Plastic Surgery - Controversial or not?

[Pumpkin]

[SIZE=1]Everyone has seen or heard about plastic surgery. Either from a friend or on a plastic surgery show like Dr. 90210. Anyways, more people are considering having cosmetic surgery every day, what use to seem controversial has now become part of our culture. However, that may be different depending on the community.

My question is what are your thoughts on plastic surgery? How have they changed over the years, if at all? What does most people in your community think (ex: L.A it might be more popular meaning more people think positively on it)? Would you ever consider cosmetic surgery? Why or why not? and have you ever known someone to go under the knife?

My personal opinion is I use to think badly upon people like that, such as "Why would you do that to yourself?" but honestly, my view has changed dramastically. If someone wants to change their body, then I suppose they should have the right to do so, no matter what anyone thinks or says.

In my community, I suppose people would have mixed feelings on it, the same as I do. As far as would I consider cosmetic surgery is also something I don't think I could anwser. I guess if there was a time that I felt like I needed it, but I doubt I could because of all the needles involved. Right now, I'm satisfied with who I am and what I look like. I've never known anyone to go under the knife though, although I do kind of find cosmetic surgery interesting to learn about.[/SIZE]

[vegeta rocker]

If a person goes to a respectable plastic surgeon there is a counselor that speaks with the client first. Some people are obvious candidates, especially those involved in accidents.

But some people hinge too much on such a thing, if a girl thinks she will be the most popular girl she knows by getting surgey and that obviously doesnt happen; the effect could be terrible.

In my personal opinion if you don't need it don't get it. Scar removal is one thing, but pulling or stuffing your body like its a christmas stocking? Not for me.

Like Tara Reid, when her dress slipped and everyone saw her boob, it was lumpy and disfigured from plastic surgery, just like her stomach.

Why risk hurting yourself over a chest or a stomach thats fine?

[Albert Flasher]

[COLOR=Sienna]Personally, I could never imagine having plastic surgery. For several reasons; one, I don't care enough about my appearance to actually want it 'improved' by outside intervention. Two, I hate hospitals and surgery and things of that nature, so I'd never go under the knife if I didn't have to.

But as for do I condone it? Well, I've got nothing againts it. If someone feels like doing something like that to their body just because they try to make themselves look more normal, then, well, I can't stop ya. Don't see the logic behind it myself.[/COLOR]

[Panda]

My opinion on plastic surgery hasn't changed over time. I feel like it is fine if it is for reconstructive purposes. There was a plastic surgery show on the other day that I watched since the woman's story was heartbreaking. Her ex-boyfriend shot and killed her mother in front of her then shot her in the face with a .45. She, obviously, survived but lost her eye, nose and the upper portion of her jaw. She needed to have the surgery so she could do the normal things in life...like eat and breathe.

Now I support this type of surgery 100%. As well as those who get breast implants after breast cancer, scar removal after a terrible injury...that sort of thing. Getting stuff done just for vanities sake is, well, just that - vain. I would love to loose my "love handles" but I am going to lose them by diet and exercise, not by cutting them away.

I have a pretty big scar on the top of my right hand after I had a finger amputated and it's pretty ugly but I'm not going to go under the knife again just to remove it. I've lived with it for this long and it doesn't effect the quality of my life so why bother? In the end it comes down to the person who is having the work done. It's your life, it's your money.

[Sho Ayori]

Personally, I dislike plastic surgery in almost ever aspect. I would never consider having it done, and I don't see why so many celebrities decide to go through with it just because they 'Want to look good, or younger'. I find those excuses pathetic. However, in the circumstances, like Panda mentioned, if something has left you disfigured and you need the operation to survive, then I back it up. But seeing people have it done just for the hell of it is, in my opinion, inexcusable.

[Sara]

[quote name='Sho Ayori']if something has left you disfigured and you need the operation to survive, then I back it up. But seeing people have it done just for the hell of it is, in my opinion, inexcusable.[/quote][color=#b0000b][size=1]Yikes. What's the harm? From what do these people need to be [i]excused[/i]?[/size][/color]

[Horendithas]

[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]Well it may be controversial for just changing your appearance, but like Panda mentioned, the things they can do with plastic surgery for people who have been injured is downright amazing.

