Forget the war on Terror- It's a War on Porn

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='AnimeFront'] The funny thing is their is religous porn (catholic schoolgirls). .[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]I've never understood the interest in Catholic School Girl uniforms.

I wore a Catholic school uniform for seven years- there was nothing kinky about it. Just knee length polyester plaid skirts that ended above the knee, knee socks and black shoes. Trust me, the fantasy is dead.

I'm just hoping someone in the Bush regime realizes what a dumb and aimless idea this is and stops it before any federal money is wasted. But I'm just an optomist and I know that will never happen![/color]

[Harry]

[quote name='Morpheus']The horrible, sad truth is that Ilium has not exagerated at all. To a puritan/calvinist/Huguenot pleasure of any kind is a sin. Thankfully James I drove them out.[/quote]
Being Christian does not mean you force your views onto others. But feel free to jump on the bandwagon of Christian banging that is ever so popular on the internet.

Also calling Bush a puritan is silly.

[PWNED]

[QUOTE=Harry]Being Christian does not mean you force your views onto others. But feel free to jump on the bandwagon of Christian banging that is ever so popular on the internet.

Also calling Bush a puritan is silly.[/QUOTE]
Welll, Bush is a Right Wing Christian (Not Extreme but still Right Wing) so what better thing to try and take down then something that your religion finds morally wrong even though its perfectly legal. I find that it is easier to attack problems which are not problems at all like Pornography and Alchohol (Not yet to be attacked but It will happen)

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='The Monster']Welll, Bush is a Right Wing Christian (Not Extreme but still Right Wing)[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Not extreme? What have you been smoking? He wants to ban porn, outlaw abortion and make it nearly impossible to obtain birth control methods (ie condoms, pills, IUD ect ect) Simply because he doesn't agree with those things. Last I checked that was pretty extreme.[/color]

[PWNED]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet']Not extreme? What have you been smoking? He wants to ban porn, outlaw abortion and make it nearly impossible to obtain birth control methods (ie condoms, pills, IUD ect ect) Simply because he doesn't agree with those things. Last I checked that was pretty extreme.[/color][/quote]
I havt to admit that is pretty extreme but There are more Extreme Right Wings out there (I can't stand them mostly because their views conflict with my own views) but he is pretty Damn Right Wing.

[SunfallE]

All I can say is that I?m glad I didn?t vote for this idiot. :animesigh Seriously, Bush needs to quite trying to regulate other people?s morals and actually address real issues. I may not care for porn, but I don?t have the right to dictate other people?s sex lives or viewing habits.

I?ve heard this argument before how porn is destructive and destroys out society. And yet in spite of existing for centuries, not only has society not been destroyed, but we have made some amazing progress over the years.

I could easily list all sorts of things that have become better in spite of porn existing. I get tired of people acting like such things are why there are problems in the world. If someone is going to do bad things, watching something doesn?t make them that way. It?s just convenient for them to find something to blame so they don?t have to take responsibility for their actions.

What about real issues like crime, rape, and murder? The money wasted on fighting porn could be put to good use towards helping to prevent real problems. I feel bad for the next president as they are going to have lots of fun fixing all the problems Bush created.

[Harry]

[quote name='The Monster']Welll, Bush is a Right Wing Christian (Not Extreme but still Right Wing) so what better thing to try and take down then something that your religion finds morally wrong even though its perfectly legal. I find that it is easier to attack problems which are not problems at all like Pornography and Alchohol (Not yet to be attacked but It will happen)[/quote]
For all you know he wants to ban violent rape porn. But it's ok, just jump to conclusions. Also, alchohol being attacked is one of the funniest things I've ever read.

[quote]Not extreme? What have you been smoking? He wants to ban porn, outlaw abortion and make it nearly impossible to obtain birth control methods (ie condoms, pills, IUD ect ect) Simply because he doesn't agree with those things. Last I checked that was pretty extreme.[/quote]
1) Once again, there are lots of types of porn out there. We don't know what he's going after.
2) He doesn't want to outlaw abortions, he only wants to outlaw the partial birth ones.
3) He himself has not done a single thing to make it impossible to obtain birth control. Quit lying.

