Let's talk about sex (Mature please)

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='random-fox']xD funny topic. sex ed in my school started wayyy to late to be useful (at 16 -_-) i learnt most of the process from crappy romance novels (you'd be surprised how infomative they can be) n prevention n std stuff from my biology textbook ha! besides, sex ed is crap. they just tell you to do abstinance. -_-[/quote]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]Keh abstinance. Yeah that works wonders.

Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking abstinance. It's a nice idea and everything, but coming from experiance when you're in a moment of passion sometimes your brain isn't doing the thinking.

Heh when I started seeing my ex husband my mom took me to Planned Parenthood and I went on Birth Control, that was about the extent of my full sex education barring scaring childhood memories. Well that and conversations with odd co workers.[/color][/font]

[Veritas]

[QUOTE=SunfallE][color=royalblue]I didn?t learn about it from school as sex education is pretty much nonexistent here in Utah. The idiots even willingly turned down millions in federal aid for the schools just because they refused to have sex education classes.

Many of the more reserved states like Utah have voted to not have sex education in their schools whatsoever. And the ones who do use very lame comparisons like others have mentioned in this thread. And those classes cause more confusion than anything else. So sad as it might sound, many kids pick up more from porn than they ever did from school. [/color][/QUOTE][size=1][color=dimgray]All I have to say is WORD. That is Utah to a T. [/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]Remember,[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]See No Evil,[/color][/size]
[size=1][color=dimgray]Speak No Evil,[/color][/size]
[size=1][color=dimgray]Hear No Evil.[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]And for some reason sex has unseemingly been branded evil. If it's true then I guess I'm just a Bad Man :animeshy: .[/color][/size]

[Bio]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS]My school has a... [I]decent[/I] sex ed course. So I did learn a few things from it.

But the internet [I]is[/I] actually a pretty good place to find answers to questions most people would be terrified to ask another human being. Assuming the information is legit.

And assuming it's not porn.[/FONT]

[PersonV01]

And I quote from good old play called "Avenue Q": the internet is for porn. :animeswea

In the most honest sense, you learn more about sex and the process/culture (yes, there is culture to it) from porn as opposed to anything else in this world. I know i did. I think i was about... wat, around 5th or 6th grade when i learned about sex. before then, everyone condoned it as this evil evil evil thing i was never suppose to learn until i was married at the age of 60.... like that happened. My views on sex could be very thought as... liberal? yes, liberal. as people have said already, sex complicates things. it either makes or breaks relationships and if you're not ready for it, [B]DO NOT DO IT! [/B] I cant stress that enough. As for abstinence(spelled that wrong), do it if you're not ready. But hey, when you really feel that you're ready for it, go ahead. Sex can be a very beautiful thing.... if you are mature enough to understand it. But thats my take.
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[size=1][color=Indigo]I learned the basics of sex off the internet. My school is too timid to touch the subect and I was, well, curious.

I haven't had sex yet because I'm too young to take that leap with someone. I do however, enjoy the practise, if you know what I mean.[/color][/size]

[Veritas]

[size=1][color=darkred]You most definately have to wait til your ready for it, I think that some girls that have sex to young let it become them, though there also is the possibility of it scarring them too. I am refering more to girls because guys tend to shake stuff like that off, sometimes it seems like more of an accomplishment for them i.e. instead of I lost my virginity, I kicked my virginity's a**. [/color][/size]

[size=1][color=darkred]Ya I'll shut up now, but abstinence is cool and all but like Chibihorsewoman said, it's not that easy. I used to say I was gonna hold out until I got married like a good little boy, then as my life progressed, certain things changed in my like and I said I'd just wait till I was like 20. Well 20 dropped to 18, and as I got in more situations that I had the opportunity it became I fight to try and make it to 17. Finally I just gave in, anyways what I'm trying to say is another reason why it's hard to stick to abstinence is you change as a person, especially during your teenage years. I've done things today like try smoking, that I said I would never due. I'm not the same person I was when I said I was going to wait until marriage, whether it be from loss of innocence, my choices or the events of my life. [/color][/size]

[size=1][color=darkred]Anyways thats just my oppinion why abstinence is hard, besides getting caught up in the moment. I didn't help me for some reason people at my school thought I wasn't a virgin since like 7th grade. I guess being half black means viginity is automatically forefeit at birth lol. Ok I'll really shut up now[/color][/size]

[sikaurai]

(. . . A Tubal Ligation (am I spelling that correctly?) is more evasive and actually more dangerous than a vasectomy. Plus I believe it's more expensive and requires more recovery time than a vasectomy. But hey you and your non existant wife can go ahead and make that discision. And somehow I have a feeling you won't ever be in such a position.