As for doing it just to change your appearance, it depends on what they want and why. I can see someone who?s small and has a very full figure wanting to go a little smaller. Or say your nose is kind of big, and by big I mean obviously so. Getting things like that done I don?t see an issue as they aren?t huge modifications to how the person really looks. And on some level, I would imagine there is some comfort involved, at least with the first example.

But the ones where they are obsessed with looking younger and such, that in my opinion is just stupid. Though it?s their money I suppose and they are entitled to spend it however they please.

I suppose you could look at it this way, the demand for plastic surgery just keeps advancing the techniques, so even though some of it isn?t really necessary, those who really need it benefit from the constant improvements being made. So in the end everyone wins. [/COLOR]

[Adahn]

[size=2]Well, I don't think my girlfriend will get it for cosmetic purposes, and neither will I, so on a personal level it's kind of a non-issue.[/size]
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[size=2]As for the rest of it, reconstructive surgery is absolutely fine.[/size]
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[size=2]It's a shame anyone would get plastic surgery to improve their appearance. All that tells me is that we put too much stress on beauty in our society. Plastic surgery is the new girdle. Women died from girdles, and now they die from plastic surgery. Men have to deal with it, also, but I think my blanket statement of "Women get plastic surgery (not reconstructive) more often than men" holds true.[/size]
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[size=2]So long as unnatural beauty is valuable to us, people will get plastic surgery. Women [i]do[/i] benefit from it in our society. Personally, I'd like to see more of a stigma attached to beauty gained through pain. I'd like people who get plastic surgery to look better to feel shame. Maybe then we could begin to move away from it towards a future where men and women can value each other and themselves on things more important than appearance.[/size]
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[DeadSeraphim]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial]I'm fine with cosmetic surgery. No, really - like drinking, smoking, and anal sex, it's one of those things consenting adults can get done that doesn't affect me in the slightest. I don't see why people are so up in arms about it in this thread, honestly - it's not like the government is funding the operations. These people pay for cosmetic surgery out of their own pockets, afterall, so it's not like it even has a bearing on your tax dollars. In fact, I daresay it doesn't concern you at all.

Besides which, you're all assuming people only get cosmetic surgery for vanity reasons, which simply isn't true. A lot of people get cosmetic surgery to help their confidence - many women get breast enlargement surgery because they feel inadequate, for example. Sure, you could tell them to suck it up and accept they have small tits, but how does that help their confidence? They don't feel good even if they do accept their small breasts, and their confidence suffers as a result.

Cosmetic surgery isn't evil, kids. It's just one more thing consenting adults have the freedom to do as they please, and no matter their reasoning, I don't think anyone has the right to judge them for it.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Adahn]

[QUOTE=DeadSeraphim][color=indigo][size=1][font=Arial]In fact, I daresay it doesn't concern you at all.

Besides which, you're all assuming people only get cosmetic surgery for vanity reasons, which simply isn't true.

Cosmetic surgery isn't evil, kids. It's just one more thing consenting adults have the freedom to do as they please, and no matter their reasoning, I don't think anyone has the right to judge them for it.[/font][/size][/color][/QUOTE]
[size=2]I think other people getting cosmetic surgery does concern me. What if I don't want my kids growing up in a society where artificial beauty gained through pain is lauded? If there's anything I can (reasonably) do to turn our society away from cosmetic surgery, I will do it. It is my right and privelige to try to shape the world in such a way that it will allow my future children to grow up happy, with self-respect and confidence.[/size]
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[size=2]Vanity is one reason for cosmetic surgery. I also stated that in our society, unnatural beauty has its benefits, but perhaps I must elucidate. Women will get better jobs, attract richer, better husbands, and get all sorts of priveliges in our society from plastic surgery. It has a societal value. Ideally, I would have plastic surgery devalued (besides for reconstruction).[/size]
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[size=2]You're right, we don't have the right to judge people for their decisions, but I still think plastic surgery is wrong. I think it's disgusting, and I find it extremely unattractive. It's almost as unattractive as smoking. Whether it's evil or not doesn't matter to me. I think we would all be better off if non-reconstructive plastic surgery was made irrelevant by a change in our society's paradigm.[/size]

