Familiar Thieves

[nezzyjean]

Over the summer, my dear sister went on a day trip and she brought me back this miniature glass whale that she purchased at a glass shop. I liked it so much i convinced myself that it was lucky and took it everywhere...before a week was up, i had already lost it.

ANYWAY, this weekend i was sleeping over at one of my friends house, and what do i see on her bedside table? my little glass whale. So I ask her, "Oh hey, is that my whale?" and shes all like: "No, I found this at my house."

I remember now that i had slept over at her house a few days after I recieved the whale, and I hadn't seen it since then, so I tell her that I left it at her house, and she says "Well, I just find stuff sometimes," and refuses to give it back to me.

This girl happens to have a history of stealing, she just got caught shoplifting at the mall 2 or 3 weeks ago, and I know she had stolen an incredible amount of items before that..but she said that she would never ever steal from a person or one of her friends.

I don't know why, but i seem to be unlucky with this kind of stuff. In kindergarten and first grade, my best friend stole stuff from me all the time and even black mailed me into giving her all our mock money we got for good behavior to buy prizes at the end of each semester by saying she wouldn't be my friend anymore.

So, my questions are: A) How do i get the whale back? and B) Have you ever had a person you considered a friend or any person you even knew steal things from you?

[DeadSeraphim]

[size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]A) My gut reaction was steal it back. It's not [i]really[/i] thievery if you already own it right?

B)This isn't *exactly* the same thing, but...

I was at a party once, and me and a friend had spent over $50 on alcohol, since it was BYO. Before the night was through over half of it had been stolen by people we considered friends. Only when the guy running the party offered to hide it inside was it saved - and then his Mum and sister drank most of it. Seriously, out of 24 cans of Rum and Coke we both got about 6 a piece. That leaves about 12 unaccounted for - next time we're taking our own bloody esky.[/font][/color][/size]

[Fyxe]

[size=1][color=slategray]Dang, I'd get out your slapping hand and just take it back.

I actually had a friend when I was younger that used to force her stuff on me. She'd come over with all of these things she didn't want, and leave them at my house. Then she'd never take them home. What was I supposed to do with millions of freaky baby dolls?
Then, a few weeks later, she'd stop by and accuse me of stealing those exact things.

I think she needed a therapist.[/color][/size]

[visualkei]

[B]I despise people who steal.[/B]

Since you're really sure that object belongs to you, you really should've taken the whale back when you were over there, whether it be discreetly by basically "stealing" it back, or overtly, take it back by force. I think this is something you can handle yourself without involving parents. If you think telling an adult is the best way, then go ahead, but that sure is awkward telling someone their kid stole from you. Who knows if they'll believe you, maybe they will, maybe they won't. hehe.

If you really wanted to keep her as a friend, then I see why you didn't take it back. But that kind of person, you don't need around. It's worth taking your object back and giving up that kind of person. Or you can be the better person, just give up the object, TELL her she can keep it, and let her know you won't tolerate someone like her as a friend.

[Adahn]

[size=2]If your friend is exhibiting signs of kleptomania (stealing obsession), then the worst thing you could do is ignore it and let her keep the item. I don't know what position you are in, but I have a couple of suggestions. Please carefully consider which of these, if any, would be appropriate, depending on your knowledge of the relationships involved.[/size]
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[size=2]1. Discuss the stealing problem with your friend. Find information on kleptomania, and ask her specifically about the symptoms. If you find it best to be subtle, drop them into normal conversation, and when you know she's recognized the symptoms in herself, tell her about kleptomania, show her information about it, and make available to her any sources you have found that could help her with her problem.[/size]
[size=2]2. Talk to her parents about it. Try to be as understanding as possible. Bring your sister so she can back up your story, and anybody else who knows for a fact that you owned the item. Make sure you let her parents know you are concerned more about her problem than the item itself. If she is your friend, this shouldn't be a problem, as your concern for her should be more important than the object stolen.[/size]
[size=2]3. With as much information as possible, bring the problem to the attention of your school guidance counselor and principal. They will know a good way to examine your friend, and if they cannot convince her to give the item back, they probably have the best chance of finding help for her, if outside help is what she needs.[/size]
[size=2]4. Bring the situation to your parents' attention, and have them meet with your friend's parents. If they are all reasonable and careful, you should get the item back, and the girl's parents will hopefully choose the correct course of action. Punishment may be enough to stop the problem, but if it's kleptomania, she will probably need professional help.[/size]
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[size=2]If you lose your friend over any of this, I apologize. I only hope that the effort you make leads to her being a better person, and even if you do lose touch, you will know that you made a good impact on her life, and made the best out of a bad situation.[/size]
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[size=2]Again, if none of this seems appropriate to your situation, please disregard them. I hope all goes well, and I look forward to a favorable update from you sometime soon :)[/size]

