How the woman's body is used. [Mature Topic]

[Citrus]

[SIZE=1]I am particularly upset right now. I was having a nice AIM chat with a friend and doing some internet surfing, a hobby of mine. Of course I wanted to check out a few Xanga sites because I like reading about other people's days and what not. But what I was about to find was just going to make me mad.

I went to this one site that seemed normal enough, until I hit the next page. He had two picures of these women naked, otherwise known as porn. I don't know if he had more but I exited that page and was outraged.

Now the woman body is half the time a sex symbol. It makes me mad because these young woman have so much beauty, but they express is in the most inappropriate way.

I just don't understand why woman choose to do this, when they have the capability of being something better.

What's your opinion on pornography? I would really like to know.[/SIZE]

[Ryoko Lita]

Well, I think it's sick. Why show off your body, just for perverted men to leer over it? Pornography also includes videos of people having sex, which is even worse. Sex is supposed to be a thing two people share, not for everyone to see over the Internet.

[Billie_Forever]

I think that it is morally degrading and the fact that some times the person who initiates it has no permission is just a compleate violation...though with permission it is still very VERY sick...but i suppose some women go for that sort of thing for money or just because they want to...i dont know what would drive them to do such a thing but...

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Citrus][SIZE=1']What's your opinion on pornography? I would really like to know.[/SIZE][/quote]

[color=green]We have a free market economy, so people should be able to sell what belongs to them.

If you don't like it you can, as you did, look away.[/color]

[Annie]

[size=1][color=indigo]I agree that it's [pornography] shocking/offending. It's no way to show your [women in general] beauty. I've heard some girls who are not necessarily porn stars, but rather sexually driven, that they do what they do because it excites them, it makes them happy to be able to control a man with her body. Then, there are a few who feel that their body is a work of art, and they're just expressing themselves with their obvious beauty. Also, I've heard a couple of girls say that it helps their self-confidence and self-esteem; they know their bodies are gorgeous, but they aren't convinced. Thus, they show it off and feed on the positive feedback--though, it isn't as tasteful as other, moral women would like it to be.

Pornography is not always graceful, it's not always moralistic, and it's not always art. It branches from sex acts to just photography. And there's the crossing-line. There is a difference between pornography and photography. I find that photographing a nude woman is more of an art. A woman's body is beautiful and demands respect. And I feel that a photograph captures [if done right] more of a woman's grace and dignity than some cheesy, trashy movie.

I wish I could give you an example of a beautiful, non-degrading photograph, but OB rules are there for a reason.[/size][/color]

[OMNOMNOMALY]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=Indigo]I'm most definitely not for porn, however, for some reason many of the women who do pose, or partake in videos believe it empowers them. Why? I don't know, I don't see anything empowering about posing not only naked, but not even tastefully so.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Edit: Sorry Goddess ^_^;; I skimmed when I shouldn't have. Basically, I agree with you >>

[Starwind]

The sad truth of the matter is that Boba's right. If it's what they want they can do it. I may be a teenager myself, but it doesn't mean I'm deep into porn or anything. It's true the female body is seen as a sex symbol, but that's been true for centuries, this is not just a recent thing.

If you want a society that was heavily driven by sexuality would be societys like the Greeks and the Romans. Trust me they were mouch more involved with such things then we are today.

I can understand why some would find it offensive, but in this free market society of ours, it's always been my philosophy that if you don't like it, then don't watch it, buy it or support it.

The porn industry isn't going anywhere as long as men are men. Let's face it, in high school not a lot of guys are getting to have sex, no matter what they might tell. So to fill this twisted need they turn to porn as an outlet. And as long as this is true, which it probably always will be, porn will be a booming industry.

As to why they would subject themselves to such things. your guess is as good as mine. It seems like it would be degrading.

[Annie]

[quote name='CoLoR_Me_EviL][FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=Indigo]I'm most definitely not for porn, however, for some reason many of the women who do pose, or partake in videos believe it empowers them. Why? I don't know, I don't see anything empowering about posing not only naked, but not even tastefully so.[/COLOR'][/FONT][/quote]

[size=1][color=indigo]*points at my last post*

It's all about women control. It's about what we [women] have, knowing how to use it, and knowing we can do it. It's a battle fought and argued for thousands of years....it's sort of like a less-tactful feminist attack. >_> If I had to put it in a political sort of context. [/size][/color]

[Shane12_01]

[QUOTE=Boba Fett][color=green]We have a free market economy, so people should be able to sell what belongs to them.

