Your Religion

[Guest DreamW3aVer]

I myself am Christian. I believe in God, The Holy spirit and all of that sturff.

[Boo]

[quote name='NekoSama101']that's exactly what i've been trying to say when cussing is one of the "lighter" sins! The punishment is not going to be as harsh, if at all, as when you steal something, kill someone, etc.[/quote]

[size=1]Err, what are you thinking of when thinking of "less harsh punishments"? There's heaven, there's hell. Perhaps you're planning to step with only one foot in the scorching heat of the hell?

Like Sara said quite nicely: "The "glory of god" thing is a Pass-Fail test where the passing grade is 100%. Even if you miss by half a point, you still miss. You still fail." [/size]

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=Sara][color=#b0000b][size=1]The "glory of god" thing is a Pass-Fail test where the passing grade is 100%. Even if you miss by half a point, you still miss. You still fail. That's the idea. Definitely, some things have much greater negative impact than others (you could try to argue otherwise, but it would be pretty tiresome), but that's not the point. The point is that, no matter how slight the sin, you fail to attain perfection. In [i]that[/i] sense, all sins are equal.

[...]

With this in mind, I would counter Retri's "sick child" example by saying that, rather than considering "magnitude" of sin, I would not consider that action a sin at all. It is taken in love for the child, in order to save the child (whom the parent has [b]a responsibility[/b] to care for to the best of his ability). Of course, there are alternative courses of action in such a situation (and alternative interpretions), but I've stated my opinion, and I think I'm going to leave that topic alone now.

Of course, no one (least of all, God) is asking me.[/size][/color][/QUOTE]
[size=1]Well, it's not a pass-fail test if you're Catholic (Purgatory and all that jazz), but I see your point. My whole point was not that we can attain perfection, but that certain sins make you lose more "points" than others, if we want to run with the test analogy. A murder would certainly be a serious knock on your grade in comparison to cheating on a test.

My whole point with the sick child example was to provide an extreme example where deceit was still employed. The purpose of the sick child was to show that there are certainly degrees of sin, in my opinion. Whether that specific example was a sin or not is sort of missing my point. However, you rebutted it beautifully with the Sermon on the Mount.[/size]

[Guest WATHACHI]

Very Well Put Amelia,i Have Been Researching The Bible For Quite Some Time,the Relationship Is The Key.i Have A Lot Of Information,that I Would Be More Than Happy To Share,feel Free. Wathachi

[Justin]

Retribution, you've still misunderstood me. What I said was that we(society at large) once believed that social progress (ie: education) would cure all human ills. This has been proven to be wrong by society's current status. This is the transition from [i]modernism[/i] to [i]post-modernism[/i]. As I said, this is a secular line of thinking, and the "punch line" if you will, of this thinking is this: "We once said, 'If we educate the crooks, they won't need to be crooks anymore.' Well, now we've educated them, and we have nothing but educated crooks." This is what I was alluding to when I said "Progress in society has only produced progressed evil."

Perhaps the reason you saw no argument for seeking God for social change in the quoted post was because I did not make any such argument. I merely made a statement that is proven by society. You put wings on that statement and flew it to somewhere I did not intend for it.

I think you've labelled me in your head as some religious fanatic shouting "God wills it!" from behind the pulpit.

As for my point on degrees of sin: If you'll read my post, I clearly stated it has nothing to do with you; I just used your last post on that subject as a reference point for the purpose of inserting myself into the debate.

I think I'll leave this debate alone, though. It's pretty clear to me that something I said has been far misunderstood, though, I do not think I misstated anything.

-Justin

[Hanabishi Recca]

[quote name='NekoSama101']that's exactly what i've been trying to say when cussing is one of the "lighter" sins! The punishment is not going to be as harsh, if at all, as when you steal something, kill someone, etc.[/quote]

CUSSING IS WRONG.

Okay, you commit one of the sins you commit the ALL. (Sorry to say, but you should really read the Bible)

And the meaning of VAIN is:

Without a cause, deceit (-full), false (-ly), vain (thing), liar, lie, wrongfully.