[Sara]

[color=#b0000b][size=1]I'd talk with your sister and parents for advice. "Stealing" it back is kosher, although it might end up creating a rift between you and your friend. You know it's yours, and you know she knows that. The fact that she won't give it back is a problem.

The whale was a gift, and it is special to you. If your friend cannot recognise that and have the good grace to give it back, she isn't a friend that you should mind losing.

And [i]do not[/i] bring up kleptomania while she still has the whale. No matter how subtly or kindly you bring it up, she's going to get defensive and upset. Wait until the current issue has been resolved before bringing that up to her.

What I would do:
Decide whether or not I am willing to potentially break off this friendship.

If yes: Mention this to my parents (or sister), and make sure they are aware that I am going to get the whale back. Just make sure that you have an ally somewhere in your household in case your friend retaliates by publically accusing [i]you[/i] of stealing.

If you are sure that the friend's mother/father is 1.) aware of her daughter's stealing problem, and 2.) disapproves of it (some parents are weird about their kids, you never know), consider approaching him or her. "Mr/Mrs. xxxxx? Can I talk to you? Such and such an amount of time ago, I left something here when I was sleeping over. It's still in your daughter's room, but she says that she found it, and she won't let me have it back. It's really important to me. Do you think you could talk to her about it?" Make sure you don't accuse the daughter of [i]stealing[/i] it, because that will set off a defensive reaction in the parent, and they might just kick you out of the house.

If you decide not to talk to one of her parents, or if the parent is unhelpful, just take it back. You want to do this before she decides to hide it from you, or it gets broken. Once you have it, keep it in a safe place (don't carry it around with you), and try not to let her see it (don't keep it on display in your room.)[/size][/color]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=visualkei][B]I despise people who steal.[/B]

Since you're really sure that object belongs to you, you really should've taken the whale back when you were over there, whether it be discreetly by basically "stealing" it back, or overtly, take it back by force. I think this is something you can handle yourself without involving parents. If you think telling an adult is the best way, then go ahead, but that sure is awkward telling someone their kid stole from you. Who knows if they'll believe you, maybe they will, maybe they won't. hehe.

If you really wanted to keep her as a friend, then I see why you didn't take it back. But that kind of person, you don't need around. It's worth taking your object back and giving up that kind of person. Or you can be the better person, just give up the object, TELL her she can keep it, and let her know you won't tolerate someone like her as a friend.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You despise those who steal? I have a question, why is it that you think most people steal in the first place? They don't steal out of greed in most situations, they steal out of necessity. They steal because they have no money, no food, no shelter, nothing. Is it wrong for the unfortunate to take from the fortunate? Was Robin Hood morally in the wrong?

Now, don't think my views are based from one sided experience. I've had a laptop stolen from me by a Mexican. I was in Mexico, and it was in our van. And yet i still understand why it is that they stole our laptop. Of course there is no way to be certain of the person's motives, i can only guess. If he took it out of pure greed then i'd be furious. But there's no way of knowing, so there's no point in getting worked up over it.

As for the friend "stealing" it. I think you should clarify with your friend rather she actually considers it stealing. Maybe she really thinks that she found it around her house and it was just coincidence that you had lost the same object. If she does think it's stealing though and doesn't care then you should obviously speak your mind with this girl. Either way, be honest, don't hide things from her. If you hide from her then you can't consider her to be your friend or vice versa.

Later.