From what I understand doctors will only do either a tubal ligation or vasectomy in extreme cases of younger men and women. There's also an opporation (The name escapes me at the moment) that removes the female reproductive organs (or maybe it was just the uterus), but that's also only in extreme cases. My aunt had it right after my cousin was born because her's was quite literally falling out. But other than major cases the doctor will probably just tell you to use condoms and birth control. . . )

Sikaurai replies: Yeah, I had a hysterectomy after my doc discovered dangerous tumors. I was fine with that, because I already have two kids. (and I love them dearly) My ex-boyfriend opted for a vasectomy at 24 years of age, because he didn't want to have to explain to a child down the road in the future that he/she was a mistake, and he never wanted said child. Together, we were sterile, and had the best times. As for sex ed. . . well, it was very scientific in our classroom, and with that said, a lot of our classmates went out and did their own field study. . .

[Adahn]

[size=2]I find it interesting that in a thread about sex, if anyone who didn't know what sex was were to read this thread, he/she would come away almost empty-handed, knowledge wise.[/size]
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[size=2]If you really think you're comfortable with sex, spell it out. I dare you. A hypothetical candy bar to the first person to write down the details.[/size]
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[size=2]The lack of information in this thread speaks volumes about how we view sex.[/size]
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[size=2]As for me, I saw a movie once. No, it's not what you think. In the movie, a man and a woman were kissing. The sex scene was skipped, and immediately following the kiss, there was a neat scene of sperm swimming through some unrecognizable pinkish-reddish inner surface of the body, finding and entering the egg. Boom, lady was pregnant. Boom, baby was born. At that point, I [i]knew[/i] that women got pregnant from kissing men. I didn't know what sex was, but that movie made the picture crystal clear. I apparently told my mom about this, or brought it up in conversation (I was a little fella), and she wasn't happy with me having that incorrect information and spreading it.[/size]
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[size=2]Her solution was to tell me to look up sex in the dictionary, and I found what some brave soul will hopefully put down onto this page for those who want/need to hear it to know.[/size]
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[size=2]I am, by nature, a follower of rules. I wasn't brought up a Christian, but the whole 'sex is bad' thing caught on. I had no qualms about sex before marriage, but I was personally strict on the whole "You have to be 18 before you can legally have sex." thing. It was the law, and I follow the law (except when driving 5 miles over the speed limit).[/size]
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[size=2]So, I turned 18, still a virgin, and later that year, I fell in love with a girl. I finally did what I was waiting to do for about 8 years. She and I were virgins, and we'll both be the only partner the other has ever had. We both love each other very much. That is, to me, an ideal relationship, and I feel very blessed that I am in one. As for details, I respect her enough to keep what ought to be private, private. I can dole out a little advice though.[/size]
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[size=2]No matter how many millions of hours of porn you've seen, no matter how many dirty books you've read, you are not a porn star. Sex will be awkward and strange, and it will take time and practice to unlearn everything you thought sex should be. Oh, lord, it will be definitely be fun, if you're with someone who is either as inexperienced as you, or is willing to help you become a better lover. With time, though, it's great. Hopefully, sex will become a part of your life, and hopefully, it will be a good part. In the end, though, that's all that it becomes; a personal, enjoyable part of your life that you share with someone else. With the mystery gone, it becomes a natural part of you, and despite all the misinformation forced upon us when we're young, the truth of it will never change. I sincerely hope each and every one of you develops into a man or woman who is comfortable and responsible enough with sex to enjoy it.[/size]

[James]

[font=arial]A hypothetical candy bar to the first person who writes down the details?

As far as I know, we are being asked about how we first learned about sex and that has kind of evolved into talking about our experiences with sex/relationships. I don't think the point of the thread is to "write down the details", unless I'm missing something. lol

In terms of abstinence...well, it's a nice idea when it comes to education, but it doesn't work as an educational tool. Telling someone to be abstinent is fine and perhaps they will listen to you, but what if they don't? Refusing to arm them with any knowledge about sex is short-sighted at best.