That if from the Hebrew (which is what the old testament was written with. So if you wanted the true meaning of what they where saying, you would have to go to the language they where speaking.).

Vain isn't only one thing. It isn't only gossip. It is everything that is without a cause, deceitfull, false, vain, a lie, wrongfully.

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]CUSSING IS WRONG.

Okay, you commit one of the sins you commit the ALL. (Sorry to say, but you should really read the Bible)

And the meaning of VAIN is:

Without a cause, deceit (-full), false (-ly), vain (thing), liar, lie, wrongfully.

That if from the Hebrew (which is what the old testament was written with. So if you wanted the true meaning of what they where saying, you would have to go to the language they where speaking.).

Vain isn't only one thing. It isn't only gossip. It is everything that is without a cause, deceitfull, false, vain, a lie, wrongfully.[/QUOTE]
[size=1]So since I curse, I may as well go and kill someone, since the sins are equal according to you? I'm sorry, but I don't think that the Bible, much less the Old Testament makes any sense on this issue.

And yes, very sorry Justin -- I certainly misunderstood you. Once again, my apologies.[/size]

[Ai.sAkUrA.chan]

well, i'm suppose to be christian, as my whole family is.
but, sometimes, i'm not. awkard...like i'll have my own weird believes and begin to wonder if God loves us all, why do we suffer so much? like epidemics, natural disasters, wars etc. those are some stuff that make me really think.
yea, and there's sometimes when my whole family goes to church and "forget" to invite me...yea, that's a little strange there.
hmm...yea, that's about it, i guess..

[Sandy]

[QUOTE=Ai.sAkUrA.chan]well, i'm suppose to be christian, as my whole family is.
but, sometimes, i'm not. awkard...like i'll have my own weird believes and begin to wonder if God loves us all, why do we suffer so much? like epidemics, natural disasters, wars etc. those are some stuff that make me really think.
yea, and there's sometimes when my whole family goes to church and "forget" to invite me...yea, that's a little strange there.
hmm...yea, that's about it, i guess..[/QUOTE]


Don't worry, everybody have at some point doubted their religions - even priests and reverends. It's a natural thing, and a good thing in my opinion, because that shows you haven't taken everything for granted, i.e. you're not a gullible fool.

I see lots of radical faith and fundamentalism in this thread, but I assume it's only because most of the members here are so young. As you gain experience in life, you'll see that not everything goes "by the book" (actually, very little does).

You might have to go to war and kill somebody. You might lose all your relatives in a natural disaster. You might become an alcoholist. You might fall in love with a member of same sex. You might marry a muslim and convert to one.

Things happen in life that make you change your views, have no doubt about that. That's why it'd be better to keep your mind open and tolerant for different things and not live enclosed to the ideals that your parents have taught you.

This is how I think.

[Sara]

[quote name='Retribution][size=1']Well, it's not a pass-fail test if you're Catholic (Purgatory and all that jazz), but I see your point. My whole point was not that we can attain perfection, but that certain sins make you lose more "points" than others, if we want to run with the test analogy. [/size][/quote][color=#b0000b][size=1]Ah, right. I guess I knew that, but it totally didn't occur to me when writing that post. I guess it shows that I'm not Catholic, huh? But yeah, that does bring another light to things.

It doesn't change my view (that it doesn't matter how many "points" you lose), but I definitely understand where you're coming from (and have all along, even if I didn't manage to associate it with Catholicism).

And again, (to anyone entering the conversation) I do not claim that cheating on a test is as dire an action as killing a person. This is in a purely theological context.[/color][/size]

[Hanabishi Recca]

[QUOTE=Retribution][size=1]So since I curse, I may as well go and kill someone, since the sins are equal according to you? I'm sorry, but I don't think that the Bible, much less the Old Testament makes any sense on this issue.

And yes, very sorry Justin -- I certainly misunderstood you. Once again, my apologies.[/size][/QUOTE]

Sorry sir (miss?), If you commit one of sin, you commit them all.
Says it in the Bible.

And people won't go to Heaven because they didn't accept Jesus into thier life.

