Why is it we cannot have what we want most, and hate what it is we already have?

[Guest SakuraKaiChan]

Life is ironic sometimes...maybe even all the time. We always strive for the things we don't have and when we do achieve the means of getting these personal wants...we no longer find any desire in them as we once did before. Why must love be unfair to those who need it most? Why must love mock us when we hurt so much? Life can be cruel, and yet sometimes life can be wonderful. We live...for what? to accomplish something...or to rise above all? But what is it we accomplish? We spend our whole lives striving...but for what? the meaning of life?

[2010DigitalBoy]

You came to the right place with your question.

Al people have a hole they want to fill, as I'm sure you've heard. They don't know what to fill it with and so when someone tells them what they need to fill it they jump on the opportunity. Hence how advertising controls your soul. There are things we think we want but dont.

What do we want? I have no ****ing clue.

I have come to accept that life is impossible to figure out. So just do whatever the hell you want... that's all you can do. Stop asking questions and just do something. Stop caring so much.

I chose to fall in love... Im happy with that.

[The13thMan]

[FONT=Century Gothic] [COLOR=DarkOrange]I personally believe everybody needs and desires love. It's just that some people don't realize it or deny it. If you find true love, then you'll be content with even the worst of life's situations. Of course loving is dangerous. If you lose your love then it hurts. But it's just a risk you'll have to take.

Try not to stress too much man. You've got plenty of time, i'm assuming, to figure things out.

Later.
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[nomad19]

that's a little too deep to think about. life isn't an endless struggle nor a meaningless search, it's what you make of it, if it's for baseball make it for baseball, if it's for love make it for love...

love on the other hand is something quite different, it is something you work for, if you love someone you show your affection, if you don't have someone you wait...love is something you simply cannot rush. true love is also something you really can't assume to happen, it takes effort ALOT of effort really, and eventually it may hurt but in time everything will pay off...

there's happiness after every sorrow and sorrow after every happiness...

[TheShinje]

[color=crimson] I can't say I'm unhappy with my lot in life. Sure, there may be somethings I'd like to have, but I'm just as happy without them.

In terms of love? Well, I'm single and optimistic right now. I don't absolutely NEED a girlfriend, though I can safely say that I'd like to have one. :p Until such time, I'm not going ot get all cut up about it.[/color]

[TheResplendent]

Humans will never be satisfied with what they have, because the ultimate desire of your typical human is to want more then what they have. But upon obtaining more and more, the goals must change because their previous goal of obtaining those items have now been met, so the goal becomes to obtain something else that they don't have yet. We get a playstation, when PS2 comes out we want that or when we buy a 2004 model car, we want the 2006 model car that's new and supposedly improved. One keeps acquiring and acquiring but satisfaction will never completely be had even past when we die because there will always be something else that isn't in our "collection of stuff". Things go out of date, become archaic, things come out that redefine certain categories and in order to keep up with the times, people get whatever is within their power to get.

Whether it pertains to material objects or feelings or other people, most likely we want most what is most out of our reach because even where temporary satisfaction can be had from those things within our power to have, we receive no satisfaction from lacking. It creates inadequacy and makes us feel like we won't be able to be as good as we could be or be as valued as we could be if we had that item/person/feeling. Our desire becomes stronger when we think about how much "better" we think it will make our life. Of course, if we somehow do receive these things, the same cycle will probably happen, and we will just want something else eventually.

We hate what we already have (or not so much hate, as forsake) because once we've used whatever it is to it's fullest extent, it becomes obsolete and therefore it's value decreased as well as it's importance to us in comparison to things we've yet to experience or have yet to obtain. It's all a matter of how quickly everyone can keep up with one another in the times. It's well known that people rate their own self worth based on what the have to show for themselves, whether be in the form of wealth, materials, or a significant other.

Things only really last when we have emotional attachments to them, or create those kinds of bonds with anything new we acquire. Otherwise it's just an expendable object or person that serves a purpose only within a particular amount of time, which ends when it stops amusing us or satisfying us. The things worth chasing after are the things that will last the longest and will make us feel good simply because it makes us smile and inhabits our mind each setting sun and each waking hour making us greatful for it and leaving our mind in anguish thinking about how life would be if the feeling were to ever be lost. Not the things that make us happy because it gives us a reason to compare our lives with one anothers. A common example of this is to chase after love, or the "right" girl or the "right" guy, but that out of all things rarely ever gets done right the first time around. The same kind of happiness i believe can be found in simpler things as well, such as ones career or family. It's a matter of how everyone prioritizes everything in their life, people need to decide whats going to make them happy long term and whats going to make them happy short term.

