pirates vs. ninja vs. samurai

[NekoSama101]

who do you think would win?

i think ninja would.

[Alannie]

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Comic Sans MS]I agree with you, I think ninjas would win. They have the skills. Pirates just do whatever and samurias just have swords. [/FONT] [/SIZE] [/COLOR] :animesmil

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=#3339ff][font=forte]Win what? Doing what?

I think Pirates could win a contest in best booty. Sorry that was a bad joke.

Ninja's have good stealth.. so if they had to go rob a bank vs a pirate they'd win.


Sorry I can't help any more. I have no idea what the topic is about....[/color][/font]

[ProjektAquarius]

Ninjas would win.

1. they were originally meant to assassinate samurai.
2. they have skill and tact which pirates lack.
3. Ninjas are awesome

[Stuart]

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[thezerosystem]

[SIZE=1]Hmm... Sounds like an interesting mix.

Now, I wouldn't throw my lot in with the ninja's quite so quickly. Ninja's have a definate 'coolness' factor going for them, but so do Pirates and Samurai, and we have to consider the style of battle as well.

First, I would imagine most battles involving pirates would take place on the sea, in which case I would have to say ninja and samurai would be (if you will excuse the pun) pretty much sunk. I don't think the shipbuilding industry really took off in Japan untill after the Bakumatsu Revolution in the 1800's ( approx?), when the country was opened up to European trade. Now I don't know how close to accurate I am, I'm just going by Shogun and Rurouni Kenshin...

But for now I'm ruling that on open sea, Pirates would probably win.

So, now I'm looking at Ninja vs. Samurai. Again, I believe it would depend on the situation. In an open confrontation, I'd put my money on the Samurai, hands down, no contest. In a knock-down-drag-out fight, Ninja are...how did that one Ninja woman from PMK put it? "The Ninja are dogs to be slaughtered in the street." Or something. Not that PMK strikes me as a particularly accurate anime...but hey it sounded like it made sense.

Ninja were stealth fighters, spys, assassins, watchers in the dark. They defined the term "Sneaky", if they didn't invent it. Could a Ninja take out a Samurai? Sure, if they got the jump on one, I bet it wouldn't be too dificult. But you have to remember too, that Samurai training wasn't just a style of swordplay, or even an art. It was a religion. All that stuff you hear about "warriors spirit", "Ki" "Chi" (I think Chi is Chinese though...so never mind Chi...) that was something they believed in, and research today in showing there it is more than likely the ability to attune oneself to the presence of others is, in fact, NOT a load of malarky.

I say this because my boyfriend is a former student of chi-gung and is allergic to electic storms, my foster sister knows how to run tests on people's pressure points to tell what foods they are allergic to, her sister is currently undergoing holographic repatterning, and my chiropractor (chiropractor...hmmm.. "Chi" Ropractor? I'll have to dig into that some more...) uses energy points to clear people's allergies as well.

So I'm sorry to say, I think it would be pretty hard to sneak up on a Samurai, no matter how cool Ninjas are...

Anyway, that's my take on it, and now I'm going to shut up and go back to looking for a job like I'm supposed to be doing... [/SIZE]

[Panda]

Due to the complete lack of direction of this thread I will put the Pirate/Ninja/Samurai battle in different situations.

[b]Battle of the Bling-Bling[/b]
Hands down pirates have the best bling, stolen bling, but bling-bling non the less. Think of all the great booty they've plundered from all those ships they attack. You would never see a zen-like samurai with a ton of gold chains on. Imagine how hard it would be for a ninja trying to hide in the shadows with the diamonds in his overly large dollar symbol ($) necklace sparkling in the moonlight. No contest here the win goes to pirates.

[b]All-You-Can-Eat Contest[/b]
Again, pirates win. Pirates are notorious for their wild ways. When you have barrels of stolen rum you've gotta have plenty of eats to go along with it. Perhaps a turkey leg, a mug ale and a wench on his knee...you would have one happy pirate. Now an overfed ninja wouldn't be very light and quick on his feet. Definite loss there. But the samurai could hold his own. I think he would eat lots, but just wouldn't hold a candle to the food a salty pirate could put away. Pirates for the win again!

