Does anyone here study true alchemy?

[kenshi112]

I am beginning to study and would like to find out if I'm the only one^^;;

[Harakiri]

i think you are the only one.

[GreatBird]

Theres no such thing :rolleyes:

[AzureWolf]

[COLOR=blue]I think C. J. Jung was the last popular alchemist, so you might want to see his works on the "Alchemy of the Mind." However, speaking from a strictly material position, there are no more alchemists. Jung, however, pushed alchemy into the 20th (and 21st) century by considering the other side of alchemy and showing how alchemical practices and (more importantly) principles are pertinent to the human psyche.

I have this one book called "Alchemical Psychology" by Cavalli (some Jungian Ph.D.) that you might be interested in. To be entirely honest, though, I thought most of the stuff was a load of crock. <_< Still, it was an interesting read, where you really have to be into mixing cultures as well as rational and irrational thinking. So, if you have ground in religion and don't see "the one true faith" as a mix of all other faiths, a lot of the material won't blend easily with you.

If you do have religious ground but still want to try buying into the ideas, it wouldn't hurt to get/have some background on Jung.[/COLOR]

[Godelsensei]

Seeing as you posted this in the A Lounge, I'm assuming you--and correct me if I'm wrong--watch Full Metal Alchemist.

[i]That isn't alchemy.[/i]


Also, kiddo, if you honestly believe you can turn lead/urine/babies into gold, all the more power to you, but I wouldn't go around [i]trying[/i], you know?

[GreatBird]

Alchemy does not exist if you do look into alchemy you are extremly desperate.

[PWNED]

Alchemy is just fooling over people by saying that you can change one thing into another, simple as that. It is impossible to even do so you're wasting your time.

[Hayama]

I always saw alchemy as sort of a precursor to chemistry. There was 'real' alchemy but it was basically medieval scientists playing around with chemicals and stuff in hope of living forever or making gold. They failed... but it did help people understand chemicals better. They had symbols for elements like lead and gold too. It was SORT of like fullmetal alchemist but not exactly.

I don't think you can draw a circle on the ground and fix stuff (but if you want to try go for it! :animesmil ). I think that chemical equations and atoms are the stuff of "alchemy" now. Chemistry is actually one of my favorite subjects and I do think all those transmutation circles look cool! I don't think Alchemy is real though.

[GTK]

[QUOTE=Hayama]I always saw alchemy as sort of a precursor to chemistry. There was 'real' alchemy but it was basically medieval scientists playing around with chemicals and stuff in hope of living forever or making gold. They failed... but it did help people understand chemicals better. They had symbols for elements like lead and gold too. It was SORT of like fullmetal alchemist but not exactly.

I don't think you can draw a circle on the ground and fix stuff (but if you want to try go for it! :animesmil ). I think that chemical equations and atoms are the stuff of "alchemy" now. Chemistry is actually one of my favorite subjects and I do think all those transmutation circles look cool! I don't think Alchemy is real though.[/QUOTE]

Agreed....

I always thought Alchemy was what sort of started the way for science and chemisty?

[url]http://www.levity.com/alchemy/home.html[/url]

There's a random website on Alchemy for you~



A bit random, but slightly related.....

Did anyone else notice that one of the so called books about Alchemy Edward looked more like something on Dungeons and Dragons? (seriously XD; (I can't remember what episode, but pause it and check it out!)

[Guest Gamebeast]

what exactly is alchemy? Is it simply transmutaions or is it chemisty? or a mix of both. doe sanyone have an explanation long or short.

[GreatBird]

Alchemy in the sense of magic does not exist but the alchemy in chemistry does exist.

[kenshinsbabe]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Georgia]I myself was actually thinking about researching and studying alchemy. I doubt I would actually try any of it, but it would be a fun project.

To any of you nay-sayers, I say why not? Nothing is impossible. I think alchemy, if someone really worked hard, could turn lead into gold. If it did, just think of the other things we could do to make the world a better place.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[kenshi112]

[quote name='Gamebeast']what exactly is alchemy? Is it simply transmutaions or is it chemisty? or a mix of both. doe sanyone have an explanation long or short.[/quote]

Alchemy is a science that mixes the concepts of algebra, chemistry, history, and many other subjects. FMA portrays it as a magic, but it is nothing more than experimenting with knowledge! On the other hand, the first couple of episodes did a lot of detail into the research of true alchemy. Including the laws that Edward costantly preached to Rose! Thus, alchemy is real, and yes i will agree that the transmutaion circles kick ***, but the whole reason I wish to study alchemy isnt to grow a frickin tail and turn my watch to gold!!! I want to study it so I have a better understanding of how things work among many perspectives. Also I would like to research more into the idea of the Philosipher's Stone, as well as the ultimate cure to any disease. It is what alchemists search for.

