A New Leap In Technology.

[Amorphous]

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3791795.stm[/url]

Well, how much more misery will this cause.

And if that isn't convincing enough here are actual videos.

[url]http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html[/url]

What is your view on this? Truly, I see it causing more damage then any good at all.
But I would love to own one myself this is an astounding leap.

[NinjaGirlSango]

Hmmm...
Just looks like doctored photos to me :animeswea

[demonboy]

It's not doctored, I've seen other videos on it. I think I saw something on PBS about it. It's not doctored. What happens is people stand with a reflective coat in front of an object, they then film in real time the things that are happening in front of them, then that image goes through a computer that processes the images to be projected onto the person wearing the coat. The downside is that you need to be looking straight at the person for it to work, and you need the projector and camera. But it's NOT a hoax.

[Disenchanted]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]hmm, Well your probably right that more harm than good will come of it. I can see it being used for the military. It would have to be developed further for that to happen especialy of you need to be projecting things on people. If some one develops this to work without the projector we would see a lot bad things happening. BUT

It is pritty awesome i wouldnt mind one.[/COLOR]

EDIT: RE Bellow: Then were all in a lot of trouble :animedepr the governments will jump all over this, before you know it we'll have invisible tanks and armies.

[Amorphous]

They are working on a much more advanced version as we speak, one that creates total invisibility, you cannot see any part of the body that it is covering while it is moving or otherwise.

[Dodeca]

Hmm...

Real it may be, but it still looks like they have quite a while to go before they get anything approaching actual invisibility.

Invisible walls, perhaps, but going for active camouflage is bound to have more negative results than Tachi realises. Espionage capabilities like that, if successful, just give governments an excuse to throw diplomacy out the window. Not to mention the possibilities for assassination and the like, and crime, both the low-grade stuff mentioned in the report and much more serious things.

It does have some potential for 'good', but once it gets to a certain stage it'll just get abused more and more.

[celestialcharm]

[COLOR=DarkOrchid]The first thing I though was, 'Harry Potter!'

I think that this is cool, but of course if anyone did get their hands on this, I think the majority would abuse it's powers. I know I would!

I think it's almost like how Einstein developed the formula 'E=mc^2' He thought it would be used for good, which it was, but it was also used to make the atomic bombs.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

The technology would have to be strictly controlled to prevent proliferation, though again that brings you into the territory of who should have access to the technology and who shouldn't. As far as abuses, you can only imagine what would happen if this kind of tech was used to sneak a nuclear weapon into a major city. I suppose if one were to play the conspiracy theorist you might say that if the creator behind this technology has been working on it since the 70s, it's possible many governments already have their own versions of it. Still it is going to be used primarily by the military and given the obscene costs of something like this, civilian use will be minimal.[/SIZE]

[Delta]

[COLOR=#790A43][CENTER][IMG]http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/images/cloth2.jpg[/IMG]
[b]OMG! It's Otacon![/b][/CENTER]

[SIZE=1]Ah... ehrm.
Lovely that scientists are able to cook up things that once existed only in books/TVs. There used to be a hundred-year gap between the first conceptualization and actual development of them sci-fi gadgets but inventors have cut that span into a matter of a few years. The optic camouflage was completed some 12 years after Ghost in the Shell popularized the theory behind it; compare that with the time it took for man to build rocket ships Cyrano de Bergerac once wrote about.

Question: Are thermal sensors still able to pick up anyone wearing these things?[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Raya][COLOR=#790A43][SIZE=1]Question: Are thermal sensors still able to pick up anyone wearing these things?[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]
[size=1]I can't see why not... I believe they're just cameras. Quite frankly, I'm afraid of the day that these cannot be picked up on thermal sensors. For all intents and purposes, you'd be a ghost.[/size]

[Amorphous]

[QUOTE=Raya]
[SIZE=1] The optic camouflage was completed some 12 years after Ghost in the Shell popularized the theory behind it; compare that with the time it took for man to build rocket ships Cyrano de Bergerac once wrote about.

Question: Are thermal sensors still able to pick up anyone wearing these things?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

The whole thing is, is this has actually been in the works from the late 1970's so this isn't something being invented because of Ghost in the Shell.

And thermal sensors should be able to pick them up without a problem, the things can't deflect thermal sensor scanners that's pretty much impossible for the moment, they'd need a special material for that and that would probably cost them way to much to incoporate into the scenario. Besides the military will figure out a way anyways.

