damatte Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I ink my art with the Sakura Pigma Mircon pens but everytime I ink something, it starts to bleed :( The regular ball point pens I used to use never did that (well depending on which pen I used...) Am I using the pens wrong or is it the pen itself? What does everyone else use for inking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsunekami Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 um, i use the same brand of pen, i rearely have that problem. wat type of paper are you using? that might deal with it.also how you are handling the pens may contribute to the problem. it might be the pen itself... you really shouldn't use a ballpoint pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 The paper...? Hmmm......okay, but I just use regular printer paper...unless it's the brand of paper itself....what's wrong with ballpoint pens? How should I be handling it, btw? I didn't even know there was a "proper" way to hold a pen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikara Kokoro Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 If by "it starts to bleed" you mean that the lines are becoming kind of, well, unlineish (unsure if there's a real word to describe what I mean) and starting to kind of have blobs on the end, then I have to say I had the exact same problem with the Sakura Micron pens when I started out. There are a few things that you can do to help this: 1) Don't press down the tip of the pen on the paper. Experiment with drawing lines and see what the least amount of pressure you can use while still getting a nice, uninterrupted line. That's probably the amount of pressure you should use until you get used to using the inking pens. 2) Draw a continuous line. This may be an obvious thing, but no matter what make sure that you are not "sketching" your inked lines. In order to get a clear line, you need to make sure you're making continuous strokes with the pen. and, most importantly, 3) PRACTICE! I promise you that the more you practice using the pens, the better you'll get. The other two things, if they don't come to you immediately, will get better over time. Just keep at it, and don't give up. Another suggestion is that to make sure that you have a .005 pen, this makes it easier to use this pen to first outline your sketch and then to change the thickness of the line with the larger sized pens later (kind of unrelated to your question, but it's a general tip for inking). On the subject of ballpoint pens, they usually create a sloppy look in comparison to the Sakura Micron pens. You can use a gel pen and get a better look than ballpoint, though. Since you have at least one Sakura Micron, I suggest you just stick to that for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsunekami Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 well, that's really simple. your holding the pen too hard on the paper. ofcourse, practicing will help lots just as the person who said before me... i don't neccisary agree that you should do your whole outline sketch in .005 pens... DON'T USE GEL PENS. unless ur not looking for a professional look. and ballpoint pens give a bad look... i would only use it if i was going to make it negatice later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTK Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 [quote name='kitsunekami'] i don't neccisary agree that you should do your whole outline sketch in .005 pens... [/quote] hahaha XD I totally practically use only .005 *shot dead* though if you use only that size, it dies pretty fast T_T I use .005, .01, .03,and .08 mostly This also may be a bit silly to ask, but are you drawing on the paper you are inking on? Sometimes when you erase it will tear up the paper (even if it doesn't look like it), so when you ink over it the line will bleed. I use printer paper also and have never had any problems O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsunekami Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [QUOTE=GTK]hahaha XD I totally practically use only .005 *shot dead* though if you use only that size, it dies pretty fast T_T I use .005, .01, .03,and .08 mostly This also may be a bit silly to ask, but are you drawing on the paper you are inking on? Sometimes when you erase it will tear up the paper (even if it doesn't look like it), so when you ink over it the line will bleed. I use printer paper also and have never had any problems O_o[/QUOTE] i use printer paper too. lmao and i didn't mean that you can't. wat i meant was: if your whole picture has small, thin, detailed lines, then yes, i think you should really use .005 on it all... but if you use a mixture of thin lines and thicker lines(just like i do) you will find it to be easier to use larger pens... the line thickness will be more even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Ummm...lots of replies...