[DeadSeraphim]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][quote name='Adahn][size=2']I think other people getting cosmetic surgery does concern me. What if I don't want my kids growing up in a society where artificial beauty gained through pain is lauded? If there's anything I can (reasonably) do to turn our society away from cosmetic surgery, I will do it. It is my right and privelige to try to shape the world in such a way that it will allow my future children to grow up happy, with self-respect and confidence.[/size][/quote]
Except your kids wouldn't. Cosmetic surgery isn't a sweeping epidemic, it's a decision undertaken by the vast minority who want it to feel better about themselves, or get ahead, or whatever. And besides, ever notice how the actresses most praised for their beauty have no cosmetic surgery whatsoever? Nicole Kidman springs to mind immediately, but when society still holds Audrey Hepburn up as the most beautiful woman of all time, I think it's indicative of how baseless your argument is.

Society doesn't hold aloft beauty gained through pain, in fact if gossip tabloids have anything to say, it's that the average person is genuinely shocked when a celebrity gets cosmetic surgery, and decries it - even something as irrelevant as a boob job. Your argument that cosmetic surgery erodes society's perception of beauty is deeply flawed, bro.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Aaryanna]

[COLOR=DarkOrchid]I?m not sure I understand why people get upset over someone else having plastic surgery. For one thing, they pay for it themselves so it?s not like taxes or other revenue that comes out of your pocket is paying for it. Sure it?s a permanent change, but so are getting things like tattoos. You can reverse both of them, but at a cost, though plastic surgery I?m sure is harder to reverse than getting rid of a tattoo.

As a society we do all sorts of things every single day that alter our appearance, we wear make up, clothes, jewelry and all sorts of things that change our appearance on a regular basis. The only big difference I see here is that this is a change that is more permanent. And in all honesty, doesn?t really affect you at all. If I were to have my nose changed, your life would continue and not be impacted by it. (Not that I?m going to do that, I?m just using myself as an example)

Besides how DeadSeraphim mentioned some women get breast implants also brings to mind how I?ve seen shows where women who were very full figured had reductions. How can we fault them for wanting something like that? In one case, the woman was so full figured that just wearing a bra gave her a backache. >_< And she wasn?t fat or had other issues, so changing that aspect of her appearance not only made her feel better about herself, but did away with the simple act of wearing clothes being uncomfortable.

So though it?s something I do not plan on doing, I see no reason why others can?t. I may think it?s a bit stupid to try and look younger than you are by having plastic surgery to remove all the wrinkles when you are much older, but then I would have to say people who dye their hair to cover up the gray are stupid too as it?s the same principle. Or what about those who use cosmetics to help reduce wrinkles on their face? Should we condemn them too for trying to alter their appearance?

I guess I just don?t understand why people care if others have plastic surgery. [/COLOR]

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Adahn][size=2]I think other people getting cosmetic surgery does concern me. What if I don't want my kids growing up in a society where artificial beauty gained through pain is lauded? If there's anything I can (reasonably) do to turn our society away from cosmetic surgery, I will do it. It is my right and privelige to try to shape the world in such a way that it will allow my future children to grow up happy, with self-respect and confidence.[/size]
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[size=2]Vanity is one reason for cosmetic surgery. I also stated that in our society, unnatural beauty has its benefits, but perhaps I must elucidate. Women will get better jobs, attract richer, better husbands, and get all sorts of priveliges in our society from plastic surgery. It has a societal value. Ideally, I would have plastic surgery devalued (besides for reconstruction).[/size]
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[size=2]You're right, we don't have the right to judge people for their decisions, but I still think plastic surgery is wrong. I think it's disgusting, and I find it extremely unattractive. It's almost as unattractive as smoking. Whether it's evil or not doesn't matter to me. I think we would all be better off if non-reconstructive plastic surgery was made irrelevant by a change in our society's paradigm.[/size][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Feel free to raise your children the way you see fit. The way i see it though, plastic surgery is a right. We have a right to change our own bodies the way we see fit. I have no problem with society putting value on beauty, it helps to be physically attracted to your mate after all.
Appearance is something all people should care about to an extent.