[John]

Yeah, I was also thinking about thermal sensors when I thought of how this technology would be countered. Frankly, I don't think it'll do too much to change the general state of the world. As technology becomes more available, and criminals get ahold of the cloaking technology, policemen will also be issued cloaking devices, along with heat vision goggles for their everyday patrol routes. Same will go with military, and some day even the public. What I'm getting at is that eventually, we'll all be like this:

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The future is going to [i]kick ***.[/i]
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[ForgottenRaider]

Haha you American's amuse me... You are worried about some primitive 'cloaking' technology when you can buy (off the shelf) weapons that make swis cheese out of other people and the like.

Why can't you just see it from the point of view of 'hey rad, that's some nice tech, wouldn't mind having a play with it!'

[Sara]

[quote name='ForgottenRaider']Why can't you just see it from the point of view of 'hey rad, that's some nice tech, wouldn't mind having a play with it!'[/quote][color=55555][font=trebuchet ms]Honestly, my first thought was for an invisible notebook. What's the point of an invisible notebook? There is no point. It would just sit there and be invisible.

[i]But[/i], I would have an invisible notebook. Ha![/font][/color]

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=ForgottenRaider]Haha you American's amuse me... You are worried about some primitive 'cloaking' technology when you can buy (off the shelf) weapons that make swis cheese out of other people and the like.

Why can't you just see it from the point of view of 'hey rad, that's some nice tech, wouldn't mind having a play with it!'[/QUOTE]
[size=1]Hooray for generalizations!

Yes, I'm worried about some primitive cloaking technology, because once it becomes more sophistocated, it'll be more useful than a gun. Imagine all the crime that you could carry out if you were invisible, and while stealing, all you had to do was put the item underneath your 'cloak' or what have you. It will become a weapon, that's why I'm thinking about it.

And yes, it's something cool to have, like giving rooms with no windows a view.[/size]

[Satoru]

[QUOTE=Retribution][size=1]Hooray for generalizations!

Yes, I'm worried about some primitive cloaking technology, because once it becomes more sophistocated, it'll be more useful than a gun. Imagine all the crime that you could carry out if you were invisible, and while stealing, all you had to do was put the item underneath your 'cloak' or what have you. It will become a weapon, that's why I'm thinking about it.

And yes, it's something cool to have, like giving rooms with no windows a view.[/size][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateGray]I'm sure there will be control over these things.
You can't just think that anyone will be able to get hold of these things. It's not like you can go and find an A-Bomb at your local "Ammu-nation".
I mean, if these did get out of conrtol, a counter measure would be invented sooner than it could do much harm.

Anyway, I think it's seriously tech. It could help doctors and stuff with x-rays instead of having to spray your patient with radiation. And use it to create windows in walls. Would be easier for architecture with the windows and stuff.
Plus I woldn't mind one of those coats just to walk around in. It looks so cool. A T-shirt that showed what was right through you. That's fasion.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Dodeca]

[quote name='Satoru][Size=1][COLOR=DarkSlateGray]You can't just think that anyone will be able to get hold of these things. It's not like you can go and find an A-Bomb at your local "Ammu-nation".[/COLOR'][/SIZE][/quote]
We're not looking at a WMD capable of wiping out all life in an area and rendering it almost uninhabitable for centuries, we're looking at a camera hooked up to a walking television screen. :cross:


[quote name='Satoru][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateGray]Anyway, I think it's seriously tech. It could help doctors and stuff with x-rays instead of having to spray your patient with radiation.[/COLOR'][/SIZE][/quote]
That would be pretty nifty, though I really don't think it could be utilised like that. Consider that you'd have to stick a camera (and a light) in to begin with, and you'd get a bountiful collection of organs and what-not in the way, and it's not really that practical. X-Rays can give a full overview of the body's bone structure, this would be limited to fishing around in someone's chest, which is already done using fibre-optics..

I suppose it could be used as an aid for keyhole surgery, but, unless they can get a true 3D effect with the stuff on the other side, I doubt it'd make the procedures that much easier..

[Amorphous]

[QUOTE=ForgottenRaider]Haha you American's amuse me... You are worried about some primitive 'cloaking' technology when you can buy (off the shelf) weapons that make swis cheese out of other people and the like.