[Ezekiel]

[SIZE=1]I can honestly say that these last couple of weeks have been the happiest of the year so far. And it's because of silly little things, like me beating the second Shing Jea Mission in Guild Wars and getting four people who I don't know adding me to their watch list on devART. These things may seem insignificant to other people, but to me they're really wonderful.

What I'm trying to say, I guess, is don't get into the mindset that life's purpose is to discover something big and incredible and until you do find that out life is pointless. Take each day as a small wonder and the small, happy things that happen as gifts. You'll feel better that way. ^_^[/SIZE]

[Hanabishi Recca]

[quote name='SakuraKaiChan']Why must love be unfair to those who need it most? Why must love mock us when we hurt so much? Life can be cruel, and yet sometimes life can be wonderful.[/quote]

The only word that came to my mind is Philio.
Philio Philio Philio - Got it memorized?

Philio is the Selfish type of love. The love that always lets you down. No matter how much you try, you will never win the race with Philio. You will always lose, always get depressed, and when I was living in Philio, I had thoughts of suicide.

There is no way you can win with Philio.
Agapa [Or also spelled - Agape] is a different type of love. A love that will always win.
A love that is never unfair or mocks us. One that is patient and humble.
Yet, it is one that never backs down. That always conquers.
No matter the situation. You will always win.
Philio is the Gods type of love.

I've had someone agree with me on this, yet if you disagree, just exclude my post.
I just had this feeling that I had to post. Since you seem to be in the same situation that I was in when I was little [Now I don't know your age, just still]. I always thought love as some mean demon that people got tricked into. But Philio is that type of love - I later found that out. Agapa is that Gods type of love.

Just thought I would give you some words of wisdom!

Also, mods & admins I'm not trying to convert this man. Just leave this post alone. I just thought I would give some words of wisdom and I'm not going to like it if you delete this post like some of my others. I wasn't trying to be mean in those. But whatever is good with you. Just try to have good judgment.

[Fasteriskhead]

Recca: I think I should clarify you on a few things, although I'll have to do it quickly (this post will be long enough as it is). [i]Philia[/i] is actually a kind of love that we usually understand from Aristotle's treatment of it. Loosely, it refers to a kind of fondness or friendship which act as a basic force binding a society together. In the Christian tradition, this is usually [i]not[/i] what is understood as "selfish love" - that would be [i]eros[/i], a term usually associated with Plato, although the difficulty Christianity has with [i]eros[/i] is slightly different than how you put it (it's not that it "lets us down" so much as it amounts to idolatry). [url=http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm]This article[/url] is a good place to read about this further, and of course the current pope's first encyclical was on this topic as well (you can read it [url=http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html]here[/url]).

On the main topic. Some of the other posts in the thread are hitting very close to the core of the problem (BK's is right on its doorstep), so kudos. I'm afraid that I won't be able to address this without sounding like a broken record, since I've been essentially saying the same thing for months, but here goes: we won't be able to understand wants, satisfaction or dissatisfaction, love or falling out of love, until we understand what must [i]fundamentally[/i] be true for us to understand or experience any of this at all. We currently live in a time where we understand things in terms of their aspects (i.e. scientifically) better than we ever have before, and yet this same time is also when we least understand why things appear to us in a certain way, how they approach us, what they mean, and (the big one) why anything exists at all rather than simply being nothing. It's not only that we have extreme difficulty coming up with an answer to something like "the meaning of life," but that the question itself makes almost no sense. We can still say things like "life is what you make it," of course, but I wonder if we've really grasped what that means. This isn't to say that the issue is completely insurmountable (the fact that it still even SEEMS like a problem to us is a cause for hope), but we're going to have to think very hard about it... harder, in fact, than we've ever thought about anything.

