The Mosh Pit Beckons

[Box Hoy]

I still couldn't see a moshpit at a green day show. Half of their last album was played on the friggin radio and either it was way too fast or way too slow to mosh too.

But, the same goes for bands like Slipknot. People don't mosh at Slipknot concerts because Slipknot isn't as fast as metal. And SlowChemical, I'll save you from the mighty Jake, by telling you Slipknot, Static-X, Disturbed, and Lacuna Coil are all Nu Metal bands (crediting Jake for teaching me this)
Nu Metal could be considered a cousin genre to metal but isn't metal. Usually at Nu metal concerts you can't mosh because Nu metal is more trip out music, not fast and agressive, fighting music.

Now, punk rockers mosh also. Green Day just isn't a mosh band though. I've seen a moshpit however at punk rock concerts with bands like Anti Flag, Rise Against, and cKy.

[SlowChemical]

[SIZE=1]Nu Metal? Wow there too many categories of music. Well I wasn't saying that i can mosh to the bands a wrote done more like a listen to them. I thought some where metal but i wasn't really sure. Yet I thank you for the save from Jake is it? I didn't really want to get virtually yelled at lol.

Yes i know that mosh pits are ussually to a aggressive, fast, and what i think playful music. I wouldn't actually consider mosh pits a place to pic a fight yet more like a place for aggresive play. Also I had no idea that punk rock bands had mosh pits. I never consider that there type of music can go with the whole mosh pit thing. I'm not into punk rock at all and don't know much of the bands that fall into that genre.

Anyways thanks for the info and save, lol.
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[Box Hoy]

Ja, Nu Metal isn't metal at all though. Like I said, cousin genre, not a sub genre. I mean yeah, some Nu Metal is moshibble. Like Static-X but than even Static-X has slower songs. All bands have slower songs, but the question is, are they aggresive?

[quote name='SlowChemical']I like System of The Down yet i think they fall on the alternative side?[/quote]

Yeah, mainly more modern hard rock in my opinion. Don't think you can't mosh to SOAD though. I've done it before to B.Y.O.B. down at the local arcade.

If you want a clearer defintion of Nu Metal go to the thread heavy metal that was fairly active like a week ago, and read through it, and than you'll understand.

Back to concerts and moshpits. I bought tickets for the show on thr 30th in Portland with In Flames, Devil Driver, Trivium, and Zao. That's gonna rock. I just hope I don't get killed.

[SlowChemical]

[SIZE=1]You won't get killed...just really big ouchies, lol. I had a few incidents with mosh pits like i said. Yet i thought really remeber from what bands. I just remeber the scar left behind. Yes I admit I have a really horrible memory.
Incidents in mosh pit:
Pull on hair (feel on floor and they stepped on it)
Scrap knee (fell again)
Banged really hard against a person
Pin pericing my skin
I have a very visible scar on my elbow from a mosh pit incident. You can't ask me how, you can't ask me from what band...all i know there was a group of people rocking it all around me >.< [/SIZE]

[Otogi-san]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][SIZE=1]And, for the record, Green Day had never been [and never will be] pop. Green Day is Punk Rock. Just so you know.

I'm only bringing this up because I know Jakehammaren would throw rocks at me if I incorrectly placed any Metal band, I've seen enough of his posts to know. Lol.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
*Throws rocks at you*

Green Day is pop punk, currently. Their earlier stuff may have been punk, but I never liked them enough to bother to listen them much. If you want punk, listen to some Black Flag. I am. :) (Although their later stuff is catagorized very oddly.)

I understand the point of mosh pits, but I can't say that I'd ever want to be in one myself. I try to avoid injury whenever possible. Plus, I'd rather go to a show to actually hear the band, rather than flail my arms about. ;)

[sakurasuka]

[QUOTE=Otogi-san]*Throws rocks at you*

Green Day is pop punk, currently. Their earlier stuff may have been punk, but I never liked them enough to bother to listen them much. If you want punk, listen to some Black Flag. I am. :) (Although their later stuff is catagorized very oddly.)
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[SIZE=1]*Ignores the fact that you just threw rocks at a person you've never talked to in your life*

Listen to some of thier stuff. Not the crappy 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' or 'Wake me up when September Ends'. Listen to Saint Jimmy. Listen to Jesus of Suburbia. It's a hellovalot more 'punk' than some of thier older stuff.

I hate that people automatically don't like Green Day, just because they're popular right now. Everyone wants to 'be unique', but if being unique means bashing music I actually like just to deviate from the norm, then I'd rather be monotonous.

Even you just said you never bothered to listen to thier stuff, so I see no reason whatsoever that you have the right to judge.