[Solo Tremaine]

[COLOR=#503F86]As closely related to FullMetal Alchemist as this is, considering it's not about the series in particular I'm moving it to the Otaku Lounge. It'll probably gain a better variety of scientific discussion there, heh.[/COLOR]

[Tyler Koregaten]

I'm afraid you're all wrong. None of those are correct, or at least not [I]wholely[/I]
correct.
Definition: Science of transmuting one object to another of the same mass through the conserved use of "Prious Alchemica" or alchemic energy. This science is practiced by less than 3,000 people worldwide today.
I myself am an alchemist. Don't even ask [I]how[/I] I do this, because the Fourteenth Article of the [I],agnus Opus[/I](which is alchemy's code of laws)
states that sworn alchemists can't tell the processes to others unless I'm teaching others. If you really want to know the secrets, PM to join the "PM Alchemy Class"
(an alchemy class through PM's). I've got about five people taking so far.
Anyways, great choice of a topic!

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE=kenshinsbabe]
To any of you nay-sayers, I say why not? Nothing is impossible. I think alchemy, if someone really worked hard, could turn lead into gold. If it did, just think of the other things we could do to make the world a better place.[/QUOTE]
Yes. That's EXACTLY what the world needs. Gold to be so abundant that it might as well grow on trees - and thus be totally useless.

Trying to turn pig **** into gold isn't altruistic, it's trying to fumble**** around with stuff so you don't have to actually work at anything and get lucky one day and retire early. It's selfish and lazy, that's what it is.

Of ALL the things you could devote your life to, why the hell alchemy? If "nothing is impossible" why the hell are you trying to turn **** into gold? There are better things to research. All of you "alchemists" need to admit you're only studying it because you watch some retarded anime and you want to look all smart and unique by saying you study it.

[color=DarkGreen][size=1][b]wrist cutter, I've had to edit some of your language. Be aware that making up your own swear words tends to confuse the automatic censoring, so if you type something like 'fumble****' it WILL actually appear, and not get starred out.
[/b][/size][/color] [right][color=DarkGreen][size=1]-Raiyuu[/size][/color]
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[Leofski]

If by "real alchemy" you mean chemistry, then yes, I study it.

If you were very patient you might be able to turn lead in to gold at an atomic level, using alpha and beta radiation, but really what would be the point? It would take ages and be more expensive than just buying the gold. The Elixir of Life though, can't help you there.

If you are interested in alchemy, in fact even if you're not, read Ben Jonson's "The Alchemist", one of the most entertaining plays I've ever read, though make sure you get a version with language notes if you do, it can be tough going.

[Momiji Love]

[SIZE=1]I have a book reserved at the library about the history of alchemy, but I don't study it because it isn't real.[/SIZE]

[Roxie Faye]

[QUOTE=GTK]Agreed....

I always thought Alchemy was what sort of started the way for science and chemisty?

[url]http://www.levity.com/alchemy/home.html[/url]

There's a random website on Alchemy for you~



A bit random, but slightly related.....

Did anyone else notice that one of the so called books about Alchemy Edward looked more like something on Dungeons and Dragons? (seriously XD; (I can't remember what episode, but pause it and check it out!)[/QUOTE]
[color=#9933ff]Alchemy is the predecessor (comes before) chemistry. Infact, when we were studying the concept of the atom in Chemistry class, I wrote this in my chemistry notes (yes, I saved them from this year. HA!): "Alchemist ---> Chemist" On October 29! (I even dated it. ^_~)

The wikipedia article is here: [url]http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Alchemy[/url] (yes, I knew that off the top of my head - how sad. ;_; )

Oh yeah, and that Dungeons and Dragons book you're talking about? Try this page: [url]http://www.fullmetalalchemist.info/misc.html[/url] ^^ That page also has the letter Ed got with his title of "fullmetal" - just now that the writing is Ripley's twelve gates; I knew it was on the transmutation circle to create humans the most popular one in the series), but I didn't realize it was on the letter until now.

I was actually on the FM-A.com forum when someone began discussing alchemy and that they're a real alchemist. I PMed them and they told me that their sister was Wiccan and that there was another school of magick (there are many) called Alchemy, and you can study it and everything. According to them, things on FMA are alchemy - albeit extremely advanced alchemy that would take any sane person decades to learn.