There is a reason in the Bible it talks about being saved.

But basicly, people will go to Hell because they didn't accept Jesus into thier life. It doesn't matter if they were nice to everyone, if they didn't accept Jesus.

Now God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy, don't hear what I am not saying.

[Sara]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]Sorry sir (miss?), If you commit one of sin, you commit them all.
Says it in the Bible.[/QUOTE][color=#b0000b][size=1][size=3][center]zomgsauce?!?![/center][/size]

It would be helpful if you would include references (or exact quotes) for your Biblical arguments. It's very difficult to justify taking someone at face value whose only arguement is "Says it in the Bible," especially when they don't give context--not everyone is familiar with the Bible, and that unfortunately includes a lot of people who use it as their argument.

In this case, I think you're referring to James 2:10: [b]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.[/b]

However, verse eleven does go on to say: [b] For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.[/b] Which to me doesn't imply that murder=adultery (or that swearing=murder), but that the law is [i]just as broken[/i] in both cases.

[All of the quotes I'm using, unless otherwise noted, are from the NIV Bible. If anyone wants to cross-check and see what the verses read in other translations, [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202:10-11]This is a useful site[/url].][/size][/color]

[Hanabishi Recca]

[QUOTE=Sara][color=#b0000b][size=1][size=3][center]zomgsauce?!?![/center][/size]

It would be helpful if you would include references (or exact quotes) for your Biblical arguments. It's very difficult to justify taking someone at face value whose only arguement is "Says it in the Bible," especially when they don't give context--not everyone is familiar with the Bible, and that unfortunately includes a lot of people who use it as their argument.

In this case, I think you're referring to James 2:10: [b]For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.[/b]

However, verse eleven does go on to say: [b] For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.[/b] Which to me doesn't imply that murder=adultery (or that swearing=murder), but that the law is [i]just as broken[/i] in both cases.

[All of the quotes I'm using, unless otherwise noted, are from the NIV Bible. If anyone wants to cross-check and see what the verses read in other translations, [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202:10-11]This is a useful site[/url].][/size][/color][/QUOTE]

Thanks alot. I didn't know where it was myself. I could have checked. Sorry about that.

I will explain what I am saying.

(KJV) James 2:10 - 11

For Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (next verse)
For also he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Now the AMP is better to me.

(AMP) James 2:10 - 11

sor whosoever keeps the law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it. (next verse (This is great stuff))
For He who said, you shall not commit adultery, but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the [whole] Law.

Does that not say that you break one part of the law, you are guilty of breaking it all?


Thanks for your time,

David.

PS, thanks for bringing the Bible into this.
I am much better with the word by my side ;)

[Retribution]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]Sorry sir (miss?), If you commit one of sin, you commit them all.
Says it in the Bible.[/QUOTE]
[size=1]For the record, it's [B]Mr. Retribution[/B] to you. :p

Oh, so a dusty old book says something -- it must be right! Forget questioning -- forget the [i]why?[/i], just swallow whatever the Bible says. It's completely logical.

[QUOTE]And people won't go to Heaven because they didn't accept Jesus into thier life.

There is a reason in the Bible it talks about being saved.

But basicly, people will go to Hell because they didn't accept Jesus into thier life. It doesn't matter if they were nice to everyone, if they didn't accept Jesus.[/QUOTE]
So I suppose Gandhi is roasting in Hell because he just wasn't good enough for Jesus to accept into Heaven. And I guess people I know will be going to Heaven, since they've accepted Jesus; no matter that they haven't done even a fraction of the good that Gandhi did -- it's perfectly logical that way. I'm sure God wouldn't want some heathen like [i]Gandhi[/i] defiling his Heaven!

[QUOTE]Now God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy, don't hear what I am not saying.[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Further clarification would be nice; currently it sounds like circular logic.[/size]

[John]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]CUSSING IS WRONG.

Okay, you commit one of the sins you commit the ALL. (Sorry to say, but you should really read the Bible)

And the meaning of VAIN is:

Without a cause, deceit (-full), false (-ly), vain (thing), liar, lie, wrongfully.