To address wanting etc., I turn to Buddhism... not because I'm trying to convert anyone (actually the whole idea of "conversion" seems foreign here), but because these guys have had more than two millenia to work out the issue. I assume everyone here already knows what the four noble truths are (if not, wikipedia is there) - basically I'm going to address the first two to see if that clarifies anything.

The first noble truth is usually summed up as: "All life is [i]dukkha[/i]." [i]Dukkha[/i] is usually translated as "suffering," which has led to a lot of confusion (so I choose to leave it untranslated for now). I should first note that we completely miss the point if we take any of the noble truths as a "metaphysical" doctrine - the first truth is not saying that living is basically painful and crappy (making Buddhism basically pessimistic), even less is it making a scientific statement about entropy or all things being imperfect and subject to change. The four noble truths are meant to describe [i]us[/i], we who are in [i]dukkha[/i], and do not apply anywhere else (there's a reason they're called "noble truths" rather than "absolutely true for all time truths"). Well then, if all life is [i]dukkha[/i], what does [i]dukkha[/i] mean? Better translations might be exertion, imperfection, unsatisfaction, or unhappiness, although all of these are easy to misunderstand. Because, now we might report all the enjoyable and meaningful things that have happened in our lives and think that we've "refuted" Buddhism... when nothing could be less true. [i]Dukkha[/i] doesn't mean always being in a certain "mood" of unsatisfaction - [i]dukkha[/i] is what determines how any of our other moods work at all. Usually we don't notice it because we're too busy going through the motions and "enjoying life," but under extraordinary conditions we can catch a glimpse.

For the Buddha himself this glimpse happened in seeing sickness, old age, and death, so let's follow his lead. What might we experience when someone we love dies? Not just "sadness," we're too far gone to feel sad. We might call it "shock," although this also feels shallow. We say that we "don't even know how to react," that we "don't understand what we're feeling" - this comes closer. We feel a horrifying [i]anxiety[/i], an awful kind of gnawing empty loneliness. It feels like our world is slipping away from us, and that when we try to grab ahold of anything it slips away from our grasp. THIS is [i]dukkha[/i], which I now translate as "the terrible emptiness of not being able to get ahold of things."

For Buddhism, most of one's life is spent trying to find ways of avoiding this empty anxiety which sits at the core, and that is part of the problem. But immediately after we've grasped what's going on, we are told the second noble truth: "The cause of [i]dukkha[/i] is craving." This is just as easy to misunderstand. It does NOT mean that we're supposed to cut off every want we ever have, to completely numb ourselves to everything. In fact, for some sects of Buddhism (Vajrayana) desire is extremely important, although it must be properly directed. Nothing is wrong with us if we feel a certain attraction to the world and an occasional arousal by things in it... but we must appropriate these things in a way which does NOT lead us back into [i]dukkha[/i]. So, when we say that [i]dukkha[/i]'s cause is craving, what do we mean by craving? Craving is the basic way that we currently understand the world and the things in it. Simply put: it's to hold onto things as they slip away, often without even [i]noticing[/i] that they're slipping away. By "things" I don't just mean particular objects, I also mean people, things we love, that love [i]itself[/i], our own lives, and even possibilities which haven't been actualized (everyone reading this has felt the loss of a "missed opportunity"). Craving is a hopeless and empty holding-onto which does not understand that things slipping away, far from being some kind of "flaw" on the world's part, is [i]essential[/i] to what things basically are, i.e. what makes them meaningful in the first place. Understanding this is the removal and transformation of [i]dukkha[/i], which amounts to a fundamental change in human nature.

If anyone has read this far (anyone? at all?), I would stress that that last move is not something that happens easily. Understanding of this kind doesn't happen if we just take it in "intellectually," which is easy for everyone. Lots of people currently claim to want to "let go" and be free of their desires, which for the most part is empty talk. Buddhism puts particular emphasis on saying that that it's never what you "know," but the long period of discipline that [i]realizes[/i] what is known, that matters. Too many of the folks who claim to want to "let go," or even to have done so already, haven't even given thought to how they might do this. Thinking you can just do away with [i]dukkha[/i] is the surest sign that it's going to swallow you whole.