If you don't like it you can, as you did, look away.[/color][/QUOTE]

Unfortunatly he's right there is nothing realy we could dono mater what there is always going to be a pervert out there. But my oppinion is that is is not a good thing that it is as easily acessable to children. If adults want to go look for it fine but figure out beter ways to keep it out of site frome little kids.
*mommy what are they doing here*
mother says *OMG how did you find this?!*
kid says *I just found it while I was surffing and I cliced on the picture and there it was.*
(please excuse my username its moe of a joke than anything :animeswea)

[Starwind]

I can agree tha it can be done tastefully and I have seen it done so. but in this modern society that is slowly fading away. People want less taste and more brunt nudity, which often times I find more of a turn off then a turn on. I'm one much more for the more tasteful and elegant thing myself. I don't know if that makes me weird or not, but that's my personal preference.

[Boba Fett]

[quote name='Goddess][size=1][color=indigo]It's all about women control. It's about what we [women] have, knowing how to use it, and knowing we can do it. It's a battle fought and argued for thousands of years....it's sort of like a less-tactful feminist attack. >_> If I had to put it in a political sort of context. [/size'][/color][/quote]

[color=green]Similar to the plot of the Lysistrata, then?

Only in this case, I suppose women would have to withhold porn for some reason or another...[/color]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

From my own viewpoint, pornography is nothing more than the basest form of romantic expression, and I use the term romantic because calling pornography a form of expression would be to insult art in a very grave manner indeed. Whether it's the woman or man involved, I note that often those men involved in pornography are deemed either complicit or lucky, pornography is a debasement of dignity. [/SIZE]

[quote name='Boba Fett][color=green']If you don't like it you can, as you did, look away.[/color][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Even though I'd look forward to a day without such moral atrocities, Dave is right, if you don't like what you see, just look away.[/SIZE]

[DeadSeraphim]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial]Either this thread is filled with people pretending to be righteous so they don't look bad at OtakuBoards (ohnoes!) or you're all on a very high moral high horse. I'm not ruling out either, but I know where my suspicions lie.

I look at porn. I enjoy porn. I'm a male of the genus homo sapien, so I'm not about to lie. I also read erotic fiction - coupled with the porn, does that make me a morally corrupt monster of society? No, of course not, and it doesn't make the [i]millions[/i] of other people who do the same monsters either. I know ofa 60 year old, strict Lutheran Math teacher who enjoys porn occasionally. He realises that there's nothing immoral about looking at porn, the porn itself or the men and woman who are in it. He's one of the most intelligent down to earth people I know.

Things are only immoral if you let them be. You see a woman posing naked for the camera and assume she's signed away her dignity for a paycheck - how [i]immoral[/i] of her. You don't consider that maybe, hey, she wanted to do it. She wanted to show off her body, because she's proud of it. Or perhaps she just finds the exhibitionism exciting? It could be anything. But it's never an immoral reason, because even if you're broke, you don't immediately go "Let's get into porn!"

Being in porn, posing or in actual sex acts, photography or video, doesn't strip people of their dignity, or make them immoral. If they were bashed, beaten and raped on video, yeah, that would - but voluntarily posing or having sex on camera? I think not. To do porn, knowing thousands of men [i]and women[/i] will enjoy it would not only take a lot of courage, but a lot of pride. To share themselves with the world on that intimate level, they must really be proud of themselves and their body, or the union they share with their lover (if they're doing porn with their signifigant other). It involves more pride and dignity than some may realise. It doesn't involve sacrificing your morals, or your dignity.

Looking at porn doesn't make you immoral. It can fulfil a sexual desire you couldn't (or don't want to) perform in real life, it can just ease sexual frustration, it can act as foreplay for couples, or open your eyes to new sexual experiences you'd not thought of before. None of these things are immoral - and if they are, I think your definition of 'immoral' is dated by about 50 years. The fact of the matter is, looking at porn doesn't make you immoral. End story.

