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[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]I was really surprised there's no Weiss thread (yes, I did check. ^_~). I guess this is it, then?

Yeah, so say anything Weiss (or Schwarz. ...Or Schreient if you prefer large doses of "MASAFUMI!!!") in here.

Let's start with: Favorite kitten and why.

Me? Omi. To me, at very first sight, he was the most attractive one. Of course, even though I may or may not pick by most attractive, it's always their personalities that bring me into them.

I like Omi because he's cheerful all the time, despite what happens to him or what he does. I've looked at his character, and to me, it doesn't look like a mask. He's very young and very strong emotionally. I think that he internalizes all the **** that happens to him, gripes and cries about it when he's alone, thinks and analyzes it, gets all his emotions out, and then just goes on. Well, that's my theory anyway.

Everyone on that team's past is so tragic, but Omi's is close to being the most tragic. [spoiler]How would you feel if your supposed father didn't pay the ransom for you? And then to be picked up by Kritiker and trained to be a killer. They say that Reiji was psycho and he was, but I think Shuuichi is just as sick. To take a kid - Omi couldn't have been older than 7 or 8, and train him to kill?[/spoiler] Everyone says that Rozenkreuz is a horrible place, but think about it: How much better is Kritiker?

Ken comes in a close second, and that's mostly because of his soccer thing. I love soccer, he's a soccer player. I also like Ken because he's so down to earth. Once I heard him described as "the guy next door that you could take home to your mother." He's awesome like that.

And, I'm just kinda sad that he never got to play soccer again. I would have liked to see him get up after Weiß and go back to soccer. Of course, that isn't really possible (heh). I know he [spoiler]went to jail, but not how he got there[/spoiler] (and I'd rather not). Though I imagine that pretty much screwed things up for him.


However, I had an actual reason for creating this thread. I wanted to know about Schuldig. I've only seen the anime and nothing else. Not the mangas (gyah, not sure I want to even touch SideB), not the OVAs, not the Drama CDs, and not Glühen... yet. I know not a lot, but the one thing I wanted to know is: "Is Schuldig an orphan who grew up on the streets?" I saw nothing in the anime about his past at all. The only two we really catch a glimpse of is Farfarello and Nagi. However, in a lot of fanfiction, I see him written as an orphan. Is he? I've got this notion in my head that he was born to German aristocracy (if that's possible). Do we really know anything about him, or are we free to make stuff up? I really would like to know, because that notion is bothering my head and it won't go away. :/


The things that annoy me: [list]
[*]Because half the information I get about these guys comes from fanfiction, it's awfully annoying as hell when fannon is thrown around like cannon. [url=http://www.thenoodlebowl.com/schuldig/fandom.html#fannon]This[/url] was a nice starters guide to tell me what was real and what wasn't. Mergh. :/
[*]Spelling. It's Schwarz. I don't care about German pronuncation. German SPELLING says that it's Schwarz. There's no 'T' in there, damn it!
Esset also bothers me because I don't actually know WHAT the spelling is. I usually accept Esset, Estet, Eszet, SS, or SZ.I've seen Este, which to me gives an entirely differen pronunciation. And someone spelled in Aste once and it took me forever to figure out what they were talking about.
Glühen also bothers me (though I think it's the creators' faults for choosing a word with an Umlaut in it). Since I found out a little bit of German from my father, it bothers me when people write it as "Gluhen." If you don't know the alt number for the ü (0252, btw), PLEASE USE "E". Traditionally when you don't use the umlaut, you follow the vowel with an "e" to denote the "e" sound in the word. It's either Glühen or Gluehen. Please try not to use Gluhen.
Schuldig bothers me, in part because I'm not familiar with German enough to know the pronunciation of that "g." As far as I knew it was a regular g, but people seem to write it "Schuldich" at times and it baffles me. Schuldig is the actual word in the dictionary, and I would advocate that usage.[/list]
I'm not asking any Weiß fans to be perfect with spelling, far from it. I hardly know German myself, and I don't expect anyone else to just instantly know it. What I would advocate is education. Correct people when they are wrong. Spread knowledge of the right spelling!

Gyah. And so ends my german spelling rant. (the alt code for ß, by the way, is 0223).

Please comment on any aspect of Weiss if you haven't already turned away from my spelling rant! I'll appreciate it if you do![/color]

[eleanor]

[color=dimgray] Mm, Weiss. I barely remember anything from the anime series, which was the only part of the Weiss fandom I partook in.

