The New Wave of Progressive Death Metal

[Justin]

For those who know what I'm talking about, what are your thoughts on the emergence of this "New Wave of Progressive Death Metal", as I've called it.

Near as I can tell, it's spear-headed by bands such as the Black Dahlia Murder, Between the Buried and Me, and on the extreme end, Cattle Decapitation; but it branches off in almost every possible direction. So much so that it's hard to nail down.

There is talk amongst the ever-present critics that it's the 'new metalcore' and, admittedly, it is producing quite a few 'cookie cutter' bands. But moreso than metalcore, it is producing some interesting death metal hybrids.

Bands such as Despised Icon with it's fingers in every pie on the table pretty much. Also, Through the Eyes on the Dead, who blend the Floridian brutality of the band responsible for their namesake(Cannibal Corpse) and conventional metalcore catchyness.

There are many more equaly noteworthy members of this movement. I'll end this with a short list, and I expect opinions, theories, and general intelligent discussion from informed people:

All Shall Perish
Animosity
Arsis
As Blood Runs Black
Beneath the Massacre
Between the Buried and Me
the Black Dahlia Murder
Despised Icon
Glass Casket
Job For A Cowboy
Psyopus
The Red Chord
Through the Eyes of the Dead
Waking the Cadaver
With Blood Comes Cleansing

There's a whole lot more, but I tried to keep it trimmed to bands I think would be searchable of Wikipedia.

Thoughts?

-Justin

[Amorphous]

[QUOTE=Kam][strike]All Shall Perish[/strike]
[strike]Animosity[/strike]
Arsis
[strike]As Blood Runs Black[/strike]
Beneath the Massacre
[strike]Between the Buried and Me[/strike]
[strike]the Black Dahlia Murder[/strike]
[strike]Despised Icon[/strike]
[strike]Glass Casket[/strike]
[strike]Job For A Cowboy[/strike]
Psyopus
[strike]The Red Chord[/strike]
[strike]Through the Eyes of the Dead[/strike]
[strike]Waking the Cadaver[/strike]
With Blood Comes Cleansing
[/QUOTE]I do not like to point out harsh mistakes in this thread and make you look like a fool or anything of the sort but this thread is quite mistaken on what Death Metal actually is and I just wanted to clear up for whomever else is going to read this some minor and major flaws of this list. This is not to say you are as a whole mistaken on what Death Metal is but rather just what you have listed is not quite a good example of Death Metal or a new wave of it for that matter. As well the Metalcore elements heavily outweigh the Death Metal elements in almost every band listed.

Ok let me start by mentioning, the crossed out names are all either Deathcore (meaning that there is more Death Metal and less Metalcore influences) or Metalcore with small Death Metal elements making them less Death Metal then you really would want them to be. So the only Progressive Death Metal band in that group would be Arsis... who are bloody amazing for what they do. Psyopus, With Blood Comes Cleansing and Cattle Decapitation are just clear cut Death Metal.

Now yes, I know, it is all technicalities and the like but honestly in my own personal opinion I would rather call it the "New Wave of Death Metal combined with Metalcore" rather then than the ?New Wave of Progressive Death Metal? because actually there is a whole movement of Progressive Death Metal that is completely on its own and sounds very different from these bands. For example bands like Atheist (the very first Progressive Death Metal band), Augury, Disillusion, Cynic and Continuo Renacer or even to some extent the band Sleep Terror are all highly known for their Progressive styling Death Metal that do not resemble the aforementioned bands in the slightest.

Also I would like to point out I am not bashing the bands on that list, for example I actually enjoy the band Glass Casket, despite that they are almost purely Metalcore even though I really do not enjoy the genre they just are not really Death Metal is all.

Anyways, I got to this before Jake... hmm wonder if he will have anything to say after what I have said.

[Jakehammaren]

^^^:laugh: Nope, I think you pretty much covered everything (although I don't think I'd consider Psyopus death metal, but I don't really care).