As for children accidentally seeing porn on the internet or whatever... so what? If they're seeing it, it's not the fault of the people who made the porn, and put it online for the enjoyment of mature adults, it's the parents fault for not monitoring their kids online. The internet isn't a babysitter, parents need to watch their kids when they surf. People are too willing to let their kids play and see whatever they want these days, then blame the media in question when everything goes to ****. Responsibility seems to have taken a backseat to finger pointing, in parenting.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[WarAngel]

I Feel That It Is Up To A Woman To Choose How Or How Not To Display Her Body If She Wants To Then Thats Her Thing That She Does And Besides Its The New Year That Means People Start To Feel More Fed Up With The Way They Use To Live And Like To Try Something Differnt

P.s And The Fact ThAT Most Of The Worlds Media Is Based On Sex.

[2010DigitalBoy]

My opinions lie in the post made by DeadSeraphim.

Now, Im not going to lie. I have written a pornographic fanfiction for a video game. It has gotten over 12000 hits and reviews from men and women, none of which were bad. I have written romance and action strories for the same game, none of which have reached anything close to that popularity, despite some being better. I personally look at porn sometimes, just as any other teenage person does.

If this makes me a bad person, or I offend you, I apologize from the deeoest parts of my heart, and if you want me to stop, I will, I'm just stating these things in hopes of enlightening some... stuff. You can complain all you want, porn will never stop being made/shown.

[Linkk]

Well personally, I think porn is degrating and viloenlty underminding. I don't understand not just why women but men as well ...it's not just ladies that use it or abuse it would want to. Why watching someone else have sex is a turn on is beyond me. I think it's sad that so many people think it's no big deal. Yes in many ways it is not. In others yes it is. I don't like porn of any kind or nature. I think it is suppose to be something special shared between two concenting adults. However, sex and love do not always go hand in hand. But I think porn is just digusting.

[Stark]

You do realize that pornography can cover a lot of things, right. For instance, the poem 'Howl' by Alan Ginsberg can be considered pornographic. Just figured that I'd say that.

Anyway, in this society people consider porn as another means of profit. In my humble opinion, I say that, so long as no one is being hurt emotionally or physically, then I don't see what the ruckus is about. It's been around forever and it will be around forever. If you don't like it, then don't expose yourself to it.

I have to admit that I am a noted Anne Rice Junkie. If you don't get that, then I'll explain. While Anne Rice is most noted for writing in the Gothic/Horror style, there are several sexual undertones in her tales, mostly between males. But that's me. I'm not saying you have to like it. There's a choice in everything, and you can choose to allow yourself to be offended by some aspect of your friend's site. And you can choose not to go there again, for that point.

You don't have to agree with it, but you can't necessarily stop people from looking at it. It's been around, and will be around. You do realize that these sites make up over 70% of all internet sites, right? It sells, and people want money. In this money hungry world, people do what they can to make some more of their obsession.

[Esther]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=1][COLOR=SlateGray]Mhm.

I really do have to say, as much as it hurts me, sex does sell. Sadly enough women love to use their bodies in suggestive ways, I don't know why but it just is that way. Being sexy is number one in a woman's agenda, sorry to those it isn't. But women love looking good. Image, image, image my friend.

Now, I don't like watching sex for pleasure. But it isn't monstrocious that I like to watch a Korean romance movie is it? That probably has sex in it, but I don't think its because the woman wants to run around having sex multiple times in a time period of two hours.

Pornography is just, I don't know, it's just there. I am not sure where it originated from or who got the idea to video tape sex but it has been around for a while.

My views on pornagraphy are like that of a couple of others, I think it's awkward. Of course I would be surprised if I scrolled down and saw a woman's breast being exposed in a picture.

But as DeadSeraphim said, we are human beings. If it was a very attractive male, well it wouldn't be all that disturbing. I'm not implying that I like to look at nude males on the internet, but still. It's the human being nature to be attracted to someone that well is attractive.

Bottom line, porn is porn. It's there, people like it, it sells.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[different ki]

I'm not against porn, but not because it's a free-market economy. I'm OK with it because the ideas that people who watch it are sick or that it's degrading to women are opinions, and making laws based on opinion is a really bad idea.

It might be true that some porn actresses are exploited and they only do it because they can't find anything better, but both those things are true of a lot of jobs. I bet most waitresses would rather be doing something else. Also, speaking from experience, I can tell you that computer programmers are exploited too, since they don't have a union either.