He's not an extremist christian in any sense.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE=Harry]1) Once again, there are lots of types of porn out there. We don't know what he's going after.
2) He doesn't want to outlaw abortions, he only wants to outlaw the partial birth ones.
3) He himself has not done a single thing to make it impossible to obtain birth control. Quit lying.

He's not an extremist christian in any sense.[/QUOTE]

[color=darkviolet]I'm going to address these issues one by one Harry

1.) He's trying to ban ADULT porn. It says in the article I posted at the beginning of this thread.

2.) His defination of partial birth abortions are not abortions done while the infant's head is exposed, if you've read any of my threads on this subject you'll see that his defination is during the gestation period. And he does want to over turn Roe vs Wade

3.)There have been laws passed in many states (including TX) saying that if a pharmasist dissagrees morally with selling The Pill they can refuse to sell it.

Don't call me a liar until you've read more that what you think is required, it's childish.[/color]

[Charles]

I see that a lot of you are unhappy with Bush's agenda here. So, in an effort to support freedom of expression I suggest we join this war, in defense of porn. It may seem like a small gesture, but we must express ourselves. We can combat this attack on our liberty by taking a stand, no matter how insignificant it may seem in the grand scheme of things. Talking about it isn't good enough--we need to take action! Just like the Civil Rights movement of the sixties. So, all right, all right, like all war-time citizens I'm willing to sacrifice and take one for the team. I'll need some hot (legal) female OtakuBoards members to make an adult film with me in protest of Bush. We'll call it, "A Heated Debate: Going Down on Your Bush." Who's with me?

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Charles']I see that a lot of you are unhappy with Bush's agenda here. So, in an effort to support freedom of expression I suggest we join this war, in defense of porn. It may seem like a small gesture, but we must express ourselves. We can combat this attack on our liberty by taking a stand, no matter how insignificant it may seem in the grand scheme of things. Talking about it isn't good enough--we need to take action! Just like the Civil Rights movement of the sixties. So, all right, all right, like all war-time citizens I'm willing to sacrifice and take one for the team. I'll need some hot (legal) female OtakuBoards members to make an adult film with me in protest of Bush. We'll call it, "A Heated Debate: Going Down on Your Bush." Who's with me?[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Sure why not? It'd be a nice break from my boring non existant life. How much are we talking because my 'wonderful' ex 'forgot' about my child support.

I think while we're at it we need to recuit the good looking (legal) male members of OB just to be fair and unbiased. I mean you can't just have hot girl on girl (and girls on Charles) porn for a protest on baning the stuff am I right?

I'll be willing to direct.[/color]

[Burori]

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]Sure why not? It'd be a nice break from my boring non existant life. How much are we talking because my 'wonderful' ex 'forgot' about my child support.

I think while we're at it we need to recuit the good looking (legal) male members of OB just to be fair and unbiased. I mean you can't just have hot girl on girl (and girls on Charles) porn for a protest on baning the stuff am I right?

I'll be willing to direct.[/color][/QUOTE]


In that case I more than willing to sacrifice myself to this project. I need money too although I do know the woman get paid more in this kind of thing. But at least I'll get to know a few of them better and be able to actually do something with my life.

[Charles]

This all sounds good to me. I think it'd be perfect for you to star in and direct, ChibiHorsewoman, but only if you do so under your online name. The clever puns we could come up with would only make it more successful (i.e., riding the Horsewoman). And, of course, there's Burori, who we could see grunting loudly while he powers up in DragonBall Z form. He could eventually unleash his [spoiler]cumehameha[/spoiler] projectile technique. When it's done, we'll send it directly to the White House.

