Just a lil sumthin sumthin

[Lostcause]

As all can tell, I am a New member to the boards. Now, what really ticks me off, is the fact that many of us new people are extremely critized because of our titles. For instance, i had a fellow OB member who happend to be new also. She decided to sign up for a thread. The accpeted her, but then again, after they recieved two more membes, not new members, but veterans, she was then told she had been removed from the thread. NOW DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT TO YOU. I mean to take a stand for all New members here at OB. I believe that although we may be new, many of us posses the talent to be accepted into higher up threads. This whole issue with stereotyping new memebers seems to get me off on the ticked side of things.
I believe I make very good posts within the thread i am within. Nature and Necro, if you all want to check it out. In fact, I am online a great deal of the time, and wish to expand on the story, and write more, but I do not want to push away all the other players by being too dominaint. So, in the end, just please understand that not all New members lack the potential "required" to be within some threads.
Leave your comments on this issue. I just felt it needed to be brought to everyones' attention.

And for those stereotyping people out there, exactly how many posts must we make to be considered good enough? (how many posts to be members instead of New members?)

[grecords]

[size=2]Stereotyping is going to be constant in life no matter where you are so I wouldn't let it get to you. New members will be considered "noobs" for a while but if you continually provide posts with quality then eventually most will grow to accept you. Those who may label you due to the "new member tag" aren't people you want to be concerned about anyway.[/size]
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[size=2]I admit though I'm also curious as to when the "new member" tag will go away. And whether it has to do with time spent on the forums or the quality/quantity of posts. If its based on quantity then I'll be a new member for a while I'm afraid :laugh: [/size]

[Sui Generis]

[COLOR=Indigo][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]Well I wouldn't go as far to say that people don't consider you because you're a new member. Honestly, if Otakuboards and its fellow members really despised new members, would we really even allow registration?

Using your friend who got kicked out of a thread really isn't a good idea. The simple fact is (assuming you're talking about RPG's) other better people could've come into the scene. It could merely be coincidence that the two other people are "Veterans" as you put them. You don't even take into account that maybe your friends sign-up or whatever, was really that good, perhaps she broke a rule, or perhaps as I said earlier the other two posters were better. *Shrugs* You yourself are making quite a big stereotypical argument when you say that the entire OB community is stereotyping.

The whole idea that post quantity makes you a good member is completely ridiculouse. I mean an example of this would be an old member name Thimoc; he had a huge post count, but really it was all spam, and eventually he became banned. Post quantity doesn't show much, but perhaps how much you like the site. What will earn you respect on this site would be post quality. If you or your friends put true effort in your threads then you'll be accepted even if you only have 3 posts.

I've been here for quite some time, god knows how long, and I can't really think of major instances of true stereotyping. I mean we've had our waves of seriouse spam fests, but we still allowed "n00bs" ,as some say, to keep coming. I'm not going to go as far and say that every person on OtakuBoards doesn't stereotype, because well thats a flat out lie. However, I will say that the problem is not as bad as you may want to think it is.

Besides every person on this place has been a "n00b" once in their life, trust me I was a horrible "n00b"..I would throw one or two sentence posts out there for a while, but I learned the ropes and began to actually think about what I was posting. I would provide something more that "W00t tat wuz s000 cul!"

If you truly want to take a stand for all the new members of OB then take the correct stand. Encourage everyone to make quality posts, and make them yourself. Not only would you lessen the stereotype you claim there is, but you'd also encourage people to make this a better board.

In no way am I saying you're a bad poster, or that new people are bad posters, but it may take some people time to realize whats going on, and why don't you help them out?

Its been stated for as long as I've been here; OtakuBoards is a community. All of the moderators encourage people to PM them with any questions they have about anything what so ever, and every single member would be willing to help out a "n00b" or veteran a like. Give OB a chance, and we'll give you a chance!!

Its an intersting thought though; I remember I used to think the samething when I was a "n00b." In any case I hope things turn better for you at OtakuBoards this place is ment to be fun, hope you realize that.[/font][/COLOR]

[Ozymandius Jones]

[COLOR=DarkOrange]To be a member instead of a new member is 50 posts or so.