EDIT: Oh...and the deal with her stealing [b][color=red]stuff[/color][/b] for real...that's totally lame. You should tell her she's a [b][color=red]really[/color][/b] crazy [b][color=red]person[/color][/b] for doing it. Maybe not in those words, but seriously. Stealing like that's not cool. It's immoral and you have to stop it while it's young. If you're really her friend then you should care enough to help her. True friends help friends with their problems, no matter how difficult it may be for either friend.
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[John]

This kid happen to have a suspicious Motorola Razr? :P

[quote name='The13thMan][color=DarkOrange][font=Century Gothic]You despise those who steal? I have a question, why is it that you think most people steal in the first place? They don't steal out of greed in most situations, they steal out of necessity. They steal because they have no money, no food, no shelter, nothing. Is it wrong for the unfortunate to take from the fortunate? Was Robin Hood morally in the wrong.[/font'][/color][/quote] That happens, sure, but I wouldn't go [i]near[/i] so far as to say that's why most people steal; it's probably a very small portion at best. And either way, when she said she hates people who steal, it's pretty obvious what type of person she was talking about.

And for ****'s sake, quit trying to bypass the censor.

[Solo Tremaine]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][color=darkorange][font=Century Gothic]You despise those who steal? I have a question, why is it that you think most people steal in the first place? They don't steal out of greed in most situations, they steal out of necessity. They steal because they have no money, no food, no shelter, nothing. Is it wrong for the unfortunate to take from the fortunate? Was Robin Hood morally in the wrong?
[/font][/color][/QUOTE][color=#503f86]Actually, I'd be inclined to say that most theft (well, the serious stuff) is used to fuel drug-related activities. Except the smaller stuff between primary and secondary school- you know, toys, pencils and the like. That's more 'I want what you have so I'm going to take it', and not yet understanding the consequences.

I can't give any more constructive advice, really. Talking to her about kleptomania is far too clinical an approach. I seriously doubt she'll respond to it and probably won't budge on giving it back. Lika Sara said, you need to consider whether your friendship is worth maintaining, and if it isn't then I'd just take the whale back.[/color]

[sakurasuka]

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B**** slap the girl and take it back.

You [i]know[/i] it's yours. She [i]knows[/i] it's yours. You don't need friends that steal from you.

Kleptomania? Are you serious? Now people are just making up disorders rather than owning up to thier mistakes. Honestly. 'It's not my fault I murdered 80 people. I have the killing disorder.' or 'It's not my fault I stole it, my hand made me do it.'

Good lord. People need to stop pretending something's wrong with them. Every other person in the world does not have ADD, OCD, or kleptomania.

It's just an excuse for attention and medication.

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[Delta]

[COLOR=#35425e]Try to keep your things in order and mark them if you can. It's easier to keep track of your stuff that way.[/COLOR]

[Adahn]

[size=2]Whether you want to give it a fancy name or not, compulsive stealing is a problem that may not be dissuaded by punishment alone. I have never known a compulsive stealer. Ever. I'm not saying it's not her fault she stole the whale, I'm saying that it may take more than a ***** slap to set her straight.[/size]
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[size=2]Only nezzyjean and other people who know the girl personally can say whether she steals compulsively. How do you stop a compulsive gambler, take away their money? They'll sell their assets for that thrill. I just re-read the thread starter's post, and I think you all should see something again.[/size]
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[size=2]This girl happens to have a history of stealing, she just got caught shoplifting at the mall 2 or 3 weeks ago, and I know she had stolen an [b]incredible[/b] amount of items before that..but she said that she would never ever steal from a person or one of her friends.[/quote][/size]
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[size=2]An incredible amount? Seems like a compulsive thief to me, and now it's gone beyond stores. It may seem like I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here, but I think you're making a molehill out of a mountain.[/size]

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[Retribution]

[size=1]Don't carry around a very precious object that has no purpose aside from being "lucky". A laptop, sure. A camera, of course. But a glass whale? That's just increasing the chance of it getting lost or stolen for the sake of getting it lost or stolen.

That aside, just steal it back. And never talk to her again, she'll know exactly why you stopped talking to her.

[quote name='Adahn][size=2']I'm not saying it's not her fault she stole the whale, I'm saying that it may take more than a ***** slap to set her straight.[/size][/quote]
You're right. It'll take getting bludgeoned in the head with a glass whale to set her straight.

