Terrible Things

[Adahn]

[size=2]Let us embark on a spectacular journey into the depths of inhumanity and darkest evil. The object of this thread is to introduce terrible things that have happened over the course of history, or are happening. I'd like to raise awareness of just how despicable we can be. Please, make sure your terrible things are true. Sources are good, and try to keep your introductory descriptions as truthful as possible.[/size]
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[size=2]I hope we can have many meaningful discussions, and I hope that nothing like what we're about to share ever happens again (or stops happening).[/size]
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[size=2]With that, I give you the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study"][b]Tuskegee Experiments[/b][/url].[/size]
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[size=2]In 1932, poor, black men were diagnosed with syphilis. Initially there were many men who were diagnosed, and the treatments available were administered. However, money for that program ran out, and a new program was created from the old. 400 of the men with syphilis were denied treatment (given placebos), so that the conductors of the experiment could study their corpses after their inevitable deaths. The purpose was to see if black people experience and die from the effects of syphilis different from white people. For 40 years, until 1972, the men were monitored and denied any form of treatment. When some were drafted into the army, they were found to have syphilis, and the army required for those men to be treated. The men conducting the experiment convinced the army to deny treatment, and considered it a great victory for science. Even when antibiotics, effective against the disease, were discovered and used to treat it, the 'patients' were denied it. The study required corpses.[/size]

[DeadSeraphim]

[size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]That's disgusting. *shudders*

Unit 731 was a story that always made me shudder. During World War II, Japense 'scientists' did a ****load of horrid experiments, up to and included vivisection on living human beings, amputating limbs to study bloodloss, reattaching those same limbs but on opposite sides of the body and removing unborn children from living, pregnant women - impregnated by doctors who raped them. One of the stories that disturbs me most though, is the fact that some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and their oesophaguses reattached to the intestines. I mean, seriously. That's scary.

Japan wasn't always so pure and clean, Unit 731 and it's associated Units did some of the most disgusting, terrible things of World War II.[/font][/color][/size]

[Aberinkula]

Ever hear about the Waverly Hills Sanitarium? Well it's the most haunted location in the US.

Patients there were being treated for traburculosis. A disease in the lungs. People were coming from distant countries just to get treatment. A tunnel known as the death tunnel, has cries of the people that died there. The bodies were taken down this tunnel to be brought for bariel. A train would carry the corpses away. Later on it closed and was turned into a nursing home. But the nursing home didn't go so well. More disease spread. Old men and women were sleeping in their own feces.
And the nurses there would abuse the poor old folks.

It is owned by a couple now to this date. Many deaths were counted there. About 40,000. (I think If I remember correctly)

[Retribution]

[size=1]The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre][b]My Lai massacre[/b][/url] was a rather disturbing event in the Vietnam War.

Here's a long story short. The Vietcong were hiding amongst the civilian population, which frustrated the US soldiers. After extremely long periods of no fighting and high tension, the soldier's nerves became shot and agitated, desperate for an open battle as opposed to erratic guerilla warfare.

My Lai was labeled as harboring retreated Vietcong from the Tet Offensive, and as a result, the pent-up US forces planned an offensive on the village. The US military command advised Charlie Company that all real civilians would have gone to market at about 7am the following day, and all other people within the village would be Vietcong. Charlie Company recieved orders to destroy the village.

The soldiers found no combatants the next day, but because of their platoon's sustained losses, they cared little of what happened to the civilians. When officers asked the civilians where the Vietcong were, and no one knew, the massacre began. Gunning down old men, women, children, and babies without remorse, the US troops leveled the village. Civilians were ordered into ditches and mowed down, other times grenades were lobbed into houses. None were left alive.

The My Lai massacre resulted in the deaths of hundreds of civilians. There was no question as to if they were enemies or not.[/size]

[Delta]

[COLOR=#35425e]A [b]snuff film[/b]features actual murder of a person filmed for entertainment purposes. No special effects, no fake blood, just plain murder being caught on tape.

The Zapruder film has been wrongly labelled a snuff film. One has to take into consideration the intents of the filmmaker. Surely, it was unknown to him that in the duration of filming, he was going to capture the murder of a person.

It is often said that you'd know it's a true snuff film if the victim's last words were along the lines of "There's no such thing as a snuff film."[/COLOR]

[Albert Flasher]

[COLOR=Sienna]Terrible things mark human history in uncountable numbers, but there's one that will always stand out to me.

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Mexico]The Spanish Conquest of South America[/URL] has got to be one of the most disgustingly terrible events of all time. Hernan Cortez was the worst of all. He would destroy Aztec and Mayan temples and build Catholic churches on their rubble, he and his Conquistador buddies practically wiped out mesoamerican culture completely. The people of South America were opressed and exploited and often exported as slaves. It was the greatest cultural genocide in history.

