Doom

[Pagan]

Most movies turned into games haven't fair so well in the box office, but after seeing Resident Evil Apocalypse I'm sort of looking forward to Doom. They seem to have stayed pretty close to the games plots only with a few more realistic modifications. I also like the customes, that are actual monsters from the game.

The director, Andrzej Bartkowiak, isn't particularly one of my favorite directors, but he's good. He works on alot of scifi action flims so this should be right up his alley.

The thing I'm really excited about is the Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) starring a Sarge. He's really proven himself as a good actor; though I'd like to see him back on wrestling. For some reason I'm even looking forward to seeing him in the Johnny Bravo movie as well.

Plot wise I would have liked them to have stayed closer to the game, but what they've done is still good
[WARNING MAJOR SPOILER]
[spoiler]Something has gone wrong at a remote scientific research station on Mars. All research has ceased. Communication has failed. And the messages that do get through are less than comforting. It's a level 5 quarantine, and the only souls allowed in or out are the Rapid Response Tactical Squad - hardened Marines armed to the teeth with enough firepower to neutralize any enemy...or so they think. The research being done at Olduvai station has unwittingly opened a door, and all hell has broken loose. A legion of nightmarish creatures of unknown origin lurks behind every wall and stalks the countless rooms and tunnels of the facility, killing what few people remain. Sealing off the portal to Earth, Sarge, Reaper and their team must use every weapon at their disposal - and some they find along the way - to carry out their orders: nothing gets out alive.[/spoiler]

What does everyone think? I would have rather have seen Halo or Half-Life as a movie, but Doom still should be good.

[Derald]

[FONT=Lucida Console][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]I'm going to watch Doom this weekend, so I thought I might post on this.

I wasn't too amused about the concept at first, but after seeing the screenshots of the first-person-shooter view I thought it was an interesting idea and finally decided to go watch it.

Anyhow, on the subject of horror game movies and the like:
I have wanted to see a Silent Hill movie for some time now, and after watching FFVII: Advent Children I think Konami should try and utilize the same method to make the movie. That would make an awesome movie, doesn't anyone agree?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Jakehammaren]

I'm really stoked for the Doom movie, simply because I've been playing Doom since the time when Doom II was uber state-of-the-art (lol). Plus I've always wondered what incorporated first-person would be like in a movie, so it should at least be interesting if nothing else.

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[color=blue][strike][/color]I know I'm double-posting, and I'm sorry, but I have to.[color=blue][/strike][/color] I saw Doom tonight (well, I guess it counts as last night now :rolleyes:).

INTENSE!

I loved it! That first-person-shooter style sequence toward the end was so epic I almost wet myself. It didn't stay true to the game, but oh well, I didn't expect it to. There were 2 or 3 funny little inside jokes in the movie that made it fun, and the acting actually wasn't that bad. The effects were great, and so was the music. I reccommend it because it's awesome.

[font=Verdana][color=blue]It still was a double post so I had to merge them.[/color][/font]
[font=Verdana][color=blue]- Petie[/color][/font]

[Derald]

[FONT=Lucida Console][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]As I previously stated, I had low expectations for the movie, and now that I have seen it I can say it met them.

You know what? I'm sorry, but it did not meet even those miniscule expectations I had set out for it. That movie was a complete atrocity and I regret having spent those 1 1/2 hours and $4.50 on that movie. I mean, the whole reason I went to see it was the fact that I wanted to see the first-person-shooter view incorporated into a decent movie, however, the acting was bad, there were only 5 minutes of FPS view, and it didn't even try to follow the game's story line. The problem was not a genetic mutation, but it was literally "heck" on mars, unlike the movie.

