Should there be School uniforms?

[Starr112]

Should there be school uniforms? Give reasons for your answer. I think there should be because then kids wouldnt get picked on for wht they wear.

[Kei]

[color=darkblue]Not true.

If other kids can't pick on clothes, they'll pick on shoes, accessories or whatever else they find to just demean someone.

I went to both an elementary and middle school where uniforms were required, and they did nothing to help bring down the percentage of teasing (which is one of the main reasons why uniforms were implemented in my school, though I don't know if that holds true for other places.)

Uniforms, while they may be able to help students abide by a dress code, just don't work to keep kids from getting picked on. Kids are cruel and they'll always find a way to make someone feel absolutely horrible about themselves. It's unavoidable.[/color]

[Adahn]

Implementing a dress code requiring uniforms eliminates apprehension about choosing what to wear to school.

It also eliminates the freedom to choose what to wear to school.

Ultimately, it is a choice between the reduction of apprehension, and freedom. Moving towards freedom increases apprehension. Moving towards the reduction of apprehension decreases freedom.

So long as the decision doesn't have a significant effect on the balance between the two, it is a feasible decision.

An interesting study could be conducted drawing a random sample of students, requiring them to don a uniform for a period of time. The other students could wear whatever was acceptable to the current dress code. One could then observe how the two groups operate and interact, noting any differences and ultimately allowing one to see the favorability of each choice.

If there does not seem to be a difference, don't enforce uniform wearing. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]Our Education Department [i.e. for the whole state] is considering, or has, implemented legislation that... well, from next year we need to wear school shirts and pants and all that kind of stuff.

This is for public schools, by the way. Currently our school has school shirts and school jumpers, but these are non-compulsory. And I don't think you can enforce a full-uniform dresscode in a public school to be honest. Living in the country, it's impractical to send kids who don't wear the uniform home, plus they aren't even letting jeans be worn. I think that compulsory school polo's is fine - but I will not wear full uniform. That's ridiculous.[/size]

[Nomura]

I don't believe that we need school uniforms at all. Every single person has the right to be themselves and wear the clothes they feel most comfortable in. As for me... Skater tees and faded out jeans work nice and are pretty darn comfortable. :animesmil

[Brasil]

School uniforms are lame solutions to a problem that ultimately comes down to something as simple as students dressing within reason. That's the focal point of the issue. Some students don't dress within reason--and dressing within reason, as far as I'm concerned, is not difficult at all.

A girl wearing a sheer, see-through top with what isn't really considered a bra in most societies is certainly [i]not[/i] dressing within any reasonable limits. That much should just be common sense. I don't need to see someone's *** because their pants are hanging too low, just like I don't need to see nipples every single time a girl brushes up against her shirt incorrectly.

I think limits (for public schools, at least) are definitely a good idea, but school uniforms are just exceedingly unnecessary when all the solution comes down to is needing to set reasonable limits for attire and penalizing students who still violate those limits.

Because, as far as I'm concerned, requiring students to dress in unsoiled, untorn, untattered, non-over-revealing clothing is not requesting them to suddenly forgo whoever the hell it is they're trying to be.

College, it's different. You kind of expect to see some thong-age every now and again, stuff like that. I don't even see the likelihood of a dress code on the collegiate level, too, because college is largely an uncontrolled student body; students come and go as they please, so a dress could would be ridiculously hard to enforce.

But really, what kind of dress code are we talking about enforcing anyway?

Seems like just common sense.

So...I'd rather people use common sense when deciding what to wear. Navy blue Dockers and light blue Polo shirts are just totally lame solutions.

[visualkei]

I don't think school uniforms are necessary, either.

If we're talking about hardcore uniforms here, it'll be easier to put clothes on in the morning. But you know, people who take forever to dress are gonna take forever to dress with or without uniforms. They'll have a hard time picking out their shoes/jewelry/accessories and doing their hair to look more unique.

Those who pick on kids for their clothes... they'll find something new to pick on. There's always something available to pick on someone about.

Some argue that it's cheaper. Well maybe it's cheaper if you wore totally hardcore uniforms that look the same everyday so you can get away with wearing two outfits a week.

