Albert Flasher Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 [COLOR=Sienna]More and more I'm finding that it's impossible to get good food any more. Everything that used to be good and tasty has been replaced by terrible, crappy 'healthy alternatives.' Now, I respect that some people like to eat terrible-tasting food for whatever reason, but more and more it's not becomg an 'alternative,' it's becoming the rule. And the worst part, to me, is that it's not just the food billed as health-food that's being effected. Companies realise that they can make a terrible, cheap product and, as long as it's got the '0 Trans Fats' logo on it, they get away with it. Take Doritos, for example. Doritos used to be awesome. You could come home from a long day at school, sit down in front of the TV with a bag of Doritos in hand, and just forget all your troubles; now, Doritos have become sickly, stale, pale triangles of terribleness. Ritz crackers are the same way, they're absolutely terrible now. It's really, really depressing. I respect that some people don't want to eat food that's bad for you, and it's really annoying that my own personal decisions - that taste > health - is not being respected. Has anyone else noticed the incredible drop in quality of junk foods recently, under the guise of health-food?[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [COLOR=SeaGreen][FONT=Times New Roman]Yeah, those new weirdo bars are pretty nasty. I can't see why people aren't happy with moderately "healthy" stuff that tastes at least ok. They're probably like that old guy on the mouthwash commercial - "The burn says it's working!"[/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='HedonismBot][color=Sienna']It's really, really depressing. I respect that some people don't want to eat food that's bad for you, and it's really annoying that my own personal decisions - that taste > health - is not being respected.[/color][/quote] And the world just keeps on a-spinnin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horendithas Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [COLOR=darkred]I guess it depends on your definition of good. I don?t really eat a lot of the foods you have mentioned so I haven?t really noticed the trend that you are mentioning. I am a bit of a health food person, but I tend to avoid the main stores like Wal-Mart and shop at smaller health food stores where when you walk in the door you expect to find the more healthy stuff as that?s what they sell. And though I would argue that such stuff is unhealthy, at the same time I would also argue that a person should have the right to choose. Or at the very least still have some of their original choices instead of outright removal of everything. Considering how easy it is to find food that isn?t really healthy for you, fussing over snack and junk food doesn?t really change people?s eating habits in the long run. I would also imagine that part of the problem might be where one lives as well. Since I live in the State Capital, I have no problem finding what I want. Where my parents who live in a smaller town often have to drive elsewhere if they want a bigger selection of goods. Either unhealthy or healthy for that matter. [/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I haven't been much of anywhere where the "crappy" food has been replaced. There's generally a selection and more often than not I honestly have to say a vast majority of a menu anywhere leans pretty heavily towards unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubei Yagyou Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [quote name='HedonismBot][COLOR=Sienna']More and more I'm finding that it's impossible to get good food any more. Everything that used to be good and tasty has been replaced by terrible, crappy 'healthy alternatives.' Now, I respect that some people like to eat terrible-tasting food for whatever reason, but more and more it's not becomg an 'alternative,' it's becoming the rule.[/COLOR][/quote] I don't see how "good" food has changed. Taking out trans fat is one of the best things the food market has done. Our bodies aren't made to digest that kind of thing, and there are numerous health risks involved in eating trans fats. [QUOTE=HedonismBot][COLOR=Sienna]And the worst part, to me, is that it's not just the food billed as health-food that's being effected. Companies realise that they can make a terrible, cheap product and, as long as it's got the '0 Trans Fats' logo on it, they get away with it. Take Doritos, for example. Doritos used to be awesome. You could come home from a long day at school, sit down in front of the TV with a bag of Doritos in hand, and just forget all your troubles; now, Doritos have become sickly, stale, pale triangles of terribleness. Ritz crackers are the same way, they're absolutely terrible now. It's really, really depressing. I respect that some people don't want to eat food that's bad for you, and it's really annoying that my own personal decisions - that taste > health - is not being respected.