Bush a good president???

[Shane12_01]

[QUOTE=Drix D'Zanth]
As for his domestic policy, I'm pretty supported. I like his judicial nominees, his policy on abortion, homosexual marriage (although, a constitutional ban is a bit much), and the economy. [B]I don't blame Katrina or the Economy on him. [/B] [B]I blame the economic depression on companies like Enron, which was exacerbated further by 9/11.[/B] I like his tax-cut plan, and I think it's fair (if you spend more on taxes, you get a proportional amount back in returns). I think if people don't [i]save[/i] that money, and re-cycle it into the economy- we would see stimulation. Inevitably, there's little a government can do in a capitalist-driven market. I think Bush is terrible at public speaking, but I think he's a bright person.

[B]I actually have the right to say this, as I've had an opportunity to meet with the President at a luncheon with my close friend Phyllis.[/B] Pyllis is the vice-chair of the International Democratic Party. She was invited to the white house last August. Phyllis and I are close friends, as she was my preceptor and trainer in earning my Paramedic license. We worked long hours together and share a strong bond of friendship. So she took me along, and I had the opportunity to speak with the president. In person, he's very kind and very articulate. I didn't really debate with the guy (he was my host, after all) but I had fun chatting with him [the short while we were able to chat, that is]. [B]The food was [i]amazing[/i[/B]].[/QUOTE]

Ok I would have to admit meeting the president in person would be cool, I can only hope the food was good.

Though I do not blame the president for the incedent of Katrina I was just hoping for more support to help the people out I guess, but that is just me.
But for the economy to be blamed on Enron that just weirds me out, because the Gov. created a plan that would decrease price and create a profit that completly back fired and destroyed Enron and eventually bankrupted Edisson as well. I could get a better details later from my Dad who worked for Edisson and saw this coming a long before anyone else and hes just happy to have retired early before it happened. :animesigh
And yes 9/11 had an impact but that was a long time ago and it sould have little to no impact to today's economic crisis. It just created more security and more jobs for security.
[B]Give power back to the working class![/B] :D

[Retribution]

[size=1][quote name='Drix D'Zanth] I don't blame Katrina or the Economy on him. I blame the economic depression on companies like Enron, which was exacerbated further by 9/11. I like his tax-cut plan, and I think it's fair (if you spend more on taxes, you get a proportional amount back in returns). I think if people don't [i]save[/i'] that money, and re-cycle it into the economy- we would see stimulation. Inevitably, there's little a government can do in a capitalist-driven market.[/quote]
Trickle down economics hasn't worked for quite a while -- since Kennedy, I believe. It only worked in that occasion had a much larger potential for growth and output than what they were currently producing.

Really, trickle down economics is unrealistic, as it supposes that when people get back the money, they'll reinvest in businesses, who will give more jobs out with the money they got. That never happens.

If there's nothing a government can do in a free-trade economy, then why under Clinton was there a [i]surplus[/i], and once Bush got the reins, we're in a [i]7 trillion dollar deficit?[/i]. Sure, I'll concede the fact that there's only so much that the government can do, but they aren't powerless.

Bush's tax cuts only substanially affect those in the upper income brackets. We all know that -- this isn't some light-shedding revelation. And why, in heaven's name, [I]would you cut taxes, and then enter a war?[/I]

[quote]I think Bush is terrible at public speaking...[/quote]
Amen, I say to you!

[quote]...but I think he's a bright person.[/QUOTE]
*cough* Yeah... alrighty then... *shifty eyes* Heh. I kid -- believe he's bright.[/size]

[eleanor]

[color=darkslateblue] Fact is, I don't like the guy. I disagree with him on moral issues, economic issues, and probably every other freaking issue that exists in this country. I think he's the wrong guy to be leading this country, and I will be pretty unbelievably happy when his second term is up. By then I will be able to vote and sure as hell I will probably not be voting for the next Republican candidate. I think he's a good person and I also think that he believes what he's doing really will benefit the world. Unfortunately for him, half the country hates his ideas.

As Bill Clinton once said: "There's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with
America." I think Bush is wrong, and I'm hoping that our next president will make some right changes.[/color]

[Starwind]

At the end of the day no matter how much you may hate him, it's not Bush's fault. Every government is token to do the things he does. Why? Because that level of power can and will corrupt people. The reason presidents of past knew to stay in line was because of the people, and the fact they were being watched so closely. Now a days in this "I don't give a crap" societh we live in, no one pays attention to the politicians and that's how they get away with this crap.