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You despise those who steal? I have a question, why is it that you think most people steal in the first place? They don't steal out of greed in most situations, they steal out of necessity. They steal because they have no money, no food, no shelter, nothing. Is it wrong for the unfortunate to take from the fortunate? Was Robin Hood morally in the wrong?
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Are you using this argument to justify her friend's actions? Certainly, stealing food when you're on the verge of death is a far different matter from stealing a glass whale because you want it. Stealing because of greed is always wrong. Stealing to live I can deal with [well, to an extent].[/size]

[Adahn]

[size=2]Well, before you steal your whale back, you might want to ask her for some tips, first (sort of joking). The worst thing that could happen in this case is that you get caught stealing it back, she fights for it, and the glass whale gets broken. Then the whale's gone, the friendship's gone, and everything sucks.[/size]
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[size=2]If someone stole a gift from me that my dear little sister gave to me, I'd get it back, and I'd never talk to the thief again. Gosh, does that make me a hypocrite? Yeah, I suppose it does, but there's nothing wrong with looking at alternatives.[/size]
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[sakurasuka]

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Alright. Listen [or rather, read] very closely. Stealing, even impulsive stealing, is still wrong. It's still stealing. The person can physically stop themselves from doing it.

There is NO DISORDER that can force you to steal something. Aside from alien mind control. But I doubt that's the issue.

If I spend every paycheck at the mall, it does not mean I have a shopping disorder. If I eat everything in sight, that does not equal an eating disorder. You can ALWAYS stop. You can ALWAYS choose to have self-control.

So I have ABSOLUTELY no pity for people with 'kleptomania'. That's just an excuse those dumbf***s thought up to justify stealing.

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[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=sakurasuka][size=1]

Alright. Listen [or rather, read] very closely. Stealing, even impulsive stealing, is still wrong. It's still stealing. The person can physically stop themselves from doing it.

There is NO DISORDER that can force you to steal something. Aside from alien mind control. But I doubt that's the issue.

If I spend every paycheck at the mall, it does not mean I have a shopping disorder. If I eat everything in sight, that does not equal an eating disorder. You can ALWAYS stop. You can ALWAYS choose to have self-control.

So I have ABSOLUTELY no pity for people with 'kleptomania'. That's just an excuse those dumbf***s thought up to justify stealing.

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Halelujah! I totally agree!

My mom has been the manager of Spencer's gifts at 2 different malls for over a year, and the amount of things which get stolen is rediculous. Stealing disorder? No. People just straight-up want to steal things! I guarantee you every other suburban teenage white girl has stolen from somone or someplace on purpose without regret.

If I knew someone was a theif, I would not get along with them. Usually the type of person who steals dont get along with me anyway, but I just hate that they do it. For the most part, they just do it because they can, and to be frank, its STUPID.

[Adahn]

[size=2]Have you ever heard of nicotine or alcohol? Have you ever heard of drugs that can cause dependence? The word commonly used for the abuse nicotine, alchohol, or pharmaceuticals is addiction. In these cases, the drug causes a physical dependence. Nothing can MAKE them smoke another cigarette, drink another shot, or take another pill, but that doesn't mean it's easy for them to stop. Some people have the desire to stop, but they don't have the willpower. Some people go to alcoholics anonymous or narcotics anonymous, because outside sources can sometime help people deal with their addictions.[/size]

[size=2]People with gambling addictions get a huge thrill out of gambling. It is a perfectly legal thing to do, but it ruins some people worse than alcohol, nicotine, or pharmaceuticals ever can. There are hotlines for people with gambling addictions, and many family members intervene in their loved one's lives, in hopes of helping them help themselves to stop.[/size]

[size=2]I have been reading your posts closely, sakurasuka, and I'm trying to help you see a connection here.[/size]

[size=2]Stealing is illegal and wrong, but the thrill people get out of it is the same thrill people get from gambling. In case you don't know, it really is a thrill. I've never stolen, but when I've considered it and known I would get away with it, I felt a heady rush. My morality stops me from being a thief, but it may have lost out had I gotten to like the feeling thievery brings.[/size]

[size=2]I suppose you have no pity or desire to help those who gamble their lives away? We should shut down all the hotlines that help people with their addiction, because they can do it themselves? Should we eliminate alcoholics anonymous and narcotics anonymous, as well? Despite the physical dependence, some people can beat their addictions through a force of will, so we should remove the option for all people? Nobody tries to justify these things, but they seek to help.[/size]