I think it's a question of saying "ideally, you won't be having sex until you're ready"...but then also acknowledging that plenty do and as a result, it's better to arm them with the relevant information than not. At the very least, you might be preventing an unwanted pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease.[/font]

[Adahn]

[size=2]I apologize for the goading comment, but my observation still stands, and is relevant to our discussion of how people learn about sex.[/size]
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[size=2]I could write it all down, every natural, physical detail, but I won't. To write it out would make me feel as if I were writing a filthy story. The 'proper' way to talk about sex is to invoke higher emotions and ideals, while avoiding discussion of the act itself.[/size]
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[size=2]Is this the way I [i]should[/i] feel about writing such things? If no, then why do I feel this way? How do [i]you[/i] feel about it? What do you think? I think most, if not all sexual problems stem from how society views sex. Where did our society get this view? I can only guess, but it may be a result of ascetic principles derived from certain religious worldviews. The idea that if something is pleasurable, it is evil, is a ridiculous reason to condemn sex. Sure, some pleasurable things are evil, if the pleasure gained is a result of hurting other people.[/size]
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[size=2]Again, you may ignore my earlier statement, but the first step to making people see sex as something clean and natural is to treat it as such yourself.[/size]

[sakurasuka]

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Upon reading Adahn's post, I thought about it.

Then I googled it, thinking it would be fun to show up with a bunch of definitions and such, demanding my hypothetical candy bar.

But alas, my trip to Google did very little. If I was someone who wanted to know the definition of 'Sex', I'd be extremely hard-pressed to find anything without delving deeper into the knowledge and names of specific organs and such. But if I lackd the knowledge of such organs, then how would I further any sex-education?

All I found with just the words 'sex' and 'definition' [To weed out the porn] was the following.



sex Pronunciation (seks)
n.

1.
a. The property or quality by which organisms are classified as female or male on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions.
b. Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, of this classification.
2. Females or males considered as a group.
3. The condition or character of being female or male; the physiological, functional, and psychological differences that distinguish the female and the male. See Usage Note at gender.
4. The sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior.
5. [b]Sexual intercourse[/b].
6. The genitals.
tr.v. sexed, sex·ing, sex·es
1. To determine the sex of (an organism).
2. Slang
a. To arouse sexually. Often used with up.
b. To increase the appeal or attractiveness of. Often used with up.



Okay. We now now that 'sex' can be used to classify male/female. And that it means '[b]Sexual intercourse[/b]'. But. What if I didn't know what 'Sexual intercourse' was? How the hell does that help? If I'm looking up a word, it doesn't help to just repeat the word. Obviously, I need some help, if I don't know what it means. Why is 'sex' one of the only words that is defined by its own name?

Now. If you look up 'Sexual Intercourse', you get some stuff. Lots of porn, but still, you can get some learnin' if you weed out all the crap.



No wonder 'sex education' is so terrible. Everyone's scared to talk about it.



Well. Even though this had nothing to do with the conversation, I believe it was neccesary. Seriously, without at least a little bit of knowledge on sex, you won't find anything but porn.



And, after some searching with the term 'sexual intercourse, I discovered that 'sex' is [spoiler] is the act of inserting the erect penis of the male into the vagina of the female for reproduction and also for sexual enjoyment.[/spoiler]



Damn, I'm good. Where's my candy bar?



Edit- Paha, Wikipedia has a good amount on Sexual Intercourse as well, for those curious.

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[Adahn]

[size=2]Well, that was very succinct and informative, and I commend you. I was thinking of something going into more detail (recalls encyclopedia), but for anyone who knows the right words for their wee-wee or hoo-hah, that will do the trick. Well, it was blacked out, so maybe half of a hypothetical candy bar. Enjoy it, it's satisfying, but it won't leave you feeling completely filled.[/size]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=#9933ff][font=lucida calligraphy]Okay I need hypothetical chocolate.

Sex is where you get naked and insert tab A into slot B or something like that.

Yes that is the basic idea of sex. It's messy it's sweaty and well... there is no absolutely correct way to do it. Trust me no matter how you do it the results are usualy the same.[/color][/font]

[James]

[quote]Again, you may ignore my earlier statement, but the first step to making people see sex as something clean and natural is to treat it as such yourself.
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[font=arial]I wasn't particularly aware that anyone wasn't doing that.