I first watched it, though, because of my fangirlish self after seeing Aya. He was pretty. :3 Also I think I'm like 1 out 100 girls in saying that I do not find Yohji attractive in any ink-drawn person possibility. >_>

I didn't actually watch the whole series, though. It wasn't exactly the greatest anime I saw... I felt it was more fanon powered than anything, and I never got into it. The drawing of the actual anime bothered me while I was watching it, and I started to skip through a lot of stuff, which is always a bad sign. I always thought the premise of the anime was cool, but the result could have been much better. [/color]

[Flo]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]I've only read about this series and have yet to find any DVDs. No place has them! Though if your looking for a site with good, true information try [URL=http://www.lelola.net/wk/index.shtml][SIZE=1]Lelola[/SIZE][/URL]. Now to my favorite, assassin.

Ken Hidaka takes that spot. My reasons are simple, he's not as messed up as the others and is one of the nicest. I love his outfit and weapon, its different and pretty kick arse. His reasons for killing are verey remarkable and caring. I love that he fights not to avenge someone, but to make sure that no one else has to go through the same things that happened to him.

Very honorable. Not to say that the others don't have honor.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]I think you have a good point Lunox - WK (for Americans at least) is a very fan driven community. I think in a way, though, it kinda makes sense. To me, it feels like Takehito Koyasu & co. made this entire Weiss world, in a way. There's the anime, the manga, the OAV(s), Gluehen, the drama CDs, the manga again (side b). Just... everything Weiss. In a way, I feel as though the [i]concept[/i] Side B *is* a fanfiction or something. You know - take Aya and Ken and throw them in a story. Hehe.

So er, yeah. You're right. It's fan driven, but to me, that's where it came from - people who act fan-ish. I like that, so it's not a big deal to me.

Also, I really like the fan(fiction) community. It's smaller than I thought it would be, but everyone is nice. Even the people who write amazingly well and have frighteningly large thought processes on WK are not stuck up. It's nice to find something like that.


Tempest - you couldn't find the DVDs? Really? My friend just bought them (the original series and Gluehen) at AnimeNext. You can order them online anywhere, I'm sure. The DVDs are great - my friends and I still crack up about the outtakes on there. Or if you're cheap and/or lazy, you can always snag them off of youtube like I did (it's fansubbing).


So we've done favorite Kitten. What about favorite member of Schwarz? Post it! ^^

For me, it's Omi's "counterpart," Nagi. They're close in age, and they're both the computer geniuses on their teams. Nagi's so young compared to the rest of his team, and he's forced to act more mature. He's such a lonely boy with a vendetta against society. In truth, he's just a young teen struggling to find himself - only he's an assassin in the meantime. My biggest wish for Nagi is to be able to grow and develop mentally and emotionally.

Schwarz is not my favorite - I honestly prefer Weiss a whole lot more. However, Nagi's about the only one I can truly like, on that team. I love his psi power (telekinesis), and I get the feeling that he's incredibly strong - stronger than any other telekinetic. *cites last ep* >_>[/color]

[eleanor]

[QUOTE=MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff]

Also, I really like the fan(fiction) community. It's smaller than I thought it would be, but everyone is nice. Even the people who write amazingly well and have frighteningly large thought processes on WK are not stuck up. It's nice to find something like that.[/color][/QUOTE]

[color=dimgray] :rolleyes: I definately know what you're talking about. Do you think it's because it's a smaller fandom? The bigger a fandom gets, the snarkier it becomes. >_> Make a trivial offense and you can start an incredibly baseless argument.

I *hate* it when people make LJ communities called "Elite [insert fandom name or etc.]" and you have to apply and 'prove' your intelligence. God, you know a fandom has died a little inside when something like that happens.[/color]

[Redemption]

[quote name='MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff']Let's start with: Favorite kitten and why.[/color][/quote]

[size=1]I would have to say Aya/Ran/Abyssian. I can't really explain why I like him the best, but I've only ever seen Weiss Kreuz Gluhen. I didn't know there was a previous series until I started to look for pictures of Aya. So I ended up watching the ending of the story before the start of it.

Anyhow, I think I like Aya because of a paticular 'puddle' moment in the Gluhen series. [spoiler]It is when they are all gathered together again and are going towards that church for the final battle. It is accompanied by a really good song in which it shows each of the characters (including the new kid in the series) and when it comes to Aya (who has really really long hair in this series), he looks at himself in the mirror and cut his hair off.[/spoiler]

I think that was what defined him in that series, at that moment.