[/COLOR][/QUOTE] It actually is less cost-effective to have no trans-fatty acids, because they now rely on oils that have more digestible fats that are more expensive. But hey, if those stale non-trans fat doritos are getting in the way of your food binge, just dip them in lard. Nice, pure, lard. That will make you feel allllllll better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWolf Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [COLOR=maroon]Just a side note, most foods listed as "no trans" fat are lying: the rule is that as long as your serving size (which the creator of the product can choose) has a trans fat content of less than 0.5 g, then you can round down to zero. So basically, you can pick a serving size such that the t-fat content is 0.45 g and voila, a zero trans-fat food product. Also, I haven't had any trouble with the diversity and power of ice cream (my one f###ing weakness), and in fact, the flavors and creativity keep on 'a comin'.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSeraphim Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [QUOTE=HedonismBot][COLOR=Sienna]More and more I'm finding that it's impossible to get good food any more. Everything that used to be good and tasty has been replaced by terrible, crappy 'healthy alternatives.' Now, I respect that some people like to eat terrible-tasting food for whatever reason, but more and more it's not becomg an 'alternative,' it's becoming the rule. And the worst part, to me, is that it's not just the food billed as health-food that's being effected. Companies realise that they can make a terrible, cheap product and, as long as it's got the '0 Trans Fats' logo on it, they get away with it. Take Doritos, for example. Doritos used to be awesome. You could come home from a long day at school, sit down in front of the TV with a bag of Doritos in hand, and just forget all your troubles; now, Doritos have become sickly, stale, pale triangles of terribleness. Ritz crackers are the same way, they're absolutely terrible now. It's really, really depressing. I respect that some people don't want to eat food that's bad for you, and it's really annoying that my own personal decisions - that taste > health - is not being respected. Has anyone else noticed the incredible drop in quality of junk foods recently, under the guise of health-food?[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]Welcome to being a minority. While the rest of the world (quite rightly) wants to eat healthier, you want to keep eating junk and expanding outward, and that's fine - but companies don't care about the minority, and would rather pander to the majority, in this case the health concscious types who don't want to be eating transfats in their doritos. So you have two choices here, man: Suck it up and eat junkfood that isn't as bad for you as it used to be (the horror!), or stop eating junkfood. [I] Decisions, decisions.[/I][/font][/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
only1specialed Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [QUOTE=DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]Welcome to being a minority. While the rest of the world (quite rightly) wants to eat healthier, you want to keep eating junk and expanding outward, and that's fine - but companies don't care about the minority, and would rather pander to the majority, in this case the health concscious types who don't want to be eating transfats in their doritos. So you have two choices here, man: Suck it up and eat junkfood that isn't as bad for you as it used to be (the horror!), or stop eating junkfood. [I] Decisions, decisions.[/I][/font][/color][/size][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=4] [FONT=Impact]Man you crack me up. :animesmil gotta keep it real ya mean(sorry my ghetto side comes out sometimes :animeswea ) Hey just be happy were not eating soylent green or soylent cola. :animeswea If your not happy with Dorritos why not try eating some other type of chips or different flavors and stuff. i myself dont like eating that much junkfood.(i.e. chips, soda, and other small snacks) but i cant help eating at junkfood restaurants. That food has always tasted the same to me. (sometimes better than normal.) I really dont taste a difference when i ate any of the food though.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [SIZE=1]Interesting, most interesting. Honestly I don't eat enough junk food to notice a decline, nor to be honest am I sorry that finally the corporations that are producing these foods are finally trying a healthier approach. Seriously, I have never understood why junk food is supposed to taste so much better than a normal good meal, it doesn't even have to be one of these "health food" ones.[/SIZE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The13thMan Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [QUOTE=HedonismBot][COLOR=Sienna]More and more I'm finding that it's impossible to get good food any more. Everything that used to be good and tasty has been replaced by terrible, crappy 'healthy alternatives.' Now, I respect that some people like to eat terrible-tasting food for whatever reason, but more and more it's not becomg an 'alternative,' it's becoming the rule. And the worst part, to me, is that it's not just the food billed as health-food that's being effected. Companies realise that they can make a terrible, cheap product and, as long as it's got the '0 Trans Fats' logo on it, they get away with it. Take Doritos, for example. Doritos used to be awesome. You could come home from a long day at school, sit down in front of the TV with a bag of Doritos in hand, and just forget all your troubles; now, Doritos have become sickly, stale, pale triangles of terribleness. Ritz crackers are the same way, they're absolutely terrible now. It's really, really depressing. I respect that some people don't want to eat food that's bad for you, and it's really annoying that my own personal decisions - that taste > health - is not being respected. Has anyone else noticed the incredible drop in quality of junk foods recently, under the guise of health-food?