Undeterminable Sexuality

[Lotica]

[quote name='Hug Monster][COLOR=Purple]In that case, what am I? That's what I came here to find out after all, so please, enlighten me. I truly, honestly have an equal attraction to males and females and would be [b]willing[/b] to have sex with either, despite the undelying consistently avoided factoid that [b]I don't want sex at all[/b']. Yeah yeah, growing process my ***, why the hell can't I just be a goddamn frikkin bisexual no growing bullcrap and no it'll change stuff, no. I'm not changing so tell me what I am right now at this second because that's what I'll be.[/COLOR][/quote]
How about you don't label yourself at all? How about thinking of yourself (and everyone else for that matter) as a human being instead of labeling yourself or them by sexual preference? You're 14 for goodness sake...go climb a tree and think about it.

[Tical's Foxboy]

Yes I am bi I will admit that but I only had feelings for anime and game characters... but I have a crush on this guy and I am afraidto tell him and I know he is bi also. :animeshy:

[Shane12_01]

[QUOTE=Attimus331]Jesus, that was a stupid comment. "... and speaking of God I love Jesus does that make me gay?!? " C'mon, don't be so stupid. It's fine to love jesus, but if you had homosexual relations with him, then there would be a problem.

And also i don't believe you should encourage people to be gay.

Yep, god gave us freewill. So we can do anything, right? And since he gave us freewill, he must think it's ok to be homosexual, right? Otherwise he wouldn't have given us the option to be gay, right? Well...what about killing another person? By what you said, that's ok too. God gave us freewill, we should be able to be gay and kill people! ...do you see the problem with that argument? I hope you do.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry for some of the things I have said before, I admit some of it was stupid I was not in a good mind set to begin with... anyway, yes God gave us freewill, but that does not mean that everything that we do is a good thing I never said its a good thing to be gay its self, or to kill people to begin with... But I will stand behind one thing I said... Its your life do what makes you happy, Although I do hope that thing is not killing people. :animeswea

[Raquel]

I've experimented a bit myself, and in my opinion guys are more fun than girls. I think that conclusion comes from the fact that I like to be controlled. Not just sexually, but in most aspects of my life. Someone who can't channel my over abundance of energy doesn?t interest me much. I have yet to meet a female capable. I?m not even a sex fiend; I just find that most men/people in general aren?t happy without some form of sexual release. I?m not about to engage in sex with someone who won?t put some play into it. Not more than once anyway.

To Hug Monster, just don't worry about it is my advice.. When someone asks, explain how you have here. If they don't want to listen, trust me, they're not worth it. If you're not interested in them, why bother explaining? Tell them you're undecided. If they're a friend they should listen.

[Shwa]

[QUOTE][Quote]Once again, if you want to be gay, then by all means, be gay. It's your choice, your life. I can only offer my opinion. [/QUOTE]

Its not a choice, cant people get that through their heads??? I guess you could say its an instinct or something but its definately not a choice.

[QUOTE][Quote]And, if you're not willing to change your sexuality for the allmighty god himself, then i wouldn't say you're christian at all. Especially if he's thretening you with hell.[/QUOTE]

Meh...he can do whatever really.

[QUOTE][Quote}Before i respond to that, i'd first like to say that your grammar is absolutely horrible. Please fix it, seriously. It's painful to read that *****. Not to say the message wasn't strong, too bad the post itself was mediocre. ^_^[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I spell wrong and put my verbs and all that junk behind when I get a little angry, or when I'm in a rush for time, just a tad bit. :animesmil

But besides that, I didn't mean for your to have relations that only meant to have sex with someone else, sorry if you thought I did. Sex should be the last thing on your mind to be honest. I just meant like the others to not lable yourself too early before you are sure. Most bisexuals everntually find out what they like in a partner before the age of 20 (I read that in a online article for class, I though it was quite interesting). Those who dont just remain picking both or none at the same time.