That if from the Hebrew (which is what the old testament was written with. So if you wanted the true meaning of what they where saying, you would have to go to the language they where speaking.).

Vain isn't only one thing. It isn't only gossip. It is everything that is without a cause, deceitfull, false, vain, a lie, wrongfully.[/QUOTE] You are quite correct there. All of those things are vain, and therefore wrong (although I doubt they were using the "without a cause" definition for the purposes of the Bible, heh). Furthermore, [b]none[/b] of those things have the least thing to do with cussing. Saying "damn" instead of "shucks" hasn't even the remotest thing to do with being "deceitful, false, vain, a lie, wrongfully" at all. I'm not asking you to necessarily believe cussing isn't wrong if you don't want to, but at least give thought to what I'm saying.

[Hanabishi Recca]

[quote name='John]You are quite correct there. All of those things are vain, and therefore wrong (although I doubt they were using the "without a cause" definition for the purposes of the Bible, heh). Furthermore, [b]none[/b'] of those things have the least thing to do with cussing. Saying "damn" instead of "shucks" hasn't even the remotest thing to do with being "deceitful, false, vain, a lie, wrongfully" at all. I'm not asking you to necessarily believe cussing isn't wrong if you don't want to, but at least give thought to what I'm saying.[/quote]

Yeah, I have. But I know it is wrong. I have in my younger years.
But I know now.

Cussing (the words) are false. That is what I think.

I think saying shucks is wrong too. Because it has no meaning. It is a vain word.

And I got the explanation from Hebrew. Witch is what the old testament was written in.

[HarveyDandylion]

I am/ w4s a christian to the extent that my edjucation was always christian schools and my life was with others in my youth ... Soon came the collapse of the world ... ctrl +alt +delete ... There has been a page fault ergg, eek, fizzle ... etc ... Thenwhile bathing in the light of the almighty internet i found a thing called science, then metapysics and soon i was sarounded by many variations on the same truth ... Learning is the only religion, God is a desease of the weak minded ... or maybe the week minded ... I live by my own ideals, my own sense of concionce (Sp). The C of E upbringing will of course always be and influence to my personal way of thinking, i am still conected to that society by people i know ... Life is suffering and so we shall die and fade away has our memories perish and take our personal self into the great nothing.

[Sandy]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]Yeah, I have. But I know it is wrong. I have in my younger years.
But I know now.

Cussing (the words) are false. That is what I think.

I think saying shucks is wrong too. Because it has no meaning. It is a vain word.

And I got the explanation from Hebrew. [B]Witch[/B] is what the old testament was written in.[/QUOTE]

You said "witch" when you were supposed to say "which"! It's a vain word, thus you go to Hell! You just commited an act that is as bad as murder, so there's no salvation for you! Ha!

...

Can't you really see the lunacy of your claims? You are practically playing God now, defining who goes to Heaven and who don't. Anyone who equals "shucks" to murder is obviously living in his or her own little La-la Land, and could really use a serious reality check.

I'm going to question your interpretation of Bible, even though I'm not a theologist - but neither are you.

[quote=Hanabishi Recca](KJV) James 2:10 - 11

For Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (next verse)
For also he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Now the AMP is better to me.

(AMP) James 2:10 - 11

sor whosoever keeps the law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it. (next verse (This is great stuff))
For He who said, you shall not commit adultery, but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the [whole] Law.[/quote]

Where does these verses say anything about "sin" or "going to Hell", if I may ask? They are about laws of a long-gone civilization. You should follow the laws and regulations of your [I]own[/I] country, not one that hasn't existed in millenniums.

Bible has many good, universal and timeless moral codes, but not [I]every[/I] word written to it is valid anymore. Using your own brains is more than allowed now, it's actually recommended.

Honestly, your religion is seemingly eating up your sense of reality. So I'd advice you to think about if you want to live in this time or 2000 years in the past.