Those who watch this are truly "Doomed" to waste hours of their life and money far beyond the worth of this movie.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Onix]

[quote name='Derald][FONT=Lucida Console][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]I mean, the whole reason I went to see it was the fact that I wanted to see the first-person-shooter view incorporated into a decent movie, however, the acting was bad, there were only 5 minutes of FPS view, and it didn't even try to follow the game's story line. The problem was not a genetic mutation, but it was literally "heck" on mars, unlike the movie.[/COLOR][/SIZE'][/FONT][/quote]

[COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1]Dude, did you even watch the same movie I did? To give you a refresher course on what actually happened: [spoiler]The scientists on the Olduvai station were doing genetic research on the homonids found there. They discovered the strange "Chromosome 24," which apparently granted superhuman abilities to the carriers. They managed to create some, injecting it into a human test subject. However, the test subject was apparently too violent and twisted, and became a monster due to his mental state.

From there, it went on a rampage, infecting other people with the malignant strain of C-24, hence the mutated scientists. But, the pure strain doesn't have a negative effect on people who don't have the genetic predisposition for violence, as shown with Reaper. He simply became superhuman, not a monster like the Sargeant.[/spoiler]

That IS about genetic mutation, not demons and the ilk. Pay attention next time, please.

Well, I went in expecting gunfire, explosions, monsters, and a few scares here and there, and that's what was delivered, along with some top-notch special effects, good soundtrack, and pretty decent acting, all things considered. I wouldn't consider myself the harshest movie critic, but based on my "Sci-Fi Action Thriller" criterea, this one was pretty good.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Derald]

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That IS about genetic mutation, not demons and the ilk. Pay attention next time, please.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[FONT=Lucida Console][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]I did, and it was you who did not pay attention to how my phrase was worded. Please notice that I stated the "unlike the movie" at the end which clearly described the comparison between the game's "heck" on mars and the genetic mutations of the movie. I dislike it when a person responds without reading carefully.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Onix]

[quote name='Derald][FONT=Lucida Console][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed]I did, and it was you who did not pay attention to how my phrase was worded. Please notice that I stated the "unlike the movie" at the end which clearly described the comparison between the game's "heck" on mars and the genetic mutations of the movie. I dislike it when a person responds without reading carefully.[/COLOR][/SIZE'][/FONT][/quote]

[COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1]...Open mouth, insert foot. My apologies for the mistake.

However, would you really want a movie based directly on the game? If it was completely the same, there would be no point in making a movie, since the game would already be there. I tend to like a little innovation in my cinema, be it game, book, or remake. But, maybe I'm just more accepting to the wills of the film-makers.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Jakehammaren]

[QUOTE=Unborn Lord Xion][COLOR=SlateGray][SIZE=1]
However, would you really want a movie based directly on the game?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

YES! I think the whole "hell on Mars" thing is WAY cooler than genetic mutations. And while the storyline is already in the game as you said, putting it in a movie would have provided a whole new look into it.

[Lafleur]

[quote name='Jakehammaren']YES! I think the whole "hell on Mars" thing is WAY cooler than genetic mutations. And while the storyline is already in the game as you said, putting it in a movie would have provided a whole new look into it.[/quote]
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Doom is, always had been, and always will be mindless violence. Doom 3's plot was just superficial filler in between action sequences. Doesn't surprise me they'd try too redo things. You don't win screenplay Emmey's for a Half-Life Ripoff.

BTW, Hell's Fire. There is a Halo movie coming out, but don't get your hopes up, it's being directed by the same guy who directed House of the Dead. And ya, a Half-Life movie would be sweet beyond measure! Wonder who'd play Gordon... [/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

Really, flimsily explained genetic monsters is just as lame as monsters straight out of Hell as far as the basic premise of Doom goes. I don't see what the difference would be.

The first person segment near the end sounds pretty badass, though. That's all I'd like to see.

[quote name='Lafleur][COLOR=DarkRed']BTW, Hell's Fire. There is a Halo movie coming out, but don't get your hopes up, it's being directed by the same guy who directed House of the Dead. And ya, a Half-Life movie would be sweet beyond measure! Wonder who'd play Gordon... [/COLOR][/quote]

No director has been announced whatsoever. I don't know where you read that. Aside from the screenplay writer and the producers (one of which is Peter Jackson), nothing has been brought up.

[Brasil]

Why not reply?

Okay, so the parental units were visiting the brother this past weekend. I had work, so I couldn't drive 7 hours out to Pittsburgh with them. Now, with my girlfriend staying at Rowan this past weekend, I had pretty much nothing to do, apart from work and schoolwork/studying.