[/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I think you're being a little silly. In no way are they not respecting your decision that taste is more important than health. They're not forcing you to eat health food, and if you want you can sure as hell find horrible junk food anywhere you want. Think of it this way, it'd be much harder to be a health food fanatic than a junk food fanatic. Almost all food in stores are bad for you. You really gotta go to a health food place to get any decent health food. In other words, if i want something healthy i gotta drive an extra hour to the nearest health food joint to get anything decent. Personally, i think it's horrible the way the food industry is nowadays. Most food is packed full of sugar and all kinds of crap that causes America to be the fattest nation on the planet. It's absolutely ridiculous how many people are overweight. Now for some statistics!!! # 58% of men aged 20-34 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 67.6% of men aged 35-44 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 71.3% of men aged 45-54 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 72.5% of men aged 55-64 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 77.2% of men aged 65-74 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 51.5% of women aged 20-34 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 63.6% of women aged 35-44 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 64.7% of women aged 45-54 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 73.1% of women aged 55-64 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) # 70.1% of women aged 65-74 are overweight in the US 1999-2000 (Health United States, 2003, NCHS) Now here's a bit for Canada, our closest neighbors. # 14% of women overweight in Canada 1996/97 (Statistics Canada, National Population Health Survey, Health Canada, 1996/97) # 25% of men overweight in Canada 1996/97 (Statistics Canada, National Population Health Survey, Health Canada, 1996/97) Is the difference not ridiculous!? Argh, it sickens me. The recent health food trend is a great thing and i hope it continues. [/FONT][/COLOR] [QUOTE=DeadSeraphim][size=1][color=indigo][font=arial]Welcome to being a minority. While the rest of the world (quite rightly) wants to eat healthier, you want to keep eating junk and expanding outward, and that's fine - but companies don't care about the minority, and would rather pander to the majority, in this case the health concscious types who don't want to be eating transfats in their doritos. So you have two choices here, man: Suck it up and eat junkfood that isn't as bad for you as it used to be (the horror!), or stop eating junkfood. [I] Decisions, decisions.[/I][/font][/color][/size][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]In no way is he a minority! OMG! Walk into a walmart and see how much junk food you see as apose to health food. You'll quickly see that he is indeed in the majority. The only difference from now and the past is a slight loss in the majority and a slight gain in the minority. I guess that's all it takes for some people to start complaining though... Oh, and check out my new avatar and signature! [/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visualkei Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hehe, I giggled a little reading your posts. Especially [B]The13thMan'[/B]s post up there. I can tell you like your junk food HedonismBot. As far as this decline in the "quality" of junk food, I don't know if "quality" is the right word for this. I know you're concerned about [I]taste[/I]. YES, I do taste the difference when it says something like 30% less fat or less sugar, it tastes crappy. But with trans fat, I think they're just using a different oils to cook the food. I was watching the news the other day about trans fat, and most companies don't want to sacrifice the taste. The only reason why they're using alternative ingredients is because there is a crapload of other people out there demanding these corporations to use healthier ingredients. Besides the general demand, people are suing restaurants and companies because they're overweight from supposedly just eating their food. It's just easier to change the ingredients than deal with health accusations. On a side note, all this sugar-free or less fat stuff usually contain the same amount of calories. Calories is what counts if you're trying to lose weight. Like The13thMan said, markets are still saturated with heart clogging foods out there. So there's still a wide selection of junk food available for your consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 [QUOTE=The13thMan][color=DarkOrange][font=Century Gothic]In no way is he a minority! OMG! Walk into a walmart and see how much junk food you see as apose to health food. You'll quickly see that he is indeed in the majority. The only difference from now and the past is a slight loss in the majority and a slight gain in the minority. I guess that's all it takes for some people to start complaining though...