Moreover, the point of this thread has nothing to do with making people see sex in a certain way...it has to do with their own personal experiences with learning about it. There's a difference.

If you just want to see the explicit detail, that's fine...but that doesn't have much to do with the thread. lol[/font]

[sakurasuka]

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Yeah, the point of the thread was a discussion on the discovery of sex, not the definition of sex.

But I must admit, Adahn has a major point that should be discussed. Be it here, or in an entirely new thread.

Seriously, the world has quite a flawed and skewed view on sex.



Ah, and I put spoiler tags just in case. There isn't a rating really on this thread, and I'm not sure parents would appreciate walking in and seeing the term '[spoiler]erect penis[/spoiler]' on the page such child was viewing.

Just precautionary measures, though it really shouldn't be a problem in the first place.

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[Adahn]

[size=2]I do have a way I wish sex could be perceived, ideally, but you know as well as I do that I can't [i]make[/i] anyone see it my way. I made the observation that someone reading our sex thread could walk away from it with very little knowledge about sex itself. In essence, this thread is a reflection of all those terrble movies that give us only vague or incorrect information about sex. Mind you, I like this thread, and while I view it as a reflection, I find it interesting and informative at the same time. The reflection I see is only visible if you read between the lines.[/size]

[size=2]As for insinuating that people don't see sex as clean and natural, I'll admit that I made an assumption. An honest mistake, but certainly without dire consequences. So, I'll pose a question.[/size]

[size=2]Do you feel the same way about writing or talking about sex as I do? That it is somehow dirty and bad to spell it out? Must we cover it up with spoiler tags to hide our shame, or to protect the young from something bad?[/size]

[size=2]If so, we can try to identify where in our learning about sex we developed this paradigm. If you do feel that sex is clean, natural, and appropriate, perhaps you could share how you learned about it, so we can better understand what the difference is between us?[/size]
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[size=2]EDIT: I see the reason for your spoiler tags, and why they are appropriate. We don't want any of our young friends being kept away from this forum on our account. Ideally, though, I wish we didn't have to.[/size]

[Veritas]

[size=1][color=dimgray]I like to view it like this, the man puts his key in a woman's ignition to start the ride. [/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]Adahn I do see a point I think your trying to make, today it doens't seem like you can't say penis or vagina without someone laughing, going red in the face, or feeling dirty. Or at least thats what I gather, I'm rather scatterbrained at the moment.[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]I forgot what I was going to say next lol. Anyways sex is fun, but it is nothing glamorous, nothing like the movies, and nothing like porn. Information can help with this, but what helps the most is experience. [/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=dimgray]I can't think right so I'm gonna shut up, sorry if that made little sense.[/color][/size]

[Tekkaman]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]I have a story that i'll never forget regarding this topic on my knowledge of sex: (I'll try to keep it short. [color=navy]*Laughs*[/color])[/color][/size][/font]

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[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]My two cousins and I were going upstairs in my [old] house to mess with our babysitters in their sleep. I was seven at the time, my second cousin (Referred to as #2 from now on) was a year younger than me and my third cousin (a.k.a. #3) was a year younger than #2 (i.e. 7,6,5). As we continued upstairs and snuck into the room, the three babysitters were sound asleep. (No need to concern yourselves with numbers for the sitters, as i'll be referring to only one from now on) I decided to play hero and climb into the bed and mess with the thirteen year old babysitter sleeping between the other two. Gawd, she was beautiful. I had a crush on her and wanted to kiss her so bad it was ridiculous.[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]As I made it [very] close to her lips in the bed, I kissed her ever so slightly. She awoke at that moment and I froze in place from fear of getting in trouble by her calling my mom. However, she took me to my abondoned parents room (They were on some type of trip at the time) and showed me how much she liked me also. Blow jobs, foreplay, anything except sex, we did. The door to the room we were in was locked, keeping #2 and #3 from knowing what happened during the hours I spent in there.[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]I actually lost my virginity at the age of sixteen though, thinking that I had lost my virginity at that tender age so long ago with my babysitter. [color=navy]*Laughing to myself*[/color] Boy, was I in for a surprise. When I actually went inside my [ex-] girlfriend for the first time, it felt like someone had taken all the air out of my lungs. Yeah... ...I didn't last long at all that day. [color=navy]*Continues laugh.*[/color][/color][/size][/font]

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[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]Anywho, [u]experience is the key[/u]. I don't care what you think you know, make sure you know for sure because the only information you can back up is the information you know yourself. [color=navy]=][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[Sandy]

To you who view sex as containing only heterosexual intercourse, I have to say you're waaay lost.