Another thing that always irks me is the burning of the Globe Theater by Christian fundis because apparantly having fun is a sin. If it weren't for the loss of life experianced in South America, that would be the biggest cultural genocide ever.[/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[size=1]Interesting, most interesting.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwellian_conquest_of_Ireland]Oliver Cromwell?s conquest of Ireland[/url]. I?m not going to make an effort to deny my bias on this matter, I?m Irish and Roman Catholic, so this man stands for all that is heinous and evil to come from England aside from the plantations. I?ll allow people to judge the man?s actions and then make their own decisions, but I will say this, if it were not for Cromwell?s successes, Ireland would never have gone through the Famine. His establishing the ruling Protestant English class in Ireland and penal treatment of Catholics prevented any chance of our being able to remove the dependency on the potato crop. [/size]

[QUOTE=Red 6][COLOR=Sienna]Terrible things mark human history in uncountable numbers, but there's one that will always stand out to me.

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Mexico]The Spanish Conquest of South America[/URL] has got to be one of the most disgustingly terrible events of all time. Hernan Cortez was the worst of all. He would destroy Aztec and Mayan temples and build Catholic churches on their rubble, he and his Conquistador buddies practically wiped out Mesoamerican culture completely. The people of South America were oppressed and exploited and often exported as slaves. It was the greatest cultural genocide in history.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]No offence Red, but putting in the Spanish Conquest of [I]South America[/I] when the article itself is called the Spanish Conquest of [I]Mexico[/I], and blaming Cortez for the entire thing is a little inaccurate. I'm not defending him mind you, the man was a butcher, but the Aztecs were no saints themselves, human sacrifice from their conquered enemies were very common and we're not talking in small numbers.

Also it took the Spanish over a century to conquer the Yucatan and that was just against the Mayans, so I'm pretty sure Cortez wasn't involved throughout that campaign, and it took sixty years to completely defeat the Aztecs, so again you're generalising but as I already said, I do agree with you that the Conquests were terrible acts.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Red 6][COLOR=Sienna']Another thing that always irks me is the burning of the Globe Theatre by Christian fundis because apparently having fun is a sin. If it weren't for the loss of life experienced in South America, that would be the biggest cultural genocide ever.[/COLOR][/quote]

[SIZE=1]I think what you're talking about there is Presbyterians, and no offence, but I'd prefer not to be lumped in with them in the whole "Christian" title if you don't mind. Another name for those Presbyterians was Puritans, a name most will recognise.[/SIZE]

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson][i]"Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature such as self preservation?"[/i] - 1952 internal CIA memo.

Project MKULTRA was a broad CIA program that began in response to reports that POWs within Korea were becoming unwilling experiments in mind control. The CIA, inspired by this, sought to develop the same capabilities and sought to create some kind of truth serum or mind control device to aid interrogation or international espionage. MKULTRA spawned out of this first program which was codenamed Project BLUEBIRD.

MKULTRA was more sinister and larger than it's parent project- MKULTRA was more of an umbrella name for 150 or so subprojects all dealing with mind control methods. The method they used at the time they called narco hypnosis- they blended LSD and other psycho-active drugs with psychological or hypnotic methods to literally and simply tinker with the victim's brain, trying to get them to 'snap' enough that they would answer any question or follow orders willingly. Some people were simply fed LSD for two months straight, some were locked in sensory deprivation chambers while on LSD. The head of the project, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, started using LSD heavily himself and took extensive notation of his reactions to it.

Eventually experimentation began to take place on unwilling and completely unknowing people of the general population- normal US citizens who had no idea they were being experimented on.

Eventually in the early 1970's a revelation came about and that's.. pretty boring. Unfortunately a couple of years prior to the revelation, almost every document pertaining to MKULTRA was destroyed on the orders of then-director Richard Helms. Most of what we know about MKULTRA comes from misfiles and foreign sources. The scope of the illegality, beyond what I've said above (which is just a glimpse of some of the things that were done) cannot be known.

As to the success of mind control and all that the official CIA statement is that nothing much successful came of it. Since most of the records are destroyed there's no way to confirm that. Statements to reporters by former higher ups in the CIA say otherwise and state that, even as the revelation to the American public happened, narco hypnosis had run dry and that the CIA was turning to psycho electronics (a stupid sounding term if I say so myself- basically they turned from chemically induced methods to electronic ones, e.g.: electromagnetic waves, implants, etc.) to achieve it's goal. Anything regarding those programs is completely locked down and classified.

The latter part about psycho electronics is heavily implied from documentation released during MK ULTRA's revelation but not provable so you can ignore that if you want. Everything about MK ULTRA is 100 percent proven but probably just the tip of the iceberg. The extent of the illegal, sadistic things that were done can never be known.

Sources for this: Aside from obvious links to wikipedia information at [url=http://peyote.com/jonstef/mkultra.htm]this[/url] website is interesting. There are several books written on it (all good reads) and a [url=http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm]website[/url] with declassified documents on it. [/color]