I can't have that. I check the local movie listings and lo and behold, there's a 10:45 pm showing of Doom at the usual theatre my friends and I frequent. I give Alec (Final Remix on OB) a call and tell him what's going on Saturday. He's game, then I call up Mary, a friend of ours. She's...okay with going to see it.

Alec and I had the following to say as we were leaving the theatre after the movie:

[center][size=3][color=DarkRed][i][b]Sweet zombie Jesus that was awful!![/b][/i][/color][/size]
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The weirdest thing was that we were laughing our ***** off as we left. I don't think there was a span of more than five minutes where we weren't. The movie was probably one of the worst things I've ever seen. The dialogue was generally exceedingly lame (though the "You gonna shoot me" exchange was priceless), the characterization was...non-existent.

But the action sequences were very well done, and overall, I think the movie stays exceedingly true to the game, except for the lack of a true Hell story. Although, there is a hint of spirituality throughout the film, so it's not as if there's a complete lack of "ultimate evil." In retrospect, they handled "evil" pretty well, albeit in a lame "the last 10% of the human genome may very well be the soul" sort of way.

Most of the movie was pretty painful, even for videogame nerds. Incidentally...the movie is strictly for videogame nerds only, and even then, some may be pissed off.

As far as I'm concerned, though, we've got Doom music playing pretty much all the way through--and it's fantastic during the major set pieces. The cinematography was surprisingly good; they did some pretty innovative transitions, particularly the transition into the FPS portion of the film.

And any movie that features a mutated Rock going "Semper Fi, motherf-cker" has got to be a good time.

So, if you want to have fun at the movies--and most importantly, if you're going with a group of really nerdy friends with dorkish senses of humor, who laugh at all sorts of gratuitous violence--I'd recommend Doom. It's probably the funniest thing I've seen all year, although Sky High was pretty damn funny, too. Though, Doom is a more "Oh my God did you see that?!?!" type of funny.

[Corey]

[size=1]For being a movie based off of a video game, and having The Rock in it, it was a damn good movie.
But that's not saying much.[/size]

[Dragonboym2]

[COLOR=Blue]It was good, but there were some problems. There seemed to be only one kind of monster, instead of many. And IT'S A VIRUS!? They are supposed to be DEMONS FROM HELL!! Not a stupid VIRUS!
At least it wasn't in the desert like I heard it was going to be in.
The FPS scene, that was cool. It was short, but really cool.
The acting was sub-par. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson did a good job, but he could be better. Oh, BTW What does "Semper Fi" mean anyway?

"KAMEHAMEHA!"

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[Lafleur]

[COLOR=DarkRed]In the words of me and every sane person who watched that movie:

[SIZE=4][B]WHAT IN THE SEVEN CIRCLES OF HELL WAS THAT![/B][/SIZE]

I've pissed patterns in the snow that made more sense! Here, let me outline the overall ******ness of this movie!

[spoiler]One: Why in the hell can they get all the way to Mars and not install one freaking Lightbulb? The reception area and the living area is all perfectly well lit! But the Science Area, where all the reserch takes place, is pitch ******* dark! Even in the flashback before the whole thing started it was pitch black!

Two: Why the hell does a man nicknamed 'Destroyer' (Who is in live with his chaingun, no less!) not posses this evil gene, while some nervous freak/womanizer dude does? It doesn't add up! You'd expect an evil gene to cause evil! Or what about Goat? Was it mere retarded plot-hole or a veiled stab at Christians? Why does he posses this evil gene, he doesn't do anything wrong! While we're on the subject of Goat, how come his light goes out for 'some reason'? I mean maybe if they made it so those things give off a electricity-nullifying aura, but they dont't! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Three: How did they build that ******* base on Mars? Don't they transport there by getting sucked into a floating ball of mercury? What, did they discover this floating thing and throw people through it randomly in various forms of protection in hopes they'd return one day with a fully-operational spacestation waiting on the other side? Even the PC version made more sense, they flew there!