[EVA Unit 100]

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]Sorry sir (miss?), If you commit one of sin, you commit them all.
Says it in the Bible.[/QUOTE]

No it doesn't. Everyone sins, but not everyone kills or rapes people. I'm Jewish, so if there is anything in the New Testament saying that I wouldn't know, and I'm pretty certain the Old Testament doesn't say anything like that. If it does, show me the quote.

[daredevilsdad]

wow after reading ALL your replies im starting to wonder if i chose the right one im sorry im not going to tell anyone my religion (i do have one) but i just dont want to be judged

[Guest Gun Preacher]

5 pages on this thank you all for your post its so nice to talk to people out side the cia(chirstains in action) and hear other peoples oppinon on this subject i love you all and my god bless you for this again thank you.

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sorry if anyones mad i guess when it comes to religon people tend to get aggeresive hint cusaders

and feel free to speak your mind you are not ment to be judge and no can speak for god but god himself
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[Chikara Kokoro]

I'm Lutheran, a little anti-Catholic in my mentality, but overall the same as other denominations of Christianity. Based on other posts here I seem to also be slightly more liberal than some other Christians.

I was taught that Jesus had died for our sins, and I was also taught that as long as we accepted the existence of Jesus we would be saved and go to heaven. I remember little third grade me being taught this in Sunday school and thinking "Wow, so as long as we admit he's there on our dying breath, we'll be saved?"

I've grown since then.

I have no idea what God's scorecard is like, but I'm willing to wait and hope and see what happens.

Another thing that needs to be mentioned is the accuracy of the bible. My grandmother always taught me to not take the bible literally word by word because it was hand transcribed by monks. Monks are human, and it seems like it would have been impossible for one of them to have never made a mistake.

On another note, To Tell You the Whole Truth [URL=http://www.scborromeo.org/truth/truth.htm](link)[/URL] is very interesting website, and is definitely worth a look if you want some historical background on the bible and the Christian church in general.

[SunfallE]

[COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]Well first of all I don?t belong to or believe in any religion. I believe that belonging to or believing in a religion is not necessary in order to be what one would consider a good person. Part of my decision to not follow any religion is that since so many are claiming that their way is the only way, how can one know which, if any, is correct? Perhaps someday I?ll find something that fits what I feel inside, but for now not belonging or believing has been the best path for me to follow.

I tried to be a member of the church (Mormon) that I was born and raised in, but to be honest I was miserable. I hated attending something that had views and values that I did not agree with. I?ve been far happier since I quit pretending.[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca]CUSSING IS WRONG.

Okay, you commit one of the sins you commit the ALL. (Sorry to say, but you should really read the Bible)[/QUOTE]Actually I don?t really believe that cussing is wrong. Whether or not a word is considered a swear word depends upon your social surroundings. So why would God send you to hell for saying a word that until someone actually told you about it, you had no idea was even a cuss word? That hardly sounds like the actions of an all-powerful and caring deity. And telling me that because the Bible says it?s wrong doesn?t cut it either. I?ve said it before (not in this thread) but the Bible was written by people and since when did being written equal truth?

Others have already mentioned it but trying to tell someone that just because they said a cuss word they have failed just doesn?t make sense. Sin is far more complex than a black and white view of yes you sinned or no you haven?t. If we were to follow that reasoning then more people would be in jail. After all they failed right? [/COLOR]

[lixian]

When i was young, nearly everyone tried to brainwash me and make me become catholic, because although i was baptised, i was more interested in buddhism. Now i don't have any religion.

[Hanabishi Recca]

[QUOTE=Sandy]You said "witch" when you were supposed to say "which"! It's a vain word, thus you go to Hell! You just commited an act that is as bad as murder, so there's no salvation for you! Ha!
[/QUOTE]

Do you know how stupid you look?

You see, I am talking about CUSSING. You should study this stuff brfore you know what you are talking about.
There is a difference between saying something wrong, and mispelling a word (Or 10 if you are me =)).

And either way, I won't go to Hell because I have accepted Jesus into my life.
To get this straight, when you die, you go where your God is. If you are serving the Devil, you will go to Hell. If you are serving God, you are going to Heaven.
It is that easy.