By the way, I am familiar with Black Flag. Not bad, definitely not bad. I've heard much better, though, I must say.[/SIZE]

[Claire]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][SIZE=1]
Listen to some of thier stuff. Not the crappy 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' or 'Wake me up when September Ends'. Listen to Saint Jimmy. Listen to Jesus of Suburbia. It's a hellovalot more 'punk' than some of thier older stuff.
I hate that people automatically don't like Green Day, just because they're popular right now. Everyone wants to 'be unique', but if being unique means bashing music I actually like just to deviate from the norm, then I'd rather be monotonous.
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[FONT=Arial]Being unique is liking what you like because you like it and not letting others influence you. It's fine that you like Green Day, and it's fine that the other person doesn't like Green Day. I don't care for their new stuff, either, but I love their pre-American Idiot music. The only new song that I do mildly like is "Wake Me Up When September Ends," and even then I don't care for it. Maybe half of it is because they're so freakin' popular right now, but I know the other half is because I just don't like their new sound. I'm weird when it comes to popular things...I take pride in not liking what lots of people do. So, I like that I don't like their new stuff.

And also...:
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[QUOTE][b]Wikipedia[/b]
Green Day is a California based Pop-Punk/Punk Rock band , consisting of Billie Joe Armstrong (lead vocals, guitar), Mike Dirnt (born Michael Pritchard; bass, backing vocals), and Tré Cool (born Frank Edwin Wright III; drums, backing vocals). Since their sixth album, the band has included close friend and associate, back-up guitarist Jason White. Their success has been a major influence on other prominent pop-punk bands, such as Sum 41 and Blink-182.[/QUOTE]
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That's strange, that [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Day]article[/URL] didn't say that this afternoon. It used to say something about "ignorant people (and the band themselves) think that they are punk rock and they are not." I guess they changed it for the insulting part. I don't really see Green Day as punk anymore, but I'm not the authority on such a thing either. I know that they definitely aren't pop; they're more..."alternative rock," I guess.[/FONT]

[sakurasuka]

[QUOTE=Amelia][FONT=Arial]I'm weird when it comes to popular things...I take pride in not liking what lots of people do. So, I like that I don't like their new stuff.
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[SIZE=1]That's what I'm saying. Taking pride in not liking something everyone else happens to like at the moment. Why should it matter if everyone likes it or not? That's how people are defining unique nowadays, is different. And the statement you made actually helps my point. People [teenagers] these days would do most anything to be 'unique', but the definition of 'unique' is slightly different.

Everyone just wants to, as I stated before, deviate from the norm.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Amelia][FONT=Arial]
That's strange, that [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Day]article[/URL] didn't say that this afternoon. It used to say something about "ignorant people (and the band themselves) think that they are punk rock and they are not." I guess they changed it for the insulting part. I don't really see Green Day as punk anymore, but I'm not the authority on such a thing either. I know that they definitely aren't pop; they're more..."alternative rock," I guess.[/FONT][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]Hm. I think they're just as punk-influenced as they ever were. Most of thier songs still belong in the punk genre, I believe. Not some of the crap that was on American Idiot, but the few songs they really shined in were most definitely punk.

[Please listen to- Saint Jimmy, She's a Rebel, Jesus of Suburbia, etc. Not Wake me up when September Ends, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, or Give me Novicane. I'll agree, those are pushing the 'punk' limits.][/SIZE]

[Claire]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][SIZE=1]That's what I'm saying. Taking pride in not liking something everyone else happens to like at the moment. Why should it matter if everyone likes it or not? That's how people are defining unique nowadays, is different. And the statement you made actually helps my point. People [teenagers] these days would do most anything to be 'unique', but the definition of 'unique' is slightly different.

Everyone just wants to, as I stated before, deviate from the norm.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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If it were everyone, then the norm' would be not liking Green Day. Even then, I still wouldn't like the newer stuff (though I will try to listen to the songs you've recommended), but then people would always switch back and forth between liking something and not liking something because of what the normal function is. It's really confusing, but that's how it would be if *everyone* wanted to do what's not normal. =P

Owf...my brain hurts. ='( [/FONT]

[Jakehammaren]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka]We all know you don't like Green Day. Good for you. I personally don't like most of the music you like [some metal is alright, depends on the song], but I haven't ever bashed any of your favorite bands just for the hell of it =/

Just 'cause we aren't metal-heads doen't mean we can't enjoy a mosh pitt. Lol.[/QUOTE]

That's funny... I don't EVER remember mentioning disliking Green Day. I'm not sure how "we could all know I don't like them" if I didn't say anything about not liking them...

But this is beside the point. I actually appreciate Green Day's newer material more than their older stuff. It seems a bit more mature as far as my ears are concerned. Sure, it gets played on the radio to no end, but that doesn't really make a difference if the music holds strong. I think they've become better songwriters, and this I commemorate them for.

And just because my opinions regarding one type of music are strong doesn't mean I'm ignorant. I realize that other types of music may incite moshing at shows/concerts. Ska, Punk, and Hardcore (notice that these are not types of Metal music) all have their own types of moshing that happen with almost no exceptions at every show. My comment was that moshing doesn't happen at Green Day shows. I guess if you count groups of people jumping in unison and/or occasionally pushing one another as moshing, this could be the case, but I can't say I've ever seen an actual moshpit occurring at a Green Day concert. That was all. I wasn't band bashing.