Four: WHY DOES EVERYONE SUCK SO MUCH ***! Once the thing saws (Saws? It never really clarifies how the thing cut a perfect shape into the door) through the door and gets to Earth (BTW, how did Pinky get through the portal before that thing got him? And even then, how did he survive the slaughter that followed?) why does EVERYONE DIE. It takes a minuet to kill 700 people! WHY ARE NONE OF THEM ARMED? THEY KNOW THAT SOMTHING STUPID HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE, DON'T THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKUP PLAN? Also, the Rock says that the thing sabatoged the computer because it was a 'rocket scientest'. THE ROCKET SCIENTEST IS DEAD! ITS A MINDLESS KILLING MACHINE! EVEN THEN, ITS AN ANTHROPOLOGIST/ARCHEAOLOGIST, NOT A ROCKET SCIENTEST!

Five: Why is it that, on Earth, all of the turned humans are in one area? It's like Resident Evil all over again! They walk through the whole tihng and its empty... but open one door, and BAM! 100,000 ******* zombies just waiting for you! Besides, why doesn't the Nano-door close? It just doesn't... right... Plus Duke gets pulled down through the grate! What are they made of, aluminum? Goat can't even break through glass and this thing can tear apart metal? What?

This is just a small fraction of the shittyness of this movie! If I wasn't on the verge of throwing up I'd explain more, but the movie sucks so many forms of *** I can't bear to think about it anymore!

Amongst all the complete crap that is DOOM, there was one thing I enjoyed - the First Person part that lasted about 20 seconds. IF THEY HAD DONE THE WHOLE MOVIE LIKE THAT, GOTTEN SOME BONEFIED ACTORS, AND MAYBE MADE SOME EFFORT INTO MAKING A DECENT MOVIE, THEY'D HAVE A DECENT MOVIE.

The Destroyer vs DOOM Thing fist fight was actualy pretty fun to watch. But it was complete crap. Destroyer is a soldier, correct? He has this thing pinned againts the lightning wall, correct? WHY DOES HE RUN? He could have broken the things neck and ended it right there... but no! I'm gona climb some chain thing. Why does he even go there anyway? Didn't Rock say to stay by the door?

DOOM SUCKED ALL FORMS OF ***! I WISH THEY'D JUST MADE DOOM ONE AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT PLOT MADE MORE SENSE.

The BFG was cool... for the 15 seconds you saw it.[/spoiler]

I'm a harsh critic, but anyone who watched this movie knows what I mean - it made no ******* sense! NONE![/COLOR]

[Brasil]

It's late, but I'll humor you.

[quote name='Lafleur][spoiler']One: Why in the hell can they get all the way to Mars and not install one freaking Lightbulb? The reception area and the living area is all perfectly well lit! But the Science Area, where all the reserch takes place, is pitch ******* dark! Even in the flashback before the whole thing started it was pitch black![/spoiler][/quote] You needed to watch the movie more closely. Had you watched it more closely, you wouldn't be complaining about this.

[quote][spoiler]Two: Why the hell does a man nicknamed 'Destroyer' (Who is in live with his chaingun, no less!) not posses this evil gene, while some nervous freak/womanizer dude does? It doesn't add up! You'd expect an evil gene to cause evil! Or what about Goat? Was it mere retarded plot-hole or a veiled stab at Christians? Why does he posses this evil gene, he doesn't do anything wrong! While we're on the subject of Goat, how come his light goes out for 'some reason'? I mean maybe if they made it so those things give off a electricity-nullifying aura, but they dont't! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?[/spoiler][/quote] Again, [i]watch the movie more closely[/i] and actually think about it. If you just paid attention, you wouldn't be ranting about this, because your complaints here are very nit-picky when they're not completely explained by the movie to begin with.