[2010DigitalBoy]

[quote name='Raquel']To Hug Monster, just don't worry about it is my advice.. When someone asks, explain how you have here. If they don't want to listen, trust me, they're not worth it. If you're not interested in them, why bother explaining? Tell them you're undecided. If they're a friend they should listen.[/quote]

[COLOR=Purple]Y'know, I like that advice. Thanks :animesmil I think Ill stick with that.[/COLOR]

[AzureWolf]

[COLOR=teal]As the moderator James has said, I won't continue the conversation since it is slightly off-topic. However, I do feel the need to clarify two things before I stop: [quote name='Solo Tremaine']I really feel like you're splitting hairs hairs here, but fair enough. But if you can't tell how an animal's reacting to the situation it's being put in either, how exactly can you be comparing it to a homosexual human relationship where the feelings on both sides are obvious? The whole argument grinds to a stalemate on both sides if you look at it that way.[/quote] 1.) There's no stalemate. You are putting words in my mouth. YOU said one can't tell how an animal's reacting. I actually believe otherwise, but NEVER in this thread have I presented my opinion on the matter. In other words, YOU made the statement, and so the burden of proof lies with you, not with me. I wasn't pointing out my logical inconsistency: it was yours to begin with. Asking me to prove it for you doesn't make much sense, lol.

2.) As for my nonexistent request for scientific evidence, that's another series of words you put in my mouth. The questions were more rhetorical than anything else: where's your support (aka the burden of proof)? It doesn't have to be scientific, but there has to be something backing your opinion. You can't say "No, it's not like that" and expect people not to ask why.

You say there's a difference in having sex with an animal, and also say animals have sex primarily for other reasons than pleasure (which is ABSOLUTELY false, btw - pleasure is the driving force in all animals). That's great, but now prove what makes humans not animals.

And why is it that a human rapes an animal? So in the animal kingdom, there's no sex, just one member of the species raping another member? There's no way for animals to show consent? Don't answer: I'm merely putting the questions out to show that sex is sex, and consent doesn't need to be as adamantly obvious as you seem to demand.[/COLOR]

[Guest darkruler]

[QUOTE=Mage15][QUOTE]

Its not a choice, cant people get that through their heads??? I guess you could say its an instinct or something but its definately not a choice.

are u kidding me it's not an instinct to want to ram some guy from behind it just happens over time i've seen plenty of guys that go gay after high school. and it's been proven that some guys are born with a femine gene that makes them gay.

[Shwa]

Femenine[QUOTE][Quote]and it's been proven that some guys are born with a femine gene that makes them gay.[/QUOTE]

Ok, there is no scientifical proof that there's a "girl gene" thats hidden in every gay. I said before that I'm one of those "Down to earth" gay who like to get dirty with the other boys and dont care what I look like and such. The only way I'm girly is when I like to go shoppping for clothes or file my nail when they get too long. That could prove that I like to look good but it couldn't prove that everyone has to be like a girl if their gay. But like I said its not scientifically proven.

Hug Monster:
Besides the guys you like in the anime/video game world, is there any you like in the real world?

[Raiyuu]

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[Guest darkruler]

ok let me correct my stupidity it's not proven that it's a femine gene but scientist call it the gay gene that is passed through heredity it's on this site if u don't believe me.

[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244877/posts[/url]

this is what it says so u don't have to go there:

Science: How Homosexuality is "Inherited"

Weekend Guide: 15 October 2004, Friday.

Scientists say they have shown how male homosexuality could be passed from generation to generation.

Nature encourages mothers to pass on a "gay trait" to their male offspring by boosting their fertility, the Italian University of Padova team believes. Critics of the theory argue a gay gene would eventually be wiped out because gay couples do not procreate.

There is controversy about whether sexual orientation is a matter of choice, the authors of the study admitted. Campaigners say equality for homosexual people is the more important issue.

They looked at 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men and their relatives, which included more than 4,600 people overall. The female relatives on the mother's side of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than the female relatives on the father's side. This suggests that these women who, in theory, pass on the gay trait to their male offspring are also more fertile.

The researchers believe the homosexuality-increased fertility trait must be passed down on the female X chromosome. They pointed out that this would not explain the majority (80%) of cases, and that cultural factors might be important.


but u can go anyways if u want if u don't believe me. and raiyuu i don't care i'm not an english teacher so i don't exactly know how to do all that stuff and i don't care whether people read my posts or not but obviously some people were paying attention on that last one.