As for me I think it's more expensive because when uniforms are implanted, you're going to have to go out and buy more clothes instead of wearing your old ones or hand me downs. This is especially so for schools that have dresscodes that aren't strict --I think are unreasonable, and don't really help out much. This is because the kids will definately have to buy a whole new wardrobe so they can have collared shirts of different colors and styles and different khaki coloured pants and slacks. This was how it was when I went to high school (in Texas). You could wear blue/black/khaki pants as long as they weren't jeans. And any kind of solid colored collared shirt. It ended up making everyone spend a lot more money and wear clothes we hated. The richer kids still got to wear the designer pants and the poorer kids had to go buy new clothes.

I like wearing whatever I want, and I think I can find clothes that are less expensive, and look way better, too. Uniforms don't leave much room for creativity or comfort.

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

In my own experience I think uniforms are a good idea, so long as they are uniforms that the students themselves actually like and don't regard as simply being a method of enforcing some kind of universal dress code on people. I know that statement seems somewhat of a contradiction , but when I was in secondary school most people were happy to wear the uniform because it was a nice uniform and took the hassle out of having to choose something different to wear everyday. The only contention I ever recall coming to a front about them was the interest among the students, particularly the seniors of changing the jumper and tie colours from wine to black.

Personally I've neither for or against the ideas of uniforms, on the one hand they prevent people's own dress code from getting completely out of hand and prevent people from being made fun of over what they wear, because everyone is wearing the same thing. On the other they often lead to contention in the classroom as teachers can focus on the fact that a student isn't wearing their uniform properly instead of concentration on their job of teaching, as well as that the uniform itself can look somewhat outdated based on some schools. Again I'm not really bothered by whether they're there or they're not, but they do serve some purpose in their implementation at the end of the day.[/SIZE]

[BurnerMan]

Interesting topic. Anyway, if there had to be school uniforms, I would have to say that I would want Japanese school uniforms. I mean, at least Japanese one's look decent. But I wouldn't want them. They would just be annoying and in the way.

[Nomura]

Yes. Japanese uniforms for girls are decent. Not so sure 'bout the male versions...

[celestialcharm]

[COLOR=DarkOrchid][QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]Our Education Department [i.e. for the whole state] is considering, or has, implemented legislation that... well, from next year we need to wear school shirts and pants and all that kind of stuff.

This is for public schools, by the way. [/size][/QUOTE]

My Secondary School is going to do the same thing. People in my school, look like thugs. Some of them aren't following the rest of the dress code, so uniforms for us...

From what my mom told me (she's a member or the PTA :animeswea ) we are probably going to have the full uniform, with a dress shirt, pants, skirts, vests etc. They will most likely be navy blue, light blue and white.

Personally, I don't have a problem with uniforms. Although, they are expensive, I think that it would make people more concerned about their personal hygiene. Some people in my school, have hygiene problems, so I would think that people would be washing the uniform more frequently. Plus, to me, uniforms look cute.

But, uniforms, or no uniforms, people are always going to break the rules! But, at least they have more time to plot how they are going to break them, since they don't have to spend any time in the morning deciding what to wear, if we all wore uniforms.[/COLOR]

[Pumpkin]

[quote name='Lady Katana][color=darkblue']I went to both an elementary and middle school where uniforms were required, and they did nothing to help bring down the percentage of teasing (which is one of the main reasons why uniforms were implemented in my school, though I don't know if that holds true for other places.)[/color][/quote][COLOR=#663333][SIZE=2][FONT=ARIAL]I had to wear uniforms only once in my years of schooling and that was in elementary school. Uniforms solve nothing and don't erase any cliques there will always be them in highschools and middleschools. There will always be someone who breaks the rules and defies authority *cough* infact since I was a tomboy when I was younger, I refused to wear the plaid skirts we had to wear and instead wore the boy shorts. Eventually I made the teacher's accept it once I got the whole class to do the same thing.

Once I got to a public school, I noticed I had much more freedom of choice. It helped me be independent because the style of clothing you choose sets you apart from people. You have to admit, the clothes you wear, do send a message out to people. Part of first impressions are by the clothes that you are wearing because that is an expression of yourself. I hope that makes sense and this has proved that Uniforms do not only not help the school but also take away a person's individuality. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[SunfallE]

[quote name='Starr112']Should there be school uniforms? Give reasons for your answer. I think there should be because then kids wouldnt get picked on for wht they wear.[/quote]

[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]Personally I don't think school uniforms are going to stop kids from picking on each other. Like Lady Katana said they will just find other reasons to pick on you.