And generally, the only thing people can be "removed" from threads is in RPGs...in which case it's merely going with someone who's posting quality you KNOW you can trust vs. a virtual [no pun intended] stranger. It's not so much stereotyping as looking at post quality and going with the familiar over the wild card.

EDIT: Ah, the old "posting while someone else is writing a response" game...how I love it...[/COLOR]

[Lostcause]

I myself believe i make resonably good quality posts. I do not wish to start a fight, or any argument for that matter. I just wished to put out the question. I find though that the stereotyping is there. I might just be selecting the wrong RPG's to enter myself into, but it seems to me to be a constant theme.
I also understood the fact that once everyone was a "noob". I hold nothing against these people, and I do not look down on any experienced OB member at all. It's just the fact that I commonly run into those people who do such things over and over.
Also for the record, never did I say i supported posts that held no meaning. I do understand that fact. But, maybe I am stereotyping myself. I had hopes that most New members would realize that low quality is not worth being posted some times. Maybe I am wrong there. And I do understand where most people are coming from when talkin of experience. But I also understand that without being able to post, and without being able to post, say within an RPG, you can never gain the experience needed to move up. Yes, you can post in mass quanities, and I do not wish for anyone to spam, to raise your rank. But for me, I look a it as I am going to make every post worth it. I am going to put my heart and soul into creating characters, making comments, and also continueing on a story line within an RPG.
I had hopes that I would not be outnumbered in my effort to make this problem realized. But I find that I to am some what of a stereotype, hoping that all "noobs" had the same understanding as I towards OB. So, I do apologize for making such lude comments towards Members, and for giving possibly too much credit to New members. But I still do stand my ground. I believe that it is wrong, and I wish for it to go away. Thank you though, for atleast discussing this problem and taking a stand. I respect that.
~Lostcause

[Sui Generis]

[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][color=indigo]Don't worry I wasn't angry nor offended by your post, so really you don't have to apologize. You were stating your opinion in a calm manner, and thats what this board is for. So please don't apologize for stating something.

However, to be honest, "post quality" is a lot about appearance. Not to pick on you, but for instance if you were to break apart the one long post you just made, and put it into different paragraphs it would: not only make it easier to read, but make it look a lot better.

In no way was I saying that you do not hold yourself accountable when posting, nor was I saying that you are trying to make bad posts, I'm simply saying that the best way to raise your "status" around here is by posting well and encouraging others to post well. As I said I'm not stating that there is no stereotype, I'm just saying that perhaps its a lot less than you think.

I do agree with you on the fact that you need to post to get better, but you get your chances. For instance, before you sign up for an RPG read the other sign-ups in the thread look at how they posted it; the format they used, and how much detail they put into it. Generally the people that get accepted have a very well thought out character, and have put a lot of effort into it.

In truth as long as you continue to try and atleast study others post you will get better, and as you continue to progress you will be able to post more and more. I am imprssed that you recognize that post qauntity doesn't mean anything really. I know members that are better posters to me, yet to my 2000+ posts they only have say 500.


However, right now you aren't outnumbered in your stand. If you look at the thread so far I'm the only way "against" you (if you want to look at it like that).

Like I said before, new members are welcomed to otakuboards and every new person brings a different spice to the table. The newer members just need to remember that effort is required sometimes. While most of the boards seem really laid back the RPG forums are probably some of the best RPG forums around. There is no doubt about that, so there is heavy competition to get into the threads. So unfortunatly it will naturally be a little harder to get into, seeing the qaulity that is expected.

Please do not stop altogether, just keep at it. Write on your own time, and make up your own RPG's. You'll get there in no time, trust me.


Edit: Oh don't you love that Ozy? Heh. [/color] [/FONT]

[Domon]

[SIZE=1]Okay, so your friend got kicked out of what most likely, and I'm going with other people on this, was an rpg in the Adventure Arena... Hmm. Many reasons for that happening. I'll explain.