I believe that if you like the way you look you'll naturally enjoy life and have much greater self confidence than if you disliked the way you look. Though i do think that it is too easy nowadays, due to our culture, to consider one's self as ugly...especially for women. It is a shame that it's so easy to hate the way you look...but now there are ways to get around that. Cosmetic surgery is probably the most extreme measure to gain a positive opinion of one's self, but if it's an option or the only option then i say go for it.

I personally don't understand how you can think plastic surgery is unattractive. If you saw a beautiful woman in front of you and were not sure if she had any form of cosmetic surgery done on her would you simply confess that she's possibly pretty? If you were to later discover that she indeed did have plastic surgery done on herself, would you consider her unattractive?

I believe that physical beauty isn't enough to truly consider a person beautiful. They also have to be beautiful in the mind.

Ugh, i don't feel like writing anymore.

Later.
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[Adahn]

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[font=Arial][size=1][color=#4b0082]Except your kids wouldn't. Cosmetic surgery isn't a sweeping epidemic, it's a decision undertaken by the vast minority who want it to feel better about themselves, or get ahead, or whatever. And besides, ever notice how the actresses most praised for their beauty have no cosmetic surgery whatsoever? Nicole Kidman springs to mind immediately, but when society still holds Audrey Hepburn up as the most beautiful woman of all time, I think it's indicative of how baseless your argument is.[/quote][/color][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=1][color=#4b0082][font=Tahoma][size=2][color=black]I never said anything about appearance improved through plastic surgery being better than natural beauty. I'll use a metaphor to describe what you've done with the above statement. You squatted over the floor, and emptied your bowels upon it. You then proceeded to argue with your new creation, and found something flawed in its argument. The next time you pull something it out of your ***, please don't hold it out to me and say, "Here, this is yours."[/color][/size][/font]



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Society doesn't hold aloft beauty gained through pain, in fact if gossip tabloids have anything to say, it's that the average person is genuinely shocked when a celebrity gets cosmetic surgery, and decries it - even something as irrelevant as a boob job. Your argument that cosmetic surgery erodes society's perception of beauty is deeply flawed, bro.[/quote][/color][/size][/font]
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[size=2][color=black]My argument is that cosmetic surgery erodes society's perception of beauty? Wow, I wasn't aware of that! I thought my argument was that our society's flawed perception of beauty is what created plastic surgery, something I wish was socially irrelevant and worthless.[/color][/size]
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[size=2]Here's a little story, and it's true. A woman has been working at a company for a while, so she's getting older. She feels that she needs a facelift to keep looking young, so that she won't get passed over for advancement opportunities by people who are younger than she is. In order to succeed at her job, she needs to meet society's standard of beauty, which requires her to get plastic surgery to succeed. From where I'm sitting, this looks like a pretty bad deal, and I wish crap like this didn't happen.[/size]
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[size=2]Aaryanna, I consider breast reduction in the case where the weight causes physical pain not to be cosmetic surgery, though a more proportional figure may be a side effect of the operation. I'm not mad at the people who get cosmetic surgery, and I don't hold it against them. I only wish that there was no reason for them to get it in the first place, and it is for that reason that I take a stand against it.[/size]
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[size=2]T13M. Plastic surgery makes physical attraction meaningless. Things men and women find attractive about each other often have something to do with fertility. If you take the biology out of sexual attraction, then beauty becomes irrelevant. So, all the people who shouldn't be breeding are breeding, and those who should be breeding are breeding with the wrong people. This will ultimately result in everybody being ugly and infertile.[/size]
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[size=2]*note* If this offends you, then I'm joking. If it doesn't, then I'm not.[/size]
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[size=2]If I saw a beautiful woman in front of me, my first impression would be that, well, she's really hot. If I found out that she smoked, then she becomes less attractive than an 80 year old who doesn't. If I found out she had plastic surgery, it would lower her in my eyes. I might still admire her, but I wouldn't want to touch her.[/size]
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[size=2]For me, if I really get to know someone, physical beauty becomes less relevant. Two girls I was studying with wanted to know which of them was cuter, and I honestly couldn't say. It wasn't because I didn't want to hurt one of their feelings, it was because once I knew them, I couldn't easily separate their personality from my perception of them. Once you really look at someone for who they are, you can't go back to knowing nothing about them and seeing them only physically. Or, at least, I can't.[/size]

[The13thMan]

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[size=2]If I saw a beautiful woman in front of me, my first impression would be that, well, she's really hot. If I found out that she smoked, then she becomes less attractive than an 80 year old who doesn't. [/QUOTE]
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]Hehe, you're more attracted to 80 year old women.