[SunfallE]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][quote name='SakuraKaiChan]Why must love be unfair to those who need it most? Why must love mock us when we hurt so much? Life can be cruel, and yet sometimes life can be wonderful. We live...for what? to accomplish something...or to rise above all? But what is it we accomplish? We spend our whole lives striving...but for what? the meaning of life?[/QUOTE] Because in the end love is a want and not a need. To say that one needs love is to say that some force outside ourselves is required for us to live. And though on some level that's true, the reality is that unlike oxygen, which is a need as only a few minutes without would mean death, love ultimately is something people want. Circumstances in life can seem cruel, but many of them are no more than what you make of it. Striving for something comes down to wanting something besides acquiring the things necessary for literal life such as water, food, shelter, etc. For each person that?s going to depend on what they want. Having a set meaning to life is to me not necessary to enjoy my life. Now perhaps you could take the time to answer your own questions?[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca']Also, mods & admins I'm not trying to convert this man. Just leave this post alone. I just thought I would give some words of wisdom and I'm not going to like it if you delete this post like some of my others. I wasn't trying to be mean in those. But whatever is good with you. Just try to have good judgment.[/quote]Hanabishi Recca, that?s really not necessary as no one has a problem with you expressing what you think. So lets leave this type of stuff out okay? Anyway, perhaps you could explain the differences between Philio and Agapa? I for one am not quite sure what you are trying to say. In one sentence you say Philio is the selfish type of love and then in another you say Philio is the gods type of love, so it doesn?t make much sense. Unless you are saying that god?s love is selfish. Though that still makes no sense to me. [/COLOR]

[Fyxe]

[size=1][color=slategray]A large problem with the whole, "Why do we no longer want something we've always desired after we obtain it?" thing is actually quite simple. When you think you need or want something, you tend to stress the point in your brain. You continuously think about it, and you form an ideal image of this "thing", whatever it may be. You pretty much romanticize the idea of what it'll feel like when you finally reach your goal in getting this "thing."

Yet, when you finally obtain it, you realize it's not all it was cracked up to be in your mind.
For example, at one point in time I [I]really[/I] liked the thought of having a boyfriend (yes, I know... common desire :P). I was interested in this guy for a long time, and we finally went out. I had thought about that for so long and into such extent, that once it happened, I was completely let down by the outcome. It had been nothing like I had imagined. And that sort of turned me off of wanting to go into a relationship. But, I'm perfectly fine with that now, since I'd rather concentrate on things less trivial.

Also. If you really think about it, everything you do in life won't lead up to anything. Everyone is basically a pointless existance. But that doesn't mean you can't work hard toward your goals and enjoy life. I [I]know[/I] that everything I do won't mean a single thing in four hundred years, because no one will know who I was or my achievements. But I don't let that get to me. I want to enjoy my time while I have it.[/color][/size]

[Lady Knight]

I was reading Ezekiel post and this quote came to my mind which a friend once told me "The moment only lasts a second but the memory lasts a lifetime." The person who said it is unknown but I think it kind of fits in to this post.

Every person on this earth desires something, something that is out of reach that they can't grasp. Sometimes people forget the rest of their life and the only road they see in life is for them to accomplish this one need, to finally posess it. Those people ignore the little things in life that make life...life. They are so blind to whats going on around them. Some people(which I think this posts is starting to revolve around) strive for love. They want it, they need it, they crave for it. Since they are so wrapped up in finding 'the one' they let things pass them by that shouldn't be passed by.

Some of my fondest memories floating around in my mind are small insignifigant things that other people would wonder why I still remember that moment. But I do because its something that I couldn't forget...it was small but it stuck with me. It wasn't something big like fiding the love of my life but still it I guessed you can say it changed the way I look at things.

To sum things up just let life take you where it takes you. I hope this post made sense because my thoughts can get quite jumbled at times.

[visualkei]

I've got to agree with just about everything [B]BKstyles[/B] has said.

Sometimes when we desire something so much, we delude ourselves. [B]Blase[/B] made a point about when we get what we want, we discover it's not all what it's cracked up to be. Haha, so true.

Anyways, all this suffering comes from desire. If people would just be content, then they'd be happy. Now I'm not saying desire is bad and be content with the minimum like living in a cardboard box or something, I'm just saying that people keep wanting more and more things, bigger and "better" things, and forget the things that truly matter in life. And really destinguish between what you want and what you need.