The rpg creator was taking applications for the rpg and from those applications sorted out who he/she thought would be more reliable in the mentioned rpg. This is usually done with most rpgs unless the creator is willing to trust people that he/she has never rped with. With that in mind I can only assume that the thread was done by a very cautious rpg maker and I can understand from the creator's point of view. First off your friend is new to the boards and the creator has never rped with this person and doesn't know how reliable the person would be. Secondly, the rpg creator probably had already decided who would be in the rpg before your friend had signed up, believe me it happens, a person will sign up for an rpg even after the person has said the sign ups are closed. Thirdly and this goes back to the first reason. There was no prior rpgs that your friend had participated in so the creator had no idea what to expect.

Also, I'd like to say that there is a difference between a newbie and a comeplete n00b. Newbies are people who, like yourself have decent post quality without a lot of errors and are willing to obey the rules and face the consequences. n00bs are total jerks who have no regard for the rules and type like this: Sumthin tat jezt hrts ur eyz 2 sea. Okay that's n00b jibberish and most people have to take a four year class to learn to understand...wait a second..son of a gun I wasted $50,000.00 on a class that doesn't exists!! >_>;;

In closing

n00bs=bad news
Newbies=people with potential.

So newbies are treated like they have uber potential while a lot of people just stare at the annoyance known as a n00b.[/SIZE]

[Akieen Cloud]

Me personally I hate the terms 'newbie' and nOOb'. I think the'yre stupid, they make people feel low, and unwanted. I never call a person who just joined a 'nwebie' or whatever. I'm a long term member, I have been on for a while, about two years, and I still don't know things about this place. But to call someone a Newbie is degradeing. I don't so it because I know how it feels, everyone here does. I have never 'kicked' someone off an Rp, though I haven't had many.

I know my-self that it does have alot to do with quality. I'm not on anyone's side here and I am a nutral, I'm just stating the opinion.

Here it's quality over everything. An Rp has to have a good background, and the thought. A person who writes school time letter per-say, would be better off writeing topics here in Otakuounge, where as someone with a BIG imagination, and a knack for writeing can get an RP started with NP. But the biggest thing is quality. How you write, the emothion you put into it, the ideas, the goals, everything. What makes a good book, is the passion of the writer. Just like what makes a good Rp, the passion of the people in it. If someone seems like they don't have the heart or the passion for the story, alot of the times it will come out in their character, and a new member can easily be mistaken as one of these people, not knowing really what to do they jump in with no life ring. I did. But instead of just going off and posting, I hung out and read what everyone else was doing, how they wrote and how they created their stories and characters, I experimented with things and got better. I tried a few stories of my own and not alot of them worked. I join, I normally don't write, adn the one's I do moslty don't hit it off. It's chance too. I mean the whole sterotype thing...I don't like it anymore then the newer members do, but it's something that happens. It happened to me, it happened to alot of the ones here. The worst thing you can do is make a huge fuss over it. Just like school, only here you get kicked off, not suspened.

But the thing with your friend, it could have been chance that she was kicked off, maybe the person wanted more discription, like alot of us here have said..alot of it is in the quality of the post. Just casue you think you make good quality posts doesn't mean they are for someone else. They may be to long, or even to short...you never know. But I wouldn't jump to sterotyped to quicly, not here anyway...

[Raiyuu]

[font=Trebuchet MS]For a more in-depth (and very repetitive, le sigh) discussion of the difference between newbies and n00bs, I would refer you to [thread=47437]this thread[/thread]. (Please don't post in it though, as it's long dead.)

Lostcause, from what I've seen of your posting it [b]is [/b]of high quality, although your point might be backed up a little better if you told us a) who the friend in question is and b) which RPG she got removed from. On what evidence are you basing your assumption that she was removed [b]because [/b]she was a new member?

I won't repeat what everyone else has said about the other possible reasons for her removal...

And yes, as various people have said, fifty posts is the cutoff from New Member to Member. Although we like to discourage people spamming their way to the new title, heh. I'm sure you're not the sort to do that.
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[James]

[color=#332E1D][font=franklin gothic medium]Frankly, if someone rejects you from an RPG because of your title and nothing else...it wasn't worth being in their RPG in the first place. This just means that they don't care about the content of your posts at all, which probably means that their RPG won't be so great anyway.