You be silly.

And i really dislike the way you try to analyze all of human nature through science. It rather annoys me. I knew somebody that did that once....you remind me of her. I don't talk to her anymore.

Later.
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[Raiyuu]

[quote name='Adahn']I'll use a metaphor to describe what you've done with the above statement. You squatted over the floor, and emptied your bowels upon it. You then proceeded to argue with your new creation, and found something flawed in its argument. The next time you pull something it out of your ***, please don't hold it out to me and say, "Here, this is yours."[/quote][FONT=Trebuchet MS]That was an image I think we could [b]all[/b] have done without. Besides, historically, using analogies and metaphors in OB debates always ends in confusion, misunderstandings, endless clarifications, and eventually tears and tantrums.

I think it comes down to this: cosmetic surgery for non-reconstructive purposes is not something I necessarily agree with, and it's certainly not something I'd ever consider doing to myself; looking objectively, however, I can empathise with the reasoning behind it, which allows me not to get judgey with people.

There's a marked change in the wind coming anyway, at least in the UK. Models whose Body Mass Index is below World Health Organisation standards are being banned from catwalks; a recent survey showed that 'normal, healthy-looking models' are actually more effective at selling products. People seem to have noticed that filling magazines with unnatural beauty gained through excessive dieting or surgery is detrimental to public body image - and that rake-thin-with-botox-frozen-face is totally last year, and not attractive in the least.[/FONT]

[Adahn]

[font=Verdana][size=2]I'd rather kiss a grandma than get a mouthful of ashes from a hot smoker. I'm attracted to neither, just less repulsed by the old woman.[/size][/font]
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[font=Verdana][size=2]As for the broad scientific analysis of human nature, it was meant to be a joke. I don't know anybody who takes everything people say seriously, but if I met someone like that, I probably wouldn't enjoy talking to them.[/size][/font]
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[font=Verdana][size=2]Oh, Raiyuu, I thought it was amusing and descriptive, but for you, I'll soften my posts with a little literary laxative. From what you've said, I suppose we're moving in the right direction. That makes me happy :D [/size][/font]

[mangamaniack21]

Personally, I also belive that plastic surgery is good for reconstruction. Otherwise, if you are not injured and you would be doing this just to enhance your image then I would be against it. Some people look really scary after undergoing plastic surgery yet they are still satifyes with the resulkts even though most people are not. I'd defintely age naturally instead of going under the knife. I wouold never do that because it almost never turns out well in my opinion. So, I am against this.

[The13thMan]

[QUOTE=Adahn][font=Verdana][size=2]I'd rather kiss a grandma than get a mouthful of ashes from a hot smoker. I'm attracted to neither, just less repulsed by the old woman.[/size][/font]
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[font=Verdana][size=2]As for the broad scientific analysis of human nature, it was meant to be a joke. I don't know anybody who takes everything people say seriously, but if I met someone like that, I probably wouldn't enjoy talking to them.[/size][/font]
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[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You'd rather kiss grandma, therefore you're more attracted to grandma. You silly silly man...

STAY AWAY FROM MY GRANDMOTHER!

And as for the science stuff....you really are a horrible comedian. You can't expect somebody to take something as a joke when you speak of it so seriously. It's not like i can hear your voice and recognize your sarcasm. And if it were a joke...you gotta know when to let it go, you rode it out too long.

Are you implying that i have no sense of humor?

Oh deer.

Later.


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[2010DigitalBoy]

[QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]You'd rather kiss grandma, therefore you're more attracted to grandma. You silly silly man...

STAY AWAY FROM MY GRANDMOTHER!

And as for the science stuff....you really are a horrible comedian. You can't expect somebody to take something as a joke when you speak of it so seriously. It's not like i can hear your voice and recognize your sarcasm. And if it were a joke...you gotta know when to let it go, you rode it out too long.