[b]Super Bowl[/b]
Again, Pirates have the upper hand. Why? Because we have the Raiders, Buccaneers and for kicks the Vikings can join the fray. There are no samurai or ninja inspired NFL teams. No contest, Pirates would win the Super Bowl.

[b]Best Next Door Neighbor[/b]
Unfortunately for pirate fans, they lost this battle. Loud parties and the fear that they would plunder my house would be a major negative factor in this battle. Ninjas and Samurai would be a tough choice. I figure a samurai would have a beautiful garden with a koi pond and it would be very quite and peaceful. A ninja would be so quite you wouldn't even know you had a neighbor. In this case I would have to go with the samurai. I think having a neighbor with a beautiful Japanese garden next door would be wonderful. The samurai is the victor in this fight.

[b]Sing-a-long[/b]
Yo Ho Ho! Pirates win this one. Pirates have a much better soundtrack. There are so many more pirate songs, that is, songs sung by pirates, than ninjas and samurai combined. In movies and shows we don't see singing ninja or samurai like we do with drunken pirates! Pirates win this battle of the bands.

[b]Restaurants[/b]
Well, we have Samurai Sams and their Americanized Asian food, Long John Silvers and their fried fishy dishes and Ninjas? Well, I don't know of any ninja named restaurants. In this particular case the only thing I am sure of is that ninjas have lost. I don't really care much for either of the two choices so I am unable to really crown a winner. I think I'll just leave this battle null and void.

[b]Pirates vs. Ninjas vs. Samurai Melee[/b]
In a three way fight between the groups I put my money on the pirates. Why the pirates. While the ninjas and samurai are battling each other on land the pirates would sail in and plunder their homes. The pirates would be sailing away before the other two groups would even notice.

All joking aside in a fight between the factions it would really depend on where the battleground is. Location, location, location! Location is the key to success. Is the battle on land or sea? In the forest or open field? It all depends on location as to who would be the victor. Without knowing what the situation is there is no way to say for sure who would win.

But reading through my "battlefields" apparently it appears that pirates are in the lead as to who would win in the pirate/ninja/samurai rumble.

[Dodeca]

[SIZE=1]Mmm... 3-way battle of[I] doom![/I]

Anyway, as far as I can see...

[I][B]Advantage Pirates: [/B]Most likely to be the victors of a sea battle, provided the samurai/ninja ships could be kept at bay. Samurai's fought eachother in the occasional sea battle, for example at Dan no Ura (I think) in the 13th/14th century. However, they fought pretty much as they would on land, latching on to other ships with chains/planks and fighting hand-to-hand, or using bows. The only record I can recall of cannons being used at sea in a battle in Japan was in the Sengoku period, involving an allied Portugese ship firing on a castle. So yes, provided the enemy ships could be blasted, the pirates would win.

[B]Disadvantage Pirates:[/B] In any land battle or melee situation. I imagine pirates would be quite disorganised in these situations, and would also have far less combat experience and training compared to their counterparts. Of course, this is entirely debatable, seeing as the pirates would be using weapons and tactics that would be completely new to a samurai or ninja, and vice-versa, which could work in either side's favour.


[B]Advantage Ninja:[/B] This would rely entirely on the element of surprise, and with a relatively small force of ninjas. Ninjas were never intended to work as an army, they were assassins (no new information there, eh?). If they worked their way into a battle between the pirates and the samurai, removing key targets, they could quite easily send one or both of the forces into disarray. Of course, this would carry a lot of risks, and it would be practically impossible to wipe out the enemy entirely.

[B]Disadvantage Ninja:[/B] If they failed to get the jump on the other two, and ended up in a free-for-all battle, they would be quite likely to fail. Remember here that ninjas' weapons were meant to be relatively concealable, and easy to use for quick hit-and-run assasination. The ninja sword, for example, was smaller and had a straight blade that was simple and light compared to the samurai's katana. It was nowhere near as flexible as the katana, and would be broken much easier as a result. Hand-to-hand combat could only get them so far, as samurai were trained in similiar techniques, and the pirates'd probably play dirty.