Democracy was based on the idea that the politicians at some point were going to go bad, but democracy made it possible for the people to keep them in line by probing and demanding change. But people at this point all but ignore the government, as such, they can run a muck and do as they please. If your upset at what has become of this country, cry out to the people, not the politicians. The politicians only have as much power as the people allow, and if we as the people keep thme on a short leash, then they'll never get out of hand.

It was mentioned above about how the rich get all the help and the poorer lower class (My class please note) are treated differently, and that is true. But let me hit this little economic fact on you, did you know that if you took all the money in America and spread it out evenly amoungst the people of this country, 90% of the people who are rich will be rich again in a few years, and 90% of those who are poor, will be poor again in the same alotted time.

Most people who are poor are poor because of poor life choices made after high school or even college. Not all college grads hit the big bucks. The economy, like the government, is controlled a lot more by us then some of you give it credit for. If you saved just 20$ a week from the time your 19 til the time you 28, at 9% interest, you could have as much as 2 million dollars by retirement age. We control the government and the economy, most simply choose to ignore this fact and make stupid decisions. They can't name our senators and they buy new cars over property.

A new car is a bad investment. Did you know that 85% of the wealthy in this country own used cars. Why? There cheaper, and new ones lose value rapidly. The minute you drive a new car off the lot, it isn't worth half the money you just bought it for. While on the other hand, my grandmother bought a condo for 15 grand a 10 years ago. That same condo is now valued at almost ten times that. In short, even if you gave the poor people in this country all this money so they can get back on there feet, they would odds are be back exactly where they started in only a few years.

Bush isn't a bad president, he's human. The people in this country are what's wrong. If you want change, stand up and cry out against the world and go for the big chance. If you don't strive for change and succession then democracy failed. Our government stability is completely dependant on it's people, so it's our fault if it falls flat of it's face.

[Retribution]

[quote name='Starwind][...'] it's not Bush's fault. Every government is token to do the things he does. Why? Because that level of power can and will corrupt people. The reason presidents of past knew to stay in line was because of the people, and the fact they were being watched so closely. Now a days in this "I don't give a crap" societh we live in, no one pays attention to the politicians and that's how they get away with this crap.[/quote]
[size=1]How does this [i]not[/i] make it Bush's fault? He exploited the fact that apparently the people aren't keeping him on a tighter chain, and now it's our fault? It's his fault he's doing these things in the first place. True, we should pay more attention to the happenings in the political arena, but the President shouldn't be 'corrupt' either.

It doesn't even matter what the people say right now -- he has no reason to listen to the American people. It's his second term, and as long as he doesn't do anything impeachable, we can't do anything about it. The people have power in the government to a very limited extent -- I'd say that the People can more influence the House, rather than the Executive branch.

And really, the people [i]don't want to do anything about it[/i]. Bush got elected - he was more popular than Kerry. Therefore, the people's will is reflected ... so why do you think these same people would be hopping up to protest? If you meant for the Democrats to do something about it, well, we can't. Republicans control the Congress, and Bush has appointed three (I think) Supreme Court Justices. There's no way for any legislature to be passed to change things.[/size]

[quote]Bush isn't a bad president, he's human. The people in this country are what's wrong. If you want change, stand up and cry out against the world and go for the big chance. If you don't strive for change and succession then democracy failed. Our government stability is completely dependant on it's people, so it's our fault if it falls flat of it's face.[/QUOTE]
I think you're being a bit too idealistic as far as the power of the people and the government's dependency on those people. Yes, the people have power, but not as much as you keep saying they do. We don't hold up the government and choose to let it live or die. The government is a pretty strong beast alone, thanks to the Federalists.[/size]

[Starwind]

Presidents traditionally have feared the wrath of the people, esspecially the young college audience. The teens about my age. Just look to Nixon and Johnson, they knew that these college students were a threat to there presidency. The whole idea of democracy is the fact that we have the absolute control. It is run by the people, and the people CAN change it. There is nothing idealisitic about it. It's pescimistic of you to assume that the people can't do anything to stop them.

If you believe that then you already believe our democracy is dead. To believe the people no longer hold power is to no longer believe in the democracy of this nation.

Second, regardless of where we impact the government, the checks and balances of the branches guarantees that to hit one hits all. Stop demeaning the importance of the legislature or the judicial.