[Amorphous]

[quote name='Jakehammaren']^^^:laugh: Nope, I think you pretty much covered everything (although I don't think I'd consider Psyopus death metal, but I don't really care).[/quote]Psyopus is techincally Technical Death/Grind and.. technically as far as bands like that go.. pretty bad at what they do.

[Justin]

I was including deathcore bands in the 'New Wave of Progressive Death Metal'. In fact, I was mostly talking about deathcore bands altogether. I guess I should've more specific about that, as the differences between the two are, in fact, very well known to me.

I also thought yesterday of a much better title for the movement I'm trying to nail down: Simply "New Wave Death Metal". My reason for not elaborating on that moniker anymore than I do is simple. There's no real way for me to hit the whole wave by tagging 'metalcore' or 'core' in general in there. There's so much more to it, which is why I left 'deathcore' out of my original post.

But neither of you even came close to the question I posed. So I'll rephrase it: What do you think of the recent emergence of this whole gang of bands influenced heavily by death metal, but drawing heavily on other influences as well(ie: hardcore). Basically, though clearly I failed in communicating this, this is a question of purist v. nonpurist.

PS: Go listen to With Blood Comes Cleansing. You're mistaken.

-Justin

[Billy Shears]

[COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]Well, I know [B]Mastodon[/B] isn't death metal, but it's progressive metal. Their riffs and time signatures are really complex. I just wish their screaming was better. I think if they were an instrumental band, they would be amazing.

Another crazy tech/grind band is the [B]Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza[/B], and yes, that is their name. The riffs are so technical and impossible to play, let alone understand, that they deserve more credit than they get.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Amorphous]

[QUOTE=Kam]I also thought yesterday of a much better title for the movement I'm trying to nail down: Simply "New Wave Death Metal". My reason for not elaborating on that moniker anymore than I do is simple. There's no real way for me to hit the whole wave by tagging 'metalcore' or 'core' in general in there. There's so much more to it, which is why I left 'deathcore' out of my original post.

But neither of you even came close to the question I posed. So I'll rephrase it: What do you think of the recent emergence of this whole gang of bands influenced heavily by death metal, but drawing heavily on other influences as well(ie: hardcore). Basically, though clearly I failed in communicating this, this is a question of purist v. nonpurist.

PS: Go listen to With Blood Comes Cleansing. You're mistaken.

-Justin[/QUOTE]No we just had not bothered to answer it at that time, I should have answered it but I got carried away.

What I personally think of the scene is that it is tainting Death Metal, giving it a bad name and other bands similar to what they play a bad name. I have no problem with hybrid styles but so far most of these bands do it... well in my own opinion obviously, wrong and mediocre. Also I find it mostly cliché and boring polished music that comes a little bit short of showing signs of originality. I also despise most Metalcore, so for them to add Death Metal influences I would have thought that it would have been an improvement but for the most part it is not even close.

I am not though in your question as you state it a ?purist?. I listen to many different forms of Death Metal and sub-genres of it or just other music that incorporates Death metal into the music. I am though with answering this question being very biased, despite my very open views towards music, which I cannot help but this is what I believe this new scene is doing.

Oh yes, With Blood Comes Cleansing, what do you mean I am wrong? I am wrong in saying that they are just clear cut Death Metal?

[Justin]

Yeah. Look them up on Myspace. I'm guessing you're confusing them with someone, as they are very much like Through the Eyes of the Dead--catchy deathcore.

I recognize what you're saying about most deathcore a being mediocre dumbing-down of death metal. If I didn't like hardcore, perhaps if I hadn't come to metal via hardcore, I likely wouldn't like deathcore, either. But I suppose that's just a line at which opinion makes the difference.

-Justin

[Amorphous]

Indeed and I am not insulting your taste or attacking you on this, that is just my opinion on Deathcore. I just never understood the appeal of core music myself is all, I came into metal through Black Metal and Thrash Metal myself.

Other then that there are some decent bands on that list to say the least, just not the Deathcore bands.. minus Glass Casket.