And to finalize this, [I]what's the deal with being offended when it comes to band bashing[/I]? It's simply a difference in musical taste. People bash on my favorite bands all the time because, simply put, Metal is generally socially unnacceptable and misunderstood ("SLiPkNOt is teh metalzorz" being an example here). I understand that people aren't going to like or even try to understand it - this is just how it goes. Everyone needs to chill when they see their favorite band being dissed on. When I hear someone say "Children of Bodom sucks" or "Ensiferum is lame", I shrug and say "to each his own".

I'm not picking on anyone in specific here, so PLEASE don't take it wrong. I've seen it happen here on the Boards quite often, as well as everywhere else on the 'net, and even in real life. I guess I just felt the need to say somthing.

I apologize for the digression.

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[quote name='sakurasuka']Everyone just wants to, as I stated before, deviate from the norm.[/quote]

:laugh: Ah, the irony (and truth) of this statement is so beautiful. Everyone wants to be different - thus defeating the purpose completely and entirely.

[Jimbobalo]

I was never a big Green Day fan because I never really got into them. A few of my friends are really into them which is cool. Now really in my opinion Green Day are over rated because they are not that great. They are just a really average band and I've listened to that new album and didn't rate it compared to their early stuff like Dookie. Now in England there is this magazine known as Smash Hits which is a pop magazine and I saw the Green Day boys on the front of that cover and thats when I know that they had "sold out".

Now as for moshing I love to get right in a pit when it is going. When your in that pit it can get crazy but everyone has each others back as where not out to really do each other. Now out of all the pits I've been in only one time a guy went over board, but he was soon kicked out and had a couple of guys on him trying to calm him down. The best pit I've ever been in is when I went to see Trivium. That was a good night!

[sakurasuka]

[quote name='Jakehammaren']That's funny... I don't EVER remember mentioning disliking Green Day. I'm not sure how "we could all know I don't like them" if I didn't say anything about not liking them...[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Heh, sorry 'bout that. I suppose I just jumped to conclusions, due to the snoring smiley in your first post in the thread, and the 'Green Day doesn't have mosh pitts' comment. I just assumed things too quickly. Lol. My apologies.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Jakehammaren']:laugh: Ah, the irony (and truth) of this statement is so beautiful. Everyone wants to be different - thus defeating the purpose completely and entirely.[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Yeah, it's riddiculus. But that's how it is nowadays. Less and less people are liking music for the music, but rather for being able to say 'Yeah, I like so-and-so' to either 'fit in' or 'be different'. It's both sickening and hillarious at the same time.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Jakehammaren]And to finalize this, [I]what's the deal with being offended when it comes to band bashing?[/I'] It's simply a difference in musical taste. People bash on my favorite bands all the time because, simply put, Metal is generally socially unnacceptable and misunderstood ("SLiPkNOt is teh metalzorz" being an example here). I understand that people aren't going to like or even try to understand it - this is just how it goes. Everyone needs to chill when they see their favorite band being dissed on. When I hear someone say "Children of Bodom sucks" or "Ensiferum is lame", I shrug and say "to each his own".[/quote]

[SIZE=1]Because, when it comes to a popular band like Green Day, most people only bash or love them [i]because[/i] they're popular. It seems like it has little to do with the music anymore. That's why I get offended.

If you have an actual [i]reason[/i] you don't like them, go right ahead and let my know. For all the people who don't, I say they shouldn't even be talking to me.[/SIZE]

[Jakehammaren]

No problem. I probably should have specified - the snoring smiley face was only in reference to Green Day's "mosh pits". My opinions regarding the actual band themselves are completely different. Like I said, I don't [I]not[/I] like them, but it's not like they're one of my favorite bands.

And yes, Green Day has become one of those bands plagued with super-stardom. People tend to take their music for granted, which is sad.

[Guest Sean]

[SIZE=1]Wow, there's so much going on here. I personally despise Green Day, but I have saw a few 'pits' when they've been playing live, same with Blink 182, when I went to see them, I nearly got killed by 12 Year Olds trying to get to the front. Damn scary business...;).

The SOAD pits were something to be in, aggressive, but fun, as soon as someone gets knocked down everyone helps them get back up and direct them to the side or ask them if they wanna keep going, it was amazing.

Ah, the Taste of Chaos tour, featured bands such as: Reggie and the Full Effects, Killswitch Engage, Rise Against, The Used, Funeral for a Friend. This had to be one of the best concerts I've been to yet. Rise Against's pit was the best, they got a good wall of death started, Killswitch had a mediocre pit. The Used was alright, and FFAF didn't have much of a pit going, mainly because there songs are really slow, something to pull your lighter out for...which I did. (<3 History).

I've already said the tours I know that are coming up; I've heard Story of the Year, FFAF, and HIM are touring also. =D.[/SIZE]