FYI - A 'puddle' moment is for girls. When they see a hot guy, and he talks to them, they usually feel a sort of melting feel. Sometimes girls say 'I melted when he said ...'. Well a 'puddle' moment is a more intense feeling of that. I tend to get it when one of my bishies does something absolutely adorable or cool.[/size]

[GTK]

[QUOTE=Tempest]
Ken Hidaka takes that spot. My reasons are simple, he's not as messed up as the others and is one of the nicest. I love his outfit and weapon, its different and pretty kick arse. His reasons for killing are verey remarkable and caring. I love that he fights not to avenge someone, but to make sure that no one else has to go through the same things that happened to him.
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Kenken is my fave also XD But I wouldn't say he's not as messed up as the others ^^; they are all pretty crazy *laughs* In the ova, I think Ken comes off as the one with the most issues ^^; but it's been a while since I've seen it though (wow, i'm really surprised I remember anything about Weiss XD;;;; it's been a while~)


I totally heart Schwarz though ^_^ Farefello (wow, it's been so long I'm not sure I'm spelling his name right O_O;;;; ) and Schuldich are the ones I like best though ^^ mostly because they're crazy *laughs*

[Guest tripperMM]

[COLOR=Olive][SIZE=2][FONT=Comic Sans MS]i have different episode lists, which one is right?

WEISS KREUZ
EPISODE GUIDE
from LELOLA: [url]http://www.lelola.net/wk/episodes.shtml[/url]
Mission 1 ? Feast of Bait
Mission 2 ? A Cool Stampede
Mission 3 ? Paradise is Hell
Mission 4 ? Execution of the Betrayed
Mission 5 ? The Fate of the Hunter
Mission 6 ? A Girl?s Likeness
Mission 7 ? Returning Memory
Mission 8 ? The Night of Wailing
Mission 9 ? Everyone?s Own Memories
Mission 10 ? The Dizzying Ties
Mission 11 ? Separating from the Spell
Mission 12 ? Why...?
Mission 13 ? The Rain of Revenge
Mission 14 ? The Capital under Martial Law
Mission 15 ? Avenging Hunters
Mission 16 ? Return to Battle
Mission 17 ? Nameless Honor
Mission 18 ? Farfarello
Mission 19 ? Prelude to Madness
Mission 20 ? The Arrow of Judgment
Mission 21 ? Inside my Memories
Mission 22 ? When Colors Fade
Mission 23 ? Everything for Love
Mission 24 ? Those of the Light

from tv.com: [url]http://www.tv.com/weiss-kreuz/show/20983/episode_listings.html?season=0&tag=nav_bar;all[/url]
1 Lockvogel: Sacred Banquet
2 Fort Laufen: The Awakened Runaway
3 Paradis: Heaven Is Hell
4 Verrat: Execution of Betrayal
5 Schicksal: Fate of the Hunter
6 Fräulein: The Image of a Girl
7 Entführen: The Memories Return
8 Raubiter: Howls in the Night
9 Schreiend: Hopes
10 Bruder: Bond of Darkness
11 Abkunft: Breaking the Spell
12 Abschied: Why?
13 Bruch: Rain of Revenge
14 Fliehen: Martial Law
15 Duell: Hunters of Revenge
16 Schatten: A Return to Battle
17 Kritiker: Pride With No Name
18 Schuld: Farfarello
19 Sehen: Prelude to Insanity
20 Recht: Arrow to Justice
21 Träne: In the Memory
22 Mitleid: Final Reconciliation
23 Schraube: Everything for Love
24 Zeremonie: The portrait which passes each other
25 Ende Des Weiss: To The Knights...
Weiss Kreuz Glühen
1 Weisse Flammen: White Flames
2 Glaube: God will hurt those he loves
3 Süsses nichts: Sweet Nothing
4 Rhodesia
5 Es ist zu spät: It's Too Late
6 Keinen Grund: No Reason
7 Jeepstar
8 Momentanes Schicksal: Instant Karma
9 Brennede Kerze: Mellow Candle
10 Zarter Untergrund: Velvet Underworld
11 Dem Himmel so nah: Piece of Heaven
12 Epitaph
13 Wann kommt der Morgen?: Tomorrow
2000 Verbrechen - Crime
2001 Strafe - penalty
i have the verbrechen/strafe dvd but have trouble getting the 1st series. the 24 episode one is buggin me cuz sometimes it's 24 and sometimes it's 25...[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR=SeaGreen]All of your lists are probably correct. Knight Hunters aka Weiss Kruez has been translated into both English and German. Every time a show gets translated the country or rather the language it is translated into is a bit different. And often they change the title to reflect the language it is translated into. There?s also probably a third list which is English, but instead of the names used on the English disk, they are probably a translation of what the original Japanese titles of the episodes are.

As for the show itself. I?ve only seen a few episodes and I did enjoy how they work as a team to deliver justice on criminals that would normally be outside the reach of the law. I really liked Aya so I kind of want to see more of this show. But until I?m a little less broke or our cable has it in the on demand section. I?m out of luck. [/COLOR]

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]tripperMM - I've never seen the first list, but I wouldn't be willing to rule it out. The one I've seen the most is the second one, with the German titles. The ep. titles are really just in German, those translations were provided by a fan.

Aaryanna - All the Weiß titles are in German, so there couldn't be a translation from Japanese to German. It would have to be from German to Japanese.

