Family members in a warzone?

[Zhara]

:animecry: [COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]Hey, I don't know if this is an okay topic, but I found out that my dad's going to Afganistan, and I wanna know who here has family that's involved in the war, different people's opinions, stuff like that. I'm crying while writing this, it hasn't even been twenty minutes since my dad told me. I'm looking for a little bit of support here, so don't flame me saying stupid stuff like "Your dad is an idiot for going to war, they never did anything to us!". Please, I REALLY don't need that right now. Or ever, in fact.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[r2vq]

I hope your father will return to you safely.
And I'm sure he'll make your country, as well as your family proud.

Though, I have to ask... if he's going to [b]Afghanistan[/b], why is the title War in [b]Iraq[/b]?

-ArV

[Zhara]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]Because everyone knows it as the war in Iraq...So, yeah.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Bloodseeker]

They know it as the war on terror. Try as they might, the government can't get the people to put Osama Bin Laden and the war on terror in the background. This might seem like the idiot nation at times, and in some ways it is, but the government has underestimated its people too much... people here do have memory that spans over 3 years.

Your dad's not an idiot for joining the military. In most cases, they take care of their own. Military people get all sorts of benefits, like cheap or free medical and dental care, and military discounts at various stores. Then there's financial help with college, and experience that can be applied in the civilian world after they leave the military.

[Chaos]

[QUOTE=r2vq]Though, I have to ask... if he's going to [b]Afghanistan[/b], why is the title War in [b]Iraq[/b]?

-ArV[/QUOTE]

Because it's all desert and desolate mountains. It's like one big sandbox for the criminally insane.

I think the "war" was actually pretty good...even though right now it's more of an occupation, but hey, who cares for specifics, right? A shame we didn't do this the FIRST time around, back in the 1940's, but that's a different subject. I personally support the "war" and even though a lot of people protest it, they neglect the fact that our economy has more or less shapened up some since it has began.

I just wish they'd go ahead and nuke the damn place so I can be freed from those idiotic protesters. It's like the old Vietnam rallies, only these make LESS sense.

[Tatsubei Yagyu]

[COLOR=Navy][FONT=Comic Sans MS]I will pray for your father, along with every other soldier/hero out there fighting for peace right now. I'll also pray that he is returned to you safely. ;)

I really wish that the soldiers could come back now... I feel really bad for them and their families that they haven't seen in months/years. :(

At least we can take comfort at the fact that they're fighting for peace. :)[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Darker Alucard]

It's really bad when your father is going to a war scene, even worst if he is a soldier. i will hope that the soldiers could all return safely. although the war is a stupid matter. America (CIA) Trained Bin Laden to be an infiltrated terrorist and now he opened a camp and passed the knowledge. only not infiltrated but fo'real. Now our family men lives are being wasted to clean america's filth. How fair can that be?

[Morpheus]

[quote name='Darker Alucard'] although the war is a stupid matter. America (CIA) Trained Bin Laden to be an infiltrated terrorist and now he opened a camp and passed the knowledge. only not infiltrated but fo'real. Now our family men lives are being wasted to clean america's filth. How fair can that be?[/quote]
This is the crap that Zhara doesn't need to read. You can rant about it all you want, but that won't change anything. [B]We are at WAR.[/B] As stupid as you might think it is, shunning reality will not make it go away. The war would go a lot better if people would stop whining about how we shouldn't have gone and become constructive. When you have the power to withdraw the troops, by all means make an anouncement and pull them out. Until then, stop crying about it and try to help.

[Zhara]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]I may not understand exactly what you meant by saying that Bin Laden was trained by America, but it's absolutely retarded. Why would we "train" him and then just throw him back into the Middle East?

And thanks, Morpheus. I really don't need to read his crap. No one does, ever. I loathe conspiracy theories, and I hate conspiracy theorists. It makes no sense, it's like saying the HIV virus was a bio weapon designed to kill off homosexuals; it makes no sense, and is absolutely not true.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Zeta]

I believe he was trained by the US to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Sorry to hear about your dad, but I am sure he knew what he was getting into when he joined up. You don't join the army and never expect to be called on. That is just my opinion, *shrug*.

[Retribution]

[quote name='Chaos']I just wish they'd go ahead and nuke the damn place so I can be freed from those idiotic protesters. It's like the old Vietnam rallies, only these make LESS sense.[/quote]
[SIZE=1]Yeah! Nuke the whole damn place and kill millions of innocent civilians that want peace just as much as you do! Let's go and destroy the rest of the world with nuclear fallout! See the gap in your logic?

Old Vietnam rallies [I]did[/I] make sense. They were protesting a war that was waged to stop the spread of communism, and prevent the Russians from getting the upper hand in a [B]Cold[/B] War. Note the word Cold. Meaning inactive. Stagnant. Pointless. Not happening. They were protesting a war waged out of the blue, for causes that should've been buried with WWII.