[Sayuri-sama]

[COLOR=DarkGreen]i think your topic question can be answered in one simple word NO!!!!!!!!! he totally wreaked the country :animecry: [/COLOR]

[Guest Lancius83]

I myself think that while President Bush is not doing the best job, he is still doing a good job. President Bush's Policies have been good to the Military and the have been good to my state. I have heard a lot of you questioning the war, yet have any of you actually been to Iraq. Can any of you actually say that you don't care about the conditions that they were liveing in. Well i have been to Iraq while in the service of my country, was the war started over the wrong pretext maybe. but how can you deny the good it has done for Iraq you say that the Iraq is more unstable now than it was during the rule of Saddam's regime that may be, but this is only because the U.S. refuses to go to the same lengths to suppress resurgents.

[Starwind]

[quote name='Lancius83']I myself think that while President Bush is not doing the best job, he is still doing a good job. President Bush's Policies have been good to the Military and the have been good to my state. I have heard a lot of you questioning the war, yet have any of you actually been to Iraq. Can any of you actually say that you don't care about the conditions that they were liveing in. Well i have been to Iraq while in the service of my country, was the war started over the wrong pretext maybe. but how can you deny the good it has done for Iraq you say that the Iraq is more unstable now than it was during the rule of Saddam's regime that may be, but this is only because the U.S. refuses to go to the same lengths to suppress resurgents.[/quote]


Well siad brother, well said. I am recently enlisted with many friends who have and are currently serving in Iraq. I do know we have made things better and I do know the good that our president has done for we service men and women. Like you said, he might not be the best, but he's doing what he can. To keep this nation together is going to take a response from the people of this nation and is going to require them to react.

[Shane12_01]

[quote name='Lancius83']I myself think that while President Bush is not doing the best job, he is still doing a good job. President Bush's Policies have been good to the Military and the have been good to my state. I have heard a lot of you questioning the war, yet have any of you actually been to Iraq. Can any of you actually say that you don't care about the conditions that they were liveing in. Well i have been to Iraq while in the service of my country, was the war started over the wrong pretext maybe. but how can you deny the good it has done for Iraq you say that the Iraq is more unstable now than it was during the rule of Saddam's regime that may be, but this is only because the U.S. refuses to go to the same lengths to suppress resurgents.[/quote]

I have never said anything bad about the war, and I'm happy to say that I liked what Bush has done for the Iraqi people. Although some Iraqi's might not agree. All I'm tired of is that people think that was the only reason, and I'm tired of it. Here are some good reasons that you might have not thought about, or forgoten.
1. The first thing that came to mind was the contract for oil Bush senior had with Iraq. Reset the country, destroy the old contact and make a new one.
2. The U.S. thought or found evidece that Iraq helped Alqueda. Although there was more evidence found that Iran did a better job to help.
3. To over throw a ruthless Dictator and free the Iraqi people from its Tyrant. Then set up a new democracy and will be indebted to us. So possibly we can call on them for help if our situation is dire.
Put these in any order you wish, but these if you really think about it are the reasons, and there are probably more that you can think of. If so tell me.
[B]I hope all our troops come home safe for they are fighting the good fight.[/B]

[Albert Flasher]

[QUOTE=hentai#1]I have never said anything bad about the war, and I'm happy to say that I liked what Bush has done for the Iraqi people. Although some Iraqi's might not agree. All I'm tired of is that people think that was the only reason, and I'm tired of it. Here are some good reasons that you might have not thought about, or forgoten.
1. The first thing that came to mind was the contract for oil Bush senior had with Iraq. Reset the country, destroy the old contact and make a new one.
2. The U.S. thought or found evidece that Iraq helped Alqueda. Although there was more evidence found that Iran did a better job to help.
3. To over throw a ruthless Dictator and free the Iraqi people from its Tyrant. Then set up a new democracy and will be indebted to us. So possibly we can call on them for help if our situation is dire.
Put these in any order you wish, but these if you really think about it are the reasons, and there are probably more that you can think of. If so tell me.
[B]I hope all our troops come home safe for they are fighting the good fight.[/B][/QUOTE][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]

1st - If by that, you mean invade Iraq so you can build a pipeline through it.

2nd - There was never any evidence of connection with Al-Queda... in fact, it's the opposit. Al-Queda hated Saddam because they were Islamic insurgents and Saddam tortured Islamic insurgents. Besides, if you're going after religious fanatics, you don't invade the most secular nation in the mid east.