[/font][/color][/QUOTE] You're right that he's not a minority in the general realm of healthy/unhealthy eating, but he is when it comes to the actual [i]debate[/i] over the foods. The rest of us who eat crappy foods are content to do so with the acceptance of some products changing to suit a group of people who want to improve their health. In fact, Hedonismbot is probably the only person I've ever heard seriously complain about this. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The13thMan Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [quote name='John]You're right that he's not a minority in the general realm of healthy/unhealthy eating, but he is when it comes to the actual [i]debate[/i'] over the foods. The rest of us who eat crappy foods are content to do so with the acceptance of some products changing to suit a group of people who want to improve their health. In fact, Hedonismbot is probably the only person I've ever heard seriously complain about this. lol[/quote] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]What debate do you speak of? [/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [quote name='The13thMan][color=DarkOrange][font=Century Gothic]What debate do you speak of?[/font'][/color][/quote] The one over increasing amounts of health food. The one that didn't exist until he started it, thus putting himself in the minority. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShinje Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [color=crimson] I'm not sure what it is like in the states, but over here, obesity action groups are taking the fast food outlets to task for being purveyors of, well, fast food. These groups spend their time lobbying for government regulation on the way fast food outlets operate. It's simply ludicrous. It is the customers themselves whp responsible for their dietary habits, and the outlets are not. Targeting the fast food outlets and forcing them to change their menu, however small that change may be. Is a pointless, ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff solution. It's as bad as those people who grow morbidly obese because they live on McDonald's, and them sue McDonald's because they get fat. If it's your decision to go eat there all the time, then suffer the consequences. Same goes for soemthing like smoking. If I chose to smoke, for whatever reason. I wouldn't be suing Phillip Morris because they gave me lung cancer. That's why Super Size Me didn't phase me one bit. If you're stupid enough to eat nothing but McDonald's for 30 days, what do you expect will happen? :rolleyes:[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiyo Chan Fan Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 In my opinion, I do find that irritating. I can never get a super salty and buttery popcorn bag because all I can get are the "South Beach Diet" popcorn boxes and they taste like burnt stirofoam (yuck :p ) As I read more and more about the low fat items, I do start to realize that some of it does make sense but others are just a waste of valuable artery clogging goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaryanna Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 [COLOR=DarkOrchid]I haven?t noticed a change or reduction in junk food at all. In fact going to the stores just seems to be a junky food fest as the place is full of stuff that?s not good for you. Though to be fair I don?t eat Doritos so I wouldn?t know if they are different here too. Still as much as it?s your right to choose, I am not bothered by the food being changed to be more healthy. Besides if you give it time a lot of healthy food does taste good. And once you get use to it the fattening stuff tends to taste gross. But that?s probably just personal taste as I?m sure there are people who try it and even after a while they still don?t like the healthy food. [/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The13thMan Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 [QUOTE=Aaryanna][COLOR=DarkOrchid] Still as much as it?s your right to choose, I am not bothered by the food being changed to be more healthy. Besides if you give it time a lot of healthy food does taste good. And once you get use to it the fattening stuff tends to taste gross. But that?s probably just personal taste as I?m sure there are people who try it and even after a while they still don?t like the healthy food. [/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]I find that to be very true with myself. I used to love fast food. McDonalds! We're going to McDonalds, grwaaaahaaaa!?!?!!!! That was my response whenever my mom told us we'd get to eat out. But as a grew older we started going out to fast food joints less and less and we eventually stopped altogether for home cooked meals and eventually some health food, thanx to my dad. Now whenever i eat fast food i just feel disgusted afterwards. You just feel like crap. I try my very best to avoid...but being a college student it gets hella hard from time to time. Freegin' Krystals. I say down with fast food! And maybe candy corn too. ^L^ jk.... [/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 [quote name='Shinje][color=crimson'] I'm not sure what it is like in the states[/color][/quote] [color=crimson]Fat is 'in'. If you consider yourself even a little bit trendy I suggest you get going to McDonalds.