As for the war in Iraq, I don't think it was a good idea, but now we're in there, we need to do all we can to help them out. Which is what we're doing. Trying to empower their police force so that we can pull out, but this isn't going to happen soon. [B]Yay for Bush! The man who entered a war without an exit strategy![/B] Hoorah![/SIZE]

[AnimeFront]

I think we shouild withdrawl, because A. Iraq had nothing to do with 911, as bush says he did. B. i have not heard the name osama bin laden spoken in the war on terror, in 7 months, when he should be the first person to be spoken upon in regards to errorist.

Zhara it sux that u dad is being shiped out, my cousin has seen his son a total of 3days, in his childs life and his son is now 1 and a half years old. I wont be going out for a long time (still tryting to get my wings at pensecola).

[Box Hoy]

I'm sure your father will be alright. The war is starting to die down. If he's in Afgahnistan I'm pretty sure there's less of a chance of anything unwanted occuring.
Just have hope, believe at all times that your father is alright.

[Darker Alucard]

It's not a conspiracy theory. he was trained to kick the crap out of Urss Troopers when they were trying to conquer Afganistan. The Afganistan war shouldn't be over allready? You know The northern Aliance of Afganistan and America did beated the Taliban didn't they? So your father will be allright. why don't they just withdraw anyway? About saying something constructive - Newsflash - nobody did.

[Morpheus]

[quote name='Darker Alucard'] About saying something constructive - Newsflash - nobody did.[/quote]
You're missing the point. Saying that we shouldn't have been there is useless because [B]WE ARE THERE.[/B] There is no changing that. If we should pull out, what is your brilliant exit strategy?

[Raiyuu]

[font=Trebuchet MS]Can we try not to turn a comforting thread into a flame war, please? [b]Darker Alucard[/b], however much truth there is in your statements (and from what I've heard, there is at least [b]some [/b]in there) about Bin Laden etc., bringing all that up in this thread isn't wholly appropriate. Zhara started this thread looking for support and comfort over her father's posting to Afghanistan, and your crowbarring in political rantage doesn't help a massive load :animeswea[/font]

[Zhara]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]Yeah, what Raiyuu said is exactly true...I feel as if I opened up a huge can of worms in trying to get someone with half of a heart to say some inane stupid little thing like,"Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, I wish there was something I could do to help." [B]That's all I wanted.[/B] Seriously, I don't care about the political reasons about why my dad is being shipped out, all I care about is that he [B]is[/B]. [/FONT] [/COLOR]

[vegeta rocker]

hey,

Don't worry abou tyour dad, just be sure to support him. When he comes home and this war is all over; there may be protesters trying to make enemies out of people like your father. Just make sure your dad realizes that you will be there to back him up. Whether you truly support the war or not.

It may make a world of a diffrence if your father can concentrate on his job and not have to worry about what his family thinks of him. Distractions like that can end up costing someone dearly.


Your father will be fine.

[Chaos]

[quote name='Retribution][SIZE=1']Yeah! Nuke the whole damn place and kill millions of innocent civilians that want peace just as much as you do! Let's go and destroy the rest of the world with nuclear fallout! See the gap in your logic?[/SIZE][/quote]


Hah. Right. There is no gap in my logic. First and foremost, we are not fighting an armed militia. We are fighting civilians using subversive tactics. You shoot one, another runs up and grabs the other's gun. They don't want peace, they just want to be left alone, whether it's killing all occupationists or waiting for others to do it.

Secondly, peace is forged from war. There's no way around that. And, subsequently, war comes from peace. It doesn't ever end.

And just so you know, the fallout wouldn't destroy the rest of the world. If you use tactical nuclear strikes in the center of populated areas, and only that, the fallout would be less than the Hiroshima bombing. And do you think the United States will drop a hydrogen bomb over some little town? No, that's not cost effective at all. In fact, we could make do with daisy cutters, and leave all possible radiation problems out. Besides, a desert doesn't have anything to poison from fallout. It would settle deep in the sand that spans for hundreds and hundreds of miles.


[quote name='Retribution][SIZE=1]Old Vietnam rallies [I]did[/I] make sense. They were protesting a war that was waged to stop the spread of communism, and prevent the Russians from getting the upper hand in a [B]Cold[/B'] War. Note the word Cold. Meaning inactive. Stagnant. Pointless. Not happening. They were protesting a war waged out of the blue, for causes that should've been buried with WWII.[/SIZE][/quote]

Yeah, if it was a Cold War, then why are fifty-six thousand Americans on the wall?

Either protecting a free country or stopping or delaying Soviet advancement was key during the time. It's just like today; the public cries out if we don't do anything, and they ***** if we do. Please, leave your bleeding heart ideals at the door.