I myself never attended any schools that required a uniform, but I have many friends who did and never made that much of a difference.

Plus there is the issue that many parents can?t afford uniforms. Like others have mentioned lots of parents get a good portion of the clothing their kids wear from second hand shops. When I attended school I often wore the hand me down outfits that my cousins sent my mom when they outgrew them.

The whole point of public school is to help the regular person be able to afford to have their children attend school and uniforms is just an unnecessary expense if you ask me. It?s a good idea to have limits as Brasil mentioned as there really are things that aren?t considered acceptable. For one thing when you finish school you will be required to follow dress codes at most jobs anyway, so you?ll be learning what future employers expect in terms of casual or more formal dress.[/COLOR]

[Shadow Blade]

[size=1][color=slategray]Damn these Cursed Uniforms.

Where I am currently going to school the school board are seriously thinking about installing school uniforms. The reason: These uniforms will decrease the molesting among students and peers. How can the School Board believe that if all students have the same attire the environment will become a safer place to learn . Sorry to bust your bubble Starr112 but uniforms aren't the solution to decrease the taunting and teasing that other students endure because of their sense of fashion. I swear if they make our highschool into some prep school I'm outta there. No way are they going to make me wear several uncomfortable garments. I just don't see any problems solved by having the same dress code.

It's pathetic. It's lame. It's stupid.
That's my philosophy.


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[DBZgirl88]

[COLOR=#004a6f]The only time I've ever had to wear school uniforms was in the first grade when I was living in Saudi Arabia (started grade 2 in canada).

Instead of buying them from the school we had to go to a tailor and get them custom made for us. Each person's uniform was different, but they all followed the same guidlines: A full length dress (okay, more like robe) of a horrible, dull grey color, and a white tie on collar, kind of like a bib. I hated those uniforms!

I remember some girls got really extravagant bibs and taunted the rest of us who had plainer ones.

Anyway, I think there's no need for uniforms in public schools if you have a good dress code.[/COLOR]

[Baron Samedi]

[quote name='Starr112]Should there be school uniforms? [B]Give reasons for your answer.[/B'] I think there should be because then kids wouldnt get picked on for wht they wear.[/quote]
[SIZE=1]It's just occurred to me - this isn't a question for an English assignment or anything, is it?[/SIZE]

[Gavin]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][SIZE=1']It's just occurred to me - this isn't a question for an English assignment or anything, is it?[/SIZE][/quote]

[SIZE=1]I wasn't going to say anything but now that you've brought it up Josh, it does sound a quite like an assignment question, or perhaps it's just the way the question itself was phrased that gave such an indication. Still having debating the exact point we?re now discussing it can be handy to hear both sides of the argument without reservation or bias.[/SIZE]

[Panda]

If it is an assignment I hope I get a Gold Star for my response!

I feel the use of uniforms to combat bullying is futile. Kids will pick on each other over other things. If it is not the clothes you wear then it is your haircut, what you ate for lunch, what car your parents drive...there are millions of things they will find to tease each other about.

When I was in school (public) there was only a decency dress code to begin with. Girls skirts had to be a certain length and you couldn't expose too much of your chest. That sort of thing. Later they added "content" to the code. You could not wear anything that advertised beer or cigarettes. You could not wear shirts that had suggestive items printed on them...Big Johnson shirts or images of women in bikinis. Some concert t-shirts fell into this catagory. Later P.E. uniforms were added to make sure kids followed this rule. Everyone had the same shirt and shorts. Teachers would judge students' attire and if they didn't like what you were wearing you were sent home to change.

It didn't stop kids from picking on each other. Forcing kids to fit a mold only makes them want to break out of it.

[Drifting soul]

In England everyone has to wear school uniforms. (Even in sixth form college we have a dress code.) All this meant was everyone went out of their way to break the rules to look cool. If you didn't stick to the dress code you got detention but if you did you were bullied. It's a no win situation. :animesigh

[Starr112]

[QUOTE=Lady Katana][color=darkblue]Not true.