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangamaniack21 Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hmm, there has been a lot of healthy food craze around where i live. People still eat so called junk food even though therre's this healthy food hype. At my school, we can't really have snacks anyway so it's hard to eat unhealthy before luch period comes. Still, they serve things like pizza which has a lot of fat in it. Also, people keep eating big macs and woppers so that they contain more fat. I eat a lot of junk food, so i shouldn't be talking. there's always haloween candy left ^_^. All the better to get hyper off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 [COLOR=#656446]Nah, I haven't noticed any drop in junk food quality (taste-wise) in this part of the world. We're not as anal about having healthy alternatives to every damn thing in the market. What we do have are multi-grain chips that are so rough, a handful will deaden the nerves on your tongue and make you want to stop eating, thus limiting your intake to the suggested serving size of approximately one handful. The bland American potato chip ain't a new thing, hon. They were tasteless right from the start. That's why you have them dips, right?[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestialcharm Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 [COLOR=DarkOrchid][FONT=Book Antiqua][QUOTE=The13thMan][COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic] McDonalds! We're going to McDonalds, grwaaaahaaaa!?!?!!!! That was my response whenever my mom told us we'd get to eat out. But as a grew older we started going out to fast food joints less and less and we eventually stopped altogether for home cooked meals and eventually some health food, thanx to my dad. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE] To me, McDonald's now tastes like absolutely nothing. The only times I eat it is basically when I'm forced to because my sister (whose 24) wants Happy meal toys. :rolleyes: Anyhoo, Maybe it's because of the time change, so I'm uber sleepy, but I just realised that maybe [I]we[/I] think the whole health craze food tastes bad. But, how do we know that with the generation before us, their food tasted better, but then they changed it, so they thought it tasted bad, but we thought it tasted good? :animestun I can understand taking out or cutting down on the transfats in food. But what I don't understand is the way that they just forced it upon us! The man's trying to keep us down! :animeswea Anyways, I think that companies are just trying to save on money by putting less sugar in stuff. It's like I'm paying for less sugar and being bamboozled! And now some foods lost that zing that it used to have. But the most junk food I eat is candy and Wendy's (which I never had in awhile...) I think maybe I'm just unconsciously eating healthy because of the whole subliminal messages. Plus, with less sugar and less artificial stuff, makes me not want to eat junk food because it really doesn't appeal to me anymore.[/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy251 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I find it funny that people complain about food becoming safer to ingest in order to improve their overall health. These trans fats that are being removed are toxins that the body is not meant to digest. Trans fats can clog your arteries and lead to heart problems at a very early age. However, if you decide to cut them out of your diet completely, the effects of the trans fats that have been ingested throughtout your life can be reversed. I'm glad they've been removed from a variety of foods because I want to protect my body from substances that can harm me just to preserve the shelf life of a product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The13thMan Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 [QUOTE=celestialcharm][COLOR=DarkOrchid][FONT=Book Antiqua] I can understand taking out or cutting down on the transfats in food. But what I don't understand is the way that they just forced it upon us! The man's trying to keep us down! :animeswea Anyways, I think that companies are just trying to save on money by putting less sugar in stuff. It's like I'm paying for less sugar and being bamboozled! And now some foods lost that zing that it used to have. But the most junk food I eat is candy and Wendy's (which I never had in awhile...) I think maybe I'm just unconsciously eating healthy because of the whole subliminal messages. Plus, with less sugar and less artificial stuff, makes me not want to eat junk food because it really doesn't appeal to me anymore.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE] [COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Century Gothic]They are not forcing anything on you. That's a huge misconception. You still have the choice to eat total trash. You can kill yourself however you like. Walk into a food store and just look around you, the ratio of health food to junk food is still extremely low. [/FONT][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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