[Burori]

[quote name='Charles]This all sounds good to me. I think it'd be perfect for you to star in and direct, ChibiHorsewoman, but only if you do so under your online name. The clever puns we could come up with would only make it more successful (i.e., riding the Horsewoman). And, of course, there's Burori, who we could see grunting loudly while he powers up in DragonBall Z form. He could eventually unleash his [spoiler]cumehameha[/spoiler'] projectile technique. When it's done, we'll send it directly to the White House.[/quote]

If that doesn't work I don't know what will. I suggest we do a few scenes as well like in my Signature. Can't be too sexist right?

[Lafleur]

[quote name='Charles]This all sounds good to me. I think it'd be perfect for you to star in and direct, ChibiHorsewoman, but only if you do so under your online name. The clever puns we could come up with would only make it more successful (i.e., riding the Horsewoman). And, of course, there's Burori, who we could see grunting loudly while he powers up in DragonBall Z form. He could eventually unleash his [spoiler]cumehameha[/spoiler'] projectile technique. When it's done, we'll send it directly to the White House.[/quote]
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Can I have a copy too ummm.. *darting eyes* send to the... umm... Parlimant Buildings? [/COLOR]

[Charles]

[quote name='Burori']If that doesn't work I don't know what will. I suggest we do a few scenes as well like in my Signature. Can't be too sexist right?[/quote]

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Ilium--you've got it! We'll also send one to Chibi's ex-husband too.

[Harry]

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]I'm going to address these issues one by one Harry

1.) He's trying to ban ADULT porn. It says in the article I posted at the beginning of this thread.

2.) His defination of partial birth abortions are not abortions done while the infant's head is exposed, if you've read any of my threads on this subject you'll see that his defination is during the gestation period. And he does want to over turn Roe vs Wade

3.)There have been laws passed in many states (including TX) saying that if a pharmasist dissagrees morally with selling The Pill they can refuse to sell it.

Don't call me a liar until you've read more that what you think is required, it's childish.[/color][/QUOTE]

1.)Once again, it's never specified what they mean by adult porn. Adult porn could be hardcore bondage and rape porn. You're just naturally jumping to a conclusion since that appears to be one of the few things you're good at. Here is actually a quote from the article:

[quote]"includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."[/quote]

2.)You're right. My statement was outdated a bit.
3.)It's always been within a pharmacist/doctor's rights to refuse to do something they don't agree with morally. Are you also saying a doctor should be forced to give an abortion if they didn't want to? Also Bush had absolutely nothing to do with that but go ahead and blame him.

[Decadence]

[quote=] "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."[/quote]

[color=DImGrey]Banning porn in general includes banning all afore mentioned subjects.

As little as that contributes to this discussion I felt I needed to point that out.[/color]

[SunfallE]

[QUOTE=Harry]1.)Once again, it's never specified what they mean by adult porn. Adult porn could be hardcore bondage and rape porn. You're just naturally jumping to a conclusion since that appears to be one of the few things you're good at. Here is actually a quote from the article:

"includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."
[/QUOTE]
Actually I think you are jumping to a conclusion, as you aren?t looking at the original quote in full. Take a look at the whole quote:

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]
"Based on a review of past successful cases," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.
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The whole problem here is that the government isn?t being specific on what types of adult porn they want banned. All they have said is that the [B]"best odds?[/B] of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."

And that really is the core reason to why I object to the idea of fighting adult porn. I have looked but can?t find any other articles that give the specifics of what they want banned. As it stands now it is saying that they are after all forms of adult porn and that they expect to have the most success with the types listed.

[AnimeFront]

[quote name='Charles']I see that a lot of you are unhappy with Bush's agenda here. So, in an effort to support freedom of expression I suggest we join this war, in defense of porn. It may seem like a small gesture, but we must express ourselves. We can combat this attack on our liberty by taking a stand, no matter how insignificant it may seem in the grand scheme of things. Talking about it isn't good enough--we need to take action! Just like the Civil Rights movement of the sixties. So, all right, all right, like all war-time citizens I'm willing to sacrifice and take one for the team. I'll need some hot (legal) female OtakuBoards members to make an adult film with me in protest of Bush. We'll call it, "A Heated Debate: Going Down on Your Bush." Who's with me?[/quote]


Well if your making a porn movie, your gonna need a hot black guy to make camios. So I'm in, I have a fake id to use so let's do this.

