Fate

[Guest Sean]

[FONT=Arial]Well, it's simple enough, Fate, are we all destined to do something, to meet someone, well, there are quite a lot of things that could come under fate, like meeting the person you love, but these things can have repurcussions.

Say it was fate for you to, let's say, be married to some guy you've known since childhood, well, what if you danced with another person at a prom, could somethingl ike that have major repurcussions that it could change fate?

So, in simpler terms, do you believe in fate, and do you think you can change it?

Well, I sort of believe in fate, I'm not a die hard believer that I've already been chosen to break my leg on the 17th Birthday or to entertain a house party when I'm 24. I fell that there is some sort of guideline in our lives, that we follow, not knowing that we are, and of course, our decisions then change what our fate will be.

But, if I was a strict believer in fate then I would think, I was meant to be undecisive about going one path or the other, and that I was meant to go one way and come out at my house without any problems. But, alas, I am not like that.

Fate has brought quite a few theories on the ways of our world, but, what do you think of it?[/FONT]

[Corey]

[size=1]I have the strangest feeling this thread will develope into a rather large religious debate...
*sigh*

Anyway, I'm a firm believer against fate.
I don't like the idea that something is constantly conrtolling my life down to every cell of my body. I like to live my own life, make my own mistakes, and do it without the straight-line path of 'fate'.
It makes me ill to think that I'm not in control of my life. If I want to do something stupid, I want to know it's my own choice and not that I was predestined to take that action. Same thing for everything else I do.

To quote Bon Jovi: [i]"It's my life."[/i][/size]

[Guest Sean]

[FONT=Arial]I agree with you in ways Corey, I need to know that I'm in control of my life. When you think about it (this will start a religous debate...), it's like God has taken our 'free-will' away by using fate to decide our destiny. Like using a lupol to get in the way of things.

Oh well, I still do think that there is some sort of 'fate', but I think we can change it.[/FONT]

[IceRose]

I really don't know much about fae bu that everyone's destined to die someday. We all create our own fate. I mean no one in this world knows what path we are gonna choose and I do not think this should at all be turned into religious discussions because then people are gonna be debating about everything and tha \t can turn disrespectful to people who have other opinions but I believe no one should tell us what to choose or what to think is gonna happen to us in the future.

[Fyxe]

[size=1][color=slategray]Fate is something people blame when they don't want to take responsibility for their stupid actions.

When people say, "Oh, it was fate that we'd be together." when refering to relationships, that's only their brain having a stupid spasm.

There is no such thing as fate. You are responsible for making the actions that lead up to something in your life. You control your body, and you control your life. People, this isn't a game of The Sims. There is no one out there telling you what to do, what to say. Unless you are being held hostage and you want to live. Then, you say what you must to be let go, etc.

Fate is just as real as God is, in my opinion. People want something to believe in, so they create these things that supposedly "guide" them. That's my reasoning. And unless someone has some raw facts, raw evidence that can prove that fate is real, there really isn't much to discuss or prove. But then, what would be the fun in threads like these? Heh. Yes, people fighting over certain things, not proving much along the way.

Go on. XD[/color][/size]

[Guest Sean]

[FONT=Arial]Lix, you sound exactly like my friend, well what he said a while back anyway. People have created God, and Fate and whatever else so we can have comfort in thinking we're going somewhere after we die. And ghost stories, people are scared of ghosts, why?, because people told them stories and they were passed down.

Fate is like that. You can believe in it for security, or you just don't, and you like your life how you want to, not thinking that someone has some control over you.

Coincedently, I was playing The Sims today, XD.[/FONT]

[Fyxe]

[size=1][color=slategray]Exactly. Most people mainly want to have the comfort that there is someone up in the skies, watching down on us, taking care of us, and providing a miracle here and there. And fate and desiny work the same way. People want an excuse for why they are where they are, how they got there, and why their life is so great or why their life sucks to much. And so on.

People tell me I am so blunt about these subjects, but, seriously... you can't just blame something, or hold something responsible for every move you make. But a lot of people like the secruity of that, so they continue believing in those things... or they were just taught to believe in those things.

And yes, The Sims is a rather addicting game, though I prefer The Sims 2 so much more. It's funny, people play the game of life every day, but there is just something about controling other people's lives that is just so much more entertaining. ^_~[/color][/size]

[Godelsensei]

Fate, if you're talking about something spiritual, doesn't exist. There is no way to know for certain what is going to happen tomorrow.
However, the thing that a lot of people use to justify their belief in fate goes something like this:

[i]You were going to make that choice. That's why it happened.[/i]

I am going to say whatever I am going to say tomorrow, but it's not predetermined. Fate seems to turn into a kind of hindsight, which is rather ironic.

[Guest Sean]

[FONT=Arial]In a serious note, I don't blame fate for n00bs being so 1337, I don't blame fate for President Bush winning the election, and I don't blame fate for the friends and enemies I make. Why should I blame fate on the lifestyle I have then?

I do hope someone comes and posts in this thread who believes in fate. If you do believe in fate then say why, if you don't then, well continue with us discussing why we don't. ^_^;.