[size=2]Perhaps someone you care about will fall prey to an addiction, and then you may learn to empathize with others and try to help them. However, I hope you can learn these things on your own from human experience. Open your heart and see.[/size]
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[size=2]EDIT: Oh spencer's, what a wonderful place. My girlfriend and I go there sometimes, but between the two of us, I guess we don't have the nuts to buy anything. We don't steal, though, we just look. The stores I've been to were cramped and dark, and with the things they sell there, it's a combination that just begs all the delinquents to come in and take whatever they can shove in their pockets. There's a difference between being a thieving jackass and having a problem with the thrill of stealing. When a girl steals an object of importance from her friend, you know it's no longer about wanting the stolen item, it's about the thrill of stealing.[/size]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Adahn][size=2']If someone stole a gift from me that my dear little sister gave to me, I'd get it back, and I'd never talk to the thief again. Gosh, does that make me a hypocrite? Yeah, I suppose it does, but there's nothing wrong with looking at alternatives.[/size][/quote]
[size=1]If someone stole something that was yours from you, does that mean you still own it? Of course. If that object is yours and they refuse to give it back and diplomacy has failed, the next and only other feasible option is taking it back by force or in this case, stealing it back. Stealing it back does not make you a hypocrite. It means you took what was yours. It means you stood up for yourself instead of being some shoved-around person whose idealism was taken advantage of.

And Adahn, I'd be careful before justifying this girl's actions under the banner of kleptomania. To an extent, sakurasuka is right. People are overdiagnosed (in my opinion) with ADD because they're just bad children who weren't beaten enough as a child :p.

Whether or not she has kleptomania is inconsequential, in any event. Stealing in this instance is obviously not justified, no matter what force is compelling her to steal this glass whale.[/size]

[Adahn]

[size=2]Never have I said anything about the girl being justified, and I apologize, but if you think I said this, ever, you've greatly misunderstood me. I quoted something earlier, but I imagine I'll have to bring it to your attention again.[/size]
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Originally Posted by [b]nezzyjean[/b]
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[size=2]This girl happens to have a history of stealing, she just got caught shoplifting at the mall 2 or 3 weeks ago, and I know she had stolen an [b]incredible[/b] amount of items before that..but she said that she would never ever steal from a person or one of her friends.[/i]
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[size=2]What I have suggested has nothing to do with trying to justify the girl's actions. I have done my best to see what anyone else who reads this should see: the girl has a serious problem with stealing.[/size]
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[size=2]Please stop telling me that what the girl has done is wrong. I know this. It doesn't need to be said anymore. Nobody, especially me, is trying to say that what she has done is right.[/size]
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[size=2]The girl, in saying 'that she would never ever steal from a person or one of her friends', has obviously admitted to the thread-starter that she has a problem with stealing. In my opinion, someone should have brought this to her parents', guidance counselor's, and school's attention a LONG time ago.[/size]
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[size=2]The easiest solution to this problem is what has been suggested; steal it back. The BEST solution to this problem is to recognize it as a problem, and treat it as one. Any of the courses of action I have presented will result in the whale returning to the original owner, with the benefit that people will be made aware of this girl's problem and deal with it properly.[/size]
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[size=2]Oh dear, a little bit of anger here.[/size]
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[size=2]You people, telling him to do what's necessary to get the item back and nothing else, are encouraging him to encourage her to keep stealing. You are telling her, "It's not okay to steal from me, but I'm not telling anyone else about your stealing problem, okay?"[/size]
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[size=2]If you must persist in this nonsense, then I hope this girl grows up to be a master thief, and I hope she steals very, VERY valuable things from you, to the extent that you find your assets harmfully diminished, and you must survive on food stamps.[/size]
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[size=2]You have an influence on nezzyjean, here, and if you won't take responsibility for what your statements can cause, then I can only hope that it bites you in the *** someday.[/size]
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[size=2]If you think what I have suggested is a bad idea, then listen to Sara. You may be too young to take the responsibility of helping your friend into your own hands, and in that case, you should just take it back and let her deal with her problems on her own.[/size]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Adahn][size=2']The easiest solution to this problem is what has been suggested; steal it back. The BEST solution to this problem is to recognize it as a problem, and treat it as one. Any of the courses of action I have presented will result in the whale returning to the original owner, with the benefit that people will be made aware of this girl's problem and deal with it properly.[/size][/quote]
[size=1]Perhaps it's my cynicism, but it's been my lot in life that when I tell the parents their child "has a problem with [insert vice]" and how it's affecting me, they shut me out. They don't want to hear that their child is a kleptomaniac. Perhaps it's presumptuous of me to completely bypass the parents; in hindsight it really is.