If other kids can't pick on clothes, they'll pick on shoes, accessories or whatever else they find to just demean someone.
[/color][/QUOTE] But, that also eliminates one problem: kids wont judge other kids for what they wear.

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1']It's just occurred to me - this isn't a question for an English assignment or anything, is it?[/size][/quote]
No, but I just didnt want people just to say 'no I dont think people should wear school uniforms' I wanted to know why they feel that way.

[b][color=DarkSlateBlue][size=1]Starr112, please don't double post. I've merged your two consecutive posts together, but in future please just use the 'EDIT' button in the bottom right of your post if you feel the need to add something.
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[Guest kuroinuyoukai]

[quote name='Starr112']But, that also eliminates one problem: kids wont judge other kids for what they wear.[/quote]

Well when I was in school we didn't have uniforms. Only the catholic school in town did. I understand what you're saying, but there have always been those who will make fun of anything. A uniform won't solve anything. People will add their own style to the uniform and that will be made fun of.

Also what about those single parents or people with parents on welfare? Uniforms are expensive and money that could be used on something vital would be wasted. :animesigh

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=Lady Katana][color=darkblue]Not true.

If other kids can't pick on clothes, they'll pick on shoes, accessories or whatever else they find to just demean someone.

I went to both an elementary and middle school where uniforms were required, and they did nothing to help bring down the percentage of teasing (which is one of the main reasons why uniforms were implemented in my school, though I don't know if that holds true for other places.)

Uniforms, while they may be able to help students abide by a dress code, just don't work to keep kids from getting picked on. Kids are cruel and they'll always find a way to make someone feel absolutely horrible about themselves. It's unavoidable.[/color][/QUOTE]
[size=1]Hm. I think it's the complete opposite way around with uniforms in private school. All my life, I went to public schools without uniforms, and now, I go to a Catholic high school.

I've noticed that there's not really any teasing at all about what others are wearing. This is because you can't wear any shoes with a logo in sight, and there's no variation you can really put on it. This is certainly a relief and a welcome change after middle school, where kids would be mortified for not wearing Jordans or a 'fresh jersey'.

That's not to say that people still don't get burned by one another based on just facial features and behavior. *shrug*

As for if there should be uniforms - I really don't care anymore. After two (and then some) years in a private school with uniforms, it feels pretty comfortable to me, and I look good in a suit and tie, so I'm not complaining. On top of it all, I don't need to worry about what I'm wearing.[/size]

[Animesword]

[quote name='Starr112']Should there be school uniforms? Give reasons for your answer. I think there should be because then kids wouldnt get picked on for wht they wear.[/quote]
I think we should have school uniforms. My first reason: because they're awesome looking! My second reason:because it's hard for me to pick out what I want to wear.

[Ailes de Velour]

People don't have to judge people on what they wear when it comes to clothing. It's the same way with hairstyles and make-up and the like. My middle school had "uniforms," which consisted of a white or navy polo shirt with or without the school insignia, and khaki or navy pants. For some stupid reason, we were forbidden to wear jeans. Should anyone violate these laws - GASP - you got a full day of in-school-suspension.

Even with these uniform codes, I could always tell who listened to hip-hop (normally, stereotypically, the hispanic and black people with tons of gold jewelry and gel in their hair) and as a result, who I would not like to associate with (forgive me if that seems racist, but people who dress that way often talk in some kind of confusing slang that I don't even comprehend, and they don't think on whatever level I do).

You also had the skater boys, who wore the baggiest pants (as well as the mallcore people) and the skateboarding shoes. The mallcore people wore converse. Then you had people like me, who didn't accessorize or dress a certain way. And of course, the sore thumb: one of my best friends. Everyday, she came to school with some odd take on the uniform. Stilettos, three inch boots, interesting jackets, and different purses. Sometimes she would wear long pants and converse, once she surprised us with short shorts and flip flops. Like I said, people can judge people regardless of uniform, sadly. Myself included.

The uniform wasn't completely terrible, but every year when I had to get new shirts and pants the shopping trips would always end up with my mom angry with me for not wanting anything available. I used to be a very picky person, and no store anywhere sold any pair of pants that I could wear to school that I actually wanted to wear. I eventually had to settle for some ugly fisherman pants (which some woman substitute told me she liked and asked me where I got them; o_O).

Therefore, I see absolutely no point to uniforms at all. Oh well.