Honestly, it comes down to what you say - what is contained in your posts. Nobody with any intelligence at all is going to reject you simply for being new. In fact, many members (like myself) strongly value newer members and the things they can offer (in RPGs or elsewhere).

If your spelling is reasonable, if you seperate things into paragraphs (which simply makes your posts easier to read - that's the only reason for having them), you should be just fine. Ignore those who care about titles and instead focus on people who care more about the content of your posts than the other stuff.[/color][/font]

[SpiritWolf]

See, I've never encountered any problems with people looking down upon me for being a new user. As a matter of fact, this is the first I have heard of anyone having a problem. As far as I can tell, it's not something you can generalize. It could be that some people don't like new users, but it's not fair to say that nobody does. Just my two cents.

[Darker Alucard]

The big question is why? you see i'm new too and i stand for that a 18 year old guy, can be more mature than an 40-year old guy. that's why i think a proof of responsiblity should take of your stereo. like your an interior decorator than your gay. your have good grades you don't play games. it is not fair.

[Sapphire Flare]

Yeah that wasn't such a great example, It might be just because the poeple who posted new the person longer than the other person did, I mean you'd have to choose your best friend over a stranger no?

But I can't talk, I'm still a new member too >.<

[quote name=''SpiritWolf'']See, I've never encountered any problems with people looking down upon me for being a new user. As a matter of fact, this is the first I have heard of anyone having a problem.[/quote]

^same, at least, on this board.

[sakurasuka]

[CENTER][SIZE=1]Noone has any problem with new members. Occasionally, people poke fun at 'nOObs'. Mostly they are at those who obviously haven't even glanced at the rules and post things that are offensive or have absolutely no meaning. Those are the only 'newbies' that members of OB seem to have a problem with.

I have not been a member very long comparitively. *Thinks back* Well... I've been a member for almost 8 months now I guess ^_^ I had no problems when I was new (I didn't post much back then. Just mainly in the RPGs I was in) By the time I took full advantage of being a member of OB, my title was already 'Member'.

I hope you see why people don't have much tolerance for the people who blatently disreguard the rules and see that noone has any problem with you. Everyone is friendly here on OB. You'll see once you've been around the block a time or two ~_^[/SIZE][/CENTER]

[Lostcause]

Raiyuu, within the thread, which shall be nameless, my friend, who shall also remain the such, was told she would have to be "dropped" cause the thread-creator stated that she would prefer to " work with experienced OB members"
Thanx for the complemnt too. i dont get those much....

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. It's nice to know that even though I do have a problem, we can all maturely discuss the matter, and others over this forum. I greatly appreciate OB and I thank them for letting us use this space to voice our opinoins. I, myself, am starting to broaden my sights and enjoying all that OB has to offer. Once again, thank you very much for all your thoughts and comments.

[SunfallE]

[QUOTE=Lostcause]Raiyuu, within the thread, which shall be nameless, my friend, who shall also remain the such, was told she would have to be "dropped" cause the thread-creator stated that she would prefer to " work with experienced OB members"
Thanx for the complemnt too. i dont get those much....

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. It's nice to know that even though I do have a problem, we can all maturely discuss the matter, and others over this forum. I greatly appreciate OB and I thank them for letting us use this space to voice our opinoins. I, myself, am starting to broaden my sights and enjoying all that OB has to offer. Once again, thank you very much for all your thoughts and comments.[/QUOTE]

I have never participated in any of the RPG threads myself, but I do agree that the manner in which your friend was told she wouldn't be part of the story was tactless. I've had online stuff I've done where there could only be a limited amount of members or I didn't like the input of one person as it was different than how I wanted the project, so to speak, to go. Personally I try to tell people that either the position is already taken or that I'm changing the story line and want to kill off a character or elimate an aspect of the story. Telling someone that they aren't experianced is a appaling lack of good communication skills in my opinion. Having experiance at being an OB member doesn't automatically mean you are going to be a good contributor to a story.

On the other hand, stick around and I think that like I have you will find there are quite a few amazing people here at OtakuBoards. And how long they have been members will have absoutely nothing to do with it. ^_^