Wrist cutter - Um.... no? The people I know, IRL and online who are interested in Alchemy were interested LONG BEFORE watching Hagaren. Alchemy is [b]not[/b] just about turning lead in to gold. It's chemistry, physics, mathematics, and philosophy, as well as history, of course. Why the hell are you so bitter about alchemy, anyway? What has it ever done to you and if someone wants to learn about it, what are you accomplishing by yelling at them?


I don't get why people are so obsessed with making gold. Here's a good point for everyone: If we ALL knew how to make lead in to gold, the VALUE of the gold would depreciate significantly and wouldn't even [i]matter[/i]. I just don't get it. And BTW, we [i]have[/i] made gold in the past, in two ways: with particle accelerators and nuclear fission. So there! Ha! (Any gold gained dissintegrated in about five seconds, and the money it would cost to do that again negates any value the gold might have. ^_~)


Alchemy is not the worst thing in the world. Did you even know that Boyle, Dalton, Rutherford, and Seaborg were frickin' alchemists? Dalton discovered the one of the parts of the atom (which one it is is escaping me at the moment; I'm too lazy to get my chemistry notes), Rutherford played off Dalton's discoveries (Gold foil, alpha particples, anyone?), and Seaborg worked with particle accelerators and was able to transmute lead into gold. And [b]THAT[/b], the particle accelerator, is considered science. Boyle was an alchemist and his gas laws for chemistry came [i]out[/i] of Alchemy for chrissakes because he thought that tempurature and pressure might have made a difference.

I'd venture to guess that people who study today realize that a lot of the philosophies and information in the times of the Greeks and such are no longer extremely valid today. I would also say that Alchemy is alive and well, still. I mean, we've made lead out of gold, and isn't cloning part of keeping yourself alive forever? Or how about artificial hearts with metals and mechanics - that isn't prolonging life for a long time? So, chemistry really [i]is[/i] the new alchemy. *laughs*

There's one last thing I'd like to point out: in the past, we've gotten tons of members who are Wiccan, and nobody seems to mind them, nobody EVER QUESTIONS WHETHER WICCAN SPELLS WORK OR NOT so why is it so hard to think that perhaps there [b]are[/b] alchemists out there, when there is actually even [i]more[/i] science behind alchemy than there is for a goddamn spell? We talk about different religions and what religion you are; people say they're wiccan, nobody fights about it. And yet, alchemists get looked at like lunatics. Very suave.[/color]

[Doukeshi]

[SIZE=1][QUOTE=Tyler Koregaten]I'm afraid you're all wrong. None of those are correct, or at least not [I]wholely[/I]
correct.
Definition: Science of transmuting one object to another of the same mass through the conserved use of "Prious Alchemica" or alchemic energy. This science is practiced by less than 3,000 people worldwide today.
I myself am an alchemist. Don't even ask [I]how[/I] I do this, because the Fourteenth Article of the [I],agnus Opus[/I](which is alchemy's code of laws)
states that sworn alchemists can't tell the processes to others unless I'm teaching others. If you really want to know the secrets, PM to join the "PM Alchemy Class"
(an alchemy class through PM's). I've got about five people taking so far.
Anyways, great choice of a topic![/QUOTE]

Ugh, secrets, codes, laws, whatever. It all sounds very 'Masons' to me and very dillusioned and religiously fanatic especially if you read some of the stuff by [URL=http://www.levity.com/alchemy/adam.html][U]Adam McLean[/U][/URL]. I'm sure there are some genuine scientific elemts to the study of alchemy but in essence it appears to be an amalgemation of superstitions and medieval pseudo-science that has no real basis in the mechanics of the world.

Its a pre-science. Study it if you like but I doubt it will get you anywhere. However, if, as I have been implying, alchemy can be more associated with a religion than with a scientific study then I suppose what you believe is what you believe.

[B]P.S[/B] MistressRoxie I don't believe that Wiccan spells really work, I think its all in the mind. Supersition and philosophy, like I said."

Sorry and all that[/SIZE]

[Semjaza]

Man, if any of you actually have "magical" powers let a lighting bolt hit me the second I submit this.

[SpiritWolf]

True alchemy? Oh, you must mean... chemistry. That's what true alchemy is, bucko. The combining of elements to create something new. Sorry, kid, but "alchemy" is just science.

[kenshinsbabe]

[QUOTE=wrist cutter]Yes. That's EXACTLY what the world needs. Gold to be so abundant that it might as well grow on trees - and thus be totally useless.

