Prussian Blue: Disgusting

[Doukeshi]

[SIZE=1]I still can't say I agree with you man. What they are doing is no different from, say, christian pop songs. The message is not to everyone's liking and possibly even threatening, but until they actually do something damning like, oh I don't know, kill someone, then I don't really think that capital punishment is the way to go. It would be like killing your opposition in a political rally.

Technically they themselves haven't done anything wrong, no matter how repulsive their views may seem to you. To them they are doing what they feel is right, not because they derive some twisted pleasure out of it (although they might, but thats not my point), they are saying these things because they view it as the best way to protect their race. In some ways, I guess such dedication is applaudable, but in most other ways its really not.[/SIZE]

[Lafleur]

[QUOTE=Doukeshi][SIZE=1]I still can't say I agree with you man. What they are doing is no different from, say, christian pop songs. The message is not to everyone's liking and possibly even threatening, but until they actually do something damning like, oh I don't know, kill someone, then I don't really think that capital punishment is the way to go. It would be like killing your opposition in a political rally.

Technically they themselves haven't done anything wrong, no matter how repulsive their views may seem to you. To them they are doing what they feel is right, not because they derive some twisted pleasure out of it (although they might, but thats not my point), they are saying these things because they view it as the best way to protect their race. In some ways, I guess such dedication is applaudable, but in most other ways its really not.[/SIZE][/QUOTE][COLOR=DarkRed]

What they're trying to do is irrelevent. It's what they [i]are[/i] doing. They [i]are[/i] spreading their message to the youth. They [i]are[/i] filling impressionable youth with notions of how evil non-whites are. They [i]are[/i] a threat. And responding to a threat with mere disdain won't make it go away. It's not technically wrong, no, but maybe that's because the Law never anticipated somthing this stupid to happen. It's wrong on every level except the one that counts.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[quote name='Lafleur][COLOR=DarkRed']Gavin, your an Irishman. You've doubtless heard of the IRA and their escapades. Now, I'm going out on a limb here, but I assume their views don't agree with yours. All well and good, until the IRA became not only a different view but a threatening one. Do you not feel outright disgust? Don't you feel that something nasty should befall them? [/color][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Of course I've heard of the so called "escapades" of the Irish Republican Army, though to be specific there are several factions of the IRA including the Provisional, Continuity and Real IRA each with different leaders and different agendas. These IRA factions are also descended from the original IRA who were formed shortly before the Irish War of Independence, which had several members of my family as members, two of which died bravely delivering Ireland's freedom.

However I'm getting off point, you asked me had I heard of the IRA and their exploits, the answer is yes. What you may not know and honestly I'm not surprised as it seems very few people have heard the news, is that the Provisional IRA which is the most powerful and oldest faction of the IRA has recently disarmed and decommissioned completely as accepted and witnessed by retired Canadian General John de Chastelain of the IIDC and two clergy members from the Catholic and Protestant Church.

To get back on point yet again, no I never felt disgust towards the IRA and her members, I did not feel that anything bad should happen to them. I felt tremendous sadness that so many young men were joining and supporting a group who under a guise of liberating Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom used a campaign of violence and terror against normal people from the North because they were Protestants. I feel the same sadness for members of the UVF or UDA on the Protestant side, because all the people of Northern Ireland are human beings.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Lafleur][COLOR=DarkRed]My point is thus: The Neo-Nazis not only differ from my viewpoint, they threaten it. They aim to spread intolerant white supremacist views throughout society. Prussian Blue is especially disgusting - they target children, Gavin. [i]Children[/i]. They aim to turn the youth into some timebomb of intolerance, worse than it already is, through tried-and-true methods. We're lucky they're terrible - not that that's stopped certain artists from attracting legions of fans - otherwise they might get an honest fanbase for their white-supremist garbage. Neo-Nazism has been growing every year - it's still limited but every year more people desert reality and follow this fad. I don't know how it is in Ireland, it's likely a non-issue because of what happened on the Isles during the Wars.

