[elfpirate]

[font=Comic Sans MS][b]Firstly, I apologise if I repeat what other people have written already on this topic, as I only skimmed the responses.

This is what I was taught was the meaning of "Taking the Lord's name in vain". When the church decides to criminalise people in the name of God.

And that is precisely what this group is doing. They are treating their "clients" like prisoners ...and like trainable beasts, under the guise of righteousness. They even take away inalienable human rights and needs, such as contact and communication. It's not very different from solitary confinement and torture. To break someone's will, you take away the things that make them a person--their self-expressions and their voice, as well as their freedom to make choices.

These are the same kinds of tactics used by military personnel for interrogation and by abusive partners/parents for power and control. They are brain-washing tactics, and I do not doubt that these tactics were researched and implemented by the developers of this program for exactly that purpose... to brainwash the poor souls into believing that they've been "cured" of their "sinful sexual deviance".

Personally, if I were forced into that "camp", I'd be happy to go to jail for assaulting the first person that tried to enforce those inhumane rules. At least you're allowed to speak to your cellmates in jail...:animesigh
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