Hahaha just kidding, if an underage kids was in the movie, it would be helpful to Bush, so i will just help direct. Save Porn!! Porn Power!!!!!!!

[Guest Lilium]

I dont see a problem with porn to be completly honest.

I would rather have the people at home on the internet/in front of a magazine/tevelvision doing their thing instead of on the streets praying on other people.Not saying all porn watchers are rapists or anything because we all know that teenagers are the biggest watchers of porn. Mainly because we are all so damn curious!

But to be fair I dont seem the harm in it. It createds jobs for people, it sells, and it works. I mean kiddy porn is wrong but only because it breaks the law!? There is now law about having sex and video taping it? there is no such law at all!!

And I am sure bush has watched porn, probably all the the porn squad have watched some too!

i think its bush trying to look like the good guy again. I am british and like so many non-american countries we are really confused why bush got realected! However, do as you wish!

Im in japan right now and every day on the train there are at least 2 people reading porn. Its just something in the culture here. No one minds. I would rather that man reading the porn than him staring at woman on the train and grabbing people. I`ve been grabbed on the trains in japan and its not nice indeed.

The problem many people can argue with is that porn fuels rapists and such. I would say yes and no. No because millions of people watch porn and there are not millions of rapists. Yes because sometimes porn can take the forms of screwed up movies where the plot is about rape.

but then again any movie could do it. Any movie with sex in should be banned then? I would say a lot of romantic movies have a large propertion of sex in them. but they are just tastefully shot thats all.

I say just leave porn be.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Charles]This all sounds good to me. I think it'd be perfect for you to star in and direct, ChibiHorsewoman, but only if you do so under your online name. The clever puns we could come up with would only make it more successful (i.e., riding the Horsewoman). And, of course, there's Burori, who we could see grunting loudly while he powers up in DragonBall Z form. He could eventually unleash his [spoiler]cumehameha[/spoiler'] projectile technique. When it's done, we'll send it directly to the White House.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Actually I heard that the best way to make up your porn star name is your middle name with the street you live on. However in the long run, my screen name would work out better.

I think the idea would work out very nicely if Burori and I could cos-play for a bit, he could be some DBZ character and I'd try something from SailorMoon. I've alwasy sensed something with the way Usagi threatens to punish people.[/color]

[quote name='Charles']Ilium--you've got it! We'll also send one to Chibi's ex-husband too.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]I guess, maybe that'd give him some seller's remorse[/color]

[quote name='Harry']1.)Once again, it's never specified what they mean by adult porn. Adult porn could be hardcore bondage and rape porn. You're just naturally jumping to a conclusion since that appears to be one of the few things you're good at:.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]As SunfallE stated earlier,, Bush never specified which type of porn he's getting rid of which basically allows him to strike ever aspect. I could care less if he got rid of beastiality or not- I think it's gross. BUt I also realize that it;s not my place to dictate what people watch and don't watch. Bush should do the same.

And I haven't made an attack on your personality or character so I'd thank you to do the same. At least [i]try[/i] to hold up the pretense that you have some maturity.[/color]

[quote name='Harry']3.)It's always been within a pharmacist/doctor's rights to refuse to do something they don't agree with morally. Are you also saying a doctor should be forced to give an abortion if they didn't want to? Also Bush had absolutely nothing to do with that but go ahead and blame him.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]I'm not going to start a debate here about abortion and birth control becase this isn't the thread for it. I'll just say that abortions aren't the same as birthcontrol because birth control when used correctly can help to prevent abortions. I'm confident that most people would agree with me on that.