Now you might say death is a tad extreme. And you may be right. But I've had my dealings with brainwashed individuals (Separatists.. :animeangr ) and I know that, once you've been shovelled revisionist history your entire life, simply being proven wrong is not enough. Sometimes extreme measures are necessary.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]The fact that they target young children with their message is deeply saddening Ilium, but ultimately it is down to the individual themselves to accept the message of hatred and act upon it. You called Neo Nazism a fad, and I think you've hit the nail directly on the head with that statement, children are impressionable which makes it all the more distressing that they are the ones being targeted. However children grow and become adults and the beliefs we hold as children are not necessarily the beliefs we hold as adults, at some stage we grow up.

There will always be supporters of this kind of misguided hatred, but their numbers will always remain small because the average person is intelligent enough to see the message of hate is wrong. What is saddening is that the message of hatred is mostly passed from generation to generation in families and among those poorly educated who sadly know no better. I still say however that to murder these people because they preach hatred is no better than what they are preaching, and should we turn and kill them we lose part of our civilisation when we do so. [/SIZE]

[Harry]

[quote name='Manic Webb]"Boohoo, blame the parents." Their parents are no more or less guilty of being ignorant racists than they are. Their parents instilled racism them, too. And their parents easily fell for flimsily-reasoned propaganda written by a self-hating Jewish failed artist with daddy issues. These girls are [b]just as bad[/b'] as their parents, and if they live long enough to have children, they'll teach their kids the exact same thing.[/quote]
Are you seriously blaming 13 year old girls that were homeschooled (and most likely sheltered from everyone else) for not thinking for themselves? I also have no idea why you think they're going to be killed.

[Manic Webb]

[quote name='Harry']Are you seriously blaming 13 year old girls that were homeschooled (and most likely sheltered from everyone else) for not thinking for themselves? I also have no idea why you think they're going to be killed.[/quote]
The whole thing about them being killed is my own morbid sense of humor at work. I'm weird like that.

While the parents are the ones who likely sheltered these girls and instilled these ideals into them, I refuse to leave the girls themselves blameless. Everytime someone racist shows up these days, people always say "Well, it's not their fault. They're only ignorant because their parents raised them that way." There's plenty of blame to go around, in my opinion. Their parents taught them about white supremacy, and [i]they[/i] (the twins) are the ones carrying the tradition.

You simply can't place all of the fault on the parents, because they went through the same thing with their own parents. So who's to blame, now? The grandparents? Well, who did [i]they[/i] get it from? Their own parents? The Third Reich? This stuff doesn't just spawn from nowhere. The source of information shouldn't take all of the blame. These girls are White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis, and they have only my distaste and pity. They'll earn my respect if they ever change their ideals to something I don't find totally repugnant, and not a day sooner.

[Zidargh]

What I want to know is who the hell gave them a label to sing under and why in the first place?

On a general topic, I don't feel there's any point in trying to point a finger at the real source in the first place. If it was these two girl's parents fault, then surely the parents would've become like this under their parents. However, when there are people who talk about exterminating the source of the hatred, then it's a bit late because for all we know, the opinions could've been created 400 years ago. Which, I feel, will be very likely.

I'd never heard of Prussian Blue (Thank God), until this thread, but the fact they are using a form of mass-media to express their 'views' is worrying. Sometimes I wonder if the girls even know what they're talking about.

And now, I'm not going to be Mr. Pacifist and say everyone is wrong for wanting to beat the crap out of these girls, because I know that I would want to, too. However, what would it do? It'd only spark up a further reaction and give the 'Prussians' what they wanted in the form of a bigger following.

I'll use Malcolm X as an example. I highly respect this man, however, it could be argued that his protest that involved violence was no way near as successful as MLK's, simply because of the counter-attacks the Black Americans recieved after their 'protests'. (Just playing Devil's Advocate.)

These girls need to be re-brain washed into a more civil way of thinking. The fact that they are using the word Prussian, which was what Hitler fantasized Germany becoming - a one party/one central state is extremely worrying.

Interesting to see if we get Goebbels and Himmler in the form of 12/13 year old boyfriends of these girls.

[Guest kuroinuyoukai]

All I can contribute to this is that I think the record label is a white supremist label. I can't remember the name, but the owner said he was so proud of these girls. Does the mother not understand that she signed her daughters' death warrant when she signed their contracts? If they even have to go to a public school or college- they will be killed! And I agree that they have minds and can think for themselves. I live in the south and my grandmother used the term ****** for all blacks. She even said it about her friends. I will not call anyone a ******. i even hate it when people call each other nigga'! these girls have a choice.

