Anime Think Anime Are Starting to Get More Complicated?

[animeloyalist91]

[QUOTE=Tatsubei Yagyu][COLOR=Navy][FONT=Comic Sans MS]...hmmm....

Some anime are really complicated, but if you follow the story closely, and don't miss any episodes, then you can understand them fairly clearly [/font][/color][/quote]


In all fairness that is load of bull. Not I not talking about NEG. I have seen every episode of Ghost in a shell 2nd Gig and I am barly understanding it. :(

[Delta]

[COLOR=#656446][quote name='animeloyalist91']In all fairness that is load of bull. Not I not talking about NEG. I have seen every episode of Ghost in a shell 2nd Gig and I am barly understanding it. :([/quote]Don't need to watch each episode, BTW. You just have to get them COMPLEX episodes (not the STANDALONE eps) and that's almost as good as watching the whole series. Also, they have released an Individual Eleven OAV(OVA?) which features the most important parts in the COMPLEX episodes so this one's also recommended if you haven't the patience to watch through 2nd Gig or are having trouble following the story. ^_^[/COLOR]

[Tatsubei Yagyu]

[COLOR=Navy][FONT=Comic Sans MS][quote name='animeloyalist91']In all fairness that is load of bull. Not I not talking about NEG. I have seen every episode of Ghost in a shell 2nd Gig and I am barly understanding it. :([/quote]

Well, I've been watching them, and I understand. ;)

Plus, I thought some episodes aren't related to each other. The one on April Fool's Day had this kid waiting for his father, and revolved around Batou, while the one a week before was about a kid that was in trouble with the Mafia, and revolved around Motoko.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[animeloyalist91]

Some of the filler episodes can be related to the mental part of the anime.

[Sanoske_Interow]

Okay...I agree most anime is beginning to get more complicated but, most of it is good for it if there are alot of twist in the story line then it keep certain ppl interested. Noyice I said certain ppl....

[ceath]

[QUOTE=Samurai Mix][COLOR=Red]]

Champloo certainly does not lack substsance. You just have to give it time. For instance episode 14 Misguided Miscreants part2 would have to have had the best flashback sequence Ive ever seen in an anime. The Elegy of Entrapment 2 parter(the ones with Sara) were excelllent. , and the final 3 episodes were brillant. I think this show is just as good as bebop. You just have to give this sereis time before it gets good.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

i believe that if you have to give it time to make an impact than it obviously wasn't that good, i must admit that i now like Champloo more than in the beginning because of those episodes. but Bebop had an instant impact on me, as well as the fact that watanabe started off creating Champloo as a fun project of 13 episodes that wasn't really meant to have the substance of Bebop and only after interference did it develop into what it is now.

And Dagger i never said that it all ended after 2001, i simply said it decreased, i still believe there are some out there just not as many.

[Kenshin DX]

[quote name='ceath']i believe that if you have to give it time to make an impact than it obviously wasn't that good, i must admit that i now like Champloo more than in the beginning because of those episodes. but Bebop had an instant impact on me, as well as the fact that watanabe started off creating Champloo as a fun project of 13 episodes that wasn't really meant to have the substance of Bebop and only after interference did it develop into what it is now..[/quote]

Id have to disagree.

IMO I find that hard to belive that Bebop had an instant impact due to the fact the first 4 episodes of Bebop were nothing special. When I first saw the first 4 episodes I thoguht wow this anime is pretty cool with the good dialogue,action , and intresting chacters(all of which champloo had). But wasnt deep.

Then you hit episode 5 and things turn from good to outstanding. Ballad of Fallen Angels is what hooked most pepoleto Bebop. Then like Champloo things go back to being slow and then pick up again (with some good episodes in between) and then you get the next great multiparter for Bebop and Champloo.

The final epsiodes are what left people with the biggest impact of all. The final episodes of both series were frickin outstanding. Alkthoguh Bebop had the better ending.

It dosent have to start with an immediate impact to be good but just as long as it makes its impact.

[ceath]

[QUOTE=Samurai Mix]Id have to disagree.

IMO I find that hard to belive that Bebop had an instant impact due to the fact the first 4 episodes of Bebop were nothing special. When I first saw the first 4 episodes I thoguht wow this anime is pretty cool with the good dialogue,action...[/QUOTE]

How can you say that? Every episode of Cowboy Bebop is totally great. Ok I admit that the episodes that have Vicious in them probably have the most impact, but every other episode is just as good, some oozing with substance more than others. As for the first 4 not being much, Asteroid Blues is what really builds up for the rest of the series Old Man Bull makes his first appearance giving hints as to the ending of the series (I?m a fan that believes Spike [spoiler]really did die[/spoiler]). Ok so back to my initial argument of episodes containing substance Gateway Shuffle is one of the best of the series. It combines the modern science with age old evolution, environmentalist that shoot up people who go against their cause that?s an extreme way of fighting for nature and a total contrast to the tree hugging character that environmentalist are described with these days, but that Monkey Business Virus is the best, as some one who wants to study biology and is a huge fan of Darwin that virus is so cool. But the real point here being that the evolutionary and environmentalists arguments are these days major issues within society and the way in which they are portrayed in this episode is making a statement that as a society where violence is becoming an increasingly popular method of getting ones point across, peaceful actions will not always be as effective.

It?s obvious that you seem to only look for an impact, and not actually substance within the episodes as every nearly episode has a statement about society, wether it straight out there or being an underlining theme. As well as the fact that Ballad Of Fallen Angles does not actually make that great a statement as it is really only looking at the internal politics that control Spikes life.
Another episode that also portrays substance is Sympathy For The Devil, which questions immortality because while we may fear death, we actually wish to experience it to feel complete. An episode that really stuck with me was Pierrot Le Fou, I think this had the greatest statement of society with the fact that science sees it necessary to create, whether it is needed or not. They create the perfect killing machine, their own Frankenstein?s monster for no apparent reason. Although deem him useless when he reverts to a childlike phycology, which realistically is an advantage because in today?s court system, people who commit crimes but don?t understand the consequences of their actions are given linen see. Cowboy Funk, was a statement against commercialism, by using explosive teddy bears, stating that all of our problems stem from the social upbringing of children. As we seem to think that everything needs to be improved and made more efficient through technology. While Brain Scratch, expressed how we may think we live our lives according to religion because we need something to believe in, but realistically were controlled by television, so much so that we can?t really distinguish reality from illusion.
Toys In The Attic may not seem that important or substance filled, but of the entire series that has got to be the most important episode. I speak from experience when I say that Spikes line at the end is one lesson that you should never forget.

[Kenshin DX]

^^^That was a great post . I like how you anazlyzed each episode very well. But I thoguht we were on the topic of impact not substance.

[ceath]

[quote name='Samurai Mix']^^^That was a great post . I like how you anazlyzed each episode very well. But I thoguht we were on the topic of impact not substance.[/quote]

well i kinda went back to my first post on substance, sorry.