[B]Advantage Samurai:[/B] In a land battle, with a time for preparation and organisation. Samurai - at their prime, not the whole rogue swordsman thing - worked best as an army, naturally. Over time their tactics grew more advanced, and these could often decide the winner of the battle. On horseback with spear and bow, they could quite easily cut through the rabble of pirates, and the ninjas wouldn't have too great a chance either. On foot, though the samurai could potentially hold the advantage, I think it'd be a much more fragile advantage.

[B]Disadvantage Samurai:[/B] Unable to prepare they're forces, caught off guard. First, it would give the ninjas a perfect opportunity to nibble away at their army, while targetting and eliminating any exposed higher-stature samurai. The pirates would be on even ground for at least a short while, and could probably decimate the samurai with some light cannon and pistol fire. The samurai might be able to recover some of the battle in melee fighting, but history seems to prefer the massacre in this sort of situation.[/I]

Personally, I'd like to favour the samurai, but that wouldn't make them any more likely to win now, would it?[/SIZE]

[NekoSama101]

i'm for the ninja's because
1. they have the element of surprise
2. they have chakra (and use it!)
2. they have the jujistu or however that's spelled.

Samurai have speed and accuracy, but so do ninja. Pirates have the sea and that's about it

[Raiyuu]

[font=Trebuchet MS][quote name='Dodeca][/font][size=1][i][b]Disadvantage Ninja:[/b] If they failed to get the jump on the other two, and ended up in a free-for-all battle, they would be quite likely to fail.[/i][/size'][font=Trebuchet MS][/quote] Ninjutsu is actually an incredibly versatile martial art, and while it's true that historically ninjas specialised in surprise attacks, there are aspects of ninjutsu that work equally well in a melee.

Example! This week I learned how to break a Full Nelson, a favourite hold of bar-brawlers and probably pirates too - those scurvy dogs love to fight dirty. But to be honest, ninjutsu is a pretty dirty fighting art - most of it revolves around breaking one or more of your opponent's bones as early in the encounter as possible, to allow you to escape or just to put them at a disadvantage.

So I don't think ninjas would have much trouble with the pirates; the latter would likely be Grogged up to the gills, and everyone knows pirates are sensitive about their mums, so the ninjas could chokehold the pirates and whisper 'your momma' jokes in their ears so they ran off bawling. Samurai are another matter. Get in close and the superiority of the katana over the ninja sword has already been pointed out. From afar, shuriken would be pretty ineffective against a fully-armoured samurai warrior. The only option would be to try and get shuriken in through the gaps in the armour, at the joints; but a throwing star to the armpit is nowhere near enough to incapacitate a man. Plus, if the samurai had archers, the ninjas would be doubly boned.

So in a straight fight my money's on the samurai. Dark alleys at night, now, that's a different story. Even samurai don't drink sake in their armour. Nice and exposed....
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[Sayuri-sama]

definitly the samurai. try putting a pirate up against the likes of mugen or jin. id like to see that!!! but dont get me wrong the ninjas are pretty close in lead for sneakiness! being such like the naruto ninjas!:animesmil

[Retribution]

[size=1]I'll try and be quick and to the point about this. And for future reference, I'm talking about a 1v1v1 battle, not some huge army conflict.

A ninja probably would not win against any of them unless they managed to kill with the element of surprise. However, a ninja would poison their blade, and as a result, they would [most likely] tie. In short, everyone would die.

To be honest, I have no idea who'd win in a battle of ninja v samurai, but I know for certain that a pirate would eat a samurai for breakfast. Samurai swords are not meant for colliding with metal -- forget the Ruroni Kenshin image you had of them -- katana and/or kodachi would most likely break after one or two clashes with another sword.

In retrospect, though, samurai would lose, as they follow Bushido, whereas pirates and ninja fight dirty. That's a serious disadvantage there.[/size]

[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

What a amusingly fascinating little concept, I wonder has there ever been an instance where pirates have fought melee duels with ninjas and samurai or where the above have engaged in large scale sea battles. I would certainly pay money to see it, as I'm sure would many of the same people who enjoyed the coliseum fights.