Now let's stick to the thread instead of insulting me eh?[/color]

[Circ]

[QUOTE=SunfallE]All they have said is that the [B]"best odds?[/B] of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."
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Isn't listing bestiality kinda pointless? I thought i was already illegal in most juridictions...

Edit: Further research digs this from wikipedia:

[quote name='Wikipedia']Just over half of U.S. states explicitly outlaw sex with animals (sometimes under the term of "sodomy"). In the 2000s, six U.S. states adopted new legislation against it: Oregon, Maine, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, and Missouri. When many U.S. state laws against "sodomy" (generally in the context of male homosexuality) were repealed or struck down by the courts, some people thought sex with animals would no longer be outlawed. However, the 2004 conviction of a man in Florida demonstrated that even in states with no specific laws against zoosexual acts, animal cruelty statutes can be applied (e.g. State vs. Mitchell).[/quote]

In canada, it is formally illegal at the federal level.

[Lafleur]

[QUOTE=Circéus]Isn't listing bestiality kinda pointless? I thought i was already illegal in most juridictions...

Edit: Further research digs this from wikipedia:



In canada, it is formally illegal at the federal level.[/QUOTE]
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I never really understood why it was illegal... sure, most people think it's kinda... well, disgusting. But, as far as I can tell, it's not really all that harmful... and its quite usually not cruel to animals, if you understand my meaning :animeswea

But that's beside the point. Beastiality may be illegal here, but in places like, say, Brazil, it's perfectly legal - so who are we too say Brazilian sites can't show it?[/COLOR]

[SunfallE]

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet']I'm not going to start a debate here about abortion and birth control becase this isn't the thread for it. I'll just say that abortions aren't the same as birthcontrol because birth control when used correctly can help to prevent abortions. I'm confident that most people would agree with me on that.[/color][/quote]

I agree, they really aren?t the same thing. And like ChibiHorsewoman said, a pharmacist can refuse to sell a patient the pill because they think it is ?morally wrong? Not only is that completely arrogant but the pharmacist is ignorant and attempting to regulate others morals. Not to mention they are also acting as if they are a doctor and know what is good for you. Just another example of stupidity in my opinion; contrary to popular belief the pill can be used to treat medical problems and not just for birth control. But I won?t go into that any further as it?s a topic that really gets me angry. :animeangr Besides it would take to long to explain without creating another thread. :p

[QUOTE=Circéus]Isn't listing bestiality kinda pointless? I thought i was already illegal in most juridictions...
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That's what I thought. ^_^ But then the government here excels at doing pointless stuff so to speak. :animesigh

Besides [B]Ilium [/B] makes a good point. It may be legal elsewhere and the US has no right to make laws for other countries. If Bush really wants to fight porn he really needs to be more specific about what aspects he wants to fight.

I have no problem with working on better rules to regulate porn to keep it out of the hands of children, or to make it easier for parents to block the stuff from coming up on their computers when they browse online. I?ve worked in tech support for computers and unfortunately a lot of online porn sites deliberately make it so if you go there it immediately downloads all sorts of junk onto your computer that is really difficult to get rid of. I've worked with a lot of people helping them remove the stuff off their computer.

And porn sites love making sites were their address closely matches popular sites like Disneyland so if you mistype by one character you end up at a porn site instead. So it's not a case of it's your fault for visiting the site as lots of people end up there by accident.

[Burori]

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]Actually I heard that the best way to make up your porn star name is your middle name with the street you live on. However in the long run, my screen name would work out better.

I think the idea would work out very nicely if Burori and I could cos-play for a bit, he could be some DBZ character and I'd try something from SailorMoon. I've alwasy sensed something with the way Usagi threatens to punish people.[/color]

[/QUOTE]


Okay.... now I am offically worried about that.... :(

*edit* Yes I know sorry for the spaming I had to open the jar. Frankly I wanted to say that but could not find anything to add further on so sorry.