3rd - If you're going to overthrow a ruthless dictator, you don't go back to the country that is still in shambles from the LAST time you invaded it... especially since Saddam was a begginer compared to a lot of the mid eastern dictators. In the end, Bush needed somone to draw attention away from his absolute failure as a president, and since Iraq and Saddam were familiar to the Fox News Crowd, and they're not likely to put up a fight, why not. [/COLOR][/FONT]

[Starwind]

[QUOTE=Ziggy Stardust][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]

1st - If by that, you mean invade Iraq so you can build a pipeline through it.

2nd - There was never any evidence of connection with Al-Queda... in fact, it's the opposit. Al-Queda hated Saddam because they were Islamic insurgents and Saddam tortured Islamic insurgents. Besides, if you're going after religious fanatics, you don't invade the most secular nation in the mid east.

3rd - If you're going to overthrow a ruthless dictator, you don't go back to the country that is still in shambles from the LAST time you invaded it... especially since Saddam was a begginer compared to a lot of the mid eastern dictators. In the end, Bush needed somone to draw attention away from his absolute failure as a president, and since Iraq and Saddam were familiar to the Fox News Crowd, and they're not likely to put up a fight, why not. [/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

It is true that there was no connection in anyway to Al-Queda, I know that just as you do. But we didn't invade Iraq because we botched up our chase after Osama. If you payed attention to the news you'd know that he just put out a tape requesting a truce with the US. If you don't catch what that means is let me say it like this: Bin Laden has di-allisis, which means he has to be treated regularly with some heavy and advanced medical equipment. It's hard to hide these things and would require constant care and chemical additives to keep them up. Second, no one wants to around Bin Laden right now since everyone that is around him is dieing. We have destroyed his entire power structure.

What I'm trying to say is, we have him on the run and he is dieing. That was not a faliure, the truth is that the war on terror will never be over so we can never really call it mission accomplished, anyway. I know Bush isn't perfect, but you've got to remeber, we're dealing with Bush 1.5, certain bugs came with the software on this one. But we are making progress and we are saving lives and helping the people of that country. And don't tell me I'm full of crap because I know sure as **** you haven't been there. I had a buddy of mine go there and they were building a school for the little kids and when they finished this little ran up and gave him a hug. She just threw her arms around his leg. The news crew refused to film that part, but as soon as they left they came under fire and that camera came right on.

Remeber the way the media works, if it bleeds it leads. Don't take what you see on CNN and FOX news for what is really happening there. Take it from soilders like myself and other sevice men and women who have already been there.

In short, is he perfect, of course not. But he gets his job done and doesn't take any crap and in this time in our nations history, that's what we need.

[Guest darkruler]

[QUOTE=Ziggy Stardust][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]

2nd - There was never any evidence of connection with Al-Queda... in fact, it's the opposit. Al-Queda hated Saddam because they were Islamic insurgents and Saddam tortured Islamic insurgents. Besides, if you're going after religious fanatics, you don't invade the most secular nation in the mid east. [/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

personally i don't want to start a fight here but if u look on the internet and it was also in the news so it's not just the internet but apparently saddam was paying osama during whole 9-11 thing. so in ur face and stfu.

[sakurasuka]

[quote name='Sayuri-sama][COLOR=DarkGreen']i think your topic question can be answered in one simple word NO!!!!!!!!! he totally wreaked the country :animecry: [/COLOR][/quote]

[SIZE=1]You think so? Really? How, exactly?

Gosh, I hate people who just automatically say 'Bush SUCKS!' without having anything to back it up.

Bush didn't wreak the country. It's not his fault that all this [9/11, Katrina, etc.] happened during his presidency. I think he could've done a thing or two differently, but all-in-all, he did better than most anyone could have done with the situation.[/SIZE]

[Albert Flasher]

[quote name='darkruler']personally i don't want to start a fight here but if u look on the internet and it was also in the news so it's not just the internet but apparently saddam was paying osama during whole 9-11 thing. so in ur face and stfu.[/quote][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]

Which news? Faux News? That makes no sense at all. Saddam supressed Islamic insurgency, Osama WAS an Islamic insurgent. The only source of cash for Al-Queda came from the Taliban (and maybe Iranian royalty).[/COLOR][/FONT]

[Guest darkruler]

[QUOTE=Ziggy Stardust][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]

Which news? Faux News? That makes no sense at all. Saddam supressed Islamic insurgency, Osama WAS an Islamic insurgent. The only source of cash for Al-Queda came from the Taliban (and maybe Iranian royalty).[/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

well he also had money that we provided him from years ago when are government hired osama to take care of somebody in the war i forget who it was i learned it in history last year, and no it was not on fox news it was on numerous news stations like the wb and kcra and tnn. i'm not completely retarded when i state faqs i actually have heard them from valid sources not that i care about bush or any of this junk i just wrote it because my friend hentai started it so i figured i would write in it. i do think bush is a biznitch and i don't like him but unless he's putting our country in serious danger like starting a war so that bombs are coming back at us then i could care less. so look i'll stop writing on here and u just go on about ur bush loving hippie *** ways alright. peace out.