Anyway most of the arguments as to who would win have already been made, but I think what people are forgetting to mention in relation to pirates is that they like ninjas will fight dirty if the opportunity presents itself, and they unlike ninjas and samurai always carry pistols. So against a samurai chances are that Blackbeard is just going to blow him without too much trouble, and then cut the ninja down with the cutlass if he can corner him. Either that or all he has to do is reload and then shoot the ninja, either way my money is on the pirate over the others.

As for who's toughest, Blackbeard himself endured five pistol shots and more than twenty sword wounds before finally going down, so again my money is definitely on the pirate rather than the ninja and samurai.[/SIZE]

[John]

First thing I want to know is, when did samurai come into this battle? The feud has always existed between pirates and ninjas, but samurai have only been mentioned very infrequently, if at all.

As it stands, however, some parameters really need to be set for this thing. I'll just humbly tackle a few different situations:

[b]1v1v1 melee:[/b] The ninja will hide in the shadows while the pirate and samurai duke it out. The pirate will use his trusty pistol and take out the samurai immediately. After this, the ninja will probably hit him with one of many poisoned projectile weapons while staying in the shadows. Obviously, location is essential to this situation. If it were a well-lit, flat area, the ninja would be pretty screwed, and the winner between the samurai and ninja would be disputable.

[b]Large battle:[/b] If it's at sea, the pirates would win for reasons I don't think I even need to mention. A land battle, however, would be the samurai's domain. They are specifically trained for these battles, while the pirates simply attack, plunder, and retreat (with conquest not being an objective), and the ninjas fight in smaller groups, also relying on ambush.

[b]All-out war:[/b] If it were a war lasting many years, the ninjas would have a fair shot at winning, I guess. They would be effective in taking out both groups of enemies a bit at a time, and would leave most of the initial fighting between them at first anyway.

[irish vampire]

its a tough decision to make samurais and ninjas are both skilled in their styles but i reckon both would be left standing. if i had to choose ... ninjas

[Dodeca]

[SIZE=1]Meh, I think I'll hop over to the 1:1:1 view for this post.

[quote name='John']The pirate will use his trusty pistol and take out the samurai immediately.[/quote]

'Trusty' wouldn't be the first word to come to mind if I were to think about a pirate pistol. In that era, they were a definite advantage, but they weren't all that sophisticated. They would've been pretty inaccurate, and landing a killing shot would be down to luck more than anything else - unless you fired at near-point-blank, of course. Still, it depends more on whether you go for the armoured or unarmoured samurai, but in either case a 'Bang, dead' situation'd be pretty unlikely. Reloading'd be all but impossible, since it'd leave the pirate completely defenseless as he sorted out the powder and the bullet for a second shot. If he had two pistols, there you go, but just one? Nah.

Then you get back to the whole swordfighting part, albeit with a wounded oponent. With the whole sword-on-sword issue with the katana, a good samurai would try to knock strikes aside, rather than forcing the blades to collide with force. An even better samurai would try to mix in some ninjutsu techniques (since they weren't [I]just[/I] for ninjas) aswell. But, again, you have the whole issue of the potential bullet wound and its effect on... well... everything.

[quote name='Gavin]...Blackbeard himself endured [B]five pistol shots[/B] and [B]more than twenty sword wounds[/B'] before finally going down...[/quote]
Exactly, -1 point for pistols. And as far as sword wounds go, there have been similiar things said about certain renowned samurai. Of course, everybody knows that a legend can't die in just [I]one[/I] hit, right?