Trying to turn pig **** into gold isn't altruistic, it's trying to fumble**** around with stuff so you don't have to actually work at anything and get lucky one day and retire early. It's selfish and lazy, that's what it is.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Georgia]I didn't mean it like that. I meant that, if alchemy was proven to work, we could put alchemy to good use. Like feeding third world countries. Of course, only a handful of people would be able to pull it off. Selfishness is the last thing that good alchemy is. T.T[/FONT] [/SIZE]

[kenshi112]

[QUOTE=MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff]Alchemy is the predecessor (comes before) chemistry. Infact, when we were studying the concept of the atom in Chemistry class, I wrote this in my chemistry notes (yes, I saved them from this year. HA!): "Alchemist ---> Chemist" On October 29! (I even dated it. ^_~)

The wikipedia article is here: [url]http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Alchemy[/url] (yes, I knew that off the top of my head - how sad. ;_; )

Oh yeah, and that Dungeons and Dragons book you're talking about? Try this page: [url]http://www.fullmetalalchemist.info/misc.html[/url] ^^ That page also has the letter Ed got with his title of "fullmetal" - just now that the writing is Ripley's twelve gates; I knew it was on the transmutation circle to create humans the most popular one in the series), but I didn't realize it was on the letter until now.

I was actually on the FM-A.com forum when someone began discussing alchemy and that they're a real alchemist. I PMed them and they told me that their sister was Wiccan and that there was another school of magick (there are many) called Alchemy, and you can study it and everything. According to them, things on FMA are alchemy - albeit extremely advanced alchemy that would take any sane person decades to learn.

Wrist cutter - Um.... no? The people I know, IRL and online who are interested in Alchemy were interested LONG BEFORE watching Hagaren. Alchemy is [b]not[/b] just about turning lead in to gold. It's chemistry, physics, mathematics, and philosophy, as well as history, of course. Why the hell are you so bitter about alchemy, anyway? What has it ever done to you and if someone wants to learn about it, what are you accomplishing by yelling at them?


I don't get why people are so obsessed with making gold. Here's a good point for everyone: If we ALL knew how to make lead in to gold, the VALUE of the gold would depreciate significantly and wouldn't even [i]matter[/i]. I just don't get it. And BTW, we [i]have[/i] made gold in the past, in two ways: with particle accelerators and nuclear fission. So there! Ha! (Any gold gained dissintegrated in about five seconds, and the money it would cost to do that again negates any value the gold might have. ^_~)


Alchemy is not the worst thing in the world. Did you even know that Boyle, Dalton, Rutherford, and Seaborg were frickin' alchemists? Dalton discovered the one of the parts of the atom (which one it is is escaping me at the moment; I'm too lazy to get my chemistry notes), Rutherford played off Dalton's discoveries (Gold foil, alpha particples, anyone?), and Seaborg worked with particle accelerators and was able to transmute lead into gold. And [b]THAT[/b], the particle accelerator, is considered science. Boyle was an alchemist and his gas laws for chemistry came [i]out[/i] of Alchemy for chrissakes because he thought that tempurature and pressure might have made a difference.

I'd venture to guess that people who study today realize that a lot of the philosophies and information in the times of the Greeks and such are no longer extremely valid today. I would also say that Alchemy is alive and well, still. I mean, we've made lead out of gold, and isn't cloning part of keeping yourself alive forever? Or how about artificial hearts with metals and mechanics - that isn't prolonging life for a long time? So, chemistry really [i]is[/i] the new alchemy. *laughs*

There's one last thing I'd like to point out: in the past, we've gotten tons of members who are Wiccan, and nobody seems to mind them, nobody EVER QUESTIONS WHETHER WICCAN SPELLS WORK OR NOT so why is it so hard to think that perhaps there [b]are[/b] alchemists out there, when there is actually even [i]more[/i] science behind alchemy than there is for a goddamn spell? We talk about different religions and what religion you are; people say they're wiccan, nobody fights about it. And yet, alchemists get looked at like lunatics. Very suave.[/color][/QUOTE]

Thank you^^ I guess you're one of the only ones around here who actually understands it! unlike all these dumbasses.....

[vegeta rocker]

sorry that everyone jumped on you so quickly, i guess alchemy really just doesn't ring true with a lot of people.

I myself have never seen alchemy work or anything, but i do believe in the supernatural. So if you want to spend your time delving into it then thats your choice.

Some people just like to dismiss things they know little or nothing about.