Why can't you just see it from the point of view of 'hey rad, that's some nice tech, wouldn't mind having a play with it!'[/QUOTE]

First of I am not American. Second of all this technology is and can be used as a very dangerous tool. If I cannot see my attacker then I have no chance of actually getting away and if that attacker has a gun with the cloaking techonology then you are just that much more screwed. This tecnhology is like a piece of equipment to aid you and it makes everyone who has it that much more dangerous. Sure a gun can make you look like swiss cheese but cloaking technology will only make everything just a little bit more worse.

And as Retribution said it will only take time before it becomes more sophisticated.

[ForgottenRaider]

[quote name='Amorphous']And as Retribution said it will only take time before it becomes more sophisticated.[/quote]

Are you sure you're not American...Like it sounds like you're scared of your own shadow...I would yell 'terrorist' to check but I'm sure most of the people on this board would go into hiding. (It's a joke, laugh!)

Okay what you need to understand is this is [i]Active Camouflage[/i] so even when it gets to the end point of the technology, camera's and oleds [b]in[/b] the fabric meaning it is only the coat and no external projectors and camera's, you are still only going to be 'invisible' when you're standing perfectly still. Watch Die Another Day (latest Bond movie) and look at his car for an example of what you should be expecting to be watching out for in the distant future.

It's not like we are talking about Klingon cloaking of doom that the Federation has no counter to!

[Drix D'Zanth]

[quote name='ForgottenRaider']Are you sure you're not American...Like it sounds like you're scared of your own shadow...I would yell 'terrorist' to check but I'm sure most of the people on this board would go into hiding. (It's a joke, laugh!) [/quote]

Careful man, unlike many nations, Americans have a surprising degree of respect and patriotism to theirs- with good reason. No reason to make ?American? a derogatory adjective. No reason to be ashamed if you [i]are[/i] an American.

This technology doesn?t have really any commercial application. I can only really see it going into military application. It is a fun technology to ponder the possibilities about, though (it would definitely make taking pickings off of the thanksgiving turkey easier!). With war becoming more and more mechanized, I doubt it will find even practical military use (at least until they can overcome a few technical hurdles).

Time will tell. There?s cooler stuff out there, though.

[TheShinje]

[QUOTE=Lore][color=#555550][font=trebuchet ms]Honestly, my first thought was for an invisible notebook. What's the point of an invisible notebook? There is no point. It would just sit there and be invisible.

[i]But[/i], I would have an invisible notebook. Ha![/font][/color][/QUOTE]
[color=crimson] I have an invisible notebook that is sitting here doing nothing, I won it on Ebay. I thought it would make a nice conversation piece if my friends saw it, but turns out since they can't see it, that idea is pretty much mooted.

Would you like me to send it to you? I also have invisible packing and invisible stamps, though that could cause some problems with the courier.[/color]

[liamc2]

[QUOTE=Dodeca]We're not looking at a WMD capable of wiping out all life in an area and rendering it almost uninhabitable for centuries
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[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Sure we can. As long as that area is a [URL=http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/new_york_minute/]cinema[/URL]

I would love an invisibility cloak, but I do agree that there would be problems arising from its possible perfection and production. Sure, it's not equal to [b]The Arbiter's[/b] active camouflage, but any advantage is an advantage none the less.

Sure, there would be counter-measures and anti-counter-measures, but someone will slip up somewhere and automatically the point will be "the perpetrator was wearing digital camouflage gear."

Of course it's still in recent history when the British thought it preposterous and ignoble to not wear identifiable colours into battle [The Redcoats, anyone? [[note: red was a cheap colour, go figure]] ], and I'm pretty sure I haven't heard any news reports about current camouflage being the reason why something went sour.

[It's at this point I realise that I'm having an argument with myself inside my head. Not cool]

Bottom line: very clever idea that proves light physics is good for something, but the potential military uses far outweigh the benefits that will be given to birdwatchers.

...still a very clever invention. I mean, popular culture promised us quite a few technological marvels in the millenium, flying cars for instance. I'm yet to see one, but this camouflage technology comes as a nice compensation prize..[/FONT]

[Retribution]

[size=1]Most people seem to dismiss this as something that won't ever come into the hands of the public, or as somethign that's completely useless to commit crime with. I think that's wrong. We've seen things that are supposed to be used in one field creep into another before. I also think that the black market will do nicely for procuring these for criminals.

How is it American to think about the sophistication of a currently useless piece of technology? I'd say it's more [i]intelligent[/i] than American -- what's so wrong with forethought?[/size]