[Retribution]

[quote name='visualkei']Anyways, all this suffering comes from desire. If people would just be content, then they'd be happy. Now I'm not saying desire is bad and be content with the minimum like living in a cardboard box or something, I'm just saying that people keep wanting more and more things, bigger and "better" things, and forget the things that truly matter in life. And really destinguish between what you want and what you need.[/quote]
[size=1]You see, it's very hard to stop desiring and start being content all of the sudden. It's like asking a smoker "Just quit if you're so addicted." The 'just quit' part is much easier said than done. It's a long, painful, unpleasant process, and if we can avoid all that we will.

I'm going to come clean and admit that I want quite a few things that aren't necessary. I want a new laptop. I want an iPod. I want my computer fixed so I can use Photoshop and iTunes again. I don't [i]need[/i] any of these things. I want them. I feel as if I would feel happier with them in my life. This is a year after my other mp3 player broke and several months after my computer died on me.

I wouldn't consider myself one who craves for the biggest and best, nor would I consider myself one who confuses 'need' and 'want.' However, I believe that these items would allow for me to further enjoy life. I walk alot, and an iPod would enhance that. I use the computer alot (namely Photoshop) and not having it is like taking a cigarette from a smoker.[/size]

[Hanabishi Recca]

[quote name='SunfallE][COLOR=RoyalBlue'] Hanabishi Recca, that?s really not necessary as no one has a problem with you expressing what you think. So lets leave this type of stuff out okay? Anyway, perhaps you could explain the differences between Philio and Agapa? I for one am not quite sure what you are trying to say. In one sentence you say Philio is the selfish type of love and then in another you say Philio is the gods type of love, so it doesn?t make much sense. Unless you are saying that god?s love is selfish. Though that still makes no sense to me. [/COLOR][/quote]

Alright, I'll keep that out.

And about that, I probably messed up in my earlyer post.

Agapa or Agape = God's love. The - No matter what happends I love you - Love. The - I love everyone love.

Philio = Human emotional love. The selfish love. The love that never gives any love besides physical love. The love that almost everyone lives by.

Sorry about my mess up in my earlyer post. I just messed up.

[B][SIZE=2]IF YOU READ MY OTHER POST... READ THIS ONE ALSO. I GUESS I MESSED UP IN IT. SORRY FOR MY MISTAKE![/b][/size]

Thanks for your time,

Love you - David

[Sara]

[quote name='BKstyles']Humans will never be satisfied with what they have, because the ultimate desire of your typical human is to want more then what they have. [/quote][color=#b0000b][size=1]I think that's silly. I'm often content with my life, or (on a more mundane level) the things I have. Announcing that "to always have more, better, newer stuff" is the Ultimate Desire of an entire species is a bit of a stretch. =] (Of course, I realise that many, many other people are making generalisations in this thread as well, and that the thread title lends itself to this sort of thing. I don't mean to pick on you in particular.)

There's a lot of joy to be had in life. If you can't find it, you may be looking in the wrong places.[/color][/size]

[TheResplendent]

I'm not saying it's our ultimate goal, like what we live for. I mean it's our addiction, to the masses it's a form of recognition. Maybe not as strong within some people, but it's been proven time and time again that people often believe their worth is measured in belongings. There are plenty of people out there who don't feel this way, and like you are content with what they have. But your in the minority. It's not to say however that somewhere down the line you won't be struck with the need to get your hands on this and that.

[visualkei]

I know what you're trying to say, [B]Retribution[/B], and I don't disagree. Nor am I saying to quit desiring or be absolutely content or if those things are easy. What I was saying was relating more to the title of the thread: [I]Why is it we cannot have what we want most, and hate what it is we already have?[/I]

Like the examples you've given me, you don't seem to hate what you already have-- yeah you'd like to have a better laptop and etc, but you know you don't need one, you just know life would be easier if you had those things, though. Yeah. And I think that when I was replying to the post, I was thinking of the extremes of desire that cause people to be obsessed.

And I just don't think it's fair to compare a physical addiction such as smoking to your computer. Your use of Photoshop is, I assume, an art, a form of expression, and because of this, I think it can be loosely be classified as a need. I mean, not as a need all the way up in the Hierarchy of Needs, but something that gives you something important, [I]Esteem[/I]. I also like to make art, drawings, paintings, and I mess around with Photoshop, too, and if that's taken away from me, I'd feel incomplete.

