Gay Marriage and President Bush

[Farto the Magic]

[QUOTE]Everyone who isn't saved is going to hell and should therefore live it up.[/QUOTE]

Tearing down society along with them. Fasteriskhead, you are so right, you have no idea. As for the whole gay thing (sorry for the bluntness, but deal with it), I am not a fan. When I look at someone to date, I usually don't consider her sexual preference and in all honesty, it complicates the already complicated process. I don't think people are born gay, because Freud was high on the fumes coming from his own ***. Babies aren't sexual. How many babies have you seen getting down and dirty? None. People get that way from having a personal view on something that is skewed (gender roles, parenting, w/e) and they run with it. They can stop being gay, as is evidence by the numerous ex-gays out there.

As for gay marriage, again Fasteriskhead, you are so right. And Bush, while being a moron, is a puppet for something larger than himself. Black Sun Criminal Syndicate. No, wait. Republicans as a whole. Its what his constituants (sp?) want...I guess. I like what he's done, I hate his global polotics, I like the Iraq thing, but he is an idiot.

[Sandy]

[quote name='Farto the Magic'] Babies aren't sexual. How many babies have you seen getting down and dirty? None. People get that way from having a personal view on something that is skewed (gender roles, parenting, w/e) and they run with it. They can stop being gay, as is evidence by the numerous ex-gays out there.[/quote]

Of course babies and children aren't sexual in [I]that[/I] way, but they have different methods of "pleasing" themselves (putting things to their mouth, touching, relieving themselves etc.). Those things are all connected to the budding sexuality.

I for once had my childhood "sex plays" and experimentations with girls and boys alike - although even at that point I was more into boys, I just didn't realize that consciously until later.

I've been out to myself and other people for only three years now, yet I know I've been gay for my whole life. To list some stereotypical stuff I've always hated fighting (except in videogames), as a toddler I liked to dress up in my sister's gowns, I have an upbeat and positive personality, and most importantly, vaginas disgust me.

Doesn't that sound gay to you?

My point is (again), that [B]unless [I]you[/I]'ve had these sort of experiences, [I]you[/I] can't claim to know [I]anything[/I] about being gay.[/B]

What comes to "ex"-gays, don't you think there's a chance they are only faking it because society has oppressed them to do so? I know [I]I[/I] would hide my true orientation if somebody threatened my life for it!

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]You can't be "ex-gay" and you also can't choose to be gay or not gay. We really can't have a serious discussion until that is put well behind us - it's an archaic, draconian view of the world and it's based only on ignorance. Don't even bother making those type of arguments in this thread, please.

Being gay is exactly like being straight, except the gender involved is different. There you go. Nothing else is different in terms of personality and stuff...there are just so many stereotypes involved that it's hard to get anywhere in a legitimate discussion.

In any case, it might be a good idea to remain on-topic here. This thread had some good potential and it's generally been very informative for both sides. Let's not drag it down into a pit of ignorance, okay? :catgirl: [/font]

[Zen]

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I don't see what the point of making gay marriage illegal is based on relegious grounds, seeing as how it can be based on relegious differences. There are several denominations of Christianity and other relegions based on minor differences in belief. So, if America is a land based off of relegious freedom, I don't see how our President could stand on the grounds that homosexual marriage is against the law because it goes against Christian beliefs. What if the homosexual is agnostic? Buhddist? Athiest? Taoist? Any number of relegions. Say a church comes along which supports free love, and it's their relegious right to marry within their gender?

I honestly don't see how a person being homosexual would affect or concern any one else. It's not their problem and it shouldn't be their business. Yeah, I may belong to a church which calls it a sin personally. But it's none of my concern. Even if I do veiw it to be wrong, I wouldn't infringe on another's right to do as they please, especially when it isn't harming themselves or those around them. I could understand how the marriage within a church could upset some people, but the marriage doesn't HAVE to take place in that church. The gay community only seems to really wish to be veiwed in the eyes of the government as a legal union, as do heterosexual couples. I believe they should have this right atleast.

I'm don't even consider myself an activist for gay rights, but I do consider myself an activist for human free rights. Regardless of sexual orinetation, it is their right. And I honestly don't see what help it is denying them this right for our country. Heh.

That's my two cents.

[b]The Boss[/b][/color][/size]

[Guest Sting]

Ok, so here we go. Let the flaming begin! Alright, you all would like another's view on Gay Marriage? Let me put it like this: Nope, I hate it and I AM against it.

Sure, people shouldn't be hated for what they are, but the point is is that they are hated for this and not everyone will be generous about it ya know? I mean, me.. I am straight and always will be. I hate gay men with a passion, I find it gross and annoying to see men holding hands and kissing and talking like females. I'm not sorry, because it's who am, it's me. I hate gay males and I always will. Now, gay women.. Heh, this one is kindof funny. In the pornos, lesbian scenes are with hot chicks.. But, in real life, it is a big, burly lumberjack female who looks like Paul Bunyan with a mullet. Now, my views on this are.. well, kindof distorted because.. I dunno, I support gay women in the pornos but in real life, they look like Lumberjacks and wow, they are really.. really ugly.

Now, gay men.. if one was to walk up to me and feel me, I would break his fingers and probably beat him half to death. I'm telling you, I hate gay men with a fiery passion! Lesbians are only good in the pornos guys, so don't expect to see a Jenna Jameson walking the streets because if you find a lez, it will probably look like jack black.

My views are obvious. so sue me.

[Farto the Magic]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=DarkGreen]Dude, that was cold. Gay guys don't go around feeling people up. It sounds to me like you're afraid that gay people might make you gay. I mean, I work with a gay guy. Personally, I like him (but not like that). He's charming and funny. He can communicate on a level I couldn't dream of with women. Seriously, every guy should know a gay guy. They teach you tons about women because women open up to them, since there's no chance that they'll hook up. At least this is what he told me. But regardless, dude, you are a hateful, sad little man with a heart three sizes too small. Besides, that's totally off-topic.


Stay away from my christmas tree, thief.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[James]

[font=franklin gothic medium]Gay guys are identical to straight guys (again, other than sexual orientation). In the same way that most straight men do not run around grabbing women, most gay men don't run around grabbing other men. That's a really asenine comment to make, lol.

Besides, straight guys who are [i]that[/i] afraid of gay guys are only worried because they themselves question their sexuality - if you were truly comfortable with yourself, you wouldn't be concerned...you'd just knock back an unwelcome advance in the same way that you'd knock it back if it came from a woman.

Anyway, I think that should probably mark the end of this thread for now. Thanks to those who provided an in-depth discussion on the legal and religious implications - I think we all got a pretty good run out of this thread. [/font]