And the thing about 24/25 episodes: I'm not quite sure what it is. In my opinion, I think it's 25, but people tend to combine the last TWO episodes and call them, collectively, "Ende Des Weiss" (which is the name of the very last episode).

And I'm posting because I want to know: how the HELL did you get the Verbrechen/Strafe DVD?!?!?! It's SOOO frickin' hard to find/buy! I'm gonna guess that you got from a fansub site, because I know it's not translated into English (dubbed or subbed). Man, I had to watch Verbrechen/Strafe on youtube for cryin' out loud. ;_;

OUt of all the wacky outfits these guys wear, the Verbrechen/Strafe outfits are the absolute *worst.* I dispise them, and I think they're incredibly bizarre.

Of course, I won't argue that the animation quality is supreme. Completely fabulous. I actually don't like Schwarz as much as I like Weiß, but I think the one scene with them [spoiler]Crawford and Schuldig, at the end of Strafe where they make that crypitic speech? yeah.[/spoiler] is absolutely fabulous. We don't really see them as much in the first anime, and then in Gluehen they look like they were dressed for, as this one fansite described them (man, I really gotta find that site again), "gay Nazi/Victorian porn," which I kinda have to agree with. (Even if Schu is sex on legs in it. ;_; )

Um... where was I going with this? Oh, right! I love the animation in Verbrechen/Strafe, especially Schwarz. That has to be the best animation of them, ever. (especially in the cooler, older style, before everyone was remodeled for Gluehen.)[/color]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR=DarkOrchid][quote name='MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff']Aaryanna - All the Weiß titles are in German, so there couldn't be a translation from Japanese to German. It would have to be from German to Japanese.[/color][/quote]You missed the point of my post. Which was that because of a show being translated into different languages, you end up with different title names. Regardless of which language it may have started in. ^_~ [/COLOR]

[Roxie Faye]

[quote name='Aaryanna][COLOR=DarkOrchid']You missed the point of my post. Which was that because of a show being translated into different languages, you end up with different title names. Regardless of which language it may have started in. ^_~ [/COLOR][/quote][color=#9933ff]=) True, true. I don't think I missed the point though; I realize that when you translate, you're going to get a lot of different versions. I just wanted to also point out that WK doesn't have [bJapanese[/b] titles, per se. There's a lot of (or just too much) German in this show.

I apologize if I sounded snarky. I went back and read what I said and it was like, "ouch," but I definitely didn't mean it that way. >_>


Prime example of Japanese people screwing up with German: Schuldig! I can'ttell you how many misspellings there are of his name! ;_; I've even seen SEVERAL of these misspellings on official merchandise, and it's incredibly confusing. He's been Schuldig, Schuldich, Schurudich, Schuludich... and I'm not even going to go into the way they pronounce it. The Japanese are just laughable with a lot of foreign words, and Schuldig is definitely not an exception.

If you're interested in the series you could always do the (illegal) thing and watch them on youtube. I'll warn you, though, it's not so great. Truth told, WK, the first series, really isn't the best of animes. There just a lot of underdeveloped characters. The OVAs, verbrech und strafe are a little bit better, but uh... not by much. There just isn't room for character development, so..

Now Gluehen - I will never understand why people hate it so much, but i love it. It does so much with the characters, and *finally* starts to wrap up some of the loose ends in their development. ^_^

Even though the characters are really underdeveloped, I like that aspect aboutthem, because it means you can suppose, and create your own backstory, reasons, and reactions for the characters in the fanfiction world. WK is one of the best animes to write fanfiction for because there's a lot of loose ends that you can work with. So whatever the downfall/downside of WK the series is, is made up for by all the kick-*** fanfiction the community has. (If you ever want any of it, I've got a list of recommendations - provided you don't mind yaoi. Just ask.)

Oi! I should be writing an essay. Ttyl. [/color]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR=DarkOrchid][QUOTE=MistressRoxie][color=#9933ff]=) True, true. I don't think I missed the point though; I realize that when you translate, you're going to get a lot of different versions. I just wanted to also point out that WK doesn't have [b]Japanese[/b] titles, per se. There's a lot of (or just too much) German in this show.

I apologize if I sounded snarky. I went back and read what I said and it was like, "ouch," but I definitely didn't mean it that way. >_>[/color][/QUOTE]I didn't take it that way, so no worries. ^_~ When you posted I realized that even if I didn't know it was in German first the main point was that the constant translations ends up with multiple titles.

And speaking of the show in general, I've gotten to see a couple more episodes and I've really been enjoying it. Even with all the sadness surrounding the characters due to their pasts, it's still fun to see them out wit the bad guys and clobber them just the same. And even more exciting, I just found out that one of my best friends, namely Mariskah, has the series on DVD and so she's going to loan it to me so I can finally see the rest! :catgirl:[/COLOR]