[I](Wait... feud... pirates... ninjas? Silly notion, that. I doubt any traditional European pirates would've even seen a ninja. If you take the[/I] wako[I] (Japanese pirates/raiders) maybe, but I don't think it would've been an exclusive feud with the ninja, and it'd be a completely different battle. Heck, in the invasion of Korea in the 1590's, the shogun all but encouraged the wako to do their stuff. Still, if I'm wrong, feel free to [metaphorically] slap me.)[/I][/SIZE]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Dodeca][SIZE=1']'Trusty' wouldn't be the first word to come to mind if I were to think about a pirate pistol. In that era, they were a definite advantage, but they weren't all that sophisticated. They would've been pretty inaccurate, and landing a killing shot would be down to luck more than anything else - unless you fired at near-point-blank, of course. Still, it depends more on whether you go for the armoured or unarmoured samurai, but in either case a 'Bang, dead' situation'd be pretty unlikely. Reloading'd be all but impossible, since it'd leave the pirate completely defenseless as he sorted out the powder and the bullet for a second shot. If he had two pistols, there you go, but just one? Nah.[/SIZE][/quote]
[size=1]I think a 'Bang, dead' scenario amongst an ordinary ninja v samurai v pirate fight would be highly likely. It's not like the bullets from that era gave the victim nice clean holes -- [spoiler]they'd bounce around the body, destroying internal organs before finally permanently settling to kill the opponnent.[/spoiler]

If we're talking legend, then I'd have my money on a ninja. After all, they're fabled to be able to go completely undetected, infiltrate far behind enemy lines, and kill efficiently. I mean sure, Blackbeard and Musashi are good and well, but they'd stand no chance when being murdered on the John.[/size]

[EVA Unit 100]

I think a ninja would win. Pirates are awesome but their loud, over the top-ness, while good for battling an opponent at sea, would make them too easy targets for a stealthy ninja, and if you actually look at the real definition of samurai you'd know that a samurai is essentially a "dog of the military" to quote FMA, and if his lord was bored with the fight he'd probably sepukku himself.

A ronin, on the other hand, I actually think could have a chance at winning the melee. Go Mugen!

[eyesofthedemon.]

Probably ninja would.

Ninja have more weapons(not just swords) and know their surrondings.

Pirates do have swords, but they don't exaclty have more weapons. But they do know their seas..

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]All on all blank-space scrim: [b]Ninja[/b]. The pirate would reckon the samurai to be his most dangerous opponent, and would shoot him straight off with a pistol. The Ninja would then kill the pirate with a throwing star.

Objective based competition: [b]Ninja[/b], again. In just about any situation that brute force can deal with, so can stealth and speed. Pirate's really, lack any skills. Vikings would pwn a pirate. Pirate's might succeed in melee battle, but samurai exceed in mounted or 1-to-1 battle. Ninja can take advantage of either style, because they have cunning speed and m4d sk1llz.[/size]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Baron Samedi][size=1]All on all blank-space scrim: [b]Ninja[/b']. The pirate would reckon the samurai to be his most dangerous opponent, and would shoot him straight off with a pistol. The Ninja would then kill the pirate with a throwing star.[/size][/quote]
[size=1]Do you honestly think a throwing star would penetrate deep enough to kill? I'm supposing that if it struck the Pirate's jugular vein it would be enough to kill, but the chances of that happening in a fast-paced battle are slim to none. The throwing star(s) would wound but not kill the pirate. I'm also betting that a pirate doesn't carry only one pistol...

The only real way to settle this is like men -- [strike]discussing this over tea[/strike] [strike]crying to Stuart to close the thread[/strike] making a thread in the Arena and settling it there. Seriously. What do you all say?[/size]

[Raphael]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']Do you honestly think a throwing star would penetrate deep enough to kill? I'm supposing that if it struck the Pirate's jugular vein it would be enough to kill, but the chances of that happening in a fast-paced battle are slim to none. The throwing star(s) would wound but not kill the pirate. I'm also betting that a pirate doesn't carry only one pistol...[/size][/quote]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype]Ninjas aim their throws so well, they'll aim for a critical spot on an enemy. Think you'll survived a fight with them with a throwing star stuck on your head? :D

Also remember that ninjas had other weapons than throwing stars. They had their swords. If their prey don't die on a single shot (or maybe two.....or maybe more....wow....) they'll quickly finish their opponent with one deadly stab.