[quote name='Retribution][SIZE=1]As for the war in Iraq, I don't think it was a good idea, but now we're in there, we need to do all we can to help them out. Which is what we're doing. Trying to empower their police force so that we can pull out, but this isn't going to happen soon. [B]Yay for Bush! The man who entered a war without an exit strategy![/B'] Hoorah![/SIZE][/quote]


Tch. It's people like you who cause the problems in this country. Tell me, do you recall the time you were president and waged war against your enemies flawlessly? I seem to be missing that in my history text.

Do you honestly know how hard it is to be firm and yet just at the same time? Ask Mister Bush, he's certainly been trying.

The Iraqi people could work their own country if they would stop milking this for all it's worth. They could hire private services to train their police and rescue aid departments. They could shape their own government and take matters into their own hands. They could, but they'd rather be lead by hand.

[Zhara]

[COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]-bangs head against keyboard-

WTF, you guys? I did not make this thread so that you political extremists could argue over some stupid war that could quite possibly KILL MY FATHER. Gee, thanks for the support. I swear if this forum was adults only, I'd flame you jerks like crazy. And I would enjoy it, believe me.

Please, PLEASE, leave your ranting about the war to some other thread, one made specifically for that reason. Why, you ask? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. I really don't. I made this thread so that the few of us who still have hearts and/or souls could give me a little comfort before I slit my wrists out of sheer emotional agony.

So this is to all of you who come here with your little rants and snippy little come backs prepared and ready for battle:

LEAVE MY THREAD ALONE SO THAT I CAN BE COMFORTED AND SUPPORTED BY REAL PEOPLE.

Thank you, that will be all.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[r2vq]

Zhara, I know it's hard, and they don't deserve it, but try not to let it get to you.

Some people are jerks and don't understand when there's somebody who is hurting. Don't let these ******** get to you.

Just send your father lots of candy and postcards. And give him two big hugs, one before he goes and one when he comes back.

-ArV

[Chaos]

[QUOTE=Zhara][COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]-bangs head against keyboard-

WTF, you guys? I did not make this thread so that you political extremists could argue over some stupid war that could quite possibly KILL MY FATHER. Gee, thanks for the support. I swear if this forum was adults only, I'd flame you jerks like crazy. And I would enjoy it, believe me.

Please, PLEASE, leave your ranting about the war to some other thread, one made specifically for that reason. Why, you ask? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. I really don't. I made this thread so that the few of us who still have hearts and/or souls could give me a little comfort before I slit my wrists out of sheer emotional agony.

So this is to all of you who come here with your little rants and snippy little come backs prepared and ready for battle:

LEAVE MY THREAD ALONE SO THAT I CAN BE COMFORTED AND SUPPORTED BY REAL PEOPLE.

Thank you, that will be all.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]


...Perhaps you should reread your original post.


[quote name='Zhara]:animecry: [COLOR=Gray][FONT=Garamond]Hey, I don't know if this is an okay topic, but I found out that my dad's going to Afganistan, and I wanna know who here has family that's involved in the war, [u]different people's opinions, stuff like that.[/u] I'm crying while writing this, it hasn't even been twenty minutes since my dad told me. I'm looking for a little bit of support here, so don't flame me saying stupid stuff like "Your dad is an idiot for going to war, they never did anything to us!". Please, I REALLY don't need that right now. Or ever, in fact.[/FONT'][/COLOR][/quote]

I underlined what you need to pay attention to.

Just for the record, I am a real person, at least the last time I checked. I'm not wooden and I don't have any strings, so yeah, I think I'm real.

If it makes you feel any better, I truly do hope your father comes back fine. The odds of him getting injured or whatnot are pretty low, even more so because he's going to Afghanistan.

[Raiyuu]

[quote=Chaos]...Perhaps you should reread your original post...

...I underlined what you need to pay attention to.[/quote] [font=Trebuchet MS]All right Chaos, you've officially overtaken Darker Alucard in the insensitivity stakes. As I stated before, [b]I have no problem with you discussing the war as long as you begin a new thread.[/b] Any more nitpicking and political rantage and I'm going to have to consider closing this thread.

(Zhara, I'm sorry your thread's been overrun by all this. In hindsight perhaps 'The war in Iraq' wasn't the most helpful title - I can change it for you if you like. Fire me off a PM.)

So let's keep this friendly from now on, shall we, people?

[b].:EDIT:.
[/b]I've renamed the thread as per your request, Zhara. Hopefully less people will misunderstand the purpose of the thread.
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[Darker Alucard]

I agree woth rayou i didn't understand it the first place. sorry. I'd pray for you father if i'd believe in any religion... I hope your father and as many soldiers possible can return safe and sound.

[IceRose]

Zhara, your dad will be fine. Spend as much time with him as possible though, so the memories that will hold him and not make him crazy over there are of you and your family.You know that everyone here is wishing you the best and the safety of your father