^^ Well anyways, I ink on the exact same paper I drew on. And I actuallypress kinda hard using my pens :animesigh 'Cause when I used to ink with ballpoint pens or gel pens (which was up until like.......last year...) I used to press really hard, same thing for drawing in pencil. Guess I better loosen up on that and practice, I usually only ink the drawings I have that takes up a whole page with scenary and everything. I hardly ever use .005, since I press so hard, the ink doesn't come out too good... does everyone else ink their drawings on another piece of paper?? I have a lightbox, so I guess I can try it out,but like...I'm not sure, since I'm not posting this from my house right now, doesn't sakura pens go through the paper?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [QUOTE=damatte]Ummm...lots of replies...^^ Well anyways, I ink on the exact same paper I drew on. And I actuallypress kinda hard using my pens :animesigh 'Cause when I used to ink with ballpoint pens or gel pens (which was up until like.......last year...) I used to press really hard, same thing for drawing in pencil. Guess I better loosen up on that and practice, I usually only ink the drawings I have that takes up a whole page with scenary and everything. I hardly ever use .005, since I press so hard, the ink doesn't come out too good... does everyone else ink their drawings on another piece of paper?? I have a lightbox, so I guess I can try it out,but like...I'm not sure, since I'm not posting this from my house right now, doesn't sakura pens go through the paper??[/QUOTE] [color=#333333][font=trebuchet ms]Just practice drawing more lightly. =] And as for what I ink on... Usually, I will draw a picture, scan it, mess with the options until I have a very light version of what I scanned, and then print off a couple copies. I ink/color those. It works great. You still have your original sketch intact, and you have three or four "ghost" copies (on fresh, unpenciled paper) that you can use if you want to try a couple different coloring styles for the same image. [/color][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darklore_x Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 i cant even find inking pens by my house :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikara Kokoro Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Generally when I ink sketches I also use a separate copy in order to save the original sketch. It's easier if you use the computer, but if you can't, a light box should work fine. According to the official website, the design of the pen is made so that it "does not bleed through most papers. " Through my own trial and error this mainly means that it won't bleed through computer paper, but with notebook paper they make no guarantees. Of course, for it to not bleed through the paper you have to not press down so hard with the pen ^^ [quote name='darklore_x']i cant even find inking pens by my house :([/quote] Most people who live in America- sorry if you don't, but I'm assuming you do- have a Michael's somewhere near their home. I can pretty much promise you that with the right amount of searching you could find many different kinds of inking pens there. Oddly, there are also a large number of fabric stores that carry Sakura Micron pens. Good luck with trying to find some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 [quote name='darklore_x']i cant even find inking pens by my house :([/quote][color=#333333][font=trebuchet ms]I find that hard to believe. Any art store or office supply store will have at least some variety of pen that can be used for "inking." [img]http://www.otakuboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25068&stc=1[/img] The silver pen there can be found anywhere--even Target and Walmart, and probably Walgreens, as well--that sells office supplies, and it works just fine for inking. Ballpoint, good feel, nice wet ink that dries matte black. They come in different widths (and colors, for that matter), and they work just fine. [/color][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodbye, Face Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 [font=trebuchet ms]I'm a fan of the Faber Castel inking pens. They have felt tips, varying sizes, and one of those sizes includes a brush tip. I find that one particularly useful, as it creates some beautiful lines if you learn how to use it right. As for inking technique, I'm afraid I don't do any manga at all, so I rarely ever use thick lines. I apply light pressure and draw thin lines to begin with. The more shadows in the area, the more I go over the line with curves, then I take my tiny pen and crosshatch lightly to blend the black in with the white. I never press down hard at all, I can barely feel the paper under my pen, which is supposedly good technique. Other pens... I've tried Sakuras, as well as Zip Milleniums, I disliked both. The Sakura pens I got seemed to run out of ink almost immediately. With the .005 Zip pen, I tilted it sideways to draw and the tip snapped off and a bit of ink ran down the page. Thus, I don't use them anymore, I just stuck with the next pen brand I got, which was Faber Castell, and haven't had a problem since. I'm afraid I don't have a light box. Sometimes I turn my scanner on and use the light from that to trace my sketch. Sometimes I just print out the piece and ink over it, sometimes I just ink over the sketch. It kind of depends on the importance of what I'm doing.