[Albert Flasher]

[quote name='darkruler']well he also had money that we provided him from years ago when are government hired osama to take care of somebody in the war i forget who it was i learned it in history last year, and no it was not on fox news it was on numerous news stations like the wb and kcra and tnn. i'm not completely retarded when i state faqs i actually have heard them from valid sources not that i care about bush or any of this junk i just wrote it because my friend hentai started it so i figured i would write in it. i do think bush is a biznitch and i don't like him but unless he's putting our country in serious danger like starting a war so that bombs are coming back at us then i could care less. so look i'll stop writing on here and u just go on about ur bush loving hippie *** ways alright. peace out.[/quote]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Sienna]
Wow... can I nominate that for the most hilarious post of all time?

You know, just because you hear it on the news doesn't automatically make it fact. They were reporting for a while that Saddam had WMD's and could attack the US and surrounding Mid East nations - that didn't exactly pan out. They were also reporting on almost a nightly basis that the terrorists were going to attack again at any moment, and that it could be as bad as or worse than 9/11.

And unless you know nothing about economics (likely), you'll probably know that debt is bad - and wars cost a lot of money. In fact, I have trouble recalling a war that has put a country further in debt than the Iraq War (Not including the WW's, because those had the opposite effect). What is it, over a trillion dollars invested in Iraq now? There is a good chance the US will never be able to get out of that debt - meaning the days of superpowerness may be coming to an end.

And what's with the insults? And what's with calling me a 'bush loving hippie ***'? Especially since I've posted many times my dislike for Bushie. Also, do you realise how different hippies and bush-supporters are?[/COLOR][/FONT]

[element5852]

Mr. Bush is not a good ******* Prez. I hope he will lose in his next election. If he is ever going to be in the next election. :lecture:

[Shane12_01]

[quote name='element5852']Mr. Bush is not a good ******* Prez. I hope he will lose in his next election. If he is ever going to be in the next election. :lecture:[/quote]
Ummm... he cant be in the next election he's been in it twice so he cant be elected anymore and I'm looking for reasons you like or dislike him, rather than random blurts of he's gay, stupid, or what have you.

[Guest Syrius]

This is just my opinion, but i believe bush to be an idiot, and that the only reason he's president was because of his father.

[Shane12_01]

[quote name='Syrius']This is just my opinion, but i believe bush to be an idiot, and that the only reason he's president was because of his father.[/quote]

Actually I think it was his brothers state that won him the election and thats why Kerry dropped out. :animeswea

[Albert Flasher]

[quote name='Syrius']This is just my opinion, but i believe bush to be an idiot, and that the only reason he's president was because of his father.[/quote][FONT=Times New Roman]
[COLOR=Sienna]
No, it's not just your opinion: on the inagural IQ test, Bush scored a whopping 91. That's an idiot by any sense of the word.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[Guest Syrius]

[QUOTE=Ziggy Stardust][FONT=Times New Roman]
[COLOR=Sienna]
No, it's not just your opinion: on the inagural IQ test, Bush scored a whopping 91. That's an idiot by any sense of the word.[/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]

Yes. ever notice that when he actually says something right, he gets that goofy grin on his face?

[Shane12_01]

[quote name='Syrius']Yes. ever notice that when he actually says something right, he gets that goofy grin on his face?[/quote]

lol... many times I've noticed that, its kinda funny.

in Bushes thoughts

*hey I said something right... and people applauded?! I should try it more offten. I wonder if they appluaded for me saying something right or it was something they liked that I said... whatever, it maid them appluaded :animesmil *

[KatanaViolet]

I'm not an American, so I don't know everything about American politics.
But at the same time, it's better to have an outsiders opinion.
To put it frankly, I think George Bush is an idiot.
The whole Iraq war is based on lies, propaganda and fear. Sure, they got rid of Saddam Hussein, who was a horrible dictator, but does that really make the world a safer place? Who's to say...

People like him make me lose faith in humanity.