[Shane12_01]

ummm...someone has done there research or was extreamly bored and wanted to prove a point.
Sooo this is saying that the X cromisome needs to be passed down to a girl, but if it lands in a boy then that turns them gay or influences them??? this is starting to hurt my head, but what about those who dont have that trait... choice, lifestyle, homelife, other influences, or what? :animestun

[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=Mage15]Hug Monster:
Besides the guys you like in the anime/video game world, is there any you like in the real world?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Purple]As in sexual attraction? No. But, that could have something to do with the fact that I do not find black people attractive (I am NOT racist, I can't help what Im attracted to, as you said) and I go to an all-black school. I do have a boyfriend, albeit I only know him on here.[/COLOR]

[MindGrinder]

I think you should go with what you think is best for you. Even if you do become bi or homosexuality. You can't "choose" to be gay or straight. It's just something that happens. Do you think that all those gay people CHOSE to be discriminated and disliked because of being gay? Be what your heart tells you to be. Then you'll know.

[Drix D'Zanth]

I hate to be "that guy", but we should clear something up for the purposes of this discussion. Homosexuality is not genetically determined. There is no legitimate peer-reviewed scientific material to conclude that it is a genetically inheretable trait. Even if it [i]were[/i] a genetically-predetermined orientation, that would not really help against the case of its abhorrence. Homosexuality is a biologically abhorrent because it directly interferes with our basic natural function: to reproduce. Such a trait would be eliminated from the gene pool because of the inability for those exhibiting the phenotypical behavior to ... reproduce!

"But Jordan, you can artificially inseminate a lesbian!" So what? Unless artificial insemination becomes a regular practice among lesbians (which, it is not) that merely extends the longevity of the ( probably recessive) genotype a few generations at best. As far as homosexual male couples go... well, unless you can somehow pass your genes to an adopted child... yeah.

Does that mean Homosexuality is a choice? Nope. My favorite flavor of ice cream is chocolate. My favorite food is sushi. I like the color purple. And I like Quentin Tarantino movies. Now, I know I [i]like[/i] these things, but I can't actually point to a psychological causality from where these affiliations would stem. I would say the same might be true (on a more profound respect) for sexual orientation. I think that it is a product of development of the psyche, early interactions (and sexual exploration, for that matter), and upbringing.

So what? Does the fact that it may not be arbitrarily imposed upon those who ascribe to the sexual orientation devalue the arguments for sexual acceptance? I say no.

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]Actually, Drix, you're not quite right there. Most studies (particularly more recent and in-depth studies) on sexuality suggest that there's a genetic factor there. Right now nothing actually discounts that outright. It isn't confirmed, but so far, medical research is certainly pointing in that direction.

In any case, as I mentioned before...this thread has nothing to do with whether or not people find homosexuality or bisexuality to be right/wrong. I do not think it wise to suggest that a fundamental part of someone's humanity is "abhorrent" - if this were said about skin colour or hair colour or even something like religion or culture, I wouldn't tolerate it. And I certainly don't think it's acceptable in this case. We all have a right to our opinions, but let's try not to degrade or insult other people's basic humanity here - at the very least, it has nothing to do with the thread. But at very worst, it causes the thread to degenerate into some ridiculous ideological back-and-forth.

I should also stress that we shouldn't be comparing sex with animals to homosexuality. Surely it should be obvious and I shouldn't have to point that out. Regardless of gender, talking about something that crosses species is obviously a massive leap. "Sex is sex" is an incredibly simplistic viewpoint - afterall, sex does involve many other elements (one of the most basic distinctions being the difference between sex among consenting adults and rape, which is obviously completely different). Getting into semantics about the physical act is pointless, because it ignores that sex is more than a raw physical act, especially among human beings. I don't think it wise - or even logical - to bring that issue into these discussions.

I believe that the orginal poster's question has been answered in as many ways as possible, so I think we should end it here. Again, I want to stress - let's do our best to keep it on-topic in the future. We all know that these back-and-forths just don't get anyone anywhere and only lead to either outright biggotry or general arguing. [/font]