[Red]

Their views are disgusting according to [i]opinion[/i]. Just as ours condemns the idea of a white supremist pop group, theirs justifies its existence.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. If people don't want to hear what they have to say - don't listen! This isn't 1930's Germany, where propaganda exists everywhere and the state has control over what it force-feeds us. You can choose to believe what seems to be yet another horrendously ignorant blast at multiculturism, or you can continue forming your own views on the world and act accordingly.

I can suppose that parents are in uproar, just in case their child flicks to the white supremist music channel and is subsequently brainwashed? Please. Part of parenthood is passing on knowledge; a refresher on what happened the last time part of the world embraced these beliefs should suffice. It's hardly like their creations are going to start appearing in the mainstream, is it?

Free will & freedom of expression doesn't mean everybody is going to stick to what's considered a 'morally acceptable' path, some will go down a road that seems incomprehensibly stupid... but that is their decision. Society without a variety of cultures, opinions & beliefs can end up stifling & restrictive - if people choose not to believe that (and sing about superiority complexes), they can go right ahead and do it.

[Sara]

So maybe this is bad of me, but my first thought was that I am worried that Misses Ashley and Mary-Kate are enough of a cultural icon that someone can be "The Olson Twins" [i]of[/i] something.

Whether or not I blame the kids themselves, I don't know. Maybe not yet. I have this idea that there's sort of an age of accountabiity for what you believe--when you move further away from your parents and start questioning and figuring things out for yourself. I place it around the start of high school (obviously this isn't true for everyone), and they're still, what? Maybe 7th grade? I'd like to believe that's the case, anyway.

[Guest grinner]

That IS disgusting. I really can't stand that they're using they're popularity to spread opinions like that.I really can't see if there really is a difference between two people if they were different colours ... We're all humans, and none of us have the right to prejudge people by the color.

But in the other hand, they're only brats. So I'd really wonder if someone would take a note from tehir word and keep it like 'yeah this is real stuff that's right' ...

If they were children or not, they've just gained some negative popularity with that.

This is my opinion.

[BlueEyedAngel]

Hi. I'm new to this forum. Allow me to briefly introduce myself:

I'm a huge fan of Japanese anime, and also a hardcore white nationalist. Yes, it is indeed possible to be both.

I've read the posts about Prussian Blue, and I feel that Lynx and Lamb are so horribly misrepresented that it would be a sin to not defend them.

When it comes to white nationalism, there is a very broad spectrum. On one end, there is the devout Christian, the straight A student, who bears no malice against other races, but merely wishes the best for his own people. On the other end, you have the hate monger, neo-nazi, skinhead, who wishes for the destruction of other races and an all-white world. I am the former.

Some of my basic feelings and beliefs:

1. I opposed the [U][B]FORCED[/B][/U] integration of people of other races [B][U]AGAINST[/U][/B] their will.

2. I prefer the company of people of my own race. This does not mean that I have no friends of other races, it merely means that I am more comfortable amongst my own kinsmen.

3. I do not believe that inter-racial relationships are bad or wrong, however, they're not for me. I like white girls with blue eyes and blond hair, that's my preference.

4. Let's face the truth, our country was established by whites. For those of you who disagree, would you care to explain who it was established by?

5. The immigrants coming into our country today are not of the same stock as the people who founded this country and who have been the majority of the population for the last 230 years. Immigration is contributing to the balkanization of America.

6. When Indians have a sense of identity, it's called culture.
When blacks have a sense of identity, it's called pride.
When Jews have a sense of identity, it's called history.
When whites have a sense of identity, it's called racism.

7. It is the racist who will exploit people of other races for his own benefit; it is the nationalist who will sacrifice his own self for the rest of his people.

I've been to their website, and according to what I read, there is no hatred for other races, merely a love of there own race.

It's my opinion (I could be wrong) that you guys reley too much on what you get from the mainstream media. Try to be open minded. If you are to condem these girls, you should at least know what it is that you are condeming.

I could go on forever, but I'll stop there for now. If anyone wishes to debate this with me, I would be glad to.

P.S. Wouldn't Lynx and Lamb look cool as anime characters?

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