[Retribution]

[size=1]To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is. These women are chosing to do what they do, and people choose to watch. If you don't like displaying your body as sex symbol, then don't. If you don't approve of pornography, then don't look at it. It's not going anywhere -- prostitution and pornography have been and always will be a part of society. It's human nature.

Yeah, thought I'd chime in with DeadSeraphim...[/size]

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]So, some people here feel disgusted by/for the women who pose for those kind of photos? Why the hell should you. You have no right to judge them for what they are doing. As many others have said, they could have a multitude of reasons for doing it, but in the end it is their choice.

Their body, their choice, their life. It isn't [i]you[/i] posing for the camera, so why feel so disgusted about it? The only time that there is a problem with it is if it is unconsentual - i.e the woman is unaware of being filmed/photographed. That is unnacceptable.[/size]

[Dagger]

[QUOTE=Baron Samedi][size=1]
Their body, their choice, their life. It isn't [i]you[/i] posing for the camera, so why feel so disgusted about it?[/size][/QUOTE]
To make an incredibly silly analogy, I think that it's perfectly within my right to be disgusted if someone else eats a cockroach, even if he/she does it of his/her free will.

Speaking personally, I don't care about pornography one way or the other. But I don't quite understand why you say that people who feel differently have no right to be repelled by or on the behalf of those involved in it.

~Dagger~

[Charles]

[quote name='DeadSeraphim][color=indigo][size=1][font=Arial]Either this thread is filled with people pretending to be righteous so they don't look bad at OtakuBoards (ohnoes!) or you're all on a very high moral high horse. I'm not ruling out either, but I know where my suspicions lie. [/font][/size'][/color][/quote]That's just what I was thinking. There are a lot of problems in the world worse than conventional porn. Furthermore, women aren't the only ones in porn movies and the market isn't entirely aimed at heterosexual men--so it doesn't make much sense to stir up a feminist fuss. The topic starter speaks as if there are no women who enjoy watching porn. I don't find porn to be a masculine evil, if that's what is being suggested by this thread.

I do think it's unfortunate that anyone should become a porn star and I do not encourage it in any way, but at the same time I don't see porn as evil. But, I'm not a Puritan who hisses and crosses my fingers at porn like a lot of these people pretend to be. I mean, the original post just mentioned naked female bodies. If they were not involved in sexual acts--but simply naked, then what was viewed wasn't pornography at all. Playboy photographs, for example, are not pornographic. I think a lot of people here have a rigid definition as to what constitutes porn.

The porn industry caters to society's demand for sexually-related entertainment. If anything, it has the potential to be funny and entertaining. And many women involved with porn falsly view it as a stepping stone to Hollywood and aren't exactly the Captain of Industry sort to begin with.

Anyways:


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[Semjaza]

Nude pictures in something like Playboy are pornography. Their goal is to stimulate sexual arousal, regardless of how "artsy" they may be (and I'd say even in their case, compared to something more smutty like Penthouse, 98% of it is not artistic at all). They're part of the definition and within that definition they do not have to include actual sexual acts or "hardcore" behavior.

Whether or not people want to demonize the word to the point that the very idea of a nude figure is considered "wrong" is a whole other story. I think that's the main problem for most people and it tends to extend into things it perhaps shouldn't extend to... the previously mentioned art aspects, for example. There's a lot of interesting photography out there that involves fetishism and other such things that's actually highly respected.

[Baron Samedi]

[QUOTE=Dagger]To make an incredibly silly analogy, I think that it's perfectly within my right to be disgusted if someone else eats a cockroach, even if he/she does it of his/her free will.

Speaking personally, I don't care about pornography one way or the other. But I don't quite understand why you say that people who feel differently have no right to be repelled by or on the behalf of those involved in it.

~Dagger~[/QUOTE][size=1]
It is within your right to be disgusted by it, but to imply anything about their character because of it - to in some way judge them - isn't. I see what you were trying to get at [particularly considering the wording of the first sentence or so of my post], but it isn't so much the disgust, as how they are presenting that disgust - as though these women should be ashamed of what they do, as if it is something bad. Sure, it may disgust you, but you have no right to assume that it is immoral or bad or whatever.

It's accepting that the cockroach-eater has their own reasons for doing what they do, and whilst it might not be my 'thing', I can accept that they do it, and will not condemn them for their actions.[/size]