Sorry to just popped-up out of nowhere and critique your comments like that. It's just I really want to say something about this right now :animesmil .

As for my opinion on who'd win....that depends....on what type of battles (real battle of course) they're going through. But honestly I think pirates are the worst of them all, they just lack the discipline, strength and weaponry of samurai. They also lack the speed and stealh body of a ninja. What could possibly be a positive side of a pirate? Rule over water? Samurais could be provided with trainings on waters too. Ninjas on the other hand, had an extremely balanced body. That makes it no problem for them to fight even on ships.

About the winners, I think it's a tie between samurais and ninjas. That all depends on situation rather than their natural abilities :animesmil .[/FONT]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1]The only real way to settle this is like men -- [strike]discussing this over tea[/strike] [strike]crying to Stuart to close the thread[/strike'] making a thread in the Arena and settling it there. Seriously. What do you all say?[/size][/quote]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype]-_- don't ask me about this okay?

Kinda interesting though :D[/FONT]

[John]

[quote name='Dodeca][size=1']'Trusty' wouldn't be the first word to come to mind if I were to think about a pirate pistol. In that era, they were a definite advantage, but they weren't all that sophisticated. They would've been pretty inaccurate, and landing a killing shot would be down to luck more than anything else - unless you fired at near-point-blank, of course. Still, it depends more on whether you go for the armoured or unarmoured samurai, but in either case a 'Bang, dead' situation'd be pretty unlikely. Reloading'd be all but impossible, since it'd leave the pirate completely defenseless as he sorted out the powder and the bullet for a second shot. If he had two pistols, there you go, but just one? Nah.[/quote] [size=2]Pirate pistols weren't [i]that[/i] untrustworthy, lol. If you were close enough for a melee battle, you'd be close enough for the pistol to be effective, and take out the samurai. And yeah, if the pirate didn't have another pistol, he'd still have his sword, which would lend a slight advantage against the ninja, whose swords were very flimsy so they could buy them cheap (so I'm told). The ninja would still probably have more skill, though.[/size]

[i][quote name='Dodeca](Wait... feud... pirates... ninjas? Silly notion, that. I doubt any traditional European pirates would've even seen a ninja. If you take the[/i] wako[i] (Japanese pirates/raiders) maybe, but I don't think it would've been an exclusive feud with the ninja, and it'd be a completely different battle. Heck, in the invasion of Korea in the 1590's, the shogun all but encouraged the wako to do their stuff. Still, if I'm wrong, feel free to [metaphorically] slap me.)[/i'][/size][/quote] It's a running internet joke. I'm sure you could find something on Wikipedia about it. ;D

[Raphael]

[quote name='John][size=2]Pirate pistols weren't [i]that[/i'] untrustworthy, lol. If you were close enough for a melee battle, you'd be close enough for the pistol to be effective, and take out the samurai. And yeah, if the pirate didn't have another pistol, he'd still have his sword, which would lend a slight advantage against the ninja, whose swords were very flimsy so they could buy them cheap (so I'm told). The ninja would still probably have more skill, though.[/size][/quote][FONT=Palatino Linotype]Uh huh, pistols on melee range.....sounds funny....

If they're on melee range why even bother using guns? They'd be dead already before they're able to pull out that gun....even though the pirates had the guns on their hand already it would be hard to aim someone moving fast closer to them...

Sorry to barge in like that....I just need someone to fill my need to....debate? Err, no....I really wanted to talk about it now so.....argh, whatever...[/FONT]

[Raiyuu]

[font=Trebuchet MS]I'd assume they'd have pulled out the pistol before closing to melee range. And what's the point of a pistol up close? It still makes a hole is what, and plus at point blank it could probably penetrate samurai armour. A pistol shot is quicker and more often deadly / incapacitating than a sword.

[quote name='John][/font'] It's a running internet joke. I'm sure you could find something on Wikipedia about it. ;D[font=Trebuchet MS][/quote] Better to try [url="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Great_Pirate-Ninja_conflict"][b]Uncyclopedia [/b][/url]- it leaves no dumb Internet meme unturned!
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