[quote][spoiler]Three: How did they build that ******* base on Mars? Don't they transport there by getting sucked into a floating ball of mercury? What, did they discover this floating thing and throw people through it randomly in various forms of protection in hopes they'd return one day with a fully-operational spacestation waiting on the other side? Even the PC version made more sense, they flew there![/spoiler][/quote] And what did the characters know about the entire thing? Not much. How can you expect explanation when the characters themselves aren't entirely sure? Come on. You're nit-picking to the nth degree here. lol

And remember that it was a rather long and bumpy process, too. *indicates to Pinky*

[quote][spoiler]Four: WHY DOES EVERYONE SUCK SO MUCH ***! Once the thing saws (Saws? It never really clarifies how the thing cut a perfect shape into the door) through the door and gets to Earth (BTW, how did Pinky get through the portal before that thing got him? And even then, how did he survive the slaughter that followed?) why does EVERYONE DIE. It takes a minuet to kill 700 people! WHY ARE NONE OF THEM ARMED? THEY KNOW THAT SOMTHING STUPID HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE, DON'T THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF BACKUP PLAN? Also, the Rock says that the thing sabatoged the computer because it was a 'rocket scientest'. THE ROCKET SCIENTEST IS DEAD! ITS A MINDLESS KILLING MACHINE! EVEN THEN, ITS AN ANTHROPOLOGIST/ARCHEAOLOGIST, NOT A ROCKET SCIENTEST![/spoiler][/quote] I find myself wondering what does any of this matter? You're talking about regular people versus supermonsters. Honestly, do you think the fight was going to be fair? Or slow and drawn-out? The "rocket scientist" line was meant as a joke. I sincerely doubt it was to be taken as seriously as you're seeing it. I doubt it because I watched the movie and paid attention...what little attention was required. And...when you're hiding in a pile of corpses, you tend to be perceived as a corpse yourself. I don't see how your criticism there is all that valid.

[quote][spoiler]Five: Why is it that, on Earth, all of the turned humans are in one area? It's like Resident Evil all over again! They walk through the whole tihng and its empty... but open one door, and BAM! 100,000 ******* zombies just waiting for you! Besides, why doesn't the Nano-door close? It just doesn't... right... Plus Duke gets pulled down through the grate! What are they made of, aluminum? Goat can't even break through glass and this thing can tear apart metal? What?[/spoiler][/quote] Why not, though? Open door, "oh shiite!" Given that Goat doesn't take more than a few minutes, what makes you think it's so impossible for a group?

The shot that destroys your criticism of the Nano-door not closing is a few seconds long and involves the Nano-door's control panel. Look for it. What makes you think Duke got attacked by a zombie, anyway?

There's no evidence at all in that entire sequence that that's what got him, and given the strength of some of the monsters in the film...come on; I think it's perfectly reasonable things can tear through metal. lol.

And Goat was, for all intents and purposes, still a human body during that glass window part. The human body (particularly the skull) does not respond well to that kind of contact.

[quote][spoiler]The Destroyer vs DOOM Thing fist fight was actualy pretty fun to watch. But it was complete crap. Destroyer is a soldier, correct? He has this thing pinned againts the lightning wall, correct? WHY DOES HE RUN? He could have broken the things neck and ended it right there... but no! I'm gona climb some chain thing. Why does he even go there anyway? Didn't Rock say to stay by the door?[/spoiler][/quote] Think about it: it's clear the beasty conducts electricity. The rod he used is made of metal. Metal conducts electricity. The walls are electrified. Why didn't he break the thing's neck when it was pinned by a metal rod, against a metal, electrified wall, with what seemed to be high voltage running through everything?

Dude, come on. You do the math.

[quote]I'm a harsh critic, but anyone who watched this movie knows what I mean - it made no ******* sense! NONE![/QUOTE] No offense, but most of your "criticisms" missed parts of the movie.

Let's hope the Spoiler tags worked correctly.