We did an elegatory project on our class, where we held a sex-educational week for a few hundred 8th graders (14-15 years old) of different schools in the area. While doing that project, we ourselves learned a lot, too.

The most important thing that we as well as the 8th graders learned, in my opinion, is that [B]sex cannot be limited to pure intercourse[/B]. There are countless ways that people get aroused and arouse themselves, and all of them can be called sex. It might be shunned upon by parents, like masturbation, or illegal, like pedophilia, or something only very few people get aroused of, like smelling sweaty feet, but it's still [b]sex[/b], because it arouses one person or more people. Even foreplay is sex, although some of you don't see it that way.

If you narrow your view on sex to pure act of pluggin' and plowin', then I can tell you straight away that your sex-life will get very dull eventually. ;P

Going back to the sex-ed week we held, we had four info-points that the 8th graders circulated in smaller groups: female sexuality, male sexuality, sexual protection and love & dating (the latter was which I was involved in). The feedback gotten from the youth was positive and it really showed that something started to move inside their head.

Our aim was that if we could prevent even just [I]one[/I] early teenage pregnancy, sexual disease case or rape, our job would be well done. And I think we hit that aim. ;D

[Adahn]

[size=2]Sure, sex usually doesn't involve only intercourse, but that doesn't make everything but intercourse sex. There are many different things one can do before, during, or after sex that aren't 'pluggin' and 'plowin', and while they may be part of the act of making love, sex itself has a pretty simple definition. If you do everything but have sex, then you haven't had sex. You can't call yourself anything but a virgin lacking that single, definable experience.[/size]

[Tekkaman]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkred][QUOTE=Sandy][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2]The most important thing that we as well as the 8th graders learned, in my opinion, is that [b]sex cannot be limited to pure intercourse[/b]. There are countless ways that people get aroused and arouse themselves, and all of them can be called sex. It might be shunned upon by parents, like masturbation, or illegal, like pedophilia, or something only very few people get aroused of, like smelling sweaty feet, but it's still [b]sex[/b], because it arouses one person or more people. Even foreplay is sex, although some of you don't see it that way.[/size][/font]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkred][/QUOTE][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]So Sandy, I have a question for you. Based on my previous post...[/color][/size][/font]

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[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]...However, she took me to my abondoned parents room (They were on some type of trip at the time) and showed me how much she liked me also. Blow jobs, foreplay, anything except sex, we did... [/color][/size][/font]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkred][/QUOTE][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]...And based on your recent post, are you saying that by having all that done to me by my babysitter, that I had sex?[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]Also (though I consider this a dumb question to ask), if that's considered sex, then did I [technically] lose my virginity as well when that happened?[/color][/size][/font]

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[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]I actually lost my virginity at the age of sixteen though, thinking that I had lost my virginity at that tender age so long ago with my babysitter. [color=navy]*Laughing to myself*[/color] Boy, was I in for a surprise...[/color][/size][/font]

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[James]

[quote]I do have a way I wish sex could be perceived, ideally, but you know as well as I do that I can't make anyone see it my way. I made the observation that someone reading our sex thread could walk away from it with very little knowledge about sex itself. In essence, this thread is a reflection of all those terrble movies that give us only vague or incorrect information about sex. Mind you, I like this thread, and while I view it as a reflection, I find it interesting and informative at the same time. The reflection I see is only visible if you read between the lines.
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[font=arial]I think the key point is that the thread was never designed to be a source of education for readers. It is more about personal reflections. Personal reflections will probably always include some "incorrect" information about sex, I think. Afterall, we aren't really talking about the raw clinical aspects of it...we are really talking about personal experience and reflections.[/font]

[quote]As for insinuating that people don't see sex as clean and natural, I'll admit that I made an assumption. An honest mistake, but certainly without dire consequences. So, I'll pose a question.