Are you implying that i have no sense of humor?

Oh deer.

Later.


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[COLOR=DarkOrange]You DON'T have a sense of humor (as you've proven time and again)... OR even remedial intelligence judging by your opening statement... plus, this is WAY off topic.

Anyway, I think people should have the right to do whatever they want to their body. I'm not just saying that because I want to see more fake breasts either, because personally I am repulsed by them. People who do to much to their bodies (fakes, zombies, celebrities, etc.) just come off as shallow to me. Don't get me wrong though, I am shallow as well. If a totally ugly girl can make herself cute, thumbs-up, I don't mind, I'd even date her. So... I guess my hypocritical opinion is mute.

Angelina Jolie creeps me out... end of story.[/COLOR]

[Adahn]

[size=2]I am not in any place to tell people to do or not do something with their own bodies.[/size]
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[size=2]It's a shame, though, when people feel forced to change their bodies to conform to societal requirements for advancing in a job, attracting a husband/wife, or fitting into a certain group.[/size]
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[size=2]Oh dear, I feel a metaphor coming on.[/size]
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[size=2]I don't blame the dog for chewing through its own leg to escape a bear trap, but I wish it didn't have to make the decision in the first place.[/size]
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[size=2]Our society's infatuation with a certain kind of beauty (natural or unnatural) is the bear trap, and the people who need to mutilate themselves through plastic surgery to escape the ramifications of 'ugliness' are the dogs chewing their legs off.[/size]
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[size=2]I don't support cosmetic surgery because I know that my sentiments may lay another trap on the ground for someone else to step in.[/size]
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[Gavin]

[SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting.

Seeing as I think most of us accept there's absolutely no way you could oppose reconstructive surgery, I'm just going to skip that side of the argument and move straight on the cosmetic surgery. To be honest I don't think there's really anything wrong with cosmetic surgery so long as it's not taken to an extreme degree, if a woman wants to augment her breasts to make herself feel better, I've nothing really against it. But if someone goes to a plastic surgeon regularly to change stuff about them that could be remedied without surgery then I think that is taking it too far. That kind of dependency shows a truly vain person, but then society is vain so maybe it's not their fault, we all like to look good.

As I said, it's a personal choice, but I think surgeons need to be able to say no for the benefit of the patient in the face of business.[/SIZE]

[Retribution]

[quote name='Raiyuu][FONT=Trebuchet MS']There's a marked change in the wind coming anyway, at least in the UK. Models whose Body Mass Index is below World Health Organisation standards are being banned from catwalks; a recent survey showed that 'normal, healthy-looking models' are actually more effective at selling products. People seem to have noticed that filling magazines with unnatural beauty gained through excessive dieting or surgery is detrimental to public body image - and that rake-thin-with-botox-frozen-face is totally last year, and not attractive in the least.[/FONT][/quote]
[size=1]I agree with the idea, I don't agree with what happened.

That aside, I generally think plastic surgery is fine. It's your body, do what you will with it. However, it pisses me off when people become obese, then get plastic surgery to get the pounds off. If you didn't want to be fat, don't be a glutton.

[quote name='2006DigitalBoy][COLOR=DarkOrange']You DON'T have a sense of humor (as you've proven time and again)... OR even remedial intelligence judging by your opening statement... plus, this is WAY off topic.[/COLOR][/quote]
Simmer down, lol. No need to toss around insults here.

[QUOTE][COLOR=DarkOrange]Angelina Jolie creeps me out... end of story.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
This means war. No quarter will be given.[/size]

[captain linda]

I have different views on plastic surgery, actually. For those that wish to have plastic surgery just to make themselves look nice really quickly, you're putting your body on the line for pretty bad reasons. However, I believe that those who have disfigured faces, such as a birth defect that isn't their fault and makes them medically hadicapped, are acceptable for plastic surgery. To my view, there's a good reason and a bad reason for considering plastic surgery. When some people say "plastic surgery", many think of people wanting to get rid of "all that flab hanging out", or slight differences on their nose that they just can't accept as being part of their look that makes them individual. They don't take into consideration that plastic surgery is also for the unfortunate that would rather have a slightly disfigured face than keeping their cleft palate.