[Fasteriskhead]

So in response to Hanabishi Recca I wrote:

[quote name='Fasteriskhead][SIZE=1]Recca: I think I should clarify you on a few things, although I'll have to do it quickly (this post will be long enough as it is). [i]Philia[/i] is actually a kind of love that we usually understand from Aristotle's treatment of it. Loosely, it refers to a kind of fondness or friendship which act as a basic force binding a society together. In the Christian tradition, this is usually [i]not[/i] what is understood as "selfish love" - that would be [i]eros[/i], a term usually associated with Plato, although the difficulty Christianity has with [i]eros[/i] is slightly different than how you put it (it's not that it "lets us down" so much as it amounts to idolatry). [url=http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm]This article[/url] is a good place to read about this further, and of course the current pope's first encyclical was on this topic as well (you can read it [url=http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html]here[/url']).[/SIZE][/quote]After this came:

[quote name='SunfallE][COLOR=RoyalBlue][SIZE=1]Anyway, perhaps you could explain the differences between Philio and Agapa? I for one am not quite sure what you are trying to say.[/COLOR'][/SIZE][/quote]And then:

[QUOTE=Hanabishi Recca][size=1]Agapa or Agape = God's love. The - No matter what happends I love you - Love. The - I love everyone love.

Philio = Human emotional love. The selfish love. The love that never gives any love besides physical love. The love that almost everyone lives by.

Sorry about my mess up in my earlyer post. I just messed up.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]Am I in an echo chamber? Am I an internet ghost? I thought people only had ignore buttons in chat rooms, not message boards. Now, I wasn't really expecting anyone to read the whole post - it's a bit difficult and takes awhile - but the response to the agape/"philio" thing was in my first paragraph. I [i]do not understand[/i], unless people now see Kimura up there and immediately know to just skip the whole thing.

On the other hand, if you only happened to [i]miss[/i] my response the first time around: there it is!! Unfortunately I haven't been able to dig up any better introductory discussions on the [i]eros/philia/agape[/i] thing since last time, and I looked around quite a bit. I worry that the article I linked above ([url=http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm]here it is again[/url]) is somewhat difficult and technical, but if you're just trying to get the gist of the differences it'll probably do. Give it a shot.

[SunfallE]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][QUOTE=Fasteriskhead]Am I in an echo chamber? Am I an internet ghost? I thought people only had ignore buttons in chat rooms, not message boards. Now, I wasn't really expecting anyone to read the whole post - it's a bit difficult and takes awhile - but the response to the agape/"philio" thing was in my first paragraph. I [i]do not understand[/i], unless people now see Kimura up there and immediately know to just skip the whole thing.

On the other hand, if you only happened to [i]miss[/i] my response the first time around: there it is!! Unfortunately I haven't been able to dig up any better introductory discussions on the [i]eros/philia/agape[/i] thing since last time, and I looked around quite a bit. I worry that the article I linked above ([url=http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm]here it is again[/url]) is somewhat difficult and technical, but if you're just trying to get the gist of the differences it'll probably do. Give it a shot.[/QUOTE]I read your response, but I was more interested in finding out what Hanabishi Recca thought it meant. Since she might have had a different idea than what you had explained as to what it actually meant. And that untimately shapes her response as it's based on what she believes they mean. ^_^

I always read your posts Fasteriskhead, even if sometimes I get the end and still don't completely understand what you are getting at. :p [/COLOR]

[Fasteriskhead]

Well, now I feel guilty as hell. :animedepr

[Farto the Magic]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=DarkGreen]I try to read yours too Fasterisk, but (and no offense meant) they can be very long. And confusing.

But I digress. I think the answer to this question is: the grass is always greener on the other side.

Like what the other guy has, not yours simply because its not yours yet. And you dislike your stuff to belittle it, thus making the other stuff seem absolutely amazing in comparison. Life's funny like that, huh?[/COLOR][/FONT]

[Guest BoxedCrayon]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=Purple]I think that is Ironic.
I see myself sometimes not needing something but I have it, And the things I do need are hard to get.

I guess life is just weird that way. o_O[/COLOR][/SIZE]