[Lafleur]

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You needed to watch the movie more closely. Had you watched it more closely, you wouldn't be complaining about this.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkRed]

Why not? During the flashback, the science area has light moodlightting, and then it's perfectly dark the rest of the fi;m. There were a few places that were well lit, like the med bay, but the rest of the place looked to be dark before the whole genetic mutation thing.
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Again, watch the movie more closely and actually think about it. If you just paid attention, you wouldn't be ranting about this, because your complaints here are very nit-picky when they're not completely explained by the movie to begin with.
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What's to watch? Destroyer was a shoot-first-ask-questions-later kind of guy, *Frogot the other dude's name* just wanted to sleep with women... Who do you think is the evil one?[/COLOR]

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And what did the characters know about the entire thing? Not much. How can you expect explanation when the characters themselves aren't entirely sure? Come on. You're nit-picking to the nth degree here. lol

And remember that it was a rather long and bumpy process, too. *indicates to Pinky*[/QUOTE]
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I don't care what they explain to me, I care about it not making sense. I seem to remember the ARK beign Martian in nature - what, did they discover tihs floating ball of mercury and throw people through it to see if it led anywhere? And send them with building materials to construct a fully-operational space station? Your right, it isn't fully explained - but maybe that's because it isn't fully explainable.

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I find myself wondering what does any of this matter? You're talking about regular people versus supermonsters. Honestly, do you think the fight was going to be fair? Or slow and drawn-out? The "rocket scientist" line was meant as a joke. I sincerely doubt it was to be taken as seriously as you're seeing it. I doubt it because I watched the movie and paid attention...what little attention was required. And...when you're hiding in a pile of corpses, you tend to be perceived as a corpse yourself. I don't see how your criticism there is all that valid.
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700 people, all of which are supposedly super-smart scientest people, can't think enough to pick up a gun prior to the things arrival? I mean if they knew somthing was happening on the other side, especially if they got that message from whatshisface, wouldn't you think they'd be armed?
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Pinky said that the thing cut through the door and he had to go through the ARK because it came at him to fast... right? So he had to jump through the portal-thing, and somhow get his gimpy *** into a pile of corpses that... were there before he got there? How could he survive the slaughter if he was coming through at the same time. It makes very little if no sense at all.
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Why not, though? Open door, "oh shiite!" Given that Goat doesn't take more than a few minutes, what makes you think it's so impossible for a group?

The shot that destroys your criticism of the Nano-door not closing is a few seconds long and involves the Nano-door's control panel. Look for it. What makes you think Duke got attacked by a zombie, anyway?

There's no evidence at all in that entire sequence that that's what got him, and given the strength of some of the monsters in the film...come on; I think it's perfectly reasonable things can tear through metal. lol.

And Goat was, for all intents and purposes, still a human body during that glass window part. The human body (particularly the skull) does not respond well to that kind of contact.[/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkRed]

Why not? Because it doesn't make sense for them all to gather in one spot. Behind a sealed door, no less. What, are all the people with the evil gene relegated to one section? Because I don't seem to recall any in the first few rooms...

I could understand if it just didn't work at all. But if it was half-closed or whatever you call what it did, if it was doing that it wouldn't make much sense... Things don't just sorta-work, they either work or they don't.

There is a split-second shot before Duke goes down that shows a pair of hands - human hands - reaching up through the grate, and rapping their hands around his ankles. They don't pull him down right away, they have a little drematic pause, and down he goes. [/COLOR]

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Think about it: it's clear the beasty conducts electricity. The rod he used is made of metal. Metal conducts electricity. The walls are electrified. Why didn't he break the thing's neck when it was pinned by a metal rod, against a metal, electrified wall, with what seemed to be high voltage running through everything?
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Hmm... you may be right there.

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No offense, but most of your "criticisms" missed parts of the movie.[/QUOTE]
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Hah, most of my rant was half-jokingly. When I see a movie I dislike, I tend to blow up the little things because I find it funny. Just somthing I do when I'm bored.

DOOM was a pretty bad movie though...[/COLOR]

[Brasil]

[quote name='Lafleur']Why not? During the flashback, the science area has light moodlightting, and then it's perfectly dark the rest of the fi;m. There were a few places that were well lit, like the med bay, but the rest of the place looked to be dark before the whole genetic mutation thing.[/quote] Ever hear of a photography dark room? I don't think it's such a big deal that certain lab areas were darker than others, because it's entirely plausible that the lab would operate under similar (though not identical to) procedures you would find in photolabs.