Do you feel the same way about writing or talking about sex as I do? That it is somehow dirty and bad to spell it out? Must we cover it up with spoiler tags to hide our shame, or to protect the young from something bad?
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[font=arial]Your assumption is a reasonable one in some cases - I can certainly say, from certain experiences with members on OB, that there are people here who certainly don't view sex as "clean and natural". I don't think I can seek to change that view (especially on an Internet message board); all I can do is talk about my perspective and hope that it is at least thought-provoking.

I personally have no issues discussing sex, but I'm an adult and I recognise that not everyone is the same; some are more easily offended than others. Of course, those people can simply avoid reading or posting in this thread...but we do have a basic responsibility, I think.

Moreover, even as adults, I don't think we need to reach pornographic levels of detail in what we discuss. Discussing sex in an adult way doesn't necessarily mean that we need to be explicit about it - I think there can still be a sense of maturity about the subject.[/font]

[quote]If so, we can try to identify where in our learning about sex we developed this paradigm. If you do feel that sex is clean, natural, and appropriate, perhaps you could share how you learned about it, so we can better understand what the difference is between us?
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[font=arial]I think that is a good question to ask, because we do seem to have a division between both groups - those who view sex as clean and natural and those who have a sense of shame about it.[/font]

[quote]EDIT: I see the reason for your spoiler tags, and why they are appropriate. We don't want any of our young friends being kept away from this forum on our account. Ideally, though, I wish we didn't have to.[/quote]

[font=arial]I agree with you, but that's the balance we strike I guess. We do have some responsibility to parents in that regard.[/font]

[Aberinkula]

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[font=Palatino Linotype][size=2][color=darkgreen]Also (though I consider this a dumb question to ask), if that's considered sex, then did I [technically] lose my virginity as well when that happened?[/color][/size][/font][/QUOTE]

I agree.

So at the age of 12 I lost my virginity? I mean It's just a hand for chris sakes!! I lost my virginity to my own HAND!! I mean seriously. Soon your going to say having sex with your sofa is "losing your virginity. But I kind of agree. I mean anythings possible. But hopefully we can get clarity on the subject.

Back to the conversation again. How many words have we scroutanised! (Correct my spelling if I'm wrong) Lets take a look at some translations shall we.

Wong - A chinese (or japanese) name. Now its slang for penis.
banana - self explanitory.
[spoiler]boner[/spoiler] - Well I don't now what became to make this a word.
nuts and balls - nuts are food. And you play with balls. Toy balls. Umm basketballs. See what I mean.
johnson - yet another human name turned sexual. So is willie, etc, etc.

Did I miss anything? Probably not.

And another point. If anything "arousing" makes you lose your virginity then just playing with yourself is losing it, or geting an erection is losing it. I had my first one when I was 5 for crying out loud!

[sakurasuka]

[QUOTE=Split Keyblader]
And another point. If anything "arousing" makes you lose your virginity then just playing with yourself is losing it, or geting an erection is losing it. I had my first one when I was 5 for crying out loud![/QUOTE]


[size=1]That's not what he was saying at all.

It's only considered 'sex' if two or more people are involved. [spoiler]Masturbation[/spoiler] is by no means sexual intercourse.

Though that is [i]extremely[/i] off topic.

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[Sandy]

Actually, it all comes down to how you define losing your virginity. Just "by having sex" is a broooad expression, and "by inserting a penis into a vagina" is too narrow (since we all don't enjoy vaginas, and I [I]really[/I] don't consider myself a virgin anymore). ;P

Sure, masturbation is a sexual act! So is definitely blowjobs, handjobs (as in another person masturbating you), licking nipples, stepping onto testicles with a high heel... [I]All[/I] of these things involve arousal of one or more people.

Stop being so penetration-centered! Sex is so much more, and "losing virginity" is just an expression, a word for the first time "you did it". Whatever you did, you'll know when you [I]really[/I] did it.

Masturbation doesn't cause you to lose your virginity [I]in my opinion[/I], but to share a sexual experience with another person does.

However, there are people out there that think a girl has lost her virginity if she breaks her [I]hymen[/I] while masturbating. But that thinking is both sexist and unfair, because the same doesn't go with guy's masturbation.

All I'm saying, widen your way of thinking when it comes to this issue! Sex is such a beautiful thing! ;D