On a side note, I've never played The Sims 2, but I can say that you are correct and that it is so incredibly fun playing out the 'Sims' lives. Could be called blasphemy though...lol.[/FONT]

[Corey]

[quote name='IceRose']I really don't know much about fae bu that everyone's destined to die someday.[/quote]

[size=1]I could argue that that isn't fate, just the eventual bodily shutdown that all organic being experiance, but it is the one thing most like fate I've ever been able to concieve of. It's definate. It's going to happen no matter what, when is another story.[/size]

[Morpheus]

The events in my life have led me to not believe in god or fate. Anything that systematically takes away the loving people that surround me, permanently or not, can go **** itself. I'm not usually so blunt, but things like this sicken me. One of my friends may move to Cuba. If she goes, there is a good chance I'll never see her again. If god or fate actually exist and are in control of this situation, they can, by the figure of speech, go to Hell.

[Ezekiel]

[SIZE=1]I believe in fate...somewhat. I do believe there is a set path for our lives to run, but there are different options along that path determining how things happen. Like one of those books where you turn to one page, and die, or turn to the other page, find a shotgun and kill the monster chasing you.

Destiny, something different than fate, is something I believe in. I think about it like this: [I]If[/I] I hadn't joined the OB, then I wouldn't have met Trevor. [I]If[/I] Trevor had actually carried on coming online, we probably would have split up. [I]If[/I] I didn't get together with John because of that, I may not have realised how I still had strong feelings for Trevor. Sappy, I know, but it's just [I]my opinion[/I] and how I feel on the situation. Someone is probably going to come up with 'coincidence' to counter my example, but I believe it's too much of a coincidence for it to be just that.[/SIZE]

[Pumpkin]

[COLOR="#CC3366"][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=1][b][QUOTE=Sean][FONT=Arial]Say it was fate for you to, let's say, be married to some guy you've known since childhood, well, what if you danced with another person at a prom, could somethingl ike that have major repurcussions that it could change fate?

So, in simpler terms, do you believe in fate, and do you think you can change it?[/FONT][/QUOTE]
In all honesty, I'm half-sided. I don't believe in the word fate, but I believe in going down different paths that LEAD to your fate (Dying is fate, we all are going to head down that road sometime). As [COLOR=black]Imi[/COLOR] put it, I guess I believe in a destiny. A destiny that YOU make happen, and no one else "pre-determines" your future. You could change your whole destiny by just making a decision.

The comment you made up there is an example of "chosen destiny" let's call it. I once knew a boy since I was one and he ended up liking me once I got to highschool. If I had returned his feelings, we might have gone out and still been together now. However, I would never have met my current boyfriend because I probably would not have left the school I was at, and graduated from there. That would also mean I would not have met my current friends. Everything that you do that changes your current life, also has an effect on your future and goals.

If you move away, your friends and lifestyle will change and make you different. This could also change what you hope to achieve in the future. But as I said, it's all up to you and your choices.

[QUOTE=Godelsensei][i]You were going to make that choice. That's why it happened.[/i]
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I definately don't agree with this quote either. I could change my mind at the last second and say something completely off of what I was planning to say, which happens a lot, since I'm not the best decision maker. No one can predict the future.

[QUOTE=Lix][size=1][color=slategray]Fate is something people blame when they don't want to take responsibility for their stupid actions.

When people say, "Oh, it was fate that we'd be together." when refering to relationships, that's only their brain having a stupid spasm.
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I also have to agree with [COLOR=Black]Lix[/COLOR]. You were not met by fate, it was the series of choices YOU make that brought you together. There is chosen destiny, but not fate.
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[Onix]

[COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1]It sounds like what you're talking about is Determinism, a philosophical school that believes, essentially, that based on how the world began, everything was already pre-determined and that, if you were able to figure out the correct forumlae or something, you could predict the future. It's usually supported by Newtonian phycisists because of its tie-ins to those kinds of Physics.

...I think I digressed a bit. Determinism states that everyone has a set destiny, and nothing you can do will change that. It states that you are on a set path, and will end up at a set destination, end of story. However, that is denied by at least two thing:

1. Morality. Determinism is usually stopped by groups that think it defies their constants of morality and free will. By saying everything that happens was going to happen anyway, that removes any need for a moral compass, since, "I was going to do it anyway."

2. Quantum Mechanics. On the quantum level, there really is no sense to be had. Electrons fired from the same spot with the same force don't always end up at the same end point. Wierd, but true. The sheer randomness of quantum physics seems to defy any sense of fate or Determinism.

Kind of funny that I just started researching the topic the other day, ne? However, I'm not 100% on this, so don't take my word for it. Try doing a little reading of your own.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[elfpirate]

[b][font=Comic Sans MS]I find the idea of fate to be rather ridiculous and depressing.

Our lives are determined by our own choices and the choices of others...or by simple chemistry, physics, biology, etc.

It wasn't fate that led to the events in my life--it was a conscious decision at some point by someone with an influence in my life.

If there's some prefabricated route I'll take regardless of what I've learned, accomplished, etc, then the purpose for living is diminished to a truly depressing degree.

I mean, why should I bother making decisions and attempting to make the most of this sinking ship called life if what I do makes no real difference in the scheme of things because life is a pre-determined factory line, anyhow, thanks to "fate"?

Nah-- I much prefer the idea of creating our own destinies and changing the world as we blunder, stumble, and crash our way through our lifetimes.
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