[QUOTE][size=2]You people, telling him to do what's necessary to get the item back and nothing else, are encouraging him to encourage her to keep stealing. You are telling her, "It's not okay to steal from me, but I'm not telling anyone else about your stealing problem, okay?"[/size][/QUOTE]But you said...
[QUOTE]If someone stole a gift from me that my dear little sister gave to me, I'd get it back, and I'd never talk to the thief again. Gosh, does that make me a hypocrite? Yeah, I suppose it does, but there's nothing wrong with looking at alternatives.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][size=2]If you must persist in this nonsense, then I hope this girl grows up to be a master thief, and I hope she steals very, VERY valuable things from you, to the extent that you find your assets harmfully diminished, and you must survive on food stamps.[/size][/QUOTE]
Why are you so bitter? After just admitting you would steal it back and never talk to the girl again, do you actually have any right to wish something like that upon anyone?

[QUOTE][size=2]You have an influence on nezzyjean, here, and if you won't take responsibility for what your statements can cause, then I can only hope that it bites you in the *** someday.[/size][/QUOTE]
Seriously, folks. Don't ask for personal advice on the internet, and if you do, take that advice as a grain of salt. It's not our fault if nezzyjean blindly accepts our suggestions without considering the consequences.

[QUOTE][size=2]If you think what I have suggested is a bad idea, then listen to Sara. You may be too young to take the responsibility of helping your friend into your own hands, and in that case, you should just take it back and let her deal with her problems on her own.[/size][/QUOTE]
And so now you say "if you're too young to help, just let her deal with her problem." I'm confused. If I'm misquoting you, kindly correct me. I honestly don't think what I'm saying warrants you wishing my financial future ill.[/size]

[Boo]

[size=1]It'd be so funny if you'd just find a glass whale under your bed right now. :)

[b]Edit:[/b] It'd be even more funny if you'd find it after stealing the 'stolen whale'. [/size]

[sakurasuka]

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I'm going to take this back just a bit. I don't feel like quoting every bit, I'm positive you insanely smart people can figure out what I'm reffering to.

Nicotine is physically addictive. Stealing is not. Sure, you can get a 'rush' from doing something [like stealing, riding a roller coaster, sex, etc.], but that doesn't mean it's impossible to stop. You don't need 'Theivery Anonymous' or whatever. If you don't ride a roller coaster for a few months, you won't have withdrawls. People seriously use the names of disorders just to explain away all thier problems and bad habits.

I seriously doubt there has ever been one serious case of kleptomania.



This girl does need to be taught that stealing is wrong, but that's not exactly something one of her peers can do. And, like Retri said, it's not exactly something the parents would probably listen to.



Adahn. You have some good points, and I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid, but you get really caught up in trying to convince everyone else that you're right and you don't even listen to what anyone else has to say. We'd be more open to discussing your opinion if you were more open to ours ;P

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[Fyxe]

[QUOTE=Tical Blue]I guarantee you every other suburban teenage [B]white girl[/B] has stolen from somone or someplace on purpose without regret.
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[size=1][color=slategray]Oopsie. :(

(I find that white girl comment racist. XD)[/color][/size]

[eleanor]

[quote name='Bláse][quote=Tical Blue']I guarantee you every other suburban teenage white girl has stolen from somone or someplace on purpose without regret.[/quote] [size=1][color=slategray]Oopsie. :(

(I find that white girl comment racist. XD)[/color][/size][/QUOTE]

[color=dimgray] It's every other teenage girl, not every other teenage white girl. [/color]

[Adahn]

[size=2]It really comes down to what I think are the right thing to do, and the best thing to do.[/size]
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[size=2]The right thing to do is steal it back and don't talk to her anymore.[/size]
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[size=2]The best thing to do is to get her to stop stealing, somehow, and let her give you back the whale.[/size]
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[size=2]Forget everything else I said. All of it. I change my mind all the time, and perhaps keeping it as simple as possible will leave me less open to attack.[/size]
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