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTK Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 [QUOTE=damatte] does everyone else ink their drawings on another piece of paper?? I have a lightbox, so I guess I can try it out,but like...I'm not sure, since I'm not posting this from my house right now, doesn't sakura pens go through the paper??[/QUOTE] I always ink my drawings on a different paper because the paper tends to get dirty and doesn't look nice. The sakura pens won't go through the paper (unless maybe you go over a certain area a whole tone of times). In certain areas in might bleed through -slightly-, but never enough to cause any problems or tear the paper or anything like that. I also use a light box ^_^ (but if I don't have one, I just tape my paper together and then tape it to a window if it's still daylight out *laughs* or the TV if I'm really desperate XD; ) I have a super cheap light box XD; I bought it at Wal-Mart for like $10 I'm also gonna agree with RiflesAtRecess that Zip Milleniums are puu. The ones I have totally didn't even work very well T_T (but I got them for free, so...) But I've never heard of Faber Castel ? How much are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Faber Castel pens? It's worth givin' it a shot, my .005 Sakura Micron pen is likerunning out of king, and it's pissing me off. Can the Faber Castel pens be found in Michael's? There's only like 3 art stores I know of in my city, Michale's, Beverly's or something (freakin' expensive though), and this one place with the word "aaron" in it, I found my lightbox there for $30 >< Oh wells, at least I have one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darklore_x Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 [QUOTE=Lore][color=#333333][font=trebuchet ms]I find that hard to believe. Any art store or office supply store will have at least some variety of pen that can be used for "inking." [img]http://www.otakuboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25068&stc=1[/img] The silver pen there can be found anywhere--even Target and Walmart, and probably Walgreens, as well--that sells office supplies, and it works just fine for inking. Ballpoint, good feel, nice wet ink that dries matte black. They come in different widths (and colors, for that matter), and they work just fine. [/color][/font][/QUOTE] ohhhimthink ing of those old school pens that arent ballpoint and you have to dip them in the inksry :animeshy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 Are the old schoolpens even any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I have to agree with Lore. I went to Art school for 6 years, and after all teh expensive markers and pens I went through, I still wind up using just a variety of cheap rollerball pens and Sharpies. I will say this though, try changintg the type of paper you use. Go to Office Max/Depot/ect and Buy a ream of Vellum Bristol paper with atleast a 60lb press on it. It's quite a bit thicker, but once you get used to it, You'll find that it'll hold quite a bit more ink before it runs. You can usually find a Ream of the stuff for between 4 and 7 bucks. The only note to it is that you have to pencil lightly before you ink, because heavy erasing will leave HUGE fuzzies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ack! Fuzzies...I hate those o_0 lol, thanks for the info though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTK Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I thought I'd randomly toss out that I went and bought some Faber Castel and still don't like them as much as Sakura ^^; Faber Castel bleeds when used with markers T_T so don't try it. Fuuuuuuuu. But to each his (or her) own, I guess. And squee for Bristol paperl XD all my really 'nice' images are done on it. (Though if you want to avoid doing the image in light pencil before inking, like Liam mentioned, you can use a light table. Though this only really works if your original drawing is a bit dark, since bristol is a pretty heavy paper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 It's a good thing I didn't get any Faber Castels @_@ I was looking for it but didn't see it, lol. What's so good 'bout Bristol paper anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTK Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 [quote name='damatte']It's a good thing I didn't get any Faber Castels @_@ I was looking for it but didn't see it, lol. What's so good 'bout Bristol paper anyways?[/quote] It's a heavier paper and can take a bit more abuse ^_~ It doesn't damage as easily as (for example) printer paper. If you use ink on it, it also doesn't bleed as much as thinner paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damatte Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 Oo thank you, I just bought some, 9 x 12 I think, I think I'll do the cover art and chapter art on those, since I'm going to try get published this year, and I know some of the art is actually bigger. Quick question before I get back to my inking question, is it better to draw your comics on paper twice the size of the original? Inking question: my inking pens aren't preforming very well, the ink flow is bad, so I dip them in my india black ink....is that a bad thing? Should I just get new pens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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