[quote]What's to watch? Destroyer was a shoot-first-ask-questions-later kind of guy, *Frogot the other dude's name* just wanted to sleep with women... Who do you think is the evil one?[/quote] A Marine who enjoys to shoot things (Destroyer) and a Marine who enjoys the ladies (Duke) do not belong in the same category as say, Goat or Portman. Destroyer liked to kill things. That doesn't mean he's psychotic. Duke liked the ladies. That doesn't mean he's psychotic.

Goat on the other hand? What did he do when he took the Lord's name in vain? That is heavily psychotic.

Or Portman? What was he looking to do on leave? Or, hell, remember his "We're on a strict Level 5 Quarantine..." bit?

No plot-holes. lol

[quote]I don't care what they explain to me, I care about it not making sense. I seem to remember the ARK beign Martian in nature - what, did they discover tihs floating ball of mercury and throw people through it to see if it led anywhere? And send them with building materials to construct a fully-operational space station? Your right, it isn't fully explained - but maybe that's because it isn't fully explainable.[/quote] Or maybe it is fully explainable--if the characters actually knew how to fully explain it. Remember there [i]are[/i] partial explanations during the movie, particularly from Sam and John.

Your point here reminds me of all the people who took issue with certain elements of Spielberg's War of the Worlds; because something isn't explained at all in a movie that closely follows the limited perspective of the characters, that something must be some type of plot-hole.

[quote]700 people, all of which are supposedly super-smart scientest people, can't think enough to pick up a gun prior to the things arrival? I mean if they knew somthing was happening on the other side, especially if they got that message from whatshisface, wouldn't you think they'd be armed?[/quote] Portman wasn't sending the message to the [i]science[/i] facility on the home side of the ARK; he was requesting back-up from the [i]military[/i]. I wouldn't be surprised if he was operating on the military's broadcast frequency, rather than sending the message to a bunch of labcoats.

[quote]Pinky said that the thing cut through the door and he had to go through the ARK because it came at him to fast... right? So he had to jump through the portal-thing, and somhow get his gimpy *** into a pile of corpses that... were there before he got there? How could he survive the slaughter if he was coming through at the same time. It makes very little if no sense at all.[/quote] He goes through the ARK a second or two before the creature gets through. He tries to find cover during the carnage, but is ultimately unsuccessful, getting flung around and happens to land near a pile of bodies. He manages to wriggle himself into it, while the beastie goes off into the other parts of the lab. A few moments later, the Marines come through.

You just need to think about the timing of it, because you don't have to stretch your imagination to guess what happens.

[quote]Why not? Because it doesn't make sense for them all to gather in one spot. Behind a sealed door, no less. What, are all the people with the evil gene relegated to one section? Because I don't seem to recall any in the first few rooms... [/quote] It's carnage. We're talking about complete dismemberment, death, destruction. Panic. There is no sense to begin with.

[quote]I could understand if it just didn't work at all. But if it was half-closed or whatever you call what it did, if it was doing that it wouldn't make much sense... Things don't just sorta-work, they either work or they don't.[/quote] Remember what Sarge said about their mission, then watch the scene again.

The Nano-door is either active or inactive, correct. And it was active, with no way to "close" it again.

And when the Nano-door is active, it's translucent. When it's translucent, you can slightly see through it, and things can go through it.

It's almost completely opaque when it's "closed."

There's no plot-hole here.

[quote]There is a split-second shot before Duke goes down that shows a pair of hands - human hands - reaching up through the grate, and rapping their hands around his ankles. They don't pull him down right away, they have a little drematic pause, and down he goes.[/quote] Like I said before, the human skull (the scene with Goat) reacts much, much differently than the rest of the human body to blunt contact--and tearing through steel grating isn't the same type of contact as Goat's infatuation with that window. I don't see any problems with Duke's curtain call...because there are no problems with his curtain call.

[quote]Hmm... you may be right there.[/quote] And other places, too.

[quote]Hah, most of my rant was half-jokingly. When I see a movie I dislike, I tend to blow up the little things because I find it funny. Just somthing I do when I'm bored.

DOOM was a pretty bad movie though...[/QUOTE] Okay...

And